This is just a vent! :shrug: I love my country and it's people, what I'm tired of is putting things on the back-burner in hopes that someday someone else will resolve it. I'm sure someone will come up with a smart-arse comment and that's fine.... I'm just simply stating how I feel at this present moment.
I'm sick and tired of the way we do things here. I'm tired of letting crazy, sick people off and back into our society to harm again.
If someone murders someone, don't send them to ail for a 6 year term, or even 15. Drop their arses off smack in the middle of Baghdad and let the Iraqi's take care of them. If you rape a person, you should be sent to the really bad parts of India or Africa where they sell children for $5 to have sex with them... take those children out of the equation and give them our rapists instead. Let them see what it feels like. If you steal, you have to be sent into the hearts of Cuba with all of your possessions and be stolen from, beaten and whatever else they want to do to you. If you sell drugs to a child, you should have to live naked in the hell holes of Columbia and work it out with the drug dealers there, only after having your balls sliced in half by the childs parents.
I'm all for having to go to trial to decide on a life sentence to Bagdhad or Iran or China. Or let's start up prison camps again and make these bastards really pay for their crimes.
And another thing - Close down the fricken borders! We currently have over 2 million illegal immigrants in the US. And they are multiplying. They are coming in to bear their children so they will have dual citizinship and be able to work here. They have websites with information on how to get into the country to give birth. There are people moving in to states like California at a rate of 2000 per day, Colorado at 2000 per month, cities like Las Vegas at 2000 a month. In 60 years we will have tripled our population. Where are we going to get the water, the land, the resources to feed all these people? Are we going to sit back and continue to let this happen simply because we want to be the "land of the free"? Where's the free in having to stack on top of each other like in a third world country because there's too many fricken people here and we have no homes for them anymore? No food, no water, no clothes? I don't want my kids to live here having to beg cheat and steal in order to survive another day of their hellish lives.
I'm spent.
Decadance
05-10-05, 10:37 AM
I guess DVDtalk isn't blocked at most high schools.
eXcentris
05-10-05, 10:37 AM
I guess you woudn't be interested in our free subscription to the "Humanitarian Weekly" huh. :)
Cygnet74
05-10-05, 10:41 AM
in a prison where "everyone's a bitch", no one is.
tbird2340
05-10-05, 10:44 AM
Yikes... Someone needs a hug.
melbatoast
05-10-05, 10:44 AM
I guess DVDtalk isn't blocked at most high schools.
Apparently you'd know. Try finding out a little more about the members first before trying to slam. -wink-
scottall
05-10-05, 10:45 AM
It's (http://www.livejournal.com/) the thing to do.
Numanoid
05-10-05, 10:46 AM
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Joe Molotov
05-10-05, 10:46 AM
I'm all for having to go to trial to decide on a life sentence to Bagdhad or Iran or China.
Come on, don't go soft on us now! :lol:
melbatoast
05-10-05, 10:47 AM
So what brought this on was hearing that those poor girls that were found stabbed in Illinois yesterday my have been killed by one of the girl's fathers! What is wrong with people? And last night listening to the statistics in which we are adding to our population by simply letting illegals in to the country, without any checks or balances. I'm truly saddened by all of this. Thinking that I have 3 children who might have to fight just to survive another day.
I usually avoid talks of this nature, but something was bugging me when I woke up this morning.
nickdawgy
05-10-05, 10:48 AM
I guess DVDtalk isn't blocked at most high schools.
That might have been funny had you not been ripping on Mel. She's right, do some research before you ASSume she's some n00b.
Hey, like you!
wendersfan
05-10-05, 10:48 AM
Fascinating.
nickdawgy
05-10-05, 10:49 AM
I'm all for the eye for an eye thing. But what if someone is falsely accused?
melbatoast
05-10-05, 10:51 AM
That's why I still say there needs to be trials. I agree, there are too many innocent people in jail right now. And unfortunately there are some guilty ones that are free.
tbird2340
05-10-05, 10:52 AM
I'm all for the eye for an eye thing. But what if someone is falsely accused?
Well instead of serving life in prison they will just have their balls sliced I guess...
melbatoast
05-10-05, 10:57 AM
Well instead of serving life in prison they will just have their balls sliced I guess...
So you'd be OK with letting some guy out after having raped and murdered your 4 year old daughter?
tbird2340
05-10-05, 11:00 AM
Absolutely not dude.. I actually agree with your whole post.. I should have stated that.
Nonhosonno
05-10-05, 11:00 AM
And another thing - Close down the fricken borders! We currently have over 2 million illegal immigrants in the US. And they are multiplying. They are coming in to bear their children so they will have dual citizinship and be able to work here. They have websites with information on how to get into the country to give birth. There are people moving in to states like California at a rate of 2000 per day, Colorado at 2000 per month, cities like Las Vegas at 2000 a month....
OMG WE CANT DO THAT..DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY 400 DOLLARS FOR AN ORANGE..NOT TO MENTION YOUR LAWN WOULD GET OVERGROWN..YOU KNOW JUST LIKE IN THE 80'S BEFORE UNDOCUMENTED MEXICAN WORKERS CAME TO SAVE US
melbatoast
05-10-05, 11:04 AM
OMG WE CANT DO THAT..DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY 400 DOLLARS FOR AN ORANGE..NOT TO MENTION YOUR LAWN WOULD GET OVERGROWN..YOU KNOW JUST LIKE IN THE 80'S BEFORE UNDOCUMENTED MEXICAN WORKERS CAME TO SAVE US
rotfl
Mopower
05-10-05, 11:04 AM
OMG WE CANT DO THAT..DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY 400 DOLLARS FOR AN ORANGE..NOT TO MENTION YOUR LAWN WOULD GET OVERGROWN..YOU KNOW JUST LIKE IN THE 80'S BEFORE UNDOCUMENTED MEXICAN WORKERS CAME TO SAVE US
At least illegal Mexicans know not to use all caps.
melbatoast
05-10-05, 11:05 AM
Absolutely not dude.. I actually agree with your whole post.. I should have stated that.
:up: :o
JasonF
05-10-05, 11:07 AM
That might have been funny had you not been ripping on Mel. She's right, do some research before you ASSume she's some n00b.
Hey, like you!
Psst -- check out melbatoast's join date and Decadence's join date. One of them is a relative n00b.
Newbies can make good posts and newbies can make crappy, rambling. incoherent posts. Established posters can make good posts and they can make crappy, rambling, incoherent posts. I have my own opinions on where on the spectrum melba's original post lands. I'll keep them to myself except to say that I agree that the story of those two girls who were stabbed to death on Mother's Day is absolutely heartbreaking.
auto
05-10-05, 11:08 AM
Apparently you'd know. Try finding out a little more about the members first before trying to slam. -wink-
I don't think he was actually saying that you are in high school, only that your "opinion" shows a lack of maturity and common sense.
sfsdfd
05-10-05, 11:16 AM
I'm tired of letting crazy, sick people off and back into our society to harm again.
Yes, that's a great idea. Better not step over the line, or you'll just vanish from the country! One strike and you're out! That way, we'll have a happy, secure police state. After all, that concept has worked so well for every other country throughout history.
And another thing - Close down the fricken borders!
Sure! I mean, surely 1,200 miles of razor wire and bricks wouldn't cost that much. When you're running a $4 trillion annual budget, what's another $100 billion or so?
I don't want my kids to live here having to beg cheat and steal in order to survive another day of their hellish lives.
Yeah, and they'd better not, or they'll get shipped off to Cuba or Iraq. I guess that when choosing between starvation and stealing, hunger is a patriotic duty.
Ask not what your country can do for you... because the answer will be disappointing.
- David Stein
Numanoid
05-10-05, 11:17 AM
If someone murders someone, don't send them to ail for a 6 year term, or even 15. Drop their arses off smack in the middle of Baghdad and let the Iraqi's take care of them.I find it interesting that your idea of ultimate punishment is the same thing that the conservative members of the Political Forum call "heroically serving our country". :lol:
nickdawgy
05-10-05, 11:18 AM
Psst -- check out melbatoast's join date and Decadence's join date. One of them is a relative n00b.
Newbies can make good posts and newbies can make crappy, rambling. incoherent posts. Established posters can make good posts and they can make crappy, rambling, incoherent posts. I have my own opinions on where on the spectrum melba's original post lands. I'll keep them to myself except to say that I agree that the story of those two girls who were stabbed to death on Mother's Day is absolutely heartbreaking.
Psst -- I know that, I was being sarcastic. He's just as new as she is.
sfsdfd
05-10-05, 11:19 AM
So you'd be OK with letting some guy out after having raped and murdered your 4 year old daughter?
I'd say that the father of the victim is not in a very good position to be objective or reasonable.
- David Stein
melbatoast
05-10-05, 11:35 AM
It is estimated that there are currently over 20 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., with around half of them coming from Mexico. There is also a 7-billion dollar people-smuggling operation originating in Asia that is contributing to the problem. Illegal immigrants have taken over many blue collar jobs and driven down the salary for such positions.
Beyond the economic damage, resources such as water will become increasingly scarce in many locales, due to the burdens of overpopulation.
If we do nothing, we commit our children and all living things to a difficult future by not addressing overpopulation now. It's a disservice to ourselves, our nation and future generations.
Psst -- I know that, I was being sarcastic. He's just as new as she is.
Psst -- no he's not. He joined almost four years ago (though both have post counts between 100 and 200).
Why are we whispering? :)
JasonF
05-10-05, 11:52 AM
I'd say that the father of the victim is not in a very good position to be objective or reasonable.
- David Stein
"Mr. Dukakis, you are an opponent of the death penalty. Suppose your wife Kitty were brutally raped and murdered ..."
Ranger
05-10-05, 11:59 AM
Have the police found a suspect? Is he an illegal alien?
I don't think the police even have any leads right now.
Duran
05-10-05, 12:09 PM
It is estimated that there are currently over 20 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., with around half of them coming from Mexico. There is also a 7-billion dollar people-smuggling operation originating in Asia that is contributing to the problem. Illegal immigrants have taken over many blue collar jobs and driven down the salary for such positions.
Beyond the economic damage, resources such as water will become increasingly scarce in many locales, due to the burdens of overpopulation.
If we do nothing, we commit our children and all living things to a difficult future by not addressing overpopulation now. It's a disservice to ourselves, our nation and future generations.
Driving down the salaries of positions is doing economic damage? Maybe to someone who was being paid more to do the same work, but it sure is an economic boon to the end consumer of the product.
I have no problem with people coming from other countries to live and work here. I'd prefer we made it easier for them to do so legally. I fail to see how anyone in the United States has the right to the standard of living here that other human beings shouldn't have access to.
Red Dog
05-10-05, 12:22 PM
I'd say that the father of the victim is not in a very good position to be objective or reasonable.
- David Stein
As much as I would like to be the judge, jury, and 'executioner' of a certain asshole who caused a great deal of pain to my family and I, I somehow have the ability to see beyond the personal aspects of it and see that such a system probably isn't in the best interest of society as a whole.
melbatoast
05-10-05, 12:25 PM
Have the police found a suspect? Is he an illegal alien?
I don't think the police even have any leads right now.
I heard a news report this morning about the father being a suspect, although this was all I could find online. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/051005_ns_zion.html
For the record, I don't have a problem with the melting pot that our society is today. In fact, I welcome it. I am native American, but I also have ancestors that came from Europe. Without our country's open arms, I wouldn't be here. What I do have a problem with is the ignorance that some have towards our future with the circumstances that we are under today. You seem to be ignoring the future problems. I have yet to see any of you come up with a possible solution to the economic downfall or the lack of water to keep our children alive. Would you move to a thrid world country and be happy with that? Why sit back and let this happen to your grandchildren and so-on? Just because you won't be here doesn't mean you shouldn't give a damn.
sfsdfd
05-10-05, 12:25 PM
I fail to see how anyone in the United States has the right to the standard of living here that other human beings shouldn't have access to.
Well, our standard of living is obviously in flux. <i>cf,</i> "working poor." While minimum wage has stagnated, productivity has risen - people are working harder for less value.
While I can't give an opinion on what constitutes a "fair" standard of living, I will state - adamantly - that American workers should be a lot more concerned and active about this. It's a zero-sum game, people - and the only people paying attention to it are those who oppose you...
- David Stein
SleepyW
05-10-05, 12:28 PM
Wow - some of you are much nicer than I'd be to illegals and some of the a-hole types mentioned. I guess that's why there are so many softies in Washington - they are a representation of the people.
melbatoast
05-10-05, 12:31 PM
Sure! I mean, surely 1,200 miles of razor wire and bricks wouldn't cost that much. When you're running a $4 trillion annual budget, what's another $100 billion or so?
Right. Because that's the only way to close it down. :rolleyes:
How about applying to come in to live. How about doing it legally instead of illiegally and trying to better the economy here like some other countries require you to do if you plan on living there? What about actually making people accountable for the length of stay that they "say" they plan on being here for. What about having to attend school to learn the language and the way of life here instead of being pissed off that nobody can understand you and not trying to better yourself because you feel you have a "right" to be here since your family is in dire straights back home?
Mutley Hyde
05-10-05, 12:32 PM
We currently have over 2 million illegal immigrants in the US. And they are multiplying.
I love how you put this. "They're multiplying... like rabbits!" :lol:
I'm with ya Melba, at least in being concerned over the issues you raise, if not exactly in the solutions you've offered (although thay are quite intriguing ;) ).
EDIT; Okay, your last post I'm all over, in heart and execution. It's just that I can't get behind the whole sending cons to the middle east. Have some compassion... just send them straight to the gas chamber. :)
melbatoast
05-10-05, 12:34 PM
Well, our standard of living is obviously in flux. <i>cf,</i> "working poor." While minimum wage has stagnated, productivity has risen - people are working harder for less value.
While I can't give an opinion on what constitutes a "fair" standard of living, I will state - adamantly - that American workers should be a lot more concerned and active about this. It's a zero-sum game, people - and the only people paying attention to it are those who oppose you...
- David Stein
"Live to Work". That's the American way.
sfsdfd
05-10-05, 12:36 PM
How about doing it legally instead of illiegally and trying to better the economy here like some other countries require you to do if you plan on living there?
Now this is just a guess, but I think the people who sneak across are the ones who were denied legal entry. I can't imagine that they would sneak across the desert if they could just fill out some paperwork and take a Greyhound.
So in essence, you're arguing: "Why can't those who are denied admission just stay in Mexico?" And the answer is: "Because Mexico sucks."
- David Stein
melbatoast
05-10-05, 12:37 PM
:brickwl2:
sfsdfd
05-10-05, 12:40 PM
:brickwl2:
Oh, okay. Now you've convinced me. Yeah, let's just throw them all in jail.
If you're not getting much traction here, it's because you're not being very persuasive.
- David Stein
melbatoast
05-10-05, 12:42 PM
I'm not a saleperson. I don't think I should have to try to sway people's opinions towards mine either. I'll let some people remain completely neutral.
Mutley Hyde
05-10-05, 12:48 PM
There is a problem with the immigration system in regards to bottlenecking, sure, but we shouldn't just let people break the law at will and not do anything to fix the system. That is what is happening now.
What needs to be done is to fix the system... however, you can't fix the system with millions upon millions being added to the problem every year. It would take very little to secure the border, just a little bit of money and a few balls, and then we could get some breathing room and work on the immigration system.
Of course, some people don't like this idea either, because they know that even if we do revamp the immigration system, we're still not going to allow every single Mexican to come here. Even in a working immigration system, we still can't take on the whole population of another nation.
SleepyW
05-10-05, 12:52 PM
Let me just say that I think Mel is being half tongue-in-cheek about the methods and more concerned about the issues she brought up.
Also, some of you have no imagination! :horsepoo:
melbatoast
05-10-05, 12:54 PM
Right.
Now if we could maybe shut down the employers, or somehow hold them accountable for their actions in hiring illegals (and I'm not just speaking of Mexicans). That would be a good start. Quit hiring them, and they'll quit wanting to come here to make more money than they are at home.
Have a system and actually try using it (there's a thought) to keep people from coming in and crapping on our soil. I can't tell you how sick I am of hearing that our country sucks, from people who aren't supposed to be here in the first place!
Don't tax me to pay for welfare and health benefits for people who are too lazy to work or can't work because they are here illegally and are sick and hungry. I have a hard enough time paying fr my own damn family.
Mutley Hyde
05-10-05, 12:58 PM
Well, actually, the extra crap is good for the soil... just one more of the many benefits illegal aliens contribute to this country.
I kid, of course. -ptth-
adamblast
05-10-05, 01:08 PM
I agree. We should be tougher on criminals! And on immigrants! And on immigrant criminals! And we should stop giving lazy people a free ride!
Our system is too soft! It needs to be tougher! A lot tougher! Especially on criminals, immigrants, criminal immigrants and lazy criminal immigrants!
melbatoast
05-10-05, 01:08 PM
SleepyW, you know me so well! -wink-
melbatoast
05-10-05, 01:09 PM
I agree. We should be tougher on criminals! And on immigrants! And on immigrant criminals! And we should stop giving lazy people a free ride!
Our system is too soft! It needs to be tougher! A lot tougher! Especially on criminals, immigrants, criminal immigrants and lazy criminal immigrants!
:toast:
JasonF
05-10-05, 01:50 PM
I agree. We should be tougher on criminals! And on immigrants! And on immigrant criminals! And we should stop giving lazy people a free ride!
Our system is too soft! It needs to be tougher! A lot tougher! Especially on criminals, immigrants, criminal immigrants and lazy criminal immigrants!
"Immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them."
auto
05-10-05, 02:43 PM
:toast:
Haven't we given melbatoast enough attention for today?
Breakfast with Girls
05-10-05, 02:44 PM
If someone murders someone, don't send them to ail for a 6 year term, or even 15. Drop their arses off smack in the middle of Baghdad and let the Iraqi's take care of them.Yeah, those Iraqis are vicious, bloodthirsty savages.
adamblast
05-10-05, 02:55 PM
Yeah, those Iraqis are vicious, bloodthirsty savages.Not to mention foreigners, which is almost as bad. They're like immigrants who're too lazy to even come over. :)
Giantrobo
05-10-05, 03:35 PM
I just wanna see some tits, play xbox, and drink Monster energy drinks.. Fuck all these social ills.
-ohbfrank-
DarkestPhoenix
05-10-05, 05:05 PM
So much for the trial. Guess he's guilty.
melbatoast
05-10-05, 05:06 PM
Haven't we given melbatoast enough attention for today?
No. And that's not what I was after.
visitor Q
05-10-05, 08:49 PM
And another thing - Close down the fricken borders! We currently have over 2 million illegal immigrants in the US. And they are multiplying. They are coming in to bear their children so they will have dual citizinship and be able to work here. They have websites with information on how to get into the country to give birth. There are people moving in to states like California at a rate of 2000 per day, Colorado at 2000 per month, cities like Las Vegas at 2000 a month. In 60 years we will have tripled our population. Where are we going to get the water, the land, the resources to feed all these people? Are we going to sit back and continue to let this happen simply because we want to be the "land of the free"? Where's the free in having to stack on top of each other like in a third world country because there's too many fricken people here and we have no homes for them anymore? No food, no water, no clothes? I don't want my kids to live here having to beg cheat and steal in order to survive another day of their hellish lives.
I'm spent.
then don't read this: ... http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422121
Mad Dawg
05-10-05, 08:57 PM
Not to mention foreigners, which is almost as bad. They're like immigrants who're too lazy to even come over. :)
:lol:
Thor Simpson
05-10-05, 09:04 PM
I say punish the gilty ones more severely (HAHAH!!!) but don't punich the ones who are falsly accused any more cuz thatz bad. k?
seemz fair.
Applejack
05-10-05, 09:21 PM
What's with all the anti-illegal alien sentiment around here lately?
They're like the new "gay" ;)
melbatoast
05-10-05, 10:02 PM
:hscratch: then don't read this: ... http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422121
Mutley Hyde
05-11-05, 02:00 AM
Haven't we given melbatoast enough attention for today?
:hscratch:
Melba, you're alright in my book.
Duran
05-11-05, 08:44 AM
Well, our standard of living is obviously in flux. <i>cf,</i> "working poor." While minimum wage has stagnated, productivity has risen - people are working harder for less value.
While I can't give an opinion on what constitutes a "fair" standard of living, I will state - adamantly - that American workers should be a lot more concerned and active about this. It's a zero-sum game, people - and the only people paying attention to it are those who oppose you...
- David Stein
Even the working poor in this country have a standard of living that far outstrips the great majority of people in the world. It is not a zero-sum game. Every group in the US is better off than it was 50 or 100 years ago.
melbatoast
05-11-05, 10:20 PM
:hscratch:
Melba, you're alright in my book.
Thanks Mutley!
So... anyone hear that an illegal shot and killed one of our (Denver) policeman and wounded another yesterday? Crazy f******!!
Brain Stew
05-14-05, 02:37 PM
If someone murders someone, don't send them to ail for a 6 year term, or even 15. Drop their arses off smack in the middle of Baghdad and let the Iraqi's take care of them. If you rape a person, you should be sent to the really bad parts of India or Africa where they sell children for $5 to have sex with them... take those children out of the equation and give them our rapists instead. Let them see what it feels like. If you steal, you have to be sent into the hearts of Cuba with all of your possessions and be stolen from, beaten and whatever else they want to do to you. If you sell drugs to a child, you should have to live naked in the hell holes of Columbia and work it out with the drug dealers there, only after having your balls sliced in half by the childs parents.
I'm all for having to go to trial to decide on a life sentence to Bagdhad or Iran or China. Or let's start up prison camps again and make these bastards really pay for their crimes.
Have you ever heard of the 8th Amendment?
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
I'm sure in your mind having balls sliced off is not cruel or unusual, but I think most people do think it is.
Also, the idea of the "pusherman" is a creation of Reagan administration. Drugs much like most products high in demand do not require aggressive sales pressure.
Mutley Hyde
05-14-05, 02:55 PM
Um, the pusherman is old school slang dude, Reagan era hype had nothing to do with that.
Ever seen Superfly?
"Pusherman" - 1972
I'm your mama
I'm your daddy
I'm that nigga in the alley
I'm your doctor
When in need
Want some coke
Have some weed
You know me
I'm your friend
Your main boy
Thick and thin
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
Ain't I clean
Bad machine
Super cool
Super mean
Dealin' good
For The Man
Superfly
Here I stand
Secret stash
Heavy bread
Baddest bitches in the bed
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
Silent life of crime
A man of odd circumstance
A victim of ghetto demands
Feed me money for style
And I'll let you trip for a while
Insecure from the past
How long can a good thing last
Oh no, no, no
Got to be mellow, y'all
Got to get mellow, now
Pusherman gettin' mellow, y'all
Heavy mind
Every sign
Makin' money
All the time
My 'E ID'
And just me
For all junkies to see
Ghetto Prince
Is my thing
Makin' love's
How I swing
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
Two bags, please
For a generous fee
Make your world what you want it to be
Got a woman I love desperately
Wanna give her somethin' better than me
Been told I can't be nothin' else
Just a hustler in spite of myself
I know I can break it
This life just don't make it
Lord, Lord, yeah
Got to get mellow, now
Gotta be mellow, y'all
Got to get mellow, now
I'm your mama
I'm your daddy
I'm that nigga in the alley
I'm your doctor
When in need
Want some coke
Have some weed
You know me
I'm your friend
Your main boy
Thick and thin
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
I'm your pusherman
Lord, Lord
Brain Stew
05-14-05, 02:58 PM
Um, the pusherman is old school slang dude, Reagan era hype had nothing to do with that.
Ever seen Superfly?
Fine, then it's a creation of the Nixon administration :p.
I didn't know what else to call the idea that there is a guy forcing kids to buy drugs.
Mutley Hyde
05-14-05, 03:07 PM
If you're saying that there wasn't so much attention given to the idea that dealers sold to kids, there is a reson for that, other than Reagan era hype. I see the Reagan era hype as more of a response to social conditions rather than any orchestrated falsehood; over the years, drugs have been more and more prevalent in younger people, so naturally, the dealers are going to exploit that market. You may say that they're not 'forcing kids to buy drugs', and that they're just meeting demand, but the Regan administration, and a whole bunch of parents as well, felt that drugs weren't the best thing for kids to be doing, and that it was illegal to do drugs anyway, so they figured they'd say something about it all.
Brain Stew
05-14-05, 03:08 PM
You may say that they're not 'forcing kids to buy drugs', and that they're just meeting demand, but the Regan administration, and a whole bunch of parents as well, felt that drugs weren't the best thing for kids to be doing, and that it was illegal to do drugs anyway, so they figured they'd say something about it all.
Which is why drugs no longer exist :)!
This is the subject for a different thread. I apologize for going offtopic.
Mutley Hyde
05-14-05, 03:09 PM
Fine, then it's a creation of the Nixon administration :p.
I didn't know what else to call the idea that there is a guy forcing kids to buy drugs.
Oh, I think you've got the terminology correct, the boogieman who stops a kid on his way home from school and pushes him to try some crack is indeed the 'pusherman'. The thing is that he isn't a myth created by any president, he's a reality created by the drug culture.
Brain Stew
05-14-05, 03:10 PM
Oh, I think you've got the terminology correct, the boogieman who stops a kid on his way home from school and pushes him to try some crack is indeed the 'pusherman'. The thing is that he wasn't created by any president, he was created by the drug culture.
There is no such thing as a guy that "makes" people buy crack, but I digress this is another thread in and of itself.
Mutley Hyde
05-14-05, 03:17 PM
Now you're getting into semantics. Sure, no one 'makes' anyone do anything. My mamma told me that.
But if you don't think older high school kids, who were suppliers of drugs, didn't stop younger kids and try to 'enlighten' them and didn't threaten to kick their ass if they didn't give something a try, I'd have to say you're wrong. Sure, they didn't make anyone take any drugs, but they made you take a choice; take the drugs, or be terrorized. And don't say it doesn't ever happen that way, because I'm tellin' ya, I lived through it. And I'm only in Dallas. Imagine Harlem or Oakland.
Brain Stew
05-14-05, 03:18 PM
Now you're getting into semantics. Sure, no one 'makes' anyone do anything. My mamma told me that.
But if you don't think older high school kids, who were suppliers of drugs, didn't stop younger kids and try to 'enlighten' them and didn't threaten to kick their ass if they didn't give something a try, I'd have to say you're wrong. Sure, they didn't make anyone take any drugs, but they made you take a choice; take the drugs, or be terrorized. And don't say it doesn't ever happen that way, because I'm tellin' ya, I lived through it. And I'm only in Dallas. Imagine Harlem or Oakland.
Ok, for the third and final time and I will state that this is offtopic and needs to be in its own thread. If you continue to try to engage me in a discussion of this matter I will notify the administrators.
Mutley Hyde
05-14-05, 03:20 PM
:lol: Damn dude, sorry. Didn't mean to 'make' you stay off topic. ;)
Brain Stew
05-14-05, 03:23 PM
:lol: Damn dude, sorry. Didn't mean to 'make' you stay off topic. ;)
You can't make me stay off topic, it's my own choice -ptth-!
I have a feeling that the two of us both have strong feelings about the war on drugs and I know that if I personally post any more about it in a thread that isn't specifically about the war on drugs I will get in trouble with the mods and bring the thread down.
I am more than willing to discuss it in a thread if someone would like to create one. :)
Mutley Hyde
05-14-05, 03:30 PM
Nah, it's all good man. I really don't have any hardline takes on the WoD; it's a very complicated issue and both 'sides' have valid points. The only reason I got into this here was I caught that about the Reagan admin coining the term 'pusherman' (that's how I read it, althouhg that may not be exactly what you meant) and just stepped in for a history lesson, is all.
And threads often go off topic without mod action, so long as all stays civil. But with respect to the OP, I'll shut up now too. No need for another thread; there are already a few out there on the subject, and I've pretty much said all I was interested in saying.
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