Anti All-Stars....which starting position players are the worst in MLB?

[wabio]

So the All Star roster is set. Now for the "scrubs" list. Who makes the team? Let's see if we can collectively put together a list of the worst possible starters for the first half of 2005.

I'll start....





AL
-----------------
C......John Buck (KC)
1B.....Travis Lee (TB)
2B.....Mark Bellhorn (BOS)
SS....Juan Uribe (CWS)
3B......Sammy Sosa (BAL)
OF......Richard Hidalgo (TEX)
OF.....Tony Womack (NYY)
OF

SP's(?).....Jose Lima (KC)
RP's(?).....Alan Embree (BOS)


NL
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C......Brad Ausmus (HOU)
1B
2B......Rich Aurilia (CIN)
SS.....Christian Guzman (WAS)
3B......Mike Lowell (FLA)
OF......Chris Burke (HOU)
OF......Tike Redman (PIT)
OF

SP's(?)......Eric Milton (CIN), Claudio Vargas (ARI)
RP's(?)......Danny Graves (NYM), Dan Kolb (ATL), LaTroy Hawkins (SFO)

[Elldubtoo]

Is salary a factor?

[twikoff]

i dont guess raul mondesi counts anymore

[wabio]

Is salary a factor?


No. Like for regular All Stars.....it's not a factor.




Don't say Giambi. ;)

[Elldubtoo]

Don't say Giambi. ;)


What are you, a mind reader?!!!!!!!!

[Canadian Bacon]

No. Like for regular All Stars.....it's not a factor.




Don't say Giambi. ;)
Giambi, Jeter,Bernie Williams, A-Rod, who am I leaving out?

[Elldubtoo]

Giambi, Jeter,Bernie Williams, A-Rod, who am I leaving out?


The pitchers...


Brown, Mussina, Pavano, etc.

[Jericho]

Brad Ausmus should basically have a spot reserved for him on a team like this

[wabio]

Brad Ausmus should basically have a spot reserved for him on a team like this


sounds good to me. :)

[Third Baseman]

Rich Aurilia [2B, NL]

[wabio]

Rich Aurilia [2B, NL]


Hmmm....you don't think Junior Spivey is more qualified?

[GuessWho]

The Lakers :lol:

[Third Baseman]

Hmmm....you don't think Junior Spivey is more qualified? Nah, Spivey knows how to get on base and he isn't an ass. :)

Both can make it thou, one can backup.

[nickdawgy]

The Lakers :lol:

Man, the haters aren't even trying anymore.

[coladar]

I'm not sure how Vargas has done since he's been in Arizona a while now. But when he was with the Nat's, god was he horrible. And I was curious after the Nat's dumped him on Arizona, and watched his first start with them. The second inning the score was already something like 9 to 0. If he isn't coaching little league by now, he has to be a contender for worst SP.

*edit* Holy f'ing shit. I went on the Diamondback's site after posting this out of curiousity. I see he's pitching their next game on their main page. Then I see his ERA. 7.78. Holy shit. He's still pitching, and he's got a 7.78 ERA? ... Yeah, I think he wins the SP spot for the NL.

If you don't believe me, click on this... http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?playerID=282567&statType=2 He had a 14.29 ERA in one game! And the game before that, a 10.80 ERA. The game after that? 11.74.

How the hell could any team have this guy still starting? Did Vargas assasinate all the other Diamondback pitchers to remain in the starting rotation? I pity you Diamondback fans for having to put up with this loser.

[Third Baseman]

Probally cause he struck out 8 in 6.2 IP while only giving up 3 ER and then striking out 4 in 5 IP while giving up 2 ER in his last two starts .. plus he's 3-0 in his last three starts. ;)

[mautos]

I'm not sure how Vargas has done since he's been in Arizona a while now. But when he was with the Nat's, god was he horrible. And I was curious after the Nat's dumped him on Arizona, and watched his first start with them. The second inning the score was already something like 9 to 0. If he isn't coaching little league by now, he has to be a contender for worst SP.

*edit* Holy f'ing shit. I went on the Diamondback's site after posting this out of curiousity. I see he's pitching their next game on their main page. Then I see his ERA. 7.78. Holy shit. He's still pitching, and he's got a 7.78 ERA? ... Yeah, I think he wins the SP spot for the NL.

If you don't believe me, click on this... http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?playerID=282567&statType=2 He had a 14.29 ERA in one game! And the game before that, a 10.80 ERA. The game after that? 11.74.

How the hell could any team have this guy still starting? Did Vargas assasinate all the other Diamondback pitchers to remain in the starting rotation? I pity you Diamondback fans for having to put up with this loser.
wow you've really got something against the guy don't you? Ted Lilly has a 5.6 something ERA right now, and he's won like 5 of his last 6 decisions...and he's pitched quite well. Maybe Vargas is still working down an inflated early season ERA, who knows...

[Jericho]

ooooh, I remembered another good one, RP Travis Harper, Devil Rays

He actually was solid in 2003 and 2004, but has allowed 41 ER in 45.3 innings for an ERA of 8.14! It was actually above nine until just recently. How you can be that bad and still remain in the majors as a RP is pretty difficult. I wonder what the record is for most ERs by a reliever in a season is. Because if you suck enough, you usually lose your job.

[Third Baseman]

Can't forget Danny Graves! :D

[neo247]

Bellhorn, Millar, Mueller, Nixon, Foulke, Schilling, Embree.............who did I leave out?

[twikoff]

Dan Kolb has got to be #1 on the NL RP list

[raven56706]

Kirk Reuter.... he sucks

[Mordred]

I think Richard Hidalgo deserves consideration for AL RF.

Batting .207 with a .281 OBP. He does have 13 HR and 35 RBIs, but 8 of those HR came when he got hot for a couple weeks in May and raised his average from .167 to .240. He's been back to sucking ever since.

[wabio]

I'll put Hidalgo in until we can think of somebody worse.

[Elldubtoo]

wabio,
please make updates and add Giambi

[Mordred]

AL Catcher: John Buck, KC - .227 BA, .265 OBP, 6 HR, 20 RBI, 49 K, .620 OPS
My other pick would be Miguel Oliva of Seattle, but he lost the starting job to Pat Borders last month.

AL 1B: Travis Lee, TB - .235 BA, .317 OBP, 2 HR, 19 RBI, .647 OPS
I know he's not the fan favorite like Giambi, but man does he suck for a 1B.

[Third Baseman]

NL Starting Pitchers:

Eric Milton: 4-9, 7.20 ERA
Ramon Ortiz: 4-6, 6.59 ERA

[Goat3001]

Add either Bret Boone or Mark Belhorn at second base.

[devilshalo]

Thome 1B :( This season at least. My only big bat on my fantasy team...
Beltran CF :( Another one of my busts right now... hoping he can turn it around after the All Star break..

[wabio]

Remember the list isn't permanent, if you find a player that is...... worse .....than somebody listed; let me know.

[El Scorcho]

Can't we just list the entire Kansas City Royals roster and close this thread?

[wabio]

Can't we just list the entire Kansas City Royals roster and close this thread?


Royals have Sweeney, Emil Brown, and Mike MacDougal.

So the answer is. No. ;)



I will add Jose Lima though.

[El Scorcho]

NL gaps to fill:

1B: JT Snow (.287/2/19) -- we're counting offense only right?
3B: Mike Lowell (.224/3/32) or David Bell (.253/5/29)
OF: Austin Kearns (.224/6/25), sent to minors
OF: Brian Jordan (.244/3/23)
OF: Michael Tucker (.261/3/24)

[wabio]

I need players that are active/everyday players. Nobody on the DL, DFA'd, or benchers. Once I get the roster set......I'm going to have these chumps do a 1 week H2H to see who wins.....errr...I mean....loses. The point is to lose!!!! :D

......I guess I need to take Foulke out now (DL).

[wabio]

Think of this in terms of Omaha Hi-Lo. We are playing the low hand. We want the team who is going to hit the fewest HR's, get the lowest BA, have the highest ERA, etc. :eek:


this should be fun. :D

[Mordred]

NL LF - Chris Burke, Hou - .239 BA, .297 OPS, 1 HR, 11 RBI, although he's currently got a 10 game hit streak going where he gets exactly one hit per game. Might be a risk :lol:

NL CF maybe Tike Redman, Pit - Batting a respectable .275 but only 2 HR and 16 RBI

It's tough to find starting outfielders that really suck.

[El Scorcho]

I would also set the criteria that the players need to have over 200 AB or 60 games played.

[Red Dog]

I nominate Sammy Sosa.

[wabio]

wabio,
please make updates and add Giambi


Don't look now, but Giambi has hit 4 homers in the last 3 games. :eek:


I'm looking for players who've hit maybe 4 homers in the last 3 months. :D

[Third Baseman]

NL gaps to fill:

1B: JT Snow (.287/2/19) -- we're counting offense only right?
3B: Mike Lowell (.224/3/32) or David Bell (.253/5/29)
OF: Austin Kearns (.224/6/25), sent to minors
OF: Brian Jordan (.244/3/23)
OF: Michael Tucker (.261/3/24)
Austin Kearns... no... wasn't starting everyday, and was undeservingly sent down. He's killing the ball in triple A. .. JT Snow... .362 OBP, Tucker .759 OPS... there are worst candidates out there. DENIED BITCH!


Corey Patterson, Steve Finley, Jason Phillips [for 1b]

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

I watch the Cubs everyday and would have to go with Corey Patterson. .270 OBP, 82K's in 82 Games, 24 RBI's, will swing at any pitch within 10 feet of home plate.

Manager: Dusty Baker. For his persistance in putting Corey in the lead off spot (finally came to his senses on that), not playing Todd Walker consistently, jacking with the batting order everyday, and just being an all around jackass.

[slymer]

Sean Burroughs 3B. Check the stats. Horrible offensive numbers.

[wabio]

I watch the Cubs everyday and would have to go with Corey Patterson. .270 OBP, 82K's in 82 Games, 24 RBI's, will swing at any pitch within 10 feet of home plate.


Patterson was sent to triple-A yesterday. Thus he's not eligible to play on our team. :p

[El Scorcho]

Austin Kearns... no... wasn't starting everyday, and was undeservingly sent down. He's killing the ball in triple A. .. JT Snow... .362 OBP, Tucker .759 OPS... there are worst candidates out there. DENIED BITCH!


Corey Patterson, Steve Finley, Jason Phillips [for 1b]

OBP and OPS are not registered categories for a 5x5 H2H matchup.

And Kearns was sent down because he sucks.

[wabio]

the AL roster so far seems a lot stronger than the NL. If we want the AL to win, we must "dummy down" the lineup. :D

[El Scorcho]

NL is full of pitchers parks and pitchers that bat 9th.

AL has DH's and hitters parks.

You'd expect the AL to be better :)

[Deftones]

I'm not sure how Vargas has done since he's been in Arizona a while now. But when he was with the Nat's, god was he horrible. And I was curious after the Nat's dumped him on Arizona, and watched his first start with them. The second inning the score was already something like 9 to 0. If he isn't coaching little league by now, he has to be a contender for worst SP.

*edit* Holy f'ing shit. I went on the Diamondback's site after posting this out of curiousity. I see he's pitching their next game on their main page. Then I see his ERA. 7.78. Holy shit. He's still pitching, and he's got a 7.78 ERA? ... Yeah, I think he wins the SP spot for the NL.

If you don't believe me, click on this... http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?playerID=282567&statType=2 He had a 14.29 ERA in one game! And the game before that, a 10.80 ERA. The game after that? 11.74.

How the hell could any team have this guy still starting? Did Vargas assasinate all the other Diamondback pitchers to remain in the starting rotation? I pity you Diamondback fans for having to put up with this loser.

No, you are looking at this information the wrong way. He had a 10+ ERA when coming to the Dbacks. He has since lowered it to 7 something. Since he's been put into the starting roll, he's won all the games he's started, except last night, but it was an 8 inning, 1 run gem. He's been doing fantastically.

[gilbertr76]

3B......Sammy Sosa (BAL)
You can't fault Sosa too much for his sub-par season. It must be difficult going to the other league AND being forced to learn a new position...

[Third Baseman]

OBP and OPS are not registered categories for a 5x5 H2H matchup.

And Kearns was sent down because he sucks.
Thanks for your ignorance.

[Elldubtoo]

the AL roster so far seems a lot stronger than the NL. If we want the AL to win, we must "dummy down" the lineup. :D


That's because you've refused to put in any Yankee besides Womack. -rolleyes-

[Mordred]

Did this plan die? I was looking forward to the results.

[wabio]

I was going to start on Monday since this week is only a half week.


Anybody have any final recommendations? There's still a bunch of positions open.

[Mano]

I made my additions or substitutions in bold. As far as I know everyone I listed is healthy and they play pretty regularly (save for Womack, and Nomo who just got designated for assignment). Enjoy!

AL
-----------------
C......Toby Hall (TB)
1B.....Travis Lee (TB)
2B.....Mark Bellhorn (BOS)
SS....Juan Uribe (CWS)
3B.....Aaron Boone (CLE)
OF......Richard Hidalgo (TEX)
OF.....Tony Womack (NYY)
OF......Sammy Sosa (BAL)

SP's.....Jose Lima (KC), Sidney Ponson (BAL), Zack Greinke (KC), Joel Piñeiro (SEA), Hideo Nomo (TB)
RP's.....Alan Embree (BOS), Travis Harper (TB), Steve Kline (BAL)


NL
-----------------
C......Chris Snyder (ARI)
1B......Hee-Seop Choi (LA)
2B......Aaron Miles (COL)
SS.....Christian Guzman (WAS)
3B......Sean Burroughs (SD)
OF......Chris Burke (HOU)
OF......Jayson Werth (LA)
OF......Jeff Ellison (SF)

SP's......Eric Milton (CIN), Claudio Vargas (ARI), Jason Jennings (COL), Vincente Padilla (PHI), Ramón Ortiz (CIN)
RP's......Danny Graves (NYM), Dan Kolb (ATL), LaTroy Hawkins (SFO)

[wabio]

Anyone else with suggestions?

[kenbuzz]

National:
C - Bennett (Wash)
1B - Delgado (Fla)
2B - Durham (SF)
SS - Barnes (Col)
3B - Glaus (Ariz)
OF - Ellison (SF)
OF - Dunn (Cin)
OF - Guillen (Wash)

American:
C - Zaun (Tor)
1B - Broussard (Cle)
2B - Soriano (Tex)
SS - Renteria (Bos)
3B - Cuddyer (Min)
OF - Brown (KC)
OF - Anderson (Ana)
OF - Dye (CWS)

[El Scorcho]

Thanks for your ignorance.

Thanks for your blind allegiance.

He hits for low average, strikes out almost as much as Adam Dunn, and has 20 HR power. All for a corner outfielder -- a position that is supposed to be a high offense position. Not to mention he's as fragile as Griffey.