After using the Defiant to repel a Tholian attack, the power-hungry Archer and Enterprise crew set about using this advanced ship to seize control of all of Earth's Terran Empire. As Archer takes full command of the Defiant and reviews the alternate history of Starfleet, his duplicitous lover Hoshi, a traitorous T'Pol and a reptilian Gorn stowaway hatch schemes of their own.
Director: Marvin V. Rush
Teleplay By: Michael Sussman
Story By: Manny Coto
Bandoman
04-29-05, 08:20 AM
It's going to be so cool seeing them in the TOS uniforms. :up:
Chew
04-29-05, 08:33 AM
Not only that, but I can't wait to see what a CGI Gorn will look like.
Bandoman
04-29-05, 08:50 AM
Yeah, that too.
Damn, why does this show have to get good just before it's cancelled?
Chew
04-29-05, 08:55 AM
Damn, why does this show have to get good just before it's cancelled?
"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe."
cdoug57
04-29-05, 09:15 AM
I guess this show will be like George Costanza, leaving on a high note, knows when to exit.
Red Dog
04-29-05, 09:53 AM
So do we get to see T'Pol and Hoshi in short short skirts?
Damfino
04-29-05, 11:24 AM
So do we get to see T'Pol and Hoshi in short short skirts?
I would assume so!
I think the premise outlined in the spoiler would make a decent spin-off series all by itself.
klandersen
04-29-05, 12:49 PM
It is a shame that they are cancelling it in its Best season. Season 4 has traditionally been one of the better seasons of Trek shows, the characters have usually gotten fleshed out and grown enough that they are no longer awkward.
A friend of mine suggested about a year or two ago, before notice of cancellation was announced that to save they show they probably should try a radical concept of Releasing the previous seasons on DVD and then instead of cancelling the show completely continue to produce the series as a DVD Only show.
gcbrowni
04-29-05, 02:46 PM
Gorn!
:banana:
mikehunt
04-29-05, 08:31 PM
I'm creaming my pants
not really
but this is cool as hell
a TOS ship with TNG warp speed stars going by
the gorn
the noisey bridge
Gary Graham making an appearance
blue phasers
blue-white photon torpedoes
mikehunt
04-29-05, 08:38 PM
wait a second, they're about to overturn TOS continuity. the full rebellion doesn't really get going until after Mirror Spock becomes a peacenik
edit: good, they put a stop to that
mikehunt
04-29-05, 08:58 PM
OMG. I haven't seen that actor in YEARS
Peter fucking Weller
Come with me or there will be, trouble
Cartload
04-29-05, 09:00 PM
LOL, Hoshi and Travis, the least used characters in the regular universe, end up running things! That's great.
Also, I believe the vaporized Admiral plays the VP on 24.
pilot
04-29-05, 09:22 PM
just a reminder, the podcast for In a Mirror, Darkly, Part I available http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/10602.html, and for part 2, http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/10679.html
Bandoman
04-29-05, 09:27 PM
That was COOL! Why can't we have more stuff like this? Why? [Bando cries]
lisadoris
04-29-05, 09:34 PM
LOL, Hoshi and Travis, the least used characters in the regular universe, end up running things! That's great.
That was great and I did not see that ending coming at all. The writers managed to maintain TOS continuity which is cool and next week's episode looks sweet. I hate UPN more and more with each passing week.
Damfino
04-30-05, 04:11 AM
I loved all of the little details on the Defiant. From the classic look to the sound effects (I even liked the hokey teletype sounds that came from the computer and the over-sized flip-phone style communicators!)
The ending even gives us hope that we will get to re-visit this story line some day.
Chew
04-30-05, 09:29 AM
I'm creaming my pants
not really
but this is cool as hell
a TOS ship with TNG warp speed stars going by
the gorn
the noisey bridge
Gary Graham making an appearance
blue phasers
blue-white photon torpedoes
Pretty much my same thoughts!
It was great seeing a TOS era ship in actual ship-to-ship combat. And now we finally know where a TOS Jeffries Tube goes. :lol:
If they ever want to "really" shake up Trek sometime in the future, a Mirror series could be a lot of fun.
dstrauss
04-30-05, 01:22 PM
Damn, that was fun. Why are they killing this right as it's getting good?
Red Dog
04-30-05, 07:51 PM
LOL, Hoshi and Travis, the least used characters in the regular universe, end up running things! That's great.
I liked that too.
Didn't like the Gorn. Way too fast compared to the sloth we saw in Arena.
MvRojo
05-01-05, 05:18 AM
The battle where the TOS Enterprise was kicking the Andorian and Vulcan asses was freaking awesome. Seeing the way it moved with modern CGI and seeing it in battle was great. Man, if only we got to see that ship doing more.
Great ending as well. I knew something had to happen to Archer since he was being mocked by his more successful normal-universe counterpart throughout the episode.
The only thing I didn't like the was way the Gorn looked. They tried to make him look more lizardy, but it kinda lost something.
runner001
05-01-05, 12:03 PM
so after listening to the podcast, I would like to know if anyone here is able to give us a HDTV screen cap of the character bios for hoshi and for archer.
oh, and a screen cap of hoshi-mayweather kissing would be nice too! :)
much thanks in advance!
adamblast
05-01-05, 12:27 PM
If they ever want to "really" shake up Trek sometime in the future, a Mirror series could be a lot of fun.Not to mention the fact that, in the Mirror Universe, apparently all the women are lipstick lesbians. :D
Cartload
05-01-05, 03:21 PM
so after listening to the podcast, I would like to know if anyone here is able to give us a HDTV screen cap of the character bios for hoshi and for archer.
oh, and a screen cap of hoshi-mayweather kissing would be nice too! :)
I read on trekweb.com that Sussman wrote more stuff than what appeared on the screen. Apparently Archer died at his home 1 day after attending the commissioning ceremony of the TOS Enterprise NCC-1701. Hoshi and her family were executed by Kodos (from the TOS Season 1 episode "The Conscience of the King") in 2246.
NORML54601
05-01-05, 05:27 PM
Excellent episode. I agree with the comments about the Gorn, but I can overlook that when the rest of the episode was so good.
Empress Soto :drool:
I'm pretty sure I saw a nip in the siloutte(sp) scene with Soto & Archer right before she says "maybe it's time to get rid of her (T'Pol).
mikehunt
05-01-05, 06:11 PM
Not to mention the fact that, in the Mirror Universe, apparently all the women are lipstick lesbians. :D
I read on trekweb.com that Sussman wrote more stuff than what appeared on the screen. Apparently Archer died at his home 1 day after attending the commissioning ceremony of the TOS Enterprise NCC-1701. Hoshi and her family were executed by Kodos (from the TOS Season 1 episode "The Conscience of the King") in 2246.
cartload, that is really appreciated. what program are you using to capture the shots? my usual solution to getting a screen capture is hitting print screen but in this case, it saves the screen but minus the actual image displayed in media player. dunno why.
anyway, the writer on the podcast said he wrote the actual entire bio for each character. is there anyway for the images to be bigger or zoomed in on what's displayed on the monitor so I can read it? barring that, perhaps someone can give a summary of what it says on that screen. hope i don't sound ungreatful for the screencaps because i'm am very greatful! :)
HN
05-01-05, 09:00 PM
cartload, that is really appreciated. what program are you using to capture the shots? my usual solution to getting a screen capture is hitting print screen but in this case, it saves the screen but minus the actual image displayed in media player. dunno why.
The problem is the overlay. Here's a simple work around:
1. open media player, open video file and pause it.
2. open another media player window, open video file, and do your capture from this window. You should now have an image when you paste.
mikehunt
05-01-05, 09:21 PM
tools->options->performance->advanced button under video acceleration and then uncheck "use overlays" also works
I had to do that when using an xp computer once because I couldn't get it to open more than one copy of media player
runner001
05-01-05, 09:32 PM
HN and mikehunt, thanks for the help.
HN, I just tried your suggestion and it worked. however, I encountered the same problem that mikehunt had (unable to open more than one media player). I used a different player as my second player. Does this procedure always capture the player on top and not the one under it?
mikehunt, what are the pros and cons of unchecking "use overlays"?
Cartload
05-01-05, 09:53 PM
I used PowerDVD. The screenshots were as close as they showed them in the episodes. I really hope that the full bios are included as extras on the Season 4 DVD boxset.
Oh, and for good measure here's a cap of "Empress Sato":
http://img22.echo.cx/img22/837/pdvd0152cl.th.jpg (http://img22.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0152cl.jpg)
HN
05-01-05, 10:19 PM
HN and mikehunt, thanks for the help.
HN, I just tried your suggestion and it worked. however, I encountered the same problem that mikehunt had (unable to open more than one media player). I used a different player as my second player. Does this procedure always capture the player on top and not the one under it?
You can use WMP 6.4 and open multiple instances (go to Start --> Run --> type "mplayer2" (no quotes) )
As far as I can tell, yes, it will only capture the player on top.
theedge
05-02-05, 12:24 AM
Another great episode...
And now since TrekUnited.com has been shot down (http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3732&st=0) We may never see how the emperoress rules, or many more good eps other than 3 more. Sigh.
mikehunt
05-02-05, 12:36 AM
mikehunt, what are the pros and cons of unchecking "use overlays"?
I've only done it a couple times, when I was messing around on my mom's laptop
only thing I noticed was the brightness changed a little
MvRojo
05-02-05, 08:15 PM
Here's the full bios from Archer and Hoshi as posted by writer Mike Sussman on the TrekBBS.
For those who are curious, here's the complete text I created for the Archer/Hoshi on-screen bios. Some of the text on-screen was taken directly from the Star Trek.com bios on the characters; this is the stuff I made up.
STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: Archer, Jonathan
Serial Number: SA-022-9237-CY
Rank at retirement: Admiral, Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command
Former Assignments:
Commanding officer, Enterprise NX-01, 2150-2160
Ambassador to Andoria, 2169-2175
Federation Councilman, 2175-2183
President, UFP 2184-2192
Birthplace: Upstate New York, North America, Earth
Parents: Henry and Sally Archer
Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan Archer was appointed captain of Starfleet’s first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. As an explorer and peacemaker, his name is among the most recognized in the Federation, and his pioneering voyages aboard the Enterprise are known to school children on dozens of worlds, many of which were unknown to humans in Archer’s lifetime. Historian John Gill called Archer the “greatest explorer of the 22nd Century.” Archer earned an impressive list of commendations during his career, including a Medal of Valor, with clusters, the Star Cross, the Preantares Ribbon of Commendation, and the Federation Citation of Honor. Archer was also appointed an honorary member of the Andorian Guard by General Thy’lek Shran in 2164. He’s the only human to have two planets named in his honor: Archer’s Planet in the Gamma Trianguli sector, and Archer IV, which orbits 61 Ursae Majoris. Archer IV was the first M-Class world charted by the famous explorer. Although the planet was uninhabitable throughout the 22nd Century due to toxic pollen in the atmosphere, an antidote to the pollen was discovered early in the 2200’s. Today, the population of Archer IV numbers more than seven hundred million.
When I wrote this, I assumed the text wouldn't be legible (silly me). There are probably some errors in here. One I can spot -- Archer took command of Enterprise in 2151, not 2150. Some of this text would seem to be contradicted by the finale (which obviously had not been written yet). The name Sally, unless I'm mistaken, is also the name of Scott Bakula's mother.
Moreover, there was a final section of text that didn't actually appear on screen:
Archer died peacefully in his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701.
Yeah, he would've been old, but pretty close to McCoy's age in "Encounter at Farpoint."
This is the text I created for Hoshi's bio:
STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
Serial Number: SA-037-0198-CL
Rank at retirement: Lieutenant Commander
Former Assignment: Communications and Protocol officer, Enterprise NX-01
Birthplace: Kyoto, Japan, Earth
Hoshi Sato served as translator, and protocol and communications officer on Starfleet’s first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129, she was the second child in a family of three. After leaving Starfleet in her late thirties, Sato created the linguacode translation matrix, which is still in use aboard Federation starships today.
Since the dialogue stated that the file contained info on Hoshi's marriage and death, I created a final paragraph -- it's worth noting that this was NOT shown on-screen:
Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony’s population. Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto with her husband, Takashi Kimura.
I wouldn't really consider any of this "hard canon," so take it all with a grain of salt. Both bios were slapped together hastily and weren't approved by the exec producers. Some trivia -- the name of Hoshi's "husband" was cobbled together from actors in some favorite Japanese films -- Hoshi and Linda Park share the same birthday.
Tim Gaskill and I discuss this some more on the podcast at startrek.com.
runner001
05-02-05, 08:46 PM
mvrojo, thanks! this is exactly what i was trying to see with the screen caps. :) interesting stuff.
MvRojo
05-02-05, 09:17 PM
mvrojo, thanks! this is exactly what i was trying to see with the screen caps. :) interesting stuff.
No problem.
I personally like Archer's bio and how he becomes Ambassador to Andoria and then President of the Federation. It makes me happy to know that Archer goes on to become that important to the history of the Federation.
milo bloom
05-02-05, 09:42 PM
Amazing. The networks have entered a truly dark time, cutting down sci fi in it's prime. Firefly, Angel, and now, Enterprise, once considered the bastard child of Trekdom, flying higher than ever this season, is shot down in the midst of a glorious flight to the stars.
What hath Nielson wrought?
*********************
While I wouldn't want a whole series of this, these little dips into the Mirror universe are incredible carthosis (sp) for even us longtime, patient fans, who can only take so many episodes of humans and aliens talking about their feelings. A wonderful ending too. Long live Empress Sato!
MvRojo
05-02-05, 10:04 PM
While I wouldn't want a whole series of this, these little dips into the Mirror universe are incredible carthosis (sp) for even us longtime, patient fans, who can only take so many episodes of humans and aliens talking about their feelings. A wonderful ending too. Long live Empress Sato!
Yeah, it was really fun storytelling, even moreso than the first few DS9 mirror universe episodes (after which they got kinda bad). I liked how they kinda just dropped us into the mirror universe for these two episodes and then just take us out without really wrapping up everything so it's like we jumped into the middle of an episode arc in the mirror universe. Mike Sussman said that he and Coto had already discussed ideas for a return during the fifth season, but I guess that won't happen now unfortunately.
Cartload
05-02-05, 10:07 PM
No problem.
I personally like Archer's bio and how he becomes Ambassador to Andoria and then President of the Federation. It makes me happy to know that Archer goes on to become that important to the history of the Federation.
Yeah, I really hope the bios become canon. It's kind of touching that Archer died the day after the 1701 was launced and sad that Hoshi met a tragic end. It's nice to know that the Enterprise crew wasn't wiped out of existence due to the Temporal Cold War or something along those lines.
das Monkey
05-03-05, 08:23 PM
That was the most hilariously awesome, awful, kickass, terrible, wonderful thing I've ever seen.
das
Bandoman
05-03-05, 09:21 PM
Preach it, Brother das!
RichardW
05-03-05, 10:20 PM
Empress Sato. A great ending to a great pair of episodes. :up:
das Monkey
05-03-05, 10:21 PM
• RichardW •
Empress Sato. A great end. A great pair. :up:
I could <i>not</i> agree more!
das
dstrauss
05-04-05, 12:12 AM
How long till the first series of mirror-Sato/T'Pol slash?
Chew
05-04-05, 07:17 AM
That was the most hilariously awesome, awful, kickass, terrible, wonderful thing I've ever seen.
das
Sounds about right. :lol::up:
cdoug57
05-04-05, 08:22 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable. I am really glad the series took this chance and this viewer is glad they did.
Damfino
05-04-05, 11:09 AM
Amazing. The networks have entered a truly dark time, cutting down sci fi in it's prime. Firefly, Angel, and now, Enterprise, once considered the bastard child of Trekdom, flying higher than ever this season, is shot down in the midst of a glorious flight to the stars.
What hath Nielson wrought?
I don't think the networks realize that having shows that cross as many genres as possible will broaden their audience. For example, when Angel ended last year it was the only show I watched on the WB, now I haven't watched anything on the WB for a year. Likewise, Enterprise is the only thing I watch on UPN, so it's not likely that I will be watching UPN anymore.
Chew
05-04-05, 01:32 PM
Nobody has said this yet, but it was nice to hear Majel Barrett's voice used for the computers again. Even if it isn't the classic TOS voice. I believe it makes her the only person involved on-screen in every version of TV Trek, correct?
I bet we hear her voice again in the finale.
milo bloom
05-04-05, 03:49 PM
Nobody has said this yet, but it was nice to hear Majel Barrett's voice used for the computers again. Even if it isn't the classic TOS voice. I believe it makes her the only person involved on-screen in every version of TV Trek, correct?
I bet we hear her voice again in the finale.
I didn't even realize that. Where was she used?
And something else I remembered, I wanted to give a "shout out" to the Orion female Tactical officer. Nice touch to see one in a "Starfleet" uniform.
Chew
05-05-05, 07:17 AM
We got to hear Majel's voice during the scene where Archer used the Defiant computers to look at the history of himself and Hoshi.
das Monkey
05-05-05, 09:33 AM
Btw, I stumbled over to TrekBBS.com the other day after someone told me they had posted my <i>Enterprise</i> review over there. After reading a few threads, holy carp ... -eek- Thank <i>God</i> for this place!
das
Tracer Bullet
05-05-05, 10:04 AM
Btw, I stumbled over to TrekBBS.com the other day after someone told me they had posted my <i>Enterprise</i> review over there. After reading a few threads, holy carp ... -eek- Thank <i>God</i> for this place!
das
That place is fantastic. You should have visited it when the cancellation was first announced. I actually saved a few of my favorites:
From persons of the 1960s, it seems an abstraction -- a magician's trick on a darkened stage. And from this distance one might never imagine that it is alive. It first appeared on nbc over forty years ago in the form of serious sci-fi show. In an explosion of life spanning decades, the sequels and spinoffs multiplied... and then it stopped. on febuary 2, 2005 A.D nearly every form of televied trek was to be wiped off the planet, leaving the slot for the best sci fi series in the universe empty. Before this, people prostested, begged for ent to stay on air, but the apocolypse came anyway and wiped ent off the face of the earth.. 40 years ago, Gene Rodenberry had a vision, heignited that original spark. Is there a plan, a purpose or a reason to our existence? We know there is, to get trek of some sort on the airwaves, no matter what the cost, until then, the originals, and the 3 sets of 7 season shows, novels, etc, will attempt to fill the gap. This is a dark day for everyone that loves trek, and dreams of a better future. Or will our entertainment reappear through a sign, a symbol, a revelation, an intense writing campaign? Those hooligans at UPN MUST, MUST know that most of the last season has been a smash hit, it would be suicide to drop it. We need to do something... what, I don't know yet. If anyone wants to talk, shoulder to cry on... msg me
you know what , fuck it . this will probably engender a warning, and possibly suspension, but i dont care. i am fucking pissed off and while i dont mean any of these rantings, i feel i have to vent. bear in mind i would not do this to les mooneves. february 3 2005 a white ford is rapidly traversing around wilshire boulevard careening at eighty. the time is 335 pm. les mooneves who just recently cancelled enterprise and is elated is startled at first/ he dismisses the screechings of the white ford as some driver making a sharp maneuver . three seconds later he turns around only to have himself ascended eighty feet in the air courtesy of the ford hitting him at eighty miles per hour. mooneves falls on the ground in obvious pian. the assislant takes a bat and proceeds to smash it over moonves head until his head splits open like a grapefruit . he then sets moonves on fire , and then subsequently vaporizes him with a phaser, recently invented
I'm so sad right now. I'll wear black clothes to school tomorrow. This show represented a hope for Earth, and for television as we know it, and it's gone.
Chew
05-05-05, 11:45 AM
Btw, I stumbled over to TrekBBS.com the other day after someone told me they had posted my <i>Enterprise</i> review over there. After reading a few threads, holy carp ... -eek- Thank <i>God</i> for this place!
das
It's kinda weird seeing your name elsewhere:
das Monkey of DVD Talk enjoyed rewatching the first season, despite disliking the packaging and finding errors in the episode labels on the fourth disc's menus. The show "looks pretty darn good" and the extras are labeled "decent"; there's also a guide to the Easter Eggs in the DVD set.
Link (http://www.trektoday.com/news/030505_01.shtml)
Cartload
05-05-05, 01:28 PM
This is all I have to say about those trekbbs postings you quoted TracerBullet, especially the one about killing Les Moonves with a Ford and a phaser:
rotfl
Buy: