Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi with the lightsaber
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Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi with the lightsaber
I was thinking about this the other day. Call me crazy but Obi-Wan has:
1. Defeated Darth Maul when he was an apprentice
2. Lost to Dooku, however didn't lose any limbs
3. Defeated General Grievious
4. Defeated Anakin Skywalker
Anytime I get in these nerdy debates I always proclaim Obi-Wan as the greatest Jedi fighter. I still give props to Darth Maul as the greatest Sith. Love to have seen a Anakin/Maul fight.
1. Defeated Darth Maul when he was an apprentice
2. Lost to Dooku, however didn't lose any limbs
3. Defeated General Grievious
4. Defeated Anakin Skywalker
Anytime I get in these nerdy debates I always proclaim Obi-Wan as the greatest Jedi fighter. I still give props to Darth Maul as the greatest Sith. Love to have seen a Anakin/Maul fight.
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I would say Darth Sidious wasn't too bad too as a fighter. Yes, he technically lost to Mace Windu, but he destroyed those other jedi arresting him.
And yeah, I have to agree with you, Obi-Wan is the greatest jedi fighter. I'm sure many people will be voting for Yoda, though.
And yeah, I have to agree with you, Obi-Wan is the greatest jedi fighter. I'm sure many people will be voting for Yoda, though.
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The ROTS novelization lists Obi-Wan as the only master of the most basic, defensive lightsaber posture that is used to introduce younglings to swordplay.
Last edited by silentbob007; 05-27-05 at 10:28 AM.
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Originally Posted by GuessWho
Simply put, Ben is the only Jedi in the films to kill a Sith in combat.
Dooku's death wasn't combat, that was just an execution.
Dooku's death wasn't combat, that was just an execution.
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hard to say... there is no question that ROTS changed how I felt about Obiwans bad-ass factor. He definitely rocks. Still, it is worth noting that Dooku beats him twice... the only reason Dooku doesn't kill him either time is someone else saves his butt. Additionally, in RotS Vader basically does a suicide charge in his rage, thats why he loses, not because of mad Obi skills. In ANH Vader pays him back.
I know he's not a Jedi, but I think the emporer is the ultimate bad azz. Him "losing" to Mace was his way of getting Anakin over to the dark side. I don't believe for a minute that Mace "beat" him. He absolutely slaughtered the 2 master jedi that arrive with Mace... they both die in like 2 seconds, even tho its 3 Jedi masters vs one sith. The emporer didn't seem to have a problem with Yoda either.
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I know he's not a Jedi, but I think the emporer is the ultimate bad azz. Him "losing" to Mace was his way of getting Anakin over to the dark side. I don't believe for a minute that Mace "beat" him. He absolutely slaughtered the 2 master jedi that arrive with Mace... they both die in like 2 seconds, even tho its 3 Jedi masters vs one sith. The emporer didn't seem to have a problem with Yoda either.
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Originally Posted by jekbrown
The emporer didn't seem to have a problem with Yoda either.
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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Excuse me? Yoda gave as good as he got. That fight was more like a 14 round Ali-Frasier fight.
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I still give props to Darth Maul as the greatest Sith.
He is probably the weakest of the sith. I don't even remember him using the force in TPM. He just jumped around and tried to look scary. He's the Star Wars equivalent of the T1000; he has a menacing appearance, but when you think about it, he only has one type of attack.
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If you're the type into the EU then this wikipedia page explains it all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_f...htsaber_combat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_f...htsaber_combat
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Obi-Wan is good maybe even great, but I question his action towards the end of the movie. He doesn't want to kill Anakin, but he knows he has to. But rather than kill Anakin (which would have made Ep's IV - VI never happen) he lectures him as Ani is suffering a fate worse than death. The honorable and Jedi thing to do would have been to take Ani out of his misery. Because he didn't Obi-Wan is not the G.O.A.T.
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But rather than kill Anakin (which would have made Ep's IV - VI never happen) he lectures him as Ani is suffering a fate worse than death. The honorable and Jedi thing to do would have been to take Ani out of his misery. Because he didn't Obi-Wan is not the G.O.A.T.
Well, episode 4-6 would have happened. Palpatine would have found another apprentice I'm sure, and the plans to the deathstar would have still been stolen, so they would have ended up over tattoine, and luke would have been discovered. I mean i gues you could argue that maybe the new apprentice wouldn't have let Luke live, or maybe they would have killed Leia instead of capturing her, but technically it would have happened
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It would have been hard for Palpatine to find another apprentice since he had Anakin and the clone troopers kill all the Jedi. It's not like any Jar Jar can be strong with the force. Episode 4 - 6 would have sucked without Vadar. I guess Palpatine could have searched for Obi-Won and tried to turn him.
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Originally Posted by silentbob007
The ROTS novelization lists Obi-Wan as the only master of the most basic, defensive lightsaber posture that is used to introduce younglings to swordplay.
On another note did Anakin going Mr. Blonde on the younglings at the temple remind anyone of that arguement on "How many 5 year olds could you fight in a room" we had a while back?
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True. But even more perplexing is that one could argue his Master Qui-Gon was one of the worst Jedis w/a lightsaber. Qui-Gon only onscreen fight was with Darth Maul, and while he matched him equally for a bit, ultimately Maul killed him. His Pad-Wan Obi Wan killed Maul. So was Kenobi perfectly trained at being a Jedi through Qui-Gon or naturally gifted?
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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Excuse me? Yoda gave as good as he got. That fight was more like a 14 round Ali-Frasier fight.
btw, no one seems to mention Dooku in all this best swordsman talk. The guy beats Anakin once, Obi-Wan twice, ties yoda & i assume does some other butt kickin in the clone wars toons.... not a bad record.
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Gotta disagree. Mace Windu was the best with the lightsaber. It was his skills with a lightsaber that defeated Palpatine, the most powerful Sith in all the films, and if it weren't for Anakin he would have won.