Rodriguez & Miller to shoot Sin City 2 & 3 back to back!!!

[Barry Woodward]

Now for the news that I'm sure most people will agree is absolutely great. Robert Rodriguez will be shooting back to back sequels for SIN CITY 2 and 3 starting February of next year for a release presumably summer of 2007. I guess the studio big wigs were satisfied with the commercial and critical appeal of the uber-cool SIN CITY that they jumped on the shooting back to back sequels bandwagon. Further, Rodriguez plans to start shooting a film titled CONAN for Warner Bros. after he's done with the sequels. We're not sure whether CONAN is the same sequel that's been in development for a few years now, Conan O'Brien's scintillating tell-all autobiography or something completely original.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=7308

[RocShemp]

Cool! :thumbsup: Can't wait to see Conan - err - Sin City 2 and Sin City 3!

[PopcornTreeCt]

Greatest frickin' news!!!!!

[Brain Stew]

Back-to-back sequels never work.

Just look at Back to the Future II and III

And Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions.

[PopcornTreeCt]

Back-to-back sequels never work.

Just look at Back to the Future II and III

And Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions.

Are you serious? Back to the Future Part 2 is better than the first one. Part 3 could have been better but oh well.

[Elldubtoo]

Are you serious? Back to the Future Part 2 is better than the first one. Part 3 could have been better but oh well.

No he wasn't serious. He just decided to crack a joke out of the blue like that.

[Matthew Chmiel]

Back-to-back sequels never work.

Just look at Back to the Future II and III

And Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions.
And you just happen to be an elitist film snob.

I happen to like both Back to the Future films and I happen to love both Matrix sequels.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

He doesn't care for a few films that you happen to enjoy? MY GOD WHAT A FUCKING SNOB!!@1

-JP

[darqleo]

Back-to-back sequels never work.

Just look at Back to the Future II and III

And Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions.

Having read the rest of the SIN CITY graphic novels, if they do them at the same level of quality as the first one, it should work out fine. Especially if he does get Johnny Depp to play Wallace in TO HELL AND BACK. Oh and more Miho goodness in FAMILY VALUES.

[RocShemp]

I don't think those films and their end results relate well to anything related to Sin City. As darqleo brought out, the stories are there and all that's needed is to adapt them with the same care and quality that was done for the first film.

BTW, i preffer Back to the Future III over Back to the Future II. I like the concept of the first sequel (and it's a whole lot of fun) but it began with too big an inconsistency with regards to Doc Brown's motives. This alone was reason for me to view it as the lesser of the two sequels.

[Sessa17]

I couldn't be more excited. F' the nay-sayers. :banana:

[jaeufraser]

While I for one enjoy the BTTF and Matrix sequels, even if you don't that's hardly a reason to say this will suck. First off, those movies have nothing to do with this one, and precendence means really little. Also, these films are already written, and aren't being built from the ground up after the first film. That reason alone is enough to say these films will kick ass as much as the first, simply because they'll be faithful adaptations like the first one.

I can't wait to see it.

[RocShemp]

While I for one enjoy the BTTF and Matrix sequels, even if you don't that's hardly a reason to say this will suck. First off, those movies have nothing to do with this one, and precendence means really little. Also, these films are already written, and aren't being built from the ground up after the first film. That reason alone is enough to say these films will kick ass as much as the first, simply because they'll be faithful adaptations like the first one.

I can't wait to see it.
:thumbsup:

[Cameron]

Sweetness....Can't wait

[bwvanh114]

Back-to-back sequels never work.I submit to you Lord of the Rings. LOTR is the #1 trilogy of all time.

[island007]

I couldn't be more excited. F' the nay-sayers. :banana:

:up: :up: Exactly
I'm in -popcorn-

[mookyman]

I'm in too.

[Brain Stew]

And you just happen to be an elitist film snob.
I'm not a snob.

I love Back to the Future I. II was good, but could have been better and III just sucks.

Reloaded and Revolutions both suck though. I'm not trying to kill everyone's buzz, just saying that there isn't a good track record for back-to-back sequel filming schedules.

[tasha99]

:banana:

[Sierra Disc]

Not sure where they're going to find the source material, since 3 of the 7 books are already featured in one movie. I don't care for "Hell and Back" at all, although I think "A Dame To Kill For" would be pretty great on film.

Maybe Miller is doing some new graphic novels, which would be pretty darned cool and about time.

[fumanstan]

I'm not a snob.

I love Back to the Future I. II was good, but could have been better and III just sucks.

Reloaded and Revolutions both suck though. I'm not trying to kill everyone's buzz, just saying that there isn't a good track record for back-to-back sequel filming schedules.

I don't know, based on your examples I think there's a great track record for back to back sequels :)

[Dr. DVD]

I too am wondering where he will get the material. He could do "Dame to Kill For" and "Family Values" but I don't see how adding "To Hell and Back" to the fray necessitates expanding it to two movies. My guess is he might do more of the "Booze, Broads, and Bullets" and shorts.

[Josh-da-man]

I'm not sure how they're going to get two more movies out of "Sin City."

All that's left are "Hell and Back," which is arguably the worst Sin City yarn, and some of the stuff in it might not translate well at all to film, "A Dame to Kill For," and "Family Values."

"Family Values" is kind of brief, and a pretty pedestrian story. "A Dame to Kill For" is one of the better Sin City tales, and the last book, "Booze Broads and Bullets" is just a collection of shorts, a lot of them very short.

I'm not really sure how this would work. "A Dame to Kill For" and "Family Values" are both Dwight stories, so I don't know if they'd work well in the same movie.

"Hell and Back" would probably combine well with "Booze Broads and Bullets" since a couple of the longer stories there feature Delia. (Also wonder if Alexis Bledel will be playing Delia in that one. The first movie kind of implied that they were the same character.)

[Amel]

just curious. What's the fallout of Rodriquez getting kicked out of DGA for putting Miller as a director? I don't know anything about the business part of movies. Is this a big deal?

[DRG]

Back-to-back sequels never work.

Just look at Back to the Future II and III

And Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions.

I kind of agree with you here. Now I like the BTTF sequels, but I think if they had concentrated on making one movie at a time the end results would've been better. And the Matrix sequels felt like they had the ideas for one amazing movie, but stuffed it with filler to stretch it into two lesser movies.

That said, I don't think the Sin City sequels will fall victim to either of these problems, simply because of the way he's translating and filming these stories.

[RocShemp]

just curious. What's the fallout of Rodriquez getting kicked out of DGA for putting Miller as a director? I don't know anything about the business part of movies. Is this a big deal?
He resigned from the DGA. He was never kicked out. And as a result he was dropped from directing some sci-fi picture (for Fox, I think) and wont be able to sign on to anything that has the DGA's stamp of approval on it.

[BigDan]

He resigned from the DGA. He was never kicked out. And as a result he was dropped from directing some sci-fi picture (for Fox, I think) and wont be able to sign on to anything that has the DGA's stamp of approval on it.

It was Paramount (A Princess of Mars), and here's a thing from Slate that explains some of it (for the other person who asked):

http://slate.msn.com/id/2116501

[jaeufraser]

I doubt it'll hurt him much. He'll still be able to get financing and make movies. QT ain't in the DGA, and Rodriguez managed to make this star fest without being in it.

[cruzness]

DGA frowns upon crediting co-directors.

[RocShemp]

And yet they have no problem with the Hughes Brothers, Farrelly Brothers, or the Wachowsky Brothers. -ohbfrank-

[jaeufraser]

Their line of reasoning was that those teams signed up with the DGA as a team and always worked as such, whereas this was a one off one movie thing.

[Terrell]

LOTR is the #1 trilogy of all time.

Maybe in your opinion!

As for the news at hand, I haven't even gotten around to seeing the first. So if fans want it, sounds good to me.

[RocShemp]

Their line of reasoning was that those teams signed up with the DGA as a team and always worked as such, whereas this was a one off one movie thing.
So if say one of the Wachowsky Brothers decided to direct a film solo, would he have to resign from the DGA in order to do so?

[Fincher Fan]

So if say one of the Wachowsky Brothers decided to direct a film solo, would he have to resign from the DGA in order to do so?

No, because part of the problem is that two directors can't share the credit hence the credits 'Wachowski Brothers', 'Hughes Brothers', etc. One title for two people.

[joeydaninja]

Robert Rodriguez directing Conan. Wow, I can't wait! I hope Busiek writes.

And who cared if RR got dropped from the DGA, he's more prolific than all of them combined (and at lower budget ;) ) lol

[Michael Corvin]

I doubt it'll hurt him much. He'll still be able to get financing and make movies. QT ain't in the DGA, and Rodriguez managed to make this star fest without being in it.

Hasn't hurt Lucas either.

[Groucho]

Some comments on the Slate article.

George Lucas is a famous guild-quitter. He split with the organization over a credit sequence in The Empire Strikes Back*.Anybody know the story behind this?

Also, regarding the one director per film rule, does this mean that neither Howard Franklin nor Bill Murray are in the guild (co-directed Quick Change)?

[Dr. DVD]

Well, since Dwight gets his new face in "Dame", it would be possible for another actor to play him for most of the story and Owen would only appear at the end. .

One question about the comic story of "Dame" though: are the twins Dwight meets supposed to be Goldie and Wendy? They appear to be in charge of the place at the time, but if such was the case I don't see why Goldie would need Marv later.

[pdinosaur]

Anybody know the story behind this?

it was about the title sequence. i believe the situation was he went straight to the movie, without crediting anyone.

they wanted $$ for it, he ponied it up and then bailed.

guilds, unions. they all suck.

[pdinosaur]

I submit to you Lord of the Rings. LOTR is the #1 trilogy of all time.


i will submit to you that lotr is a bird of a different feather.

the silly argument for this is, these were 3 movies made back to back to back.

the real argument is that there are no sequels in this trilogy. the single storyline begins in fotr and ends in rotk. the fact that it's 3 movies long is in ways a matter of 1) making money and 2) not making people sit through a 7-8 hour movie.

sequels tend to be after the fact movies, presenting a distinct storyline after the original movie's storyline came to a distinct conclusion.

the matrix, back to the future definitely comprise sequels, not continuations *regardless* of whether people claim 'the idea for a trilogy existed all along' because the originals stood on their own.

[Groucho]

it was about the title sequence. i believe the situation was he went straight to the movie, without crediting anyone.Interesting, since this happens all the time nowadays.

[Chew]

Too bad that rule didn't extend to TV shows: there's been plenty of things ruined because I recognized a guest-star name.

[Groucho]

I've seen surprise guest stars on television shows before. For example, when Danny DeVito appeared on Friends I had no idea it was coming, because that show lists it's guest stars in the end credits.

[pdinosaur]

Interesting, since this happens all the time nowadays.

does it? i can't seem to think of any :( it seems likely that it's been repeated.

batman seems to come to mind, but i really can't think of any movie that does this. except animation maybe. hmmmm.

i guess this was released 25 years ago. maybe times've changed ;)

[Groucho]

It happens very frequently. For example, Pirates of the Carribean didn't even show a studio logo!

[Cygnet74]

Interesting, since this happens all the time nowadays.
i think anyone who is "above the line" has to sign a waiver. Paul Thomas Anderson wanted the credits for Hard Eight (Sydney) to start after the film -- like he did on Boogie Nights -- but one of the producers refused to comply.

[Groucho]

Interesting.

It's too bad that opening credit sequences have become a rarity, though. That's one thing that made Sin City and the Kill Bill movies a delight.

[rexinnih]

Two more? No problem, I'll be there.

[Amel]

It was Paramount (A Princess of Mars), and here's a thing from Slate that explains some of it (for the other person who asked):

http://slate.msn.com/id/2116501
Great article. I didn't realize that the ramifications weren't that huge. I was afraid that something like that would make it extrememly difficult for RR to keep directing. And I had no idea that others like Tarantino and Lucas weren't members.

[Dead]

And you just happen to be an elitist film snob.

...

Matthew, comments like this really don't contribute anything to the discussion. Please stick a little closer to the topic.

[AeroStone]

Two more? No problem, I'll be there.

I'll be on those sequels like a hobo on a ham sandwich! :hungry:

[maingon]

Back-to-back sequels never work.

Just look at Back to the Future II and III

And Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions.


what about lord of the rings, they were filmed back to back?

[Jray]

Having read the rest of the SIN CITY graphic novels, if they do them at the same level of quality as the first one, it should work out fine. Especially if he does get Johnny Depp to play Wallace in TO HELL AND BACK. Oh and more Miho goodness in FAMILY VALUES.
Thanks for answering my question before I even got a chance to post it... :thumbsup:

I don't know anything about the Sin City books (save for what I've read here). Good to know that the stories for future movies already exist.

[pdinosaur]

what about lord of the rings, they were filmed back to back?

i repeat, the two towers and return of the king are not sequels.

lord of the rings is a 7 hour movie broken into thirds to literally save our asses.

[majorjoe23]

I'll be on those sequels like a hobo on a ham sandwich! :hungry:

That's the most offensive thing I've ever...

Oh, wait, you said hobo

;)

[Josh H]

i repeat, the two towers and return of the king are not sequels.

lord of the rings is a 7 hour movie broken into thirds to literally save our asses.

True, but Sin City is somewhat similar, in that it's just adapting pre-existing source material, so it shouldn't suffer from being filmed back to back.

I think the problem usually arises with back to back films on new material as not much time is spent on writing the story and dialogue. That's not an issue with Sin City where all they have to do is film the storys.

Hell, they're graphic novels so they already have storyboards so its even easier to do than LOTR.

[joeydaninja]

Well I for one am happy that Robert Rodriguez didn't get to do John Carter of Mars, because now Kerry Conran gets to do it :D

[Third Baseman]

Anyone know if there will be MORE BECKY in the sequels or totally different characters?

[Barry Woodward]

Fantasy casting:

A Dame To Kill For

Clive Owen as Dwight McCarthy
Mickey Rourke as Marv
Melinda Clarke as Ava Lord
Rosario Dawson as Gail
Devon Aoki as Miho
Cary Elwes as Damien Lord
Michael Clarke Duncan as Manute
Kiefer Sutherland as Mort
Michael Madsen as Bob
John C. Reilly as Agamemnon
Brittany Murphy as Shellie
Jaime King as Goldie/Wendy
Jessica Alba as Nancy Callahan
Arnold Schwarzenegger as Wallenquist (a.k.a. The Kraut)

Family Values

Clive Owen as Dwight McCarthy
Devon Aoki as Miho
Ben Affleck as Vito
Casey Affleck as Lucca
Robert DeNiro as Don Magliozzi
Joe Pesci as Spinelli
Michael Chiklis as Vinnie
Rick Gomez as Klump (a.k.a. Little Boy)
Nick Offerman as Shlubb (a.k.a. Fat Man)
James Gandolfini as Bruno
Eva Mendes as Daisy
Salma Hayek as Carmen
Marg Helgenberger as Peggy
Cheech Marin as Otto
Arnold Schwarzenegger as Wallenquist (a.k.a. The Kraut)
Marisol Nichols as Flirting Policewoman

Hell And Back

Johnny Depp as Wallace
Gina Torres as Esther
Rebecca Romijn as Delia (a.k.a. Blue Eyes)
Josh Hartnett as Colonel (a.k.a. The Man)
Jude Ciccolella as Liebowitz
Christina Hendricks as Mariah
Terry O'Quinn as The Captain
Quentin Tarantino as Jerry
Ron Rifkin as Dr. Fredric
Joel Grey as Orrin
Willem Dafoe as Purvis
Kathy Bates as Mrs. Mendoza
John C. Reilly as Agamemnon

Guest cast for drug induced hallucination sequence:

Sylvester Stallone as John Rambo
Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
Ron Perlman as Hellboy
Daryl Hannah as Mermaid
Antonio Banderas as Zorro

[jaeufraser]

i repeat, the two towers and return of the king are not sequels.

lord of the rings is a 7 hour movie broken into thirds to literally save our asses.

I just don't really agree with this sentiment. Not that this isn't one big story, but it's a bit far fetched to claim that the only thing making the three LoTR separate are the credits. Thoug they definately continue in the same vein, there are definite stylistic and editing chioces made to make each film work on their own even if part of the larger story. They're still different films and no doubt would be different (thoguh probably slightly) if made to be one long movie. There's a definite division in how the three LoTR movies are made which goes all the way back to the script.

Either way, Sin City is not one long story. Hell, the movie isn't even one story. This is a different type of film and based on what Rodriguez came up with before, he coudl very well turn out two solid films on more material. I think book fans can say whether there's still enough good stuff to make two movies. The precedence set by other films shot back to back means nothing compared to this film...because, well, it never does. What you have here is great material which, given how the first film was done, indicates that if the other preexisting material is good, so will this considering how faithful it is. And considering that the W brothers, Peter Jackson, and Robert Zemeckis have nothing to do with this movie, it just doesn't really mean anything to use that as a reason why this will suck.

[milo bloom]

BTW, i preffer Back to the Future III over Back to the Future II. I like the concept of the first sequel (and it's a whole lot of fun) but it began with too big an inconsistency with regards to Doc Brown's motives. This alone was reason for me to view it as the lesser of the two sequels.

Dragging this thread further off topic (I haven't even seen Sin City yet), but I'm not sure I'm following the bit about Doc Brown. Part 2 only dragged for me because they spent too much time in 1955.

And while I generally dislike westerns, the whole train sequence puts my heart in my throat everytime and makes Part 3 worthwhile.

[scott shelton]

I happen to like both Back to the Future films and I happen to love both Matrix sequels.

Full agreement there.

[RocShemp]

Dragging this thread further off topic (I haven't even seen Sin City yet), but I'm not sure I'm following the bit about Doc Brown. Part 2 only dragged for me because they spent too much time in 1955.

And while I generally dislike westerns, the whole train sequence puts my heart in my throat everytime and makes Part 3 worthwhile.
In Back To The Future Doc Brown refused to alter future history but at the end of the film he took a new stance ("But then I figured:what the hell?"). Back To The Future ends (and Back To The Future Part II begins) with Doc Brown taking Marty and Jennifer to the future to help out Marty's son from ruining his life with the Courthouse incident. It makes no sense that Doc Brown would be so gung-ho to alter this future even but refuses to let Marty know about his future car accident because he doesn't want to alter the course of future history. That's a big contradiction and it bugs the hell out of me when I watch Back To The Future Part II. I actually liked the revisit to 1955, thus seeing everything again but from a different perspective, and the bit with the alternate 1985.

I really dig Back To The Future Part III because I adore westerns and the train sequence was a whole lot of fun.



Mathew Chmiel/scott shelton:

I think both Matrix sequels are woefully underrated as they are very enjoyable. Same with the Back To The Future sequels.

[uhftv]

There's still some good source material out there, and they have 2 full movies to use them in. Plus there is extended footage from the first to tie things together nicely. They also have Miller working on the scripts, so I'm not worried that they'll be things put together just for the hell of makin more money, e.g. Spy Kids 2 and 3.

[Libby]

Good news cant wait!

[Duder]

They also have Miller working on the scripts, so I'm not worried that they'll be things put together just for the hell of makin more money, e.g. Spy Kids 2 and 3.

So what you're saying is you don't want to see Sin City: The Adventures of Dwight Boy and Miho Girl in 3-D? :hscratch:

[uhftv]

So what you're saying is you don't want to see Sin City: The Adventures of Dwight Boy and Miho Girl in 3-D? :hscratch:


Not if I can help it..

Although if there was a way to make only the female characters 3-D, then that'd be the way to go.

[gerrythedon]

Further, Rodriguez plans to start shooting a film titled CONAN for Warner Bros. after he's done with the sequels. We're not sure whether CONAN is the same sequel that's been in development for a few years now, Conan O'Brien's scintillating tell-all autobiography or something completely original.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=7308

Robert Rodriguez confirmed for King Conan
Posted on Sat, 30-Apr-2005

Mr Film Fantastic, Robert Rodriguez, looks set to helm the next "Conan" sequel.

The Arnold Fans has discovered that John Milius, who has been trying to get a third "Conan" film off the ground for longer than gas has fuelled cars, has been given his walking papers - and that Rodriguez, currently spinning a lot of bank with "Sin City", is the Barbarian's new pop.

"John Milius had a 5 year contract to be on the WB lot, however, after WB gave Conan away to Rodriguez, they decided they did not need Milius and kicked him off the lot without renewing his contract", says the site.

Milius had been working on "King Conan" - which tells the story of the Barbarian and his son - for quite a while. It's believed he recently talked to wrestler Triple-H about filling Arnold Schwarzenneger's shoes, upon discovering Arnold's too busy playing Governor.

It's not known whether Rodriguez plans on using Milius' idea for "King Conan" or whether he's going to start afresh, and whether he's going to try and coax Arnold Schwarzenegger back to the role of Conan or take on Milius' idea of bringing in Triple-H.

We shall see.

[MOVIEHOLE.net]

[RocShemp]

Robert Rodriguez confirmed for King Conan
Posted on Sat, 30-Apr-2005

Mr Film Fantastic, Robert Rodriguez, looks set to helm the next "Conan" sequel.

The Arnold Fans has discovered that John Milius, who has been trying to get a third "Conan" film off the ground for longer than gas has fuelled cars, has been given his walking papers - and that Rodriguez, currently spinning a lot of bank with "Sin City", is the Barbarian's new pop.

"John Milius had a 5 year contract to be on the WB lot, however, after WB gave Conan away to Rodriguez, they decided they did not need Milius and kicked him off the lot without renewing his contract", says the site.

Milius had been working on "King Conan" - which tells the story of the Barbarian and his son - for quite a while. It's believed he recently talked to wrestler Triple-H about filling Arnold Schwarzenneger's shoes, upon discovering Arnold's too busy playing Governor.

It's not known whether Rodriguez plans on using Milius' idea for "King Conan" or whether he's going to start afresh, and whether he's going to try and coax Arnold Schwarzenegger back to the role of Conan or take on Milius' idea of bringing in Triple-H.

We shall see.

[MOVIEHOLE.net]
I think Robert Rodriguez is great and all but, if this is true, I don't like this bit of news one bit. :thmbsdwn:

I was really hoping to see Milius' intended ending to the Conan series. :(

[Mustard_Plug]

It has been confirmed and suspicisions proven write that Frank Miller will write further chapters for the movie.

Meanwhile, 'The Urge to Purge' wrote in with this "A contact of mine asked Rodriguez about the Sin City "back to back" rumor and found out that it is indeed true. He asked him how can there be enough material for two more movies and Rodriguez answered that " (Frank) Miller is going to write more chapters for the films".

[thephantom]

It has been confirmed and suspicisions proven write that Frank Miller will write further chapters for the movie.

Meanwhile, 'The Urge to Purge' wrote in with this "A contact of mine asked Rodriguez about the Sin City "back to back" rumor and found out that it is indeed true. He asked him how can there be enough material for two more movies and Rodriguez answered that " (Frank) Miller is going to write more chapters for the films".


That's the first thing I assumed when I heard the news. All the people at the begining of the thread saying it can't be true cause there's not enough source material, hah. It's not like miller is dead or in a coma or something. I wouldn't be suprised to see one of the movies be all new source material.

[Mustard_Plug]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing while reading the thread before it became too weird. Frank Miller is still doing comics, so i dont know how people didnt put two and two together.

[DJ_Spyder]

That's good to hear that Miller and Rodriguez will be making two more sequels and shot back to back no less mmmmmmm Miho. Any announcement on the release date of the Sin City dvd?

[Matthew Chmiel]

There's still some good source material out there, and they have 2 full movies to use them in. Plus there is extended footage from the first to tie things together nicely. They also have Miller working on the scripts, so I'm not worried that they'll be things put together just for the hell of makin more money, e.g. Spy Kids 2 and 3.
Hey, I actually enjoyed Spy Kids 2.

Now Spy Kids 3... don't get me started on that piece of shit...

[LorenzoL]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4561547.stm

Sin City writer defends violence
By Caroline Briggs
BBC News entertainment reporter in Cannes

Comic book writer Frank Miller has defended the violence in the film Sin City, which is up for the Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes film festival.
Miller, who co-directed the £24m film with Robert Rodriguez, deflected criticism that violent films might contribute to a more violent society.

He said the bloodshed and brutality in the film noir, which is based on his graphic novels, are very "stylised".

Bruce Willis, Clive Owen and Jessica Alba star in the film.

Sin City, which is almost entirely in black and white, is one of 21 films in contention for the prestigious Palme d'Or prize.

"Violence is a real catchy buzzword these days," Miller told a press conference.

"Considering most drama since The Iliad and before is extremely violent - because that's how people work problems out - it's a bit ridiculous.

"I don't believe in the "monkey see, monkey do" theory of entertainment.

"The Japanese have the most violent fiction and movies in the world and they have among the lowest crime rate."

Scenes in the ultra-violent movie include a man's arm being shot off, women's heads mounted on plaques hanging on the wall and a severed head being put on a table.

British actor Owen plays a former-photographer and is one of the film's only "good" characters.

Mickey Rourke plays a street-fighter out to avenge a woman's death while Bruce Willis - who was not at the festival - plays a policeman who is jailed for a crime he did not commit.

Owen said: "Getting involved with this project was a huge deal for me. When I first saw the finished film I was completely blown away."

Rodriguez, who wore his trademark cowboy hat, said he was pleased to be in Cannes, the "home" of film noir.

He added work had already started on a sequel to Sin City, and would feature many of the same characters.

He added that the next film would be based on Miller's book, A Dame to Kill For.

[gerrythedon]

Fantasy casting:

Family Values
Salma Hayek as Carmen


Once Upon A Time in Sin City

He couldn't find a spot for her in "Sin City" but Robert Rodriguez thinks he can squeeze her into the impending follow-up.

The filmmaker says he's keen to work with Hayek - who did Rodriguez's "Desperado" films and "Spy Kids 3D" - anytime, and if it works out, we'll be seeing her adorable mug in "Sin City 2" in 2006.

"I always consider Salma for my projects, even for male roles", JoBlo.com quotes the Texan. He added, "but yes, there is a character that suits her in this new movie."

At this stage, Mickey Rourke is the only one confirmed for the sequel.

[MOVIEHOLE.net]

[Dr. DVD]

Once Upon A Time in Sin City


At this stage, Mickey Rourke is the only one confirmed for the sequel.

[MOVIEHOLE.net]


No Clive Owen or Rosario Dawson? Given that Owen's character spends most of his story in Dame with a different face, they could pull it off without much effort, aside from maybe the last ten minutes or so.

If they make one of "To Hell and Back" , I think they should stick with the idea of Johnny Depp for the lead, Kate Bosworth as the girl who tries to trick his character, and while many might disagree, I think they should try to get Marcia Cross as Mariah (this would stay with the trend of casting people against type, like they did with Rory from Gilmore Girls).

[mifuneral]

It'll depend on what books are used, I guess. Weren't the best of the lot used for this year's Sin City?

And am I crazy or did they use bits of A Dame to Kill For in this one? I realize it uses some of the same characters, but there were also some scenes in A Dame that were in the film (though that particular story was not).

[LorenzoL]

The filmmaker says he's keen to work with Hayek - who did Rodriguez's "Desperado" films and "Spy Kids 3D" - anytime, and if it works out, we'll be seeing her adorable mug in "Sin City 2" in 2006.

"I always consider Salma for my projects, even for male roles", JoBlo.com quotes the Texan. He added, "but yes, there is a character that suits her in this new movie."


:banana:

[Sunday Morning]

sounds good. the first sin city was pretty cool and I don't usually like comic book/graphic novel type adaptations...

[Cameron]

Sin City 2: More Sinful

[MartinBlank]

It'll depend on what books are used, I guess. Weren't the best of the lot used for this year's Sin City?

And am I crazy or did they use bits of A Dame to Kill For in this one? I realize it uses some of the same characters, but there were also some scenes in A Dame that were in the film (though that particular story was not).


The opening sequence with Harnett was a short (8 pages or so) from one of the anthology books/comics, but the ending , I'm almost 100% certain, was a creation of Miller's and Rodriquez's.

[gerrythedon]

Murphy signs up for Sin City sequel

Adorable ditz, Brittany Murphy, has signed to star in the sequel to the funktastic "Sin City".

"I'm absolutely thrilled. It's exciting to be a part of something so big and artistically groundbreaking", says the actress, who played Shellie in Robert Rodriguez's film transfer of the Frank Miller comic.

"I love the film and I'm ecstatic to be working with director Robert Rodriguez and the crew again."

Also signed up for a second bout in film noir-ville is Mickey Rourke, reprising his role as the over-sized mean machine, Marv.

It's going to be quite a hefty twelve months for Murphy. She's just completed voicing a character in George Miller's "Happy Feet", and has no less than five other films due out for release in 2006 : Including "The Groomsmen" with Edward Burns, and "Love and Other Disasters" with Orlando Bloom.

MOVIEHOLE.net

[Nesbit]

Does Marv have a large role in other stories?

[Barry Woodward]

In "A Dame To Kill For" he is Dwight's sidekick.

[Fincher Fan]

I'm looking forward to both of these since the first was even better than I thought it could be.

[gerrythedon]

During his roundtable interview for upcoming release of Sin City on DVD we got a chance to talk to Robert Rodriguez about his upcoming projects.

First up both Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino are writing a double feature exploitation film, called "Grind House," it's two movies as one. Basically they will be an hour apiece, and in between each film they will have fake trailers. Each film is going to be written and directed by them. Rodriguez also mentioned that the film will have a “Drive-In feel” and that he will start shooting it as soon as he is done writing it. The film will be shot in Austin in the Fall; he will also be the DP for Quentin Tarantino one hour of the film. The Weinstein Co will distribute Grind House.

Robert is LA on vacation but actually staying at Quentin Tarantino's house and writing.

When asked if he will be directing anything for TV like Quentin Tarantino did for CSI, Rodriguez mentioned that he would be directing a George Lopez Show episode. You will know which episode he is directing cause you will recognize his style.

Whether or not the Spy Kids Franchise is over? “We might do an animated straight to DVD thing, that will be it. Couldn’t do a live action thing, kids are too big,” says Rodriguez.

Now as for Sin City 2, the film will be based on A Dame to Kill For, and the following characters will be coming back Marv, Gail, Dwight, Goldie/Wendy and Shellie plus some new characters he wouldn't mention at this time cause you know...the trades need to announce it.

LATINOREVIEW.com

[darqleo]

.... "Grind House," it's two movies as one..... The Weinstein Co will distribute Grind House.

Which means it'll end up as 2 movies and Tarantino will be bullied into agreeing with the decision as if it was his intent all along.
;)

[Randy Miller III]

Sin City 2: More Sinful
<i>2 Sin 2 City</i>? ;)

[mikewendt]

Rodriguez mentioned that he would be directing a George Lopez Show episode. You will know which episode he is directing cause you will recognize his style.
3D or lots of usage with a Guachomole Gun...:johnwoo:

[gerrythedon]

"Sin City" scribe and co-director Frank Miller has revealed to Now Playing Magazine that he and director Robert Rodriguez are "working on the final touches of how the story [for Sin City 2] is going to work, and we're right now planning to start shooting in January."

While this may seem like an accelerated timetable, the push can be attributed to the first film's box office success as well as Rodriguez's inability to remain idle. "Robert doesn't mess around - he gets right to it," Miller explains. It's unknown at this time whether Miller will make another cameo in the new movie - in the first, he played a priest murdered by Mickey Rourke's Marv character.

Miller also notes that the plot for the second film will come from his acclaimed Sin City graphic novel A Dame To Kill For, "plus a new story that I've created for [the movie] that weaves in and out of the larger story." This should comfort fans who are worried that the film franchise will end when the previously-published material runs out. As Miller puts it, "I don't really plan on running out of [material] 'cause I'm still doing [the comics]. ... There's material in my head that could go on forever."

DARKHORIZONS.com

[gerrythedon]

Danny Trejo to Sin

Having been left out of proceedings first time around, Robert Rodriguez is recruiting old pal Danny Trejo for the "Sin City" sequel, says Superhero Hype.

Trejo, who appears in most of Rodriguez's films, told attendees at this year's Maryland Horrorfind Weekend that although he's signed to appear in "Sin City 2 : A Dame to Kill For", he doesn't have a name for his character yet - as the script's still being penned.

MOVIEHOLE.net

[Barry Woodward]

IGN: A Dame to Kill For is supposed to be the focus of the second film. Will you interpolate other stories into that narrative as you did with the first Sin City?

Miller: It's going to be A Dame to Kill For and I'm right now crafting a new story that's going to be weaved in through it, and what I have in mind involves Nancy Callahan after Yellow Bastard, and it's kind of a shocking new version of Nancy.

IGN: Are you concerned at all that Jessica Alba might not be willing to go in this new direction with Nancy, since she had some reservations about the role in the first film?

Miller: You can't do this job and think that way. You have to proceed assuming you're going to get everything you want, and so I write a story assuming I'll get Jessica. I know that when I do a story and it's good, actors love to know that the guy writing it knows what he's talking about, and I have no doubt that if we can get Jessica on board for this, she and I will work very well [together] again.

IGN: Is there a name for that segment yet?

Miller: Yeah, but I'm not telling you (laughs). I do, but I really don't want to talk about it; I'm kind of superstitious, and I'm always afraid I'll ruin something if I talk about it too much.

IGN: Have you and Robert assessed whether or not you have enough material to make a third film, if the opportunity arises?

Miller: Oh, we've got so much material that it's ridiculous. I mean, I would love to shoot Family Values, and that's a pretty rich piece of work. With the first Sin City, because Robert's a very good editor, he really wanted to make it jam-packed, and he was able to cut the stories down in size in ways that shocked me. Now that we've got success on our hands and we can breathe a little bit, I want to use it. So if you're asking me 'is there going to be a third,' my question is 'is there going to be a fifth?'

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/643/643778p1.html
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/643/643778p2.html

[Professor Frink]

Having been left out of proceedings first time around, Robert Rodriguez is recruiting old pal Danny Trejo for the "Sin City" sequel, says Superhero Hype.

:up: Great news, he's a bad mofo!

http://www.pocho.com/news/desperado_20.jpg

[GameGenie]

I hope these movies are at least half as good as the first one.

[movieking]

Just watched the first one again this morning, and once again, loved it.

I did a quick search here, but I didn't find it (I sure it has been probably mentioned) but what was the purpose of Josh Hartnett's character in Sin City? I know someone mentioned that it was about 8 pages of one of the stories, but does his character show up in any of the other stories? Just curious.

[nightmaster]

Making II and III at the same time when everyone is available rather than looking at schedules that go against this makes much more sense.

[Barry Woodward]

I did a quick search here, but I didn't find it (I sure it has been probably mentioned) but what was the purpose of Josh Hartnett's character in Sin City? I know someone mentioned that it was about 8 pages of one of the stories, but does his character show up in any of the other stories? Just curious.His character in the movie's credits was called The Man. He appears in the Sin City books Booze, Broads & Bullets and Hell & Back. Those that know him call him Colonel. Frank Miller himself confirmed it in the letter section at the end of one of the issues.

[Wazootyman]

Making II and III at the same time when everyone is available rather than looking at schedules that go against this makes much more sense.

Although Rodriguez is pretty flexible when it comes to shooting. He shoots quickly, and the actors are only on set for a short time. Furthermore, he also shoots some people at separate times and comines them in post (for example, Bruce Willis and Britany Murphy didn't meet until the premiere, despite sharing an insignifigant scene)

[gerrythedon]

Ok, so we all know that there will indeed be a 'Sin City 2' based upon a few more comics in the series but which ones will be told? not really sure, or are we. Apparently some storyline details have been leaked and if you want to know just what you are in for with the upcoming sequel, take a read on down for the details. I should warn you if you haven't seen the first yet, there are spoilers, so read ahead with your own caution.

Wikipedia Reports:

Frank Miller has confirmed that he is working on new Sin City storylines. The following have been mentioned:

-Nancy avenges Hartigan's death by killing remaining members of the Roark family. Miller says this will show "a whole new side of Nancy." This story has been confirmed as one of the main stories for the planned movie Sin City 2.

-A prequel story about Hartigan

-A story with a brand new character

Although there has been much fan speculation on specifics (as well as how many stories Miller will publish in total), few details have been verified thus far.

freezedriedmovies.com

[Duder]

-Nancy avenges Hartigan's death by killing remaining members of the Roark family. Miller says this will show "a whole new side of Nancy." This story has been confirmed as one of the main stories for the planned movie Sin City 2.

-A prequel story about Hartigan

-A story with a brand new character
Wow. As far as I'd heard, Sin City 2 would be mostly based on A Dame to Kill For, but whether we get these new stories in SC2 or SC3, I'm very excited for them.

Besides being hot, I thought Nancy was a promising character that I'd like to see more of. It'd also be great to see more of Hartigan, as he was my favorite male lead character in the stories told in the first Sin City movie. I'd normally balk at the idea of a prequel story, but if Miller's writing it, I'm sure it'd be good. :up:

[joshd2012]

I haven't read the entire thread, so please don't kill me if this has been previous discussed, but doesn't anyone else fear the "Matrix effect" will overcome these movies. The first Matrix was awesome because it was original and a wake-up for Hollywood. The sequels were filmed back to back and were definitely not as well done as the original. Does anyone see this happening again with Sin City?

[majorjoe23]

Well, as long as they use "A Dame to Kill For," they will have one of the strongest Sin City stories as a backbone.

[Fok]

I wonder if the planned SE release of Sin City will be put on hold, or if there will be triple dipping

[FinkPish]

I haven't read the entire thread, so please don't kill me if this has been previous discussed, but doesn't anyone else fear the "Matrix effect" will overcome these movies. The first Matrix was awesome because it was original and a wake-up for Hollywood. The sequels were filmed back to back and were definitely not as well done as the original. Does anyone see this happening again with Sin City?
You seem to be confusing the issue. For the people who disliked the Matrix sequels, I would say that the disappointment came from the direction of the story, not the fact that the sequels were filmed concurrently. To me, the fact that two movies, sequels or otherwise, were filmed at the same time has no bearing on their quality. Take a look at LOTR, which were 3 movies shot concurrently.

[dolphinboy]

Any chance we'll see more of Becky?

[Yocke]

Any chance we'll see more of Becky?

Not likely. In the comics she was killed in the firefight. The last part with Josh Hartnet was constructed strictly for the film. Dunno if she'll die in the shootout in the director's cut.

[Toben]

I wonder if the planned SE release of Sin City will be put on hold, or if there will be triple dipping

If they postpone the release of the SE I think some people on the forums would have a heart attack ;) Remember what happened last time (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=437359&page=5&pp=25&highlight=sin+city+extended) (see post 124 onward)?

[dolphinboy]

Not likely. In the comics she was killed in the firefight. The last part with Josh Hartnet was constructed strictly for the film. Dunno if she'll die in the shootout in the director's cut.

But aren't the films going to be about things from the past; things that took place before the things we saw in the 1st film? So, was she a part of any other stories that are possibly being considered for the sequals?

[Yocke]

But aren't the films going to be about things from the past; things that took place before the things we saw in the 1st film? So, was she a part of any other stories that are possibly being considered for the sequals?
She's not in any of the other stories from what I can remember. That's not to say she won't be in any of the new stories he's writing though.

[gerrythedon]

Earlier this week we reported about the upcoming Sin City 2 and its plot. Well today we got an email from Will who went right to Robert Rodriguez to get the low down on Sin City 2.

“Yeah, Frank Miller is writing some completely new material for the movie,” he told us, kicking back in his Austin edit suite. “I want to mix it. I want to do something original, so people can’t buy the book and know how it’s going to end already.”

I dont doubt Robert is going to kick some ass in this new sequel. I gotta tell you the name Frank Miller & Robert Rodriquez are two names I would like to see together for a long time to come. Also on another note Jessica Alba is on board according to the English magazine ZOO. Everyone look around at each other now and pretend you are surprised that Jessica Alba has signed on to reprise her role in the upcoming Sin City 2. The first one really exploded her career and in the 2nd one she will have an even larger role as we reported earlier.

MOVIESONLINE.ca

[dolphinboy]

She's not in any of the other stories from what I can remember. That's not to say she won't be in any of the new stories he's writing though.

Doesn't look good if she wasn't in any other stories.

Darn, I thought that was a great role for Alexis and she played it very well.

Thanks for the info.

[vasb]

Title says it all. Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if its already posted, but I can definitely tell you that Sin City 2 and 3 are most definitely not being shot back to back.

[FinkPish]

Title says it all. Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if its already posted, but I can definitely tell you that Sin City 2 and 3 are most definitely not being shot back to back.
O........K, got anything to back that up?

[vasb]

O........K, got anything to back that up?

Sorry, just realized with you comment that I did't post any qualifications. I'm a huge Sin City fan and work for Dimension. Recently checked about what's going on with Sin City 2 - it is being filmed in Austin, but Sin City 3 is not, theyre going to do it separately after 2 is released.

[fryinpan1]

I started this thread in the TV forum, and here is a link:

Sin City TV Series in the Works
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=442596

[joshd2012]

You seem to be confusing the issue. For the people who disliked the Matrix sequels, I would say that the disappointment came from the direction of the story, not the fact that the sequels were filmed concurrently. To me, the fact that two movies, sequels or otherwise, were filmed at the same time has no bearing on their quality. Take a look at LOTR, which were 3 movies shot concurrently.

My concern is that comercial sucess will bury these films, as it did the Matrix films. Matrix was a huge hit, so they filmed the sequels thinking that no matter what the story was, they would be sucessful. It is true, in a sense, since they made so much money, but they definitely failed to maintain the quality after the first Matrix. I fear that the same thing will happen here. They will try to do too much with the sequels and just ruin the films.

I just got that strange feeling from what I've been reading. They need to emulate what they did on the first film. Even in this thread, there is talk of re-writing. Just not a good feeling.

[gerrythedon]

Here's our very own Todd Doogan with some Rumor Mill musings:

Lookie, lookie, lookie here. I'm in no way, shape or form a gossip junkie, but I stumbled upon this story in The New York Daily News last week. If you read between the lines in that second paragraph... to me it clearly says that Angelina Jolie will be playing Ava in the new Sin City flick that's coming to us end of this year/beginning of next. She. Is. Perfect. Seriously.

Ava is the femme fatale from the Sin City story A Dame to Kill For, which would be a prequel to both A Hard Goodbye and Big Fat Kill, and is one of Frank Miller's best. Ava's a raven-haired beauty, one of the most beautiful women on the planet - the kind of woman who can make cool as a cucumber Dwight completely loose it. And most of the novel, we focus on her body in silhouette and her beautiful mouth. Besides looking just like Ava in the comic, I mean, can you picture a better body or mouth? Here's some pics of Ava "in the ink" from Sin City artwork... http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#020106

Jolie will have her baby in June, and should be back in shape a few weeks to a month after... so that leaves her the right amount of time to shoot her stuff. I dunno, but I'm pretty excited now.

Anyway, check out the story and see if you can come to the same conclusions as me... - TD

THEDIGITALBITS.com

[smw356]

The LOTR analogy that was made is definately the more accurate than the matrix/botf ones. Its not a case of some hokey bullshit story being invented on the fly to fit into the world that was hurridly created to cash in on the popularity of the first. As long as the same care is taken with the adapatation of the source material these will turn out to be comparable to the first at the worst.

[gerrythedon]

Miller on Sin City 2

An original story makes the film a true sequel.

February 17, 2006 - Little Nancy Callahan is making a return in Sin City 2. At last week's WonderCon in San Francisco, Frank Miller spoke briefly on the sequel to 2005's Sin City. Filming is expected to being in May or June, meaning that a spring 2007 release is likely.

It was already revealed that the film would adapt one of the best Sin stories, "A Dame to Kill For". That, however, won't be the only story featured in the next movie. Miller is writing a brand new story to weave throughout the film. The new tale follows Nancy Callahan after the events of "That Yellow Bastard" and shows how she was affected by Hartigan's suicide.

Several shorts are also going to be featured. Miller hinted that "Blue Eyes" and perhaps a few other shorts from the book Lost, Lonely, and Lethal could make the final cut and see near-perfect panel-to-screen translations.

Casting is still unknown, but "A Dame to Kill For" would bring back several characters from last film, including Gail, played by Rosario Dawson. Dwight, played by Clive Owen in the first film, is the star of "Dame". However, in this story (which takes place before the events of the first film), Dwight has a different face, so it's unclear if Owen would still be cast in the role. Also appearing in "Dame" and likely Sin City 2 are Miho, Manute and Marv. Yeah, Marv is back, albeit in a smaller role.

IGN.com

[RichC2]

I'm still drunk off the style of the first flick, so big :up: on that note.

[gerrythedon]

Jolie Eyed for 'Sin City 2'?

There is no surprise that Sin City 2 is being delayed considering it is a Weinstein Co. production, but this time it seems it isn't due to the brothers 'Stein holding the film for a later release, instead it is because Robert Rodriguez wants Angelina Jolie for a role in the film and considering she is very much pregnant at the moment filming has been delayed.
The news comes to us as Sci-Fi Wire had a few words with Rosario Dawson who starred in the first flick and will reprise her role as the rogue hooker Gail in the sequel. Dawson told the site, "The film's been kind of postponed because Robert has been interested in Angelina Jolie for the lead... But she's very pregnant right now. So that's putting an understandable hold on the film."

Sin City 2 will be based on Frank Miller's graphic novel stories "A Dame to Kill for" and "Lost, Lonely and Lethal" and while we know this, we don't know exactly what role Jolie is being eyed for.

Dawson went on to comment about her part in the flick saying, "I don't think Gail changes all that much from the first film to this one... Gail is always Gail. The only preparation I've had to do was just to stay healthy. I think the main question in regards to Gail is whether or not I'll cut my hair this time. It's starting to get a bit long now."

Jolie's pregnancy was confirmed back in mid-January with an expected summer delivery. I can only assume she will make a miraculous Hollywood comeback and be as sexy as ever once the baby has been born. Jolie will be seen in The Good Shepherd later this year.

ROPEOFSILICON.com

[ReduxGuy]

Lost, Lonely, and Lethal?

Is that the new Nancy story?

[BellsOfWar]

wow, angelina jolie is a potential lead. that sucks. she's a horrible actress but she does fit the role of ava in a dame to kill for. as for lost lonely and lethal, i don't remember that as a title for any book or short story in sin city, though "lost, lonely and lethal" does sound like "delia" from the short story "blue eyes." if they changed the name, it's pretty dumb.

[Yocke]

I don't think Lost, Lonely, and Lethal was a short story. It's not in Booze, Broads & Bullets anyway.

[majorjoe23]

"Lost, Lonely and Lethal" was a Sin City one shot that included "Blue Eyes," "Rats" and "Fat Man and Little Boy." All the stories from it are collected in "Booze, Broads & Bullets."

[gerrythedon]

Bledel Talks Sin City 2

Will she be back for the sequel?

August 9, 2006 - While attending the recent TCA (Television Critics Association) Press Tour, IGN got the chance to chat with actress Alexis Bledel about Sin City 2.

Although it appeared that her character, Becky, died at the end of Sin City, IGN asked Bledel if she would be involved with the sequel since the new movie is going to take place before the events in the first film.

"Apparently, she doesn't die, which I'm very excited about," Bledel revealed, adding, "I haven't talked to (writer-director Robert Rodriguez) yet, no. But there have been conversations about my involvement, so I'm excited. Hopefully I'll still be involved when it comes time to shoot it."

Talking about filming the first movie entirely against a green screen, Bledel recalled that "it was such a crazy process. Yeah, and I didn't know it was going to be green screen until I got there, and I just walked on stage and it was just a green screen. And I learned it in about 15 minutes, and we just started shooting. It was very quick too. Everything happens really fast."

Sin City 2 is expected to be Rodriguez's follow-up to his now-filming Grind House collaboration with Quentin Tarantino.

IGN.com

[PopcornTreeCt]

Nice to read some sorta news about this.

[gerrythedon]

Rose McGowan replacing Jolie in Sin City 2?

So we all know that Angelina Jolie has been busy and that has been supposedly holding up Sin City 2. That and the fact Rodriguez is busy doing Grind House. But a rumor has started circulating the web that Rose McGowan or Rachel Weisz will star in Sin City 2 and REPLACE Jolie. My money is if it does happen its gonna be Rose. She is already working with Rodriguez and I am sure is like Taratino and loyal to his regular crew ( which she might be part of now ).

Frank Miller's 2nd foray into Sin City will have Nancy avenging Hartigans death by killing off the rest of the Roark family. This story apparently has been confirmed by Frank Miller.

There will be 2 more stories. One will be about Nancy avenging Hartigan's death by killing remaining members of the Roark family. Miller says this will show "a whole new side of Nancy." This story has been confirmed as one of the main stories for the planned movie Sin City 2. There will also be a prequel story for Sin City 2 and on top of that 3rd story which we don't know about.

MOVIESONLINE.ca

[gerrythedon]

Is Jolie no longer 'The Dame to Kill For'?

Proceed as if you're about to step into bed with a Hilton sister- in other words 'with Caution - but nonetheless, lick your lips around this one : Angelina Jolie may be out of "Sin City 2" - she was set to play 'The Dame' to Kill For - and Rachel Weisz may be in.

The gang at Cinemablend tell us that a scooper has informed them that Jolie's deal didn't work out, for some reason or another, and that director Robert Rodriguez is now making the deal with "Mummy" hottie Rachel Weisz, instead.

The film - which will bring back original stars such as Mickey Rourke, Clive Owen and Bruce Willis - is supposedly on track to start filming next year.

Sprinkle it with Salt. Ponder whether you'd like Weisz in the role, then come back shortly to see if it's been confirmed or debunked.

MOVIEHOLE.net



:banana: [if true]

[Sierra Disc]

Jolie would have been awesome, but Weisz is just about as good, and I can't recall her taking on this kind of role before, will love to see her as bad girl Ava.

[GuruTwo]

Man, who does Rose McGowan have to sleep with to get a role in this movie?

[Fincher Fan]

Damn! That role would've been perfect for Jolie. Still, I enjoy Weisz's work more.

[Cellar Door]

I don't think Weisz is right for Ava. Weisz is hot, but not in a "bombshell seductress" kind of way.

[Josh-da-man]

I don't think Weisz is right for Ava. Weisz is hot, but not in a "bombshell seductress" kind of way.

Agreed. She just doesn't seem like she has that edge that Ava needs.

You know, I could maybe see Natalie Portman playing Ava. After watching her do the SNL rap, she definitely has some edge there. Ava needs to be more than beautiful; she has to have a streak of ruthlessness and cruelty as well. (Though I doubt Nat would do the nude scenes. Of course that didn't prevent them from casting Jessica Alba...)

[gerrythedon]

Miller Says 'Sin City 2' Ready to Go

Hoping for a late spring shoot

SCI FI Wire had a chance to speak with Frank Miller and it looks like the highly anticipated Sin City 2 will indeed be filmed this year. Miller told the site "he hopes to be in Texas to shoot the film by late spring. Miller and Robert Rodriguez will again share directing duties on the sequel."
"The script is largely done, and now we're in that limbo zone where we're casting and making script adjustments as we go," Miller said. He continued saying that the second film will be based on the second "Sin City" tale and a prequel to "The Hard Goodbye," which was the basis of one of the first film's storylines along with "That Yellow Bastard" and "The Big Fat Kill."

The sequel will also deal with "a couple of old stories and one brand-new one," Miller said. "The old ones are a couple of 'Blue Eyes' stories, and there's an 'Old Town Girls' story, and the new one features Nancy Callahan [played by Jessica Alba] in a very different, very scary role. I'm hoping we'll start in late spring. It gets pretty hot in Austin, so there might be a summer's interruption there, but both Robert and I really want to be shooting this thing as soon as possible."

Several names have been rumored to be attached including Angelina Jolie, so much so that it has been speculated that filming was delayed due to Jolie's pregnancy.


ROPEOFSILICON.com

[McHawkson]

Great! "The Hard Goodbye" is probably longest Sin City series - cannot wait for it!

[gerrythedon]

Once Upon A Time In Sin City?

When you get that 2008 almanac for Christmas make sure you dig up a marker and pencil in “Sin City 2” on there somewhere - I know, nobody likes to taint a newly bought calendar, but believe me this thing’s sounding damn special.

According to MTV, Johnny Depp and Antonio Banderas – two old pals of Robert Rodriguez – might be reuniting with their “Once Upon A Time in Mexico” director for roles in the visually orgasmic sequel.

"[Depp] was interested in doing the Jackie Boy character that Benicio [Del Toro] played [in the first one], but he was doing that movie 'Libertine' in Europe and it just kept getting pushed and delayed and went right through our shooting schedule," Rodriquez said." "But there is a better role for him in ['Hell and Back']. I kept going, 'Gosh, Jackie Boy is a small part, he could be really good [as Wallace].' When he wasn't available, I thought maybe it was meant to be."

Wallace is a brooding artist who, due to being drugged repetitively, wanders through most of the tale – “Hell and Back” - hallucinating.

“Desperado” star Banderas is also keen to do some green-screen work.

"When I showed him the first sample of the work, he went, 'Man I'll do anything in that. I'll be the hunchback. You have to bring me onboard, that looks amazing,' " Rodriguez recalled. "So Frank met him that time too and he said, 'I have got to find something for that guy. I've never met him before. He's amazing.' [So we're] looking at the cast of characters and [looking] to see where he can fit."


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[Shannon Nutt]

Considering the failure of GRINDHOUSE, I'll be surprised if any studio ponies up the cash it's going to cost to make "Sin City 2". I think both Rodriguez and Tarantino are going to have to have sucess with a much smaller budgeted picture(s) before they get a ton of cash for a movie again. However, this IS Hollywood - I've seen crazier things happen...

[Randy Miller III]

Considering the failure of GRINDHOUSE, I'll be surprised if any studio ponies up the cash it's going to cost to make "Sin City 2". I think both Rodriguez and Tarantino are going to have to have sucess with a much smaller budgeted picture(s) before they get a ton of cash for a movie again. However, this IS Hollywood - I've seen crazier things happen...
Yeah, but the first <i>Sin City</i> grossed over $150M worldwide (about half that in the US).
Wouldn't they look at <i>those</i> numbers before <i>Grindhouse</i>?

[taffer]

Yeah, but the first <i>Sin City</i> grossed over $150M worldwide (about half that in the US).
Wouldn't they look at <i>those</i> numbers before <i>Grindhouse</i>?

Yes and Grindhouse and Sin City are two very different films. Grindhouse was destined to be a cult movie with very limited appeal from day one. Sin City has much more mainstream appeal.

[flashburn]

Considering the failure of GRINDHOUSE, I'll be surprised if any studio ponies up the cash it's going to cost to make "Sin City 2". I think both Rodriguez and Tarantino are going to have to have sucess with a much smaller budgeted picture(s) before they get a ton of cash for a movie again. However, this IS Hollywood - I've seen crazier things happen...
Nonsense. By the time both of the Grindhouse films are released worldwide in the theatres it will make all its cost back and then some. Not to mention on DVD it will do very well. It cost ~$53 Million to make TWO movies. The success/failure of Grindhouse will make no difference on whatever fate lies with Sin City.

[Peep]

Man, who does Rose McGowan have to sleep with to get a role in this movie?

:)

[Drop]

Plus Sin City has Frank Miller's name on it so they can plaster 300 all over the ads.

[gerrythedon]

Originally Posted by GuruTwo
Man, who does Rose McGowan have to sleep with to get a role in this movie?

:)

:lol:

[MartinBlank]

Plus Sin City has Frank Miller's name on it so they can plaster 300 all over the ads.

Because the original wasn't received well? :scratch2:

[BJacks]

Yo crazy if you don't think Sin City 2 is being fasttracked. Weinstein needs a hit bad, and the success of 300 outweighs the failure of Grindhouse.

[Drop]

Because the original wasn't received well? :scratch2:

Of course it was, but 300 made well over 100 million more and for what ever reason had more mass appeal. I see no reason why they wouldn't exploit the fact that Frank Miller had a hand in both projects.

I was just responding to the person that said because Grindhouse bombe Sin City 2 would not get made.

[MGunn]

I hope Angelina still ends up taking the role, but I guess it looks pretty unlikely at this point.

[maingon]

From DarkHorizons.com

Out doing promotions for his new film "Bordergate," actor Michael Madsen brought up the topic of both Robert Rodriguez's "Sin City 2" and Quentin Tarantino's WW2 opus "Inglorious Bastards" in an interview with Premiere Magazine.

Whilst Tarantino is still typing away on the 'Bastards' script, the real revelation are comments about the 'Sin' sequel which isn't moving as well as fans were hoping:

"They haven't shot it yet. I don't know if they ever will. I am not sure [about] the franchise. I think the Grindhouse thing didn't kind of work out... I don't know what effect that is going to have on making Sin City 2" said Madsen.

He adds that the only reason he did his small role in the first film "was because Robert Rodriguez said that if I took that little part I would get a bigger role in the sequel, that Bob would have more to do in the sequel."

And as for that sequel, which was said to begin filming next month - "I haven't seen the script for Sin City 2. I don't know if they are gonna make it. I hope they do. And if and when they do, I will be in it."



I dont think grindhouse would hurt this movie, the first one did pretty good and with 300, I dont see why Michael Madsen would think because of Grindhouse Sin City 2 wouldnt get made

[Dr. DVD]

Maybe they should try and get Michael Madsen's sister to play Ava, or maybe Blue Eyes. She loves doing femme fatales.

I don't really believe what Madsen says. The only way Grindhouse could hurt Sin City 2 is if QT and RR have had a falling out and think the other one might be to blame for its domestic failure.

[Yavin]

Looks like there was some truth to those Michael Madsen comments after all. According to this article here (http://www.filmwad.com/frank-miller-on-i-sin-city-2-i-delays-al-qaeda-and-3d-flicks-2691-p.html), Sin City 2 is being put on the back-burner so that Miller can work on The Spirit and Rodriguez can work on the remake of Barbarella.


Miller says that "Sin City 2 is still likely to happen…just not right away. The script is written and Robert and I are raring to go, but it looks like I'm going to be doing The Spirit first and Robert's going to be doing Barbarella first."


So I guess it'll be, what, another 4 years at least before we seen another Sin City flick?

[MartinBlank]

Sweet!! He's 2/3 of the way done with Batman vs Al Qaeda, since the initial announcement I haven't heard anything.

[BJacks]

I don't really believe what Madsen says. The only way Grindhouse could hurt Sin City 2 is if QT and RR have had a falling out and think the other one might be to blame for its domestic failure.The only thing I can think of is maybe the Weinstein investors won't sign off on "Sin City 2" right now. Last I heard, Harvey was clambering to get it made after "300"'s success.

[Artman]

The only thing I can think of is maybe the Weinstein investors won't sign off on "Sin City 2" right now.

It's got more in common with 300 than Grindhouse that's for sure, so I don't know what the problem would be on that end. I think it just came down to scheduling and other movies getting moving faster... and maybe RR is still holding out hope for Jolie changing her mind next yr.

RR moves pretty fast on his films, so this may only be yr delay.

[Dr. DVD]

If RR feels that only Jolie can play the part, then I would not be surprised at him waiting until she is available.

[gerrythedon]

Miller On "Sin"

At the Warner Home Video panel at today's San Diego Comic Con, Frank Miller revealed that "Sin City 2" has been delayed due to issues within the Weinstein Company.

He confirmed that he and Robert Rodriguez have a script ready - an adaptation of "A Dame to Kill" and some of the book's other short stories - but left the cryptic hint that the Weinstein's themselves are part of the hold up - likely tying into the fledgling distributor's lack of success so far at the box-office.


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[stingermck]

Looks like Mickey cant be bothered with a sequel. Guess thats what happens when your suddenly being groomed for an Oscar.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/sincitynews.php?id=7885

A couple days ago, MTV's Splash Page chatted up actor Mickey Rourke at a party for Fox Seachlight and the results of that discussion (which you can read here) seemed to indicate that both Frank Miller and Mickey were ready to go on the long-delayed Sin City 2.

At the junket for Darren Aronofsky's The Wrestler in which Rourke gives a heartbreaking performance as Randy "The Ram" Robinson, a has-been wrestler trying to go out in a blaze of glory, he told ComingSoon.net/Superhero Hype! that he's not as gung-ho about returning to play Marv as he might have been last week.

"No, I'm not interested in that right now. That's not a reality right now. It's pissing in the wind," Rourke admitted. "There's different factions going different directions there. I don't know. That's three hours of make up and I'm claustrophobic, so I'm going to have to work something out."

Who knows how much of a role Marv would have played in the sequel considering that it was to be based around the mini-series "A Dame to Kill For" but Marv was always kind of in the background even in the stories that didn't feature him, so hopefully, they can work things out.

In the meantime, Rourke told us he was really digging the movie he was currently working on, 13, Gela Babluani‘s remake of his own French film 13 Tzameti, but he told us that the character he plays is a new one not in the original movie.

[troystiffler]

Uh oh, Mickey. Be careful. I don't want to see you going back to those old 'I'm too good for this' attitudes.

To me, Sin City isn't just some poppy action flick. We only get to see such huge, powerful characters a few times a year. So I welcome the sequel and hope it gets produced.

[Josh-da-man]

Marv has a small role in "A Dame to Kill For" -- He's the one responsible for Manute's missing eye when he and pre-facelift Dwight team up for some hardboiled mischief.

Marv also appears in a couple of the short stories, though I don't know if R wi'll bother adapting those.

Considering Marv's limited role, and that he's basically a prosthetic, it wouldn't be too difficult to recast him.

Not sure what they'll do about Dwight; he'll probably have to be recast for most of the movie with Clive Owen playing him at the very end.

(This probably all academic anyway, since it doesn't seem like anyone is in a rush to get this made. Apart from "A Dame to Kill For," Miller's remaining Sin City material isn't particularly strong.)

[rexinnih]

Damn, hadn't checked up on this for awhile but dissapointed to see the delay.

[devilshalo]

'Sin City' sequel up for grabs?
Dimension's option on rights appears to have lapsed
By Borys Kit and Steven Zeitchik

April 22, 2009, 05:26 PM ET

The sequel rights to "Sin City," Frank Miller's popular noir comic, are being shopped around Hollywood, in what appears to be a sign that Dimension Films has lost rights to the property.

The Weinstein Co./Dimension continue to maintain that they hold the rights to any sequel for the Robert Rodriguez film, which grossed $159 million worldwide when it came out in 2005.

But producers say they have been shopped the rights by reps for Miller's estate, who they say are seeking a new place to set up a potential follow-up.

If the Weinsteins' option did lapse, it could have happened for reasons ranging from development inactivity to a decision not to pay to re-up. Sequel rights generally require a certain amount of activity within a defined period to remain with the original rights holder, though in many deals those periods stretch much longer than the four years that have elapsed since the original "Sin City" came out.

It is unclear what kind of involvement Rodriguez, who directed the first movie and has strong connections to both TWC and Miller, would have with a potential sequel.

"Sin City," starring Jessica Alba, Bruce Willis and Rosario Dawson, was made for about $45 million and told the story of corruption in the fictional Basin City; it garnered praise for its stylized violence and dark themes.

After its release, Dimension quickly put a sequel into development, with Angelina Jolie expressing interest in a role. The project, however, has since languished in development.

Online rumors that Dimension had lost the rights first surfaced several weeks ago but were quashed by TWC attorney Bert Fields, who called them "hogwash."

"TWC's rights to produce sequels to 'Sin City' remain intact as they always have been," he stated at the time. TWC said Wednesday that it stood by that statement.

[fumanstan]

It's weird that a sequel to this has taken so long, given the enthusiasm for it after the first movie.

[majorjoe23]

I would think the enthusiasm that it and 300 generated for a sequel was no doubt muted by The Spirit and Watchmen.

I would still see it opening day.

[Solid Snake PAC]

How would Watchmen affect Sin City? Maybe The Spirit..I'd really assume that Rodriguez would be all up in this too right? I mean it was he who brought Sin City to film, w/ Miller of course. I'd hate to see a solo directed Sin City without Rodriguez....

[majorjoe23]

R rated comic book movie, same director as 300, which was largely sold on Frank Miller's name.

[fumanstan]

R rated comic book movie, same director as 300, which was largely sold on Frank Miller's name.

I don't think Watchmen was sold on Miller's name at all.

Even still, given the first movie's relatively low budget and success, it's not like a sequel would have people predicting a $200 million dollar box office and I'm sure they would have been able to keep the budget increases fairly low.

[Solid Snake PAC]

Really? 300 probably got a lot of bank because of it's trailers...yes, Miller had some part in it's cash flow..but the trailers were super badass showing some awesome action. That sold me more than the fact that Miller had a part in 300's creation. yes, I knew beforehand he did it. BUT my friends all wanted to see it cuz of the great trailers that were for it.

[project86]

Heck, all of M. Night Shyamalan's movies always say "from the director of the sixth sense" and everyone see's them anyway... I highly doubt a name would hurt an average moviegoers ticket sale.

[majorjoe23]

I don't think Watchmen was sold on Miller's name at all.

Even still, given the first movie's relatively low budget and success, it's not like a sequel would have people predicting a $200 million dollar box office and I'm sure they would have been able to keep the budget increases fairly low.

It wasn't at all, because Miller had nothing to do with Watchmen. I just see a thread through them. Watchmen had a lot of "From the visionary director of 300" stuff going on in the ads. The 300 ads were heavy on "From the creator of Sin City."

But considering how much 300 outgrossed Sin City by, it did definitely move beyond the strength of his name.