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Deftones
05-04-05, 12:22 AM
OMG. Everyone plays everything. I'm not kidding. These guys call preflop raises with anything at any time. I lost KK to 62 os. Guy called the BB, then another raise by a guy and I raised it. He called the 2 bet and hit 2 pair on the turn. When I called him a fucking idiot he had no idea why I was telling him that. :lol:

Then, I just saw aces get cracked on a 3 bet preflop w/ 42h on the river flush.

Jesus, these Canadians are terrible.

John Richmond
05-04-05, 02:39 AM
Like I just told Jason, Superior is the same network as TigerGaming, the place I've been cleaning up at for 5 months now. What is everyone's name there so we don't screw each other? I'm grjr.

Deftones
05-04-05, 08:37 AM
I'm ccross17.

Man, I only lost about $10 or so last night, but I was enfuriated. Most of these shitty players are from Canada, eh?

actyper
05-04-05, 11:21 AM
Thats was me, sorry. :)

El Scorcho
05-04-05, 11:37 AM
I'm still amazed at this site/network. Fishier than Pacific Poker, even. I think the generation of POP points contributes to people staying in hands to help contribute to the rake. And who knows, they might even get lucky.

All that said, I do like the interface, especially the big bold cards.

I did screw up though and deposited the $500 max, which means I need 2000 POP for $100 :lol: I thought it was 4x Bonus, not 4x deposit!

I think the way to play this site is to value suited connectors significantly more. And with so many people staying in the flop and calling a raise, you actually have pot odds to chase a gutshot on the turn and possibly the river. Actually, with people so loose and so aggressive here, you probably have implied odds to chase gutshots almost all the time.

John Richmond
05-04-05, 05:01 PM
Yeah, lots of hosers there. TigerGaming has done a ton of advertising in Canada. Believe it or not most of the tables have tightened up in the past month or so. :lol:

As far as playing goes, don't be afraid to play suited connectors and 1-gaps from any position. And definately don't fold them to a raise. Those are the big pots you hope to win with those hands.

When you get AA, KK, QQ and the like don't be afraid to play them fast and hard. Be mentally prepared to lose with them more than you're used to but you will still make a lot of money with them longterm.

El Scorcho
05-04-05, 05:05 PM
Tightened up? Does that mean at one point they had a feature on the software where you could check a box that said "Cap betting all rounds".? :lol:

John Richmond
05-04-05, 05:14 PM
I wanted to make a separate post about the POP points. Be careful when depositing and reloading since the playthrough requirements are usually times the deposit and not times the bonus (as Schorcho found out).

To aquire POP points you have to actually WIN the raked hand, not just contribute to the pot. Say you win a hand that has a .50 rake. You will receive 5 POP for that. You get 10 times the rake you pay in POP points. So to earn 2000 POP you have to have paid $200 in rake.

I've earned over 18,000 POP there (closing in on the extra $100 for 20,000) and almost all of them have been at .25/.50 and .50/.1 so you can see I've played there an awful lot. I believe that compared to Party the rake % at Tiger is quite a bit lower which is why I only play Party during the reloads.

John Richmond
05-04-05, 05:18 PM
Tightened up? Does that mean at one point they had a feature on the software where you could check a box that said "Cap betting all rounds".? :lol:

Nothing quite like drunk Canadians on a friday night. But yeah, overall the preflop calling % has dropped quite a bit lately. I actually haven't made ANY money there the last 4 times I've played which is really unusual. It hasn't mattered this week though since I've got the 2 accounts at PokerNow to play for the $200 bonus.

El Scorcho
05-04-05, 05:25 PM
I wanted to make a separate post about the POP points. Be careful when depositing and reloading since the playthrough requirements are usually times the deposit and not times the bonus (as Schorcho found out).

To aquire POP points you have to actually WIN the raked hand, not just contribute to the pot. Say you win a hand that has a .50 rake. You will receive 5 POP for that. You get 10 times the rake you pay in POP points. So to earn 2000 POP you have to have paid $200 in rake.

I've earned over 18,000 POP there (closing in on the extra $100 for 20,000) and almost all of them have been at .25/.50 and .50/.1 so you can see I've played there an awful lot. I believe that compared to Party the rake % at Tiger is quite a bit lower which is why I only play Party during the reloads.

Everyone else says taht you get POP on SuperiorPoker for just contributing.

Also, PF%s last night were at 70-72%

John Richmond
05-04-05, 05:30 PM
Everyone else says taht you get POP on SuperiorPoker for just contributing.

Also, PF%s last night were at 70-72%

Everyone else is wrong. ;)

I haven't been there for a couple of days. Maybe they got a new batch of hosers. What limit was that at? It was limit and not NL right?

El Scorcho
05-04-05, 05:42 PM
Everyone else is wrong. ;)

I haven't been there for a couple of days. Maybe they got a new batch of hosers. What limit was that at? It was limit and not NL right?

It was 1/2 limit. I don't do NL games.

Here's the direct reply from live chat about Pop points:

Jason: do you earn pop points only for hands you win, or all hands you contribute to?
Xenia: hi Jason
Xenia: you win them according to your contribution to the pot
Jason: so if I contribute $1 and the pot ends up being $10, I get 10% of the total POP points given out for that hand?
Xenia: 1 POP is earned for each 10 cents of the acutal rake
Jason: how much rake is there total if a hand finishes at $10?
Xenia: 10%
Jason: ok so the rake is $1 and is worth 10 POP points spread proportionally to everyone who put money in the pot
Xenia: let me give you an example: 3 players contribute $30 to the pot which totals $90. the rake on the hand is $3 so each player is credited with contributing $1 of rake and receive 10 POP points

John Richmond
05-04-05, 06:19 PM
And you would believe a CS over me? :lol:

Do this next time you're playing there. On the main lobby page click on cashier then "go to cashier". Once the page opens up click on account summary at the top left. On this page you'll see your total POP points and they will be updated after every hand. Play a hand where you contribute to the pot but don't win and then refresh the account summary page and see if it changes your POP. Then wait until you win a hand and do the same thing. Then get back to me.

John Richmond
05-04-05, 06:30 PM
Nevermind. I just checked it myself and they HAVE changed it. It WAS the way I said as recently as two weeks ago though. :lol:

BTW, I'm running so bad there I lost $15 in the 10 minutes I was checking it out. I had AA at the .50/1 table and ONE GUY calls me. Flop is KJ8, turn is 4, river is A. I bet he raises I 3 bet he caps. I say you better not have QT. MOTHERF....!! I lose more damned hands to QT than any other hand. It really hates me.

El Scorcho
05-04-05, 06:36 PM
Not to mention that if one POP point is worth every .10 in rake you contribute, and rake is taken out in values ending in either .05 or .10, there's no way you can have a POP value of 183.28. :)

El Scorcho
05-04-05, 06:37 PM
Nevermind. I just checked it myself and they HAVE changed it. It WAS the way I said as recently as two weeks ago though. :lol:

BTW, I'm running so bad there I lost $15 in the 10 minutes I was checking it out. I had AA at the .50/1 table and ONE GUY calls me. Flop is KJ8, turn is 4, river is A. I bet he raises I 3 bet he caps. I say you better not have QT. MOTHERF....!! I lose more damned hands to QT than any other hand. It really hates me.

I lost a $40 hand last night holding KK.

Flop 5 8 2, turn 9, river 7. He had A6. :lol:

John Richmond
05-04-05, 08:02 PM
If a straight can be made there's a real good chance it has.

Deftones
05-05-05, 12:36 AM
I give up on this site. I can't do anything right. I get top pair top kicker, I get raped on the turn or the river by a fucking fuckhole fuckface that played some god awful hand preflop. I just lost $30 in about 30 minutes from every top pair, top kicker scenario you can imagine.

Deftones
05-05-05, 01:28 AM
Ok, I've calmed down a bit. I won two huge pots and got back even. That would seem to be the MO of this site. Huge swings both ways. Man, unbelieveable.

John Richmond
05-05-05, 03:18 AM
You got that right. That's why I very seldom play 1/2 there.

Deftones
05-06-05, 03:23 PM
God this site enfuriates me. I can't ever seem to win w/ TPTK because some assfuck w/ middle pair calls multiple bets and hits his 2nd pair on the river. Jesus. This 500 POP points can come fast enough for me to withdraw my money out of this god awful place.

Deftones
05-07-05, 06:18 PM
Well after winning back all money last night that I lost previously, this site can once again suck my dick.

I have K3 in the BB. Flop comes 33K. I bet out, I get raised. Capped betting throughout each rounds of betting. 8 on the turn 9 on the river.

So I flopped boat. I assume guy has a 3 (which is entirely possible, since everyone here plays everything) or he has a K for 2 pair. He flips up KK. You have got to be fucking kidding me. The one and only hand that could beat me on the flop, the guy has. Unfuckingreal.

NotThatGuy
05-09-05, 10:12 AM
damn....Deftones is scaring me now!

I've been tempted to throw $100-$150 in for some fun, but I"m debating on what site to use. Suggestions?

-pedagogue

Deftones
05-09-05, 11:12 AM
damn....Deftones is scaring me now!

I've been tempted to throw $100-$150 in for some fun, but I"m debating on what site to use. Suggestions?

-pedagogue


Check your email...

moorehed
05-09-05, 11:15 AM
Well after winning back all money last night that I lost previously, this site can once again suck my dick.


rotfl

Deftones
05-09-05, 11:31 AM
rotfl


The funny thing is, last night I went on this super streak at a $1/$2 table. I've never, ever this kind of variance in playing at a site with such peaks and valleys.

I walked away with $100 last night, so I'm not going to complain....until I hit another valley. :lol:

moorehed
05-09-05, 12:15 PM
worse than bodog???

El Scorcho
05-09-05, 01:04 PM
pedagogue:

In order you should do:

* Instant bankroll @ pokersourceonline.com. You get $75 free at partypoker.com to play with. And another $25 if you play 500 raked hands. It's no risk.

* Sportingbet.com through ecasinodeals.com. You get $60 worth of comps for 250 raked hands at .25/.50 limit hold em or higher. Plus you get a $10 bonus for every 100 raked hands from sportingbet.com. The stupidity of the players here combined with the low raked hand requirements (250) make this a good starter site.

* Bodog.com through pokersourceonline.com. You get a 20% deposit bonus (deposit $100, get $20 extra) and you only have to earn 150 bodog poker points to earn your comp ($60 worth).

That's just for starters. Always make sure you sign up for a poker room through ecasinodeals.com or pokersourceonline.com to earn $60 worth of comps for each room you complete. Even if you lose your ass, earning this comps will buoy you some.

But the key thing is to learn how to play at least break-even low limit poker. I suggest getting a couple books (Winning Low Limit Hold-em by Lee Jones is great) if you're really interested in learning the game and making some money.

6 months ago I was where you're at. 100 bucks and no clue where to start. Now I'm over $4k and have earned over $700 in comps at amazon.com.

Deftones
05-09-05, 01:14 PM
worse than bodog???

I haven't played there yet. Slowly working on getting around to that site, although I have watched Scorcho play there and yes, my swings have been far more extreme.

Deftones
05-09-05, 06:15 PM
Holy mother of variance. -eek-

I just sat down with $20 at a $1/$2 table and the same amount at a $.25/$.50 table. I just walked away with $170 total in less than 30 mnutes. Now that is the variance I want to see!!!! :lol:

John Richmond
05-10-05, 12:59 AM
Holy mother of variance. -eek-

I just sat down with $20 at a $1/$2 table and the same amount at a $.25/$.50 table. I just walked away with $170 total in less than 30 mnutes. Now that is the variance I want to see!!!! :lol:

I guess now you see why this is my "home" site. I haven't been able to go off for over a week now though. That's been the longest draught I've had there.

Deftones
05-10-05, 02:23 AM
I guess now you see why this is my "home" site. I haven't been able to go off for over a week now though. That's been the longest draught I've had there.

But of course it goes both ways. Right now I can't hit shit for shit. Giving some of it back. Just planning on clearing the ECD comp and getting the F out.

John Richmond
05-10-05, 02:51 AM
Up until the past week I've had very few losing/neutral sessions there. The players just aren't as stupid as they used to be. Maybe the canadians don't get liquored up as much when it's not winter time.

NotThatGuy
05-10-05, 12:38 PM
Thanks El Scorcho, much appreciated.

I have some GC's at amazon I've gotta use...might as well pick up that book. :)

-pedagogue

John Richmond
05-10-05, 02:29 PM
Thanks El Scorcho, much appreciated.

I have some GC's at amazon I've gotta use...might as well pick up that book. :)

-pedagogue

After you read Lee Jones and become weak/tight then read Small Stakes Hold'em by Ed Miller. It'll make you a better player.

El Scorcho
05-10-05, 02:31 PM
ANd then top it all off with Doyle Brunson's Super System 2 to learn some other games.

NotThatGuy
05-10-05, 04:58 PM
it might take me a year to read those books. I currently have a couple thousand pages I need to read over the next month, and much more after that. Freakin' school.

-pedagogue

John Richmond
05-10-05, 05:15 PM
it might take me a year to read those books. I currently have a couple thousand pages I need to read over the next month, and much more after that. Freakin' school.

-pedagogue

It took me two days total to read both of those. What does that tell you about MY life? :lol:

El Scorcho
05-10-05, 05:25 PM
Your wife doesn't pay attention to you, that's what. :lol:

John Richmond
05-10-05, 05:48 PM
Early stage of menopause is a bitch. It's like someone flipped a fucking switch...and I do mean a fucking switch. :lol:

naughty jonny
05-11-05, 02:01 AM
Just curious (and being a complete n00b, poker is very much a learning experience for me), wouldn't their looseness and willingness to play each hand be an advantage to you?

If everyone plays everything, then all you need to do is wait until you're confident that you have the winning hand and then play them out for all you can.

If you play Texas Hold'em, you can be sure of KNOWING that you have an unbeatable hand once the river comes out, correct? (not sure, which is why I'm asking). If that's the case, then raise and raise and raise :)

NotThatGuy
05-11-05, 09:58 AM
Early stage of menopause is a bitch. It's like someone flipped a fucking switch...and I do mean a fucking switch. :lol:

From disinterested to no interest?

Dude...that sucks.

I'm not getting married for quite awhile...too expensive (both monetarily and in the bedroom)

-pedagogue

NotThatGuy
05-11-05, 09:59 AM
Just curious (and being a complete n00b, poker is very much a learning experience for me), wouldn't their looseness and willingness to play each hand be an advantage to you?

If everyone plays everything, then all you need to do is wait until you're confident that you have the winning hand and then play them out for all you can.

If you play Texas Hold'em, you can be sure of KNOWING that you have an unbeatable hand once the river comes out, correct? (not sure, which is why I'm asking). If that's the case, then raise and raise and raise :)

I'd rather play with someone tight, because you pretty much know what you are getting into. Someone who plays loose might hit an improbable hand. I had a guy hit a full house with 2's and 4's IIRC, he was holding a 2, 4.

-pedagogue

Deftones
05-11-05, 11:14 AM
Just curious (and being a complete n00b, poker is very much a learning experience for me), wouldn't their looseness and willingness to play each hand be an advantage to you?

If everyone plays everything, then all you need to do is wait until you're confident that you have the winning hand and then play them out for all you can.

If you play Texas Hold'em, you can be sure of KNOWING that you have an unbeatable hand once the river comes out, correct? (not sure, which is why I'm asking). If that's the case, then raise and raise and raise :)

Yes and no. Statistically speaking, if you are playing w/ TPTK you should win more often than not. This, of course, is assuming over millions and millions of hands. I am not playing that much. :)

What often happens at this site, is that you'll have TPTK. Loose guy w/ middle pair stays in, and hits his 2nd pair on the turn or river. That's how I lose most of the time over there.

The site has been a bit better for me lately. I'm up about $140 there or so. Just gotta pick your spots when you really want to force a hand. :)

El Scorcho
05-11-05, 11:53 AM
jonny --

WHen you have a bunch of calling stations on a table that are idiots that will chase their ace-high hand, try to pull two hearts on the turn/river for their flush, etc. and you have several of these calling stations on the table calling your bets with top-pair-top-kicker, you run into "implicit collusion"'s little brother. That is, you may be a huge mathematical favorite against every hand on the table, but you're actually an underdog to the entire table with all those hands still out there.

A good example of this is below. 5-hands that loose people would typically play and their preflop win percentages over time:

1) AA - 45.0%
2) 56o - 13.1%
3) 8To - 8.9%
4) JTs - 18.1%
5) K7s - 15.0%

You're a strong favorite against every single hand, but actually a 45% to 55% underdog to the entire table.

Of course, this is still a favorable situation because you're more or less a 50-50 shot at winning and your opponents are putting 4 bets in for every 1 bet you put in, so the pot odds will continue to be in your favor. However, it goes to show that your short-term variance will fluctuate a ton based on how these 50/50 situations turn out.

In a way, this is why I both love and hate playing tables with 5-6 people seeing the flop on a limit table. The amount of money you can win is high, yet you can have those really frustrating nights where your AA loses to 83o that happened to river a 3 for his 2 pair.

John Richmond
05-11-05, 05:28 PM
I smell plagiarism. ;)

El Scorcho
05-11-05, 05:50 PM
Yep, I stole my signature from a website. You're good!

naughty jonny
05-11-05, 06:00 PM
A good example of this is below. 5-hands that loose people would typically play and their preflop win percentages over time:

1) AA - 45.0%
2) 56o - 13.1%
3) 8To - 8.9%
4) JTs - 18.1%
5) K7s - 15.0%

You're a strong favorite against every single hand, but actually a 45% to 55% underdog to the entire table.

Of course, this is still a favorable situation because you're more or less a 50-50 shot at winning and your opponents are putting 4 bets in for every 1 bet you put in, so the pot odds will continue to be in your favor.

That's the thing I was thinking of. Yes, you'll win 45% of the time (and lose 55% of the time), but you should theoretically be taking $5 in those 45% instances but 55% of the time losing only $1 (I'm assuming that everyone is betting, hence the 5:1 ratio of players:you).

Of course, Murphy's Law would counter that when you do win (in those 45% of hands you play), the pot will be smaller, but it still seems to me to be good tactics for slowly, but surely, building up a bank.

Is there a serious problem with this tactic (over a long term)?

El Scorcho
05-11-05, 06:07 PM
The problem with it (and with gambling in general) is that we tend to dwell on our bad beats and instantly forget our good wins.

When you're continually making the best decisions and winning, it's tough to improve. But boy oh boy, you get handed a bad beat and all of a sudden your decision making turns to shit. The math above is all correct but it doesn't factor in TILT for the future hands.

Plus we, as humans, get astounded by a person's stupidity when it comes to gambling and money. WHAT? You're splitting tens? WHAT? You're calling 3-bets cold preflop with 83o?

El Scorcho
05-22-05, 11:49 PM
OK, I've changed my tune here. I love this site. Put $200 back in a couple weeks ago, played off and on, was down to $145 on Thurs night. Now it's Sunday night and I'm at $610 :lol:

At one point Friday night, I bought in for $50 on one $1/2 table and cashed that table out for $230. My best table ever.

John Richmond
05-22-05, 11:56 PM
I've been treading water there every time I've played this month which is highly unusual. Friday and Saturday nights were always good but they're good at Party too and I've had mucho bonuses to clear there. So I've spent just about the entire month at Party.

Haven't even done any of the Cryptos this month since they've been completely kicking my ass.