I don’t get this! In the cartoons he was so powerful killing like 10 Jedis without breaking a sweat and he was totally destroyed by Obi Wan in ROTS? What’s up with that?
Did Mace crushing his lungs weaken him THAT much?
Also, why couldn’t they repair his lungs the way him and Vader were repaired?
Mopower
05-23-05, 11:55 AM
We don't even know what the hell Grevious is do we? Didn't everyone assume he was a driod since the opening scrawl calls him the "driod general"? It was only until Obi-Wan saw his guts before he shot him that we found out. That's why I think the coughing thing was dumb and should have been left out.
Class316
05-23-05, 11:59 AM
We don't even know what the hell Grevious is do we? Didn't everyone assume he was a driod since the opening scrawl calls him the "driod general"? It was only until Obi-Wan saw his guts before he shot him that we found out. That's why I think the coughing thing was dumb and should have been left out.
I believe he’s a separatist General who was almost killed in combat and then restored the same way Anakin was. That’s why he had no force powers cause he’s not a Jedi.
I think the term “Droid General” simply means that he’s the General of the Droids.
Still, doesn’t explain why/how Obi Wan defeated him so easily when he so easily killed so many Jedis.
QuiGonJosh
05-23-05, 12:01 PM
I heard a idea that he was indeed Sifo-Dyas that is mentioned in AOTC, he told the Kaminoans to create a Clone Army. He was then killed and brought back to life by Dooku or Palpatine, again just a idea.
noonan4224
05-23-05, 12:04 PM
Read Labrynth of Evil. Gives you all the back story on Grevious. However I do agree that it should have been explained better in the movie.
Fok
05-23-05, 12:53 PM
The fact he was killed so easly was pretty sad
chrisih8u
05-23-05, 12:56 PM
I don’t get this! In the cartoons he was so powerful killing like 10 Jedis without breaking a sweat and he was totally destroyed by Obi Wan in ROTS? What’s up with that?
Did Mace crushing his lungs weaken him THAT much?
Also, why couldn’t they repair his lungs the way him and Vader were repaired?
I didnt watch the clone wars cartoon. Is that why he was coughing and wheezing? I wondered why he did that.
Class316
05-23-05, 01:12 PM
yea Mace used the force to collapse his lungs.
CPA-ESQ.
05-23-05, 02:41 PM
Read Labrynth of Evil. Gives you all the back story on Grevious. However I do agree that it should have been explained better in the movie.
Could you take us to School on this topic? I'm curious as to his backstory?
thephantom
05-23-05, 03:29 PM
Could you take us to School on this topic? I'm curious as to his backstory?
Grevious appeared in the Clone Wars animated skits on Cartoon Network. In the original set he shows up near the end, the 18-20th show. Basically his appearance is him kicking the holy shit out of half a dozen Jedi. In the skits he wears a belt with the lightsabers of all the jedi he's killed, and he's got like 10. At on point he's wields 5 sabers at once while balanced on one foot.
Later, in the second series it picks up exactly where it leaves off, and Grevous manages to survive a fight with some previously-establish ultra-elite clone commandos. Throughout the rest of the serious he's a one man wrecking crew who leaves a wake of devestation everywhere he goes, and the only thing that even slows him down is Mace Windu.
I had assumed he'd be recovered from that fight and we'd some badass destruction but overall he was fairly lame. I had forgotten the damage he'd taken from Mace so my perspectives were a little out of line but he still wasn't that impressive.
noonan4224
05-23-05, 03:35 PM
Grevious appeared in the Clone Wars animated skits on Cartoon Network. In the original set he shows up near the end, the 18-20th show. Basically his appearance is him kicking the holy shit out of half a dozen Jedi. In the skits he wears a belt with the lightsabers of all the jedi he's killed, and he's got like 10. At on point he's wields 5 sabers at once while balanced on one foot.
Later, in the second series it picks up exactly where it leaves off, and Grevous manages to survive a fight with some previously-establish ultra-elite clone commandos. Throughout the rest of the serious he's a one man wrecking crew who leaves a wake of devestation everywhere he goes, and the only thing that even slows him down is Mace Windu.
I had assumed he'd be recovered from that fight and we'd some badass destruction but overall he was fairly lame. I had forgotten the damage he'd taken from Mace so my perspectives were a little out of line but he still wasn't that impressive.
I meant that the book talks about who he was before he even became part robot. It went into pretty good depth. I don't remember much of the story off the top of my head, and I'm at work and don't have access to the book. I'll try to refresh myself tonight when I get home.
PopcornTreeCt
05-23-05, 03:57 PM
I don't think he was taken down that easily. The scene was quite long.
Jackskeleton
05-23-05, 04:16 PM
Pretty much the back story is he's species is Omix-patra. Not wanting to get involved in the fighting Dooku made him have a little accident in a ship so that they could transform him into a cyborg and then did a similiar to what Palp did with Anakin to turn him to work with him as an excellent driod general.
Now as to why he was different in Clone Wars. Remember, the production company that was working on clone wars while lucas was working episode III had the same starting info on him, but pretty much didn't know what the other was pretty much doing. The clone wars crew didn't know much of anything other than his look and his sum up. So fighting style and voice was all something tossed up in the air and up for grabs.
To say the least, the Cartoon network crew took him a bit to far in what he could do. But the best way to explain why he got so powered down was because of the lung crushing and the time difference between the events that happen and a lack of ability to fix himself and dooku being dead.
Dooku also did give him new advice on how to fight a Jedi. So that did change up his wild fighting style.
I thought the filmed did a great job in showing him off. Cocky and all. It seemed like a fighting end. No sabers left to battle with, he had to move to something else and most of all, why would you want to push another cyborg up that could potentially over shadow Vader who should be the main focus of this film.
The General's purpose was served. he was there to reflect the final aspect of Vader in the prequel trilogy.
In episode I you see the sith bad guy be pure anger and brute hate. In Episode II you see the sith being someone who has that class and excellent regal posture. Very much filled with a pressence of nobility. In episode III you see the sith villian (well, he's not sith, but you get the point) being a cyborg. on life support and serving under his master.
All these are aspects of Vader. While by themselves they failed, together in Vader, they make up the ultimate in Sith. So I really liked that aspect of the trilogy. That one of the three isn't enough. But all three together make Vader even more bad ass.
thephantom
05-23-05, 04:19 PM
I don't think he was taken down that easily. The scene was quite long.
He got totally punked by Obi-wan the whole scene. It was long because he had 4 arms that had to be cut off, then he ran like a chickenshit. There was no reason to assume he'd be a good fight anyway, all we really saw from him was running and getting his arms chopped off. Anyone who didn't know who Grievous was, that's all they saw of him, I'd imagine those folks weren't too impressed. He's just a glorified bad guy red shirt.
After having watched him in the cartoons, he should have been able to beat Obi-Wan's ass with one foot while playing himself in a game of Splinter Cell on X-Box live.
beginner's luck
05-23-05, 04:37 PM
Since he sounds like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, I think Grievious is just Triumph in a robot's body, brought back after some celebrities got angry at his insults and beat him to a pulp. The cough = emphysema from all those cigars.
On a different note, Grievious "heart" didn't seem very well protected.. Obi-Wan just pried open his chest plates with his bare hands in 1-2 secs and it was exposed.
Jackskeleton
05-23-05, 04:51 PM
A jedi should be a bit more powerful. So that prying open could have taken some engery in itself.
He's just a glorified bad guy red shirt.
Well.. that's what he's suppose to be.
thephantom
05-23-05, 04:57 PM
Yeah I know, I'm just saying he went out like any other random droid, they just stretched it out over 5 mins. Nothing he did seemed impressive. He pulls out 4 lightsabers and I'm like "oh yeah, here we go!" Whack! Obi-Wan cuts an arm off. Then 15 seconds later he runs again(and keeps running for 5 mins). The other glorified red shirts in the series(Darth Maul, Jango Fett) at least had great fights at one point or another.
Giantrobo
05-23-05, 05:06 PM
Didn't someone post a comic scon here showing The general's origin? His skeleton was carved from the bone of some creature and he was resentful and embarassed to have been brought back and made into a what he had become.
IanH
05-23-05, 05:15 PM
The fact that he was a coward made him seem....more human.
I don't know much outside the SW canon (6 movies). But I thought he was an interesting character besides the usual brave heroes and evil bad guys.
Think of it this way. Grievous' fight/death was a lot more exciting than Boba Fett's ignoble death (which was purely accident) in ROTJ. Now, that was disappointing and anticlimactic end for a character that was really built up in the minds of fans.
Ketamine
05-23-05, 05:19 PM
He didn't need to be quite as powerful as in the cartoon, but if he took out a few jedi in the movie before Obi-Wan got to him, it would have elevated both his character and Obi-Wan. I said this in a previous post that all they needed to do was have 4 jedi go to save Palpatine in the beginning instead of just two (Palp is pretty important after all). Obi-Wan and Anakin go after Palp while the other two look for Grievous/Dooku. The other 2 jedi find Grievous, we get to see him be a badass and kill the jedi. Now even people who haven't read the book or seen the cartoon know that he is a bad mo-fo jedi killer by some means other than the fact that he collects lightsabers. Anakin and Obi-Wan fight Dooku and kill him and save Palpatine. Then end up with a quick showdown against Grievous where he ends up taking off thinking the ship is going down with the jedi on it. Flash to later in the movie, make Obi-Wan and his fight a little closer, but when Obi-Wan beats him, it actually means a lot more and shows how skilled Obi-Wan really is. It really wouldn't have been hard, would have only added 5 minutes to the movie but made a lot of people happier (who wouldn't want one more lightsaber duel?), and elevated all the characters involved. Grievous was one area that I was really disappointed in after watching this movie. Other than a couple other minor things, I did like ROTS but IMHO, Lucas and crew dropped the ball on this part.
IanH
05-23-05, 05:27 PM
Obi-Wan was a Jedi with skills above the avg. Jedi. Not just better than avg. but possibly equal to or even more powerful than Mace Windu. We saw that he could really step up to the plate and even channel his "anger" (which a Jedi isn't supposed to do) at times. Like the time when he defeated Darth Maul when he was only a Padwan. Even Qui-Gon was beaten by Darth Maul. But after Qui-Gon is killed he emerged from the laser blast shield like a Jedi possessed. And of course he beats Anakin as well.*
When Obi-Wan is really pissed and takes thing personally he can be deceptively dangerous. Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan did that really well. Thats why Obi-Wan may be my favorite character in the entire SW series. Lots of subtle sides to this guy. He just squeeked ahead of Han Solo, Vader, and R2.
*Possible spoiler: Darth Maul had the high ground and ObiWan held the "low ground" in TPM. In ROTS Obi-Wan held the high ground while Anakin held the "low". Both times Obi-Wan knew what to do. Anakin tried to do a similar trick that Obi-Wan did when he defeated Darth Maul. But Obi-Wan saw it coming and was able to defeat Anakin. He warned him not to do it....................... Or maybe that was Obi-Wan's way of goading Anakin to try it. Yeah, try it you bastard. :saber: :p
SteveGo
05-23-05, 05:35 PM
...Boba Fett's ignoble death (which was purely accident) in ROTJ. Now, that was disappointing and anticlimactic end for a character that was really built up in the minds of fans.
Except that Boba Fett didn't die, he eventually got out of the Sarlac Pit, a pretty cool story actually, it was on one of the books that had a lot of stories compiled in one book. Can't remember the name, but the story had someone talking to Fett while he was in the Sarlac Pit and mentioned that he shared a lot of the same qualities of a jedi.
BizRodian
05-23-05, 05:37 PM
Maybe he was so overly powerful in the cartoon because EVERYONE was overly powerful and over the top in the cartoon.
IanH
05-23-05, 05:39 PM
Except that Boba Fett didn't die, he eventually got out of the Sarlac Pit, a pretty cool story actually, it was on one of the books that had a lot of stories compiled in one book. Can't remember the name, but the story had someone talking to Fett while he was in the Sarlac Pit and mentioned that he shared a lot of the same qualities of a jedi.
See, I guess I'm one of those people who only want to deal with what we see and hear in the 6 movies. Either way Boba Fett was "defeated" in a very ignoble way. Like getting shot by friendly fire or being run over by a supply truck. The movies is where these characters become stars and make their mark for me unfortunately.
HN
05-23-05, 05:45 PM
Except that Boba Fett didn't die, he eventually got out of the Sarlac Pit, a pretty cool story actually, it was on one of the books that had a lot of stories compiled in one book. Can't remember the name, but the story had someone talking to Fett while he was in the Sarlac Pit and mentioned that he shared a lot of the same qualities of a jedi.
Yeah, and Old Yeller was shot with blanks :p
Jackskeleton
05-23-05, 06:51 PM
Ha! Boba fett is dead. simple as that. I'm glad Attack of the Clones killed any of that stupid Fett as a jedi talk that was floating around.
Dr. DVD
05-23-05, 07:13 PM
If you read LOE, you see that while Grievous can be a bad a$$ at times, he commits rather cowardly acts for the most part. It should also be noted that in LOE he does get outsmarted by Mace Windu and knocked off the top of a train. He does manage to take out some Jedi when he gets Palpatine, but he then hops a transport and apparently drives it in a very clumsy manner due to his damage and in the end proves to be a rather weak minded individual.
FWIW, out of all the bad guys everyone makes out to be more than they really are in this series, he really did fare the best. Plus, in the novelization Obi-Wan makes a neat factual statement. After Grievous boasts:"I have been trained in the Jedi Arts by Count Dooku." Obi-Wan responds with: "I trained the man who killed your Master." So it would make sense for Obi-Wan to own him.
Dr. DVD
05-23-05, 07:14 PM
Ha! Boba fett is dead. simple as that. I'm glad Attack of the Clones killed any of that stupid Fett as a jedi talk that was floating around.
Never heard the Fett as Jedi theory, but he ain't dead if you are a true EU reader like myself.
Granted, I pick and choose which EU I will accept as story, but who cares? Let someone believe what they want.
Hollow Man
05-23-05, 07:49 PM
I love Boba Fett more than life itself, but even I have to accept his death. Just don't believe in the Extended Universe stuff.
According to my Collector's Guide, Rob Coleman had a lot of trouble getting George to divulge any information on Grievous, so he just went ahead used the only thing George would give up: he's an "alpha" of Vader - more machine than man (and apparently has a really bad respirator). Anything else you read is EU stuff, which I leave, but others may decide to take.
-HM
mikehunt
05-23-05, 08:34 PM
personally, I felt he was way over the top in the cartoons and just about right in the movie
Dr. DVD
05-23-05, 08:54 PM
personally, I felt he was way over the top in the cartoons and just about right in the movie
Same here. I think LOE and ROTS portrayed about how he should have been.
Class316
05-23-05, 11:12 PM
True that Obi Wan is a powerful Jedi but given that Grievous took out so many Jedi without breaking a sweat he should have been more of a force to be reckoned with. At the bare minimum it should have been BOTH Obi Wan and Anakin to defeat him, not just Obi Wan.
Sir Talos
05-23-05, 11:31 PM
Grievous was a coward just as Mace says, because of his tendancy to flee and save his own skin. Clearly he couldn't have been a complete coward as he was said to have swooped down and capture Palpatine, a very daring move, possible only because of Palpatines cooperation no doubt.
However, In two seperate instances he sends his guard droids to fight for him while he stands back. After they fail he fights just long enough to escape both times. The second time, his duel with Obi-wan, is meant to showcase Obi-wans strength. Still, both he and Grievous take their beating in the fight and Obi-wan only wins because he exposed the heart and resorted to using a blaster, a desperate move.
It seems clear that Grievous was not supposed to seem stronger than a Jedi Master, especially a great Jedi such as Obi-wan. Granted he may have killed Jedi in other instances, but these weren't even important enough to be on screen. The light saber collection is enough evidence. Bottom line, the character of Greivous did not come off was weak, but he inevitably had to die in order to move the plot along.
Jackskeleton
05-23-05, 11:38 PM
but he ain't dead if you are a true EU reader like myself.
Personally, I dislike the majority of the EU. Half of it reads like fan circle jerking. Especially the Boba Fett shit. Worthless.
Dr. DVD
05-24-05, 10:02 AM
Personally, I dislike the majority of the EU. Half of it reads like fan circle jerking. Especially the Boba Fett shit. Worthless.
Well, I will admit that most of it leaves something to be desired. I think I might be jaded in that I only read the EU that is considered the cream of the crop (aka the Zahn trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, LOE, and the novelizations of the movies). I read some of Tales of the Bounty Hunter and while I liked the Boba Fett story, the others left a lot to be desired. IG-88 was the Death Star in ROTJ?!? WTF!?!
In short, seeing as how I have only read one real Boba Fett story in the EU and have read only the alleged good stuff, I guess you're right. What I am trying to say is others might think differently and while I think it okay to say you don't care for it overall, dismissing with a brusque (sp.?) attitude of "worthless" might rub some people the wrong way. Please Jack, be courteous to others fragile opinions!
Staying on topic: I hope they make a reference to Grievous in some future EU taking place after ROTS. Perhaps they could find his armor and put on display in an Imperial Museum.
thephantom
05-24-05, 10:10 AM
personally, I felt he was way over the top in the cartoons and just about right in the movie
There's no one to blame for that but Lucas. Know that thousands of fans(if not more) were going to see this, and having it litterally tie in to the movie down to the very last second(the final shot of Clone Wars 25 is the opening scene of RotS), he should have maintained more creative control. And honestly, what really builds him up was his appearance in the first Clone Wars series. He's scary in the second series but not invincible as he appeared to be in the first one. I mean those three Jedi survive about 10 times longer against him and a squad of his fancy new robots than 6 Jedi in first series.
I should just let this go but it really was my biggest letdown of the movie. In fact, since i already had my Anakin/Padme expectations pretty low, I'd say it was my only real letdown. I just don't think it'd be that hard to replace 5 minutes of him driving around in circles barely escaping with 5 mins of badass dueling. To me the whole sequence was like watching someone trying to swat an annoying fly. You know the fly has no chance and it's just a matter of time, how long do you bother to watch, and is it really all that interesting?
Mr. Cinema
05-24-05, 12:14 PM
Obi-Wan was a Jedi with skills above the avg. Jedi. Not just better than avg. but possibly equal to or even more powerful than Mace Windu. We saw that he could really step up to the plate and even channel his "anger" (which a Jedi isn't supposed to do) at times. Like the time when he defeated Darth Maul when he was only a Padwan. Even Qui-Gon was beaten by Darth Maul. But after Qui-Gon is killed he emerged from the laser blast shield like a Jedi possessed. And of course he beats Anakin as well.
Obi-Wan was the strongest IMO. This guy defeated Darth Maul, Jango Fett, General Grevious, and Anakin in his prime. Impressive.
I guess his losing to Dooku proved how strong he really was.
Ketamine
05-24-05, 12:44 PM
Obi-Wan was the strongest IMO. This guy defeated Darth Maul, Jango Fett, General Grevious, and Anakin in his prime. Impressive.
I guess his losing to Dooku proved how strong he really was.
I thought his battle with Jango was more of a tie than him beating him. Been a while though since I watched AOTC so I could be wrong.
I agree that he is a very powerful jedi, but defeating a powerful on-screen Grievous would have been so much better than him beating a (edit)wimp (guess we can't say the fucking P word ;)) on-screen Grievous. Glad a lot of you liked him in the film. I thought he was weak. It will be interesting to see what my wife thinks about him when she sees it as she has no back knowledge of him or his skills. Another friend who didn't read the books or see the cartoon thought he was a weak character b/c of the way he was portrayed on screen. I guess I like my movie villains powerful and cocky so that when an even more powerful good guy kicks his ass, it is that much sweeter.
Josh H
05-24-05, 01:24 PM
Battle with Jango was a tie definitely.
wmansir
05-24-05, 04:41 PM
I've only seen the movie, never read a EU book and only saw the first Clone Wars cartoon on the night it premiered. And I remember nothing about it.
That said, I though Gen. Grevious was a weak villain. The light saber collection was hardly enough of an indication of his abilities. The average Jedi has been so powered down in the prequels that it seems he could have killed them with a blaster, or some type of trickery. In fact, his comments to Obi-Wan just before they fight makes it sound as if he hadn't ever really fought a jedi in close combat, just some training with Dooku, and the way he gets his ass handed to him backs that up.
H@mmer
05-25-05, 10:16 PM
Of course he was weak in ROTS, he had his chest crushed in the last episode of Clone wars which was IMMEDIATELY before the beginning of ROTS. A couple of hours in between tops, but not nearly enough time to recover
wmansir
05-26-05, 03:17 PM
Padme went from finding out about the pregnancy to giving birth within the span of the movie. At a minimium several months took place between the start of the film and Gievous's showdown with Obi-Wan.
Class316
05-26-05, 03:36 PM
Padme went from finding out about the pregnancy to giving birth within the span of the movie. At a minimium several months took place between the start of the film and Gievous's showdown with Obi-Wan.
Exactly! I'm surprised they couldn't fix Grevious.
The Bus
05-26-05, 03:43 PM
Mace Windu is like 10 regular Jedi and Obi-Wan is like 10 Mace Windus.
That and Obi-Wan only killed him because he had a gun.
Ketamine
05-26-05, 03:46 PM
I agree that the 2nd meeting with Obi-Wan was months, not hours after the injury. I am unhappy with Grievous in the movie, but I guess you could say that when he had his chest crushed, it permanently and severely injured his lungs and they couldn't be fixed with a machine. Sure, Vader seems to have a breathing problem which needed support from his suit to keep him alive but at least in the movies, we see no reason that his lungs were actually injured. Sure it is possible that he had smoke inhalation/noxious fumes injury but really don't think so. Pretty weak (but acceptable) explanation if the lung injury has taken Grievous down a level or two in ability. If that was the reason, they should have at least explained it more in the movie. One little scene with Dooku or someone else where we find out that the bad ass Grievous was mortally wounded by Mace and that he would never be the same again. Instead, we have a guy that was a jedi killer (even if you discount the cartoon extent of his power) who had at least 4 sabers from besting jedi in combat. We see nothing on screen that makes us think that he really had much skill. Again, if it were due to injury, Lucas should have clued in the audience to that fact more than having him wheezing. I think ultimately, it has not worked trying to tie cartoon, video games, etc. into movies with content that is only known by seeing the other media (example: the Matrix sequels).
Ketamine
05-26-05, 03:47 PM
Mace Windu is like 10 regular Jedi and Obi-Wan is like 10 Mace Windus.
That and Obi-Wan only killed him because he had a gun.
Obi-Wan was no Mace Windu, let alone 10 of him.
Class316
05-26-05, 04:01 PM
We don't really know whether or not Mace is better than Obi Wan since we never really saw Mace in a battle. Though he was against Palpatine he still had 3 other Jedi helping him and Palpatine was likely just pretending to lose cause he wanted Anakin to turn.
Ketamine
05-26-05, 04:20 PM
We don't really know whether or not Mace is better than Obi Wan since we never really saw Mace in a battle. Though he was against Palpatine he still had 3 other Jedi helping him and Palpatine was likely just pretending to lose cause he wanted Anakin to turn.
Granted we didn't see it in the movies, but I think it is well know that Mace was 2nd only to Yoda. I think we can take info from starwars.com as fact and it says...
A respected Jedi on par with the venerable Yoda, Mace Windu was a senior member of the Jedi High Council. His wisdom and experience were legendary, and his words carried great weight.
Jackskeleton
05-26-05, 05:20 PM
Padme went from finding out about the pregnancy to giving birth within the span of the movie. At a minimium several months took place between the start of the film and Gievous's showdown with Obi-Wan.
Actually, it was about 6-7 months at the very least since Anakin and Padme last saw each other. So Padme had to be well in her way into the preganacy when Anakin showed up. She was already big. So it wasn't a matter of months but days or weeks at most. Then again, all of the scientist were already dead that helped built him assuming that they are the same folks who got their necks crushed in the clone wars cartoon by anakin. Add in that Dooku is dead and you don't have him doing anymore training and he has little to no support on that end and you see why he was as weak as he was.
DthRdrX
05-26-05, 05:52 PM
1. Boba Fett didn't die in ROTJ. He was swallowed whole and will be digest over ... you get the idea.
2. I find Grevious to be pretty well done in the CW series as well as the movie. Considering they had AOTC, not ROTS, to work with before creating anything I find the Clone War depiction of Mace to be goofy. Amazing that he and a dozen other Jedi seemed helpless at the end of AOTC but in the cartoon series he could have destroyed all of them, with ease!
Ketamine
05-26-05, 05:56 PM
Add in that Dooku is dead and you don't have him doing anymore training and he has little to no support on that end and you see why he was as weak as he was.
Are you saying a couple days or weeks without training would take him from a bad ass jedi killer to a complete wimp that runs from jedi? Injured and weak I can buy, hasn't trained for a couple of days so now weak, I don't see it.
Jackskeleton
05-26-05, 06:03 PM
Yup. Mace himself took out an army of driods in the cartoons. So you can clearly see how the cartoon really made the characters a bit too cartoony in the end.
thephantom
06-03-05, 04:41 PM
Ressurection!
Actually, I just wanted to post this link which may not be good in a few days(I'll update it if that's the case), but it's spot on for this thread. In fact it's spot on for about a dozen threads but I'm not gonna spam it.
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TheNightFlier
06-03-05, 07:30 PM
I'm sure someone here would know. Some guy at work keeps telling me Grievous is in a scene in Episode II. I've never seen him. Is Grievous in EP2 or is my coworker just nuts?
Ketamine
06-03-05, 07:31 PM
Nuts.
TheNightFlier
06-03-05, 07:32 PM
Nuts.
Thank you. He kept telling me he was in the scene where Dooku is talking to all the separatists and army leaders before the arena battle.
Goldberg74
06-03-05, 08:35 PM
The book with the story of Boba chatting with the Sarlac is Tales from Jabba's Palace.
Class316
06-03-05, 10:09 PM
In ESB the Empire was really powerful, but look how they were toned down in ROTJ.
Dr. DVD
06-03-05, 10:28 PM
In ROTS the clonetroopers were rather bad ass. When the stormtroopers took over in the OT they were supposed to be great fighters and marksmen, yet an entire legion of the best of them got owned by a bunch of teddy bears. Go figure.
I don't see why so many people are disappointed with Grievous. He served his purpose and the EU (books and comics) can give you some of him in his glory days like it did with Boba Fett. If you don't buy into EU, well, not really a major loss, but it helps with certain cravings! ;)
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