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Gojira69
08-11-05, 07:03 PM
Try this one... when the Jihadists claim the foreign US troops are "crusaders" they are accurately describing the role being played out by our troops!

Here's what I mean.

We've been so perverted in our OWN understanding of the history of Western civilization that we are screwy in our understanding of what the Crusades were about. For the most part, the Crusades were a response to the Jihad of Islam.

Since the 7th century when the founder and messenger of Islam started cutting off heads to expand Islam over more and more territory, Muslim hegemony had continued fairly unabated. The Crusaders, expressing their purposes in the religious verbiage of their time and culture, were essentially proposing to prevent the Muslim expansion. The Crusade was a response to Jihad. The crusade was purposed to stop the Muslim Jihad. One could state it in this way, the Crusades were in fact counter-Crusades whose purpose was an answer to the Muslim one.

Today Muslim extremists have renewed their Crusade, er Jihad against the world, in their eyes those who resist their expansion are fulfilling the same purpose as the original Crusaders and that's why they can accurately call us by that moniker.

In the West, unlike the Muslims, We don't have an appreciation of what the Crusades were mainly about; their main purpose was to stop Muslim expansion, and in that they were successful. As for me, I appreciate this aspect of Western history. Because of the Crusades I do not pray toward Mecca.

1,000 years of Jihad and 600 years of Crusade came to an end on September 11, 1697:

http://www.schismata.com/html/zenta.html

OldDude
08-11-05, 07:17 PM
I wasn't aware of that.

Add to it the Moorish conquest of Spain in 711, and Spain's struggle to take back it's land from the 11th century to a final defeat of the Moors in 1492, that's a long time that Europe has been resisted Islamic invasion. Wonder why they gave up.

So, nearly 1000 years of Jihad to oppose. I guess the War on Terror won't be over next year.

DVD Polizei
08-11-05, 07:21 PM
9/11 is also an Irish date. 9-11-1297, actually.

Rockmjd23
08-11-05, 07:24 PM
9/11 is also an Irish date. 9-11-1297, actually.
Don't you mean scottish date? If you are referring to William Wallace.

Lemdog
08-11-05, 07:43 PM
9/11 is also an Irish date. 9-11-1297, actually.

:jawdrop:

VinVega
08-12-05, 08:34 AM
I thought the Crusades were in response to the Muslims taking Jerusalem? :hscratch:

Europe didn't seem to care as a whole when the Moors took over south Spain and they didn't care afterwards when the Ottoman Empire took over Greece and the Balkins.

nemein
08-12-05, 09:11 AM
I think Jerusalem just became the focal point/rally cry. In general I believe the Crusades were in the response to the expansion of Islam as much as trying to quell some of the infighting in the Christian church at the time (the old let's stop fighting each other and beat up on the "greater threat" philosophy).

Matt Millheiser
08-12-05, 05:55 PM
Anyone who doesn't realize that the Crusades were little more than a golden opportunity for the Western church to make a serious power grab for the Eastern Orthodox church's territory (in the guise of phony "we must free the Holy Land from heathens" altruism) is just deluding him- or herself.

Ranger
08-12-05, 06:08 PM
More terrorists just major in Western Hypocrisy.

DodgingCars
08-12-05, 09:36 PM
Anyone who doesn't realize that the Crusades were little more than a golden opportunity for the Western church to make a serious power grab for the Eastern Orthodox church's territory (in the guise of phony "we must free the Holy Land from heathens" altruism) is just deluding him- or herself.

I actually don't know about this part of history. Can you explain this in more detail?

Mordred
08-12-05, 11:30 PM
Anyone who doesn't realize that the Crusades were little more than a golden opportunity for the Western church to make a serious power grab for the Eastern Orthodox church's territory (in the guise of phony "we must free the Holy Land from heathens" altruism) is just deluding him- or herself.Actually that's partly true. The first crusade (I'm not gonna bother looking up people and dates) was originally brought about by a plea for help from the Eastern Orthodox church to the west, to help them defend their lands against the muslim invaders. The West's motives originally were good (at least that's my interpretation) but by the 2nd crusade it started to turn and became about grabbing the land for themselves. Later crusades sacked Constantinople (the seat of Eastern Orthodox church) and pretty much all the crusaders, even from the beginning, were more than happy to kill just as many of their Eastern brothers as they did Muslims.

Quite an interesting time in church history.