How Does R1 A Very Long Engagement compare with French R2?
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How Does R1 A Very Long Engagement compare with French R2?
I can't seem to find a definitive answer one way or the other about this. I have searched here and on DVDBeaver for some comparisons but can't seem to find anything. I assume they are pretty much the same, but was wondering about their picture/sound quality mostly. Do they have the same extras?
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I have both the R2 and the R1 (I help run an import shop). I can look at them, but other than personal opinion I don't know how I could give you a definate answer. Do you have a suggestion or tool I can use to offer you stats? Would you like me to take a few screen caps?
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
so which one is it...I was going to reply to your Amelie thread....now I see you are asking a different question .
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And for splatti (or anyone for that matter that would care to do so), screen caps would be nice. And are the extras the same on both...Thanks again....
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Originally Posted by AmonTwin
I can't seem to find a definitive answer one way or the other about this. I have searched here and on DVDBeaver for some comparisons but can't seem to find anything. I assume they are pretty much the same, but was wondering about their picture/sound quality mostly. Do they have the same extras?
Well, I have to say the French 2 disc CE blows the USA 2 discer out of the water.
Only because it's French though
Seriously, the French image is beautiful and the DTS adds to that wonderfully.
I have just taken a look at the Warner R1 and it has a very nice image too. I don't have time to compare closely (I couldn't possibly sit through the film again so close to the last viewing anyway) but unless you want the DTS I can't imagine the need for the French set.
I don't see any difference with the extras. I will check later but I don' think there is subtitles on the [French] commentary on the French 2 disc but they are on the USA 2 disc. Everything else seems subtitled. I'm not willing to sit through everything to check though. So, if you want the subs on the commentary stick with the USA release.
Some info on the set here
All releases are through Warner so I'd not expect too much image difference.
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Incidentally, if you're wondering why Warner have DTS in France and Japan but not in the US...
When DTS was doing very poorly (ie almost out of business) Spielberg and numerous other people bailed the company out and there was some sort of fall out where Warner USA would not support the format.
I don't recall the exact going ons but I'm sure someone will.
When DTS was doing very poorly (ie almost out of business) Spielberg and numerous other people bailed the company out and there was some sort of fall out where Warner USA would not support the format.
I don't recall the exact going ons but I'm sure someone will.
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unless you want the DTS I can't imagine the need for the French set.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Plus, the French disc has PAL speedup, which negates any advantages to DTS.
NTSC has speed up too. Do you notice that? You must.
Since the disc has very high marks for image and sound everywhere it's obvious there's no problem.
Lots of [closed] threads on this topic so I'm can only conclude you are playing silly games Josh Z.
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I took some screen caps but I forgot the CD at home this morning upon leaving for work. Here is what I found but I will warn everyone I'm not a DVD reviewer by any means so bear with me.
Settings; Using Windows XP standard setting (with the exception of Japanese font sets) I used DGMPGDec and saved BMP file. I did my best to capture 3 shots, each in the same part of the film. I may be off by 1 or 2 seconds (I never really used DGMPGDec before so I used the scroll bar to move to my frame) but for the most part I captured the same part on both English and French discs.
Since I can't actually post the shots until tonight, here is my high level observation. Feel free to correct me. lol
The NTSC disc seemed to have *SLIGHTY* lighter colors. A soldiers uniform for example was more of a forest/deep green on the PAL disc where as the NTSC was slightly lighter. Now when I say this you have to have them side by side to notice, so i don't think it's a major issue.
I noticed (this may be expected, I'm sorry for the ignorance) the PAL picture was longer in terms of height by default on the PC. The picture also seemed every so slight sharper, but that may been a result of the length of the picture. I assume this is because PAL by nature has supports a higher resolution but I do not know, I am only stating what I saw last night.
Upon putting both discs into my player (I used a Malata 520) the apsect ratios were identical and the picture seemed to be the same. This leads me to beleive the reason the PAL disc had a longer picture (almost like the PAL was 16:9 where the NTSC was 2:35:1) is because of what I stated before, that by nature PAL discs have greater resolution than NTSC discs
I noticed the PAL disc retained the widescreen aspect ratio for the menu's where my NTSC had full screen menu's.
Using a Malata 520 I put them on a 52" TV and there the aspect ratio's and picture's looked identical. The only thing I noticed was that the black areas above and below the picture (I don't have a widescreen TV) were darker on the NTSC disc.
If I did not sit there going back and fourth between discs I don't think I'd be able to tell them apart. In fact, at times I had to verify which disc I had in the player.
Settings; Using Windows XP standard setting (with the exception of Japanese font sets) I used DGMPGDec and saved BMP file. I did my best to capture 3 shots, each in the same part of the film. I may be off by 1 or 2 seconds (I never really used DGMPGDec before so I used the scroll bar to move to my frame) but for the most part I captured the same part on both English and French discs.
Since I can't actually post the shots until tonight, here is my high level observation. Feel free to correct me. lol
The NTSC disc seemed to have *SLIGHTY* lighter colors. A soldiers uniform for example was more of a forest/deep green on the PAL disc where as the NTSC was slightly lighter. Now when I say this you have to have them side by side to notice, so i don't think it's a major issue.
I noticed (this may be expected, I'm sorry for the ignorance) the PAL picture was longer in terms of height by default on the PC. The picture also seemed every so slight sharper, but that may been a result of the length of the picture. I assume this is because PAL by nature has supports a higher resolution but I do not know, I am only stating what I saw last night.
Upon putting both discs into my player (I used a Malata 520) the apsect ratios were identical and the picture seemed to be the same. This leads me to beleive the reason the PAL disc had a longer picture (almost like the PAL was 16:9 where the NTSC was 2:35:1) is because of what I stated before, that by nature PAL discs have greater resolution than NTSC discs
I noticed the PAL disc retained the widescreen aspect ratio for the menu's where my NTSC had full screen menu's.
Using a Malata 520 I put them on a 52" TV and there the aspect ratio's and picture's looked identical. The only thing I noticed was that the black areas above and below the picture (I don't have a widescreen TV) were darker on the NTSC disc.
If I did not sit there going back and fourth between discs I don't think I'd be able to tell them apart. In fact, at times I had to verify which disc I had in the player.
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One quick correction : When I made the comment
"(almost like the PAL was 16:9 where the NTSC was 2:35:1)"
It was not litteral more than an example of the difference. I beleive the US disc is actually 1:33:1
"(almost like the PAL was 16:9 where the NTSC was 2:35:1)"
It was not litteral more than an example of the difference. I beleive the US disc is actually 1:33:1
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Originally Posted by splattii
One quick correction : When I made the comment
"(almost like the PAL was 16:9 where the NTSC was 2:35:1)"
It was not litteral more than an example of the difference. I beleive the US disc is actually 1:33:1
"(almost like the PAL was 16:9 where the NTSC was 2:35:1)"
It was not litteral more than an example of the difference. I beleive the US disc is actually 1:33:1
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Ignore my findings then. As I mentioned I am far from a pro at this. I tried to find some stats quickly last night, but I would hate to mislead anyone. I can post the screenshots if anyone still wants them. I couldn't have messed those up because all I did was put in the disc, go to the chapter and hit "save as BMP". In two of the three shots (one is a spiral staircase, the other in a bunker) the PAL disc was a little sharper than the NTSC. The last shot was too close to call. The difference wasn't great by any means however.
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know why the playback software on the PC offered different default window sized for the PAL vs NTSC disc?
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know why the playback software on the PC offered different default window sized for the PAL vs NTSC disc?
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Do you own the French set? Of course you don't.
NTSC has speed up too. Do you notice that? You must.
NTSC has speed up too. Do you notice that? You must.
NTSC does not have speed-up. 3:2 pulldown ensures that NTSC video runs at the same speed as the original 24fps film source.
I'm not a PAL-hater, and I'm sure the French disc sounds fine. But if someone is going out of their way to import a foreign copy specifically for better sound quality, they should be aware that the PAL speed-up negates any sonic advantages that DTS might otherwise provide over a DD 5.1 NTSC copy.
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Yes, you've not seen the disc.
If someone was intending to buy the disc I would refer them to my comments (I have the French set) or to the multiple reviews saying it's a great set.
That has to be better than someone's uneducated opinion or large paint strokes quasi-technical analysis on something they've not heard or seen.
If someone was intending to buy the disc I would refer them to my comments (I have the French set) or to the multiple reviews saying it's a great set.
That has to be better than someone's uneducated opinion or large paint strokes quasi-technical analysis on something they've not heard or seen.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Windsor
Yes, you've not seen the disc.
If someone was intending to buy the disc I would refer them to my comments (I have the French set) or to the multiple reviews saying it's a great set.
That has to be better than someone's uneducated opinion or large paint strokes quasi-technical analysis on something they've not heard or seen.
If someone was intending to buy the disc I would refer them to my comments (I have the French set) or to the multiple reviews saying it's a great set.
That has to be better than someone's uneducated opinion or large paint strokes quasi-technical analysis on something they've not heard or seen.
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Yes, you've not seen the disc.
If someone was intending to buy the disc I would refer them to my comments (I have the French set) or to the multiple reviews saying it's a great set.
That has to be better than someone's uneducated opinion or large paint strokes quasi-technical analysis on something they've not heard or seen.
If someone was intending to buy the disc I would refer them to my comments (I have the French set) or to the multiple reviews saying it's a great set.
That has to be better than someone's uneducated opinion or large paint strokes quasi-technical analysis on something they've not heard or seen.
PAL does run 4% too fast. Always. There is no circumstance in which a PAL disc will not run 4% too fast. That's the nature of the format. It is unavoidable. I don't need to actually see this disc to know that it will run 4% too fast, anymore than I need to put my hand on a hot stove to know that my skin will burn. It just will.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
PAL does run 4% too fast.
If you want perfection we would all have to watch film on cine projectors.
Originally Posted by Josh Z
I don't need to actually see this disc
Originally Posted by Josh Z
I'm sure the French disc is nice quality.
I think you'd be better sticking with NTSC and maybe not commenting on anything other than that as you have added nothing to this thread and been completely unhelpful to the original poster.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Windsor
How do you mean too fast? Too fast for what? How come 500+ million people using PAL (with it's increased resolution) don't find it 'too fast'? We all know what PAL is and NTSC is far from perfect too. No film to video can be perfect.
This article should clear up any questions.
Last edited by Joe1086; 07-22-05 at 01:15 PM.
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Joe:
With all due respect, Daniel is well aware of the technical nature of PAL (and the way it serves the DVD format). So, your link does not help the ongoing discussion here.
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With all due respect, Daniel is well aware of the technical nature of PAL (and the way it serves the DVD format). So, your link does not help the ongoing discussion here.
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Joe:
With all due respect, Daniel is well aware of the technical nature of PAL (and the way it serves the DVD format). So, your link does not help the ongoing discussion here.
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With all due respect, Daniel is well aware of the technical nature of PAL (and the way it serves the DVD format). So, your link does not help the ongoing discussion here.
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How do you mean too fast? Too fast for what? How come 500+ million people using PAL (with it's increased resolution) don't find it 'too fast'?
However, the fact remains that 99% of people won't even notice that speedup, but it doesn't hurt to mention it.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
No offense, but I don't see from his arguments that Daniel understands that PAL needs to be sped up in order to run on NTSC equipment so that link is certainly warranted. Example:
Either way, I would like to stay out of this discussion.
Ciao,
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AmonTwin, please email me if you think you need any more data and I'll clean up this thread and re-open.
Anyone else, tangential PAL v NTSC discussions soon become very tedious.
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Anyone else, tangential PAL v NTSC discussions soon become very tedious.
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