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Seantn
04-28-05, 04:34 PM
This past week , on 2 seperate occasions, two horses have died during the filming of the movie "Flicka", a remake of "My Friend Flicka".

Filming was monitored by the American Humane Association.

So, how will the credits read? Usually it has the American Humane Association's logo and says "No animals were harmed during the production of this movie"...

I'm not thinking it'll say "Two horses were killed during the production of this movie."

Joe Molotov
04-28-05, 04:43 PM
According to their website:
http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pa_film_ratings

Monitored Unacceptable
The production filmed an at-risk segment unauthorized by American Humane, resulting in injury or death of an animal.

But that would only be used if the filmmakers did something cruel or dangerous with the animals. If the animals just died of natual causes, then they'd probably just just use the "No Animals Harmed in the Making of this Movie".

It's pretty cool reading their reasons for movies they've declared Unacceptable in the past, if you're morbid like that. ;)

Apocalypse Now was filmed in the Philippines in 1979. According to AHA’s research, a water buffalo was hacked to pieces during the making of the film, earning the film an Unacceptable rating from AHA.

Seantn
04-28-05, 05:14 PM
The animals on Flicka didn't die of natural causes...One of them got overly excited and tripped over it's leash, breaking it's neck. The other one, I'm not sure how it died, but i'm almost positive that it too wasn't natural.

Josh H
04-28-05, 05:20 PM
:horse:

Seantn
04-28-05, 05:23 PM
Yep, that was probably how the second one died. :)

natevines
04-28-05, 05:28 PM
Why are so people so damned concerned with the safety of animals on film sets? I read somewhere that, in The Shawshank Redemption, the part where the maggot is eaten isn't real because that would've violated some stupid code. This a maggot we're talking about. A MAGGOT.

Josh H
04-28-05, 05:35 PM
Animals don't voluntarily choose to be in movies. They are being made to do it, so the least we can do is ensure they aren't harmed.

Cygnet74
04-28-05, 05:57 PM
Why are so people so damned concerned with the safety of animals on film sets? I read somewhere that, in The Shawshank Redemption, the part where the maggot is eaten isn't real because that would've violated some stupid code. This a maggot we're talking about. A MAGGOT.you mean the code of "i don't want to eat a live maggot, can we mock up a fake one please"? is that the code you're referring to? :)

movielib
04-28-05, 06:03 PM
Animals don't voluntarily choose to be in movies. They are being made to do it, so the least we can do is ensure they aren't harmed.
Do you think the Flicka people were not trying to not harm the animals? Shit happens.

natevines
04-28-05, 06:08 PM
you mean the code of "i don't want to eat a live maggot, can we mock up a fake one please"? is that the code you're referring to? :)

Doesn't he feed the maggot to a bird? I doubt the bird voiced such a demand...

BigDan
04-28-05, 06:23 PM
I'd like to see a disclaimer like "Many animals were harmed during the making of this movie. Most of them were delicious."

Seantn
04-28-05, 06:32 PM
"No animals were char-broiled...they were all cooked using propane and propane accessories. Especially the ones that were still alive".

PopcornTreeCt
04-28-05, 06:50 PM
I get pretty pissed when I see animals harmed in movies. Movies like Andrei Rublev where its considered "art" makes me sick.

Mr. Salty
04-28-05, 06:59 PM
The animals on Flicka didn't die of natural causes...One of them got overly excited and tripped over it's leash, breaking it's neck. The other one, I'm not sure how it died, but i'm almost positive that it too wasn't natural.
From the AHA Web site:
On Monday, April 11, 2005, a horse appearing in a low-risk scene in the film Flicka was cantering in a circle with a rider on its back. It appeared the horse took a misstep resulting in a compound fracture to one of its hind legs. The horse never fell and did not step into a hole. The horse was well trained and rehearsed for the scene.

Immediately after breaking its leg, the horse was led by the trainer to the trailer where the attending veterinarian administered medical care. It was then determined by the attending veterinarian that euthanasia was the most humane treatment for this inoperable injury. The veterinarian reported that this type of injury is rarely seen and is not preventable.

American Humane’s Guidelines for the Safe Use of Animals in Filmed Media require that all horses, including those used in the filming of Flicka, are cleared by the production company’s veterinarian and are certified to be in good health. This was the case with the horse used for this particular scene, and there was no way of predicting or preventing this injury.

Why are so people so damned concerned with the safety of animals on film sets? I read somewhere that, in The Shawshank Redemption, the part where the maggot is eaten isn't real because that would've violated some stupid code. This a maggot we're talking about. A MAGGOT.
Because animals used to get injured or killed all the time during the filming of movies, especially horses, because it was easier to use things like trip wires to cause horses to fall, rather than use trained animals. Several shots in "House of Flying Daggers" were edited out of the film for release in the UK, because trip wires were used.

Most people don't enjoy seeing animals killed unecessarily for their entertainment.

The Cow
04-28-05, 07:41 PM
pretty sure kvrdave is behind this somehow, someway

:horsepoo:

RyoHazuki
04-28-05, 07:59 PM
Lars Von Trier's new film Manderlay had a donkey killed for one scene. John C. Reily quit the movie over that.

Cygnet74
04-28-05, 08:06 PM
Lars Von Trier's new film Manderlay had a donkey killed for one scene. John C. Reily quit the movie over that.just wanted to add that ultimately, Von trier decided to cut the scene.

natevines
04-28-05, 08:11 PM
Most people don't enjoy seeing animals killed unecessarily for their entertainment.

Killed, no. But harmed/injured slightly? Yes, if it makes for a great scene. You mention the trips for the horses. I doubt any of them died. Limitations like this probably help filmmakers to be less hesitant in using CGI, and that bothers me.
Trip wires are one thing, Cannibal Holocaust is another (though I love the film :))

Cygnet74
04-28-05, 08:27 PM
Killed, no. But harmed/injured slightly? Yes, if it makes for a great scene. You mention the trips for the horses. I doubt any of them died. Limitations like this probably help filmmakers to be less hesitant in using CGI, and that bothers me.
Trip wires are one thing, Cannibal Holocaust is another (though I love the film :))not trying to insult your intelligence or powers of perception, but often times, what appears to be a real animal sustaining an injury was a faked effect. for example, the horses that rode into a wall of spears in Braveheart were life-size models and nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. and with regard to cgi, i think it's advanced enough that the horses collapsing on the battlefield in ROTK were convincing enough. harming or putting at risk a live animal is unnecessary, especially in this day and age.

Rockmjd23
04-28-05, 08:32 PM
Trip wires are one thing, Cannibal Holocaust is another (though I love the film :))

I'd love to see a modern disclaimer for that one. "No animals were harmed during the making of this film, except the turtle, the muskrat, the monkey, the pig, spider, and lots of other stuff too"

Rizor
04-28-05, 08:46 PM
Several shots in "House of Flying Daggers" were edited out of the film for release in the UK, because trip wires were used.Does anyone know if horses were hurt/killed during the making of House of FLying Daggers? I saw the movie last week and some of the horse stunts looked really violent.

Breakfast with Girls
04-28-05, 08:52 PM
Killed, no. But harmed/injured slightly? Yes, if it makes for a great scene. You mention the trips for the horses.Also, it's okay if the neighborhood kids torture your cat a little if it entertains them.

Rockmjd23
04-28-05, 08:54 PM
Also, it's okay if the neighborhood kids torture your cat a little if it entertains them.

Well, that depends. If you can make a funny "owned" .gif out of it then it's okay -biggrin-

natevines
04-28-05, 09:08 PM
Well, that depends. If you can make a funny "owned" .gif out of it then it's okay -biggrin-

Precisely. You guys catch on fast.

Josh H
04-28-05, 09:21 PM
Do you think the Flicka people were not trying to not harm the animals? Shit happens.

I was just replying to the poster asking why we should be so concerned about the safety of animals on movie sets, not anything to do with the Flicka incident.

movielib
04-28-05, 10:16 PM
I was just replying to the poster asking why we should be so concerned about the safety of animals on movie sets, not anything to do with the Flicka incident.
I'd have known that if you had quoted the post you were replying to. Otherwise one doesn't know that's what you are doing for sure even if your post is immediately following. Your post reads very differently in the two different contexts.

Sorry I misunderstood.

mllefoo
04-28-05, 10:45 PM
you mean the code of "i don't want to eat a live maggot, can we mock up a fake one please"? is that the code you're referring to? :)

Here's a little trivia for you: the maggots used in most movies are actually wax worms, which not only tend to be clean and don't stink (as long as they're healthy), but they have a sweet taste. I have a friend who has eaten them, so I'm going by his description of the taste.

If you watch the featurette on Spawn, they talk about putting wax worms on the pizza the clown has to eat.

natevines
04-28-05, 10:56 PM
I read somewhere that Leguizamo ate real worms in that scene.
I'm crestfallen :(

Mr. Salty
04-28-05, 11:28 PM
Killed, no. But harmed/injured slightly? Yes, if it makes for a great scene. You mention the trips for the horses. I doubt any of them died.
I don't know if any horses suffered injuries during the filming of "House of Flying Daggers" or not, and because it was made in China and the production wasn't monitored, I doubt we'll ever know.

But horses used to suffer broken legs all the time in Hollywood and had to be put down. In the U.S., filmmakers now use trick horses that have been trained to fall on cue, so trip wires are not necessary.

It's safe for the animal and the shots still look convincing.

NYSoprano
04-28-05, 11:52 PM
I like this:
In the films, numerous animals are brutally murdered on camera. They include dogs killed in dog fights; bulls; a sea otter; a shark; an alligator is shot; seals are hunted; and one monkey is beaten to death and his brains are eaten.

for Faces of death I & II

Charlie Goose
04-29-05, 07:25 AM
I'm sure Vic Morrow would be very happy to hear that animals are taken care of during movie shoots.

Jaymole
04-29-05, 07:53 AM
I'm sure Vic Morrow would be very happy to hear that animals are taken care of during movie shoots.

Yes, as we all remember hardly any news of that accident made its way into the papers & TV and nobody gave a damn...............give me a break:rolleyes:

Giles
04-29-05, 08:49 AM
I'd like to see a disclaimer like "Many animals were harmed during the making of this movie. Most of them were delicious."

:lol:

covenant
04-29-05, 09:58 AM
I read somewhere that Leguizamo ate real worms in that scene.
I'm crestfallen :(

Wax worms are real worms.

http://www.aqualandpetsplus.com/Live_F113.jpg

Groucho
04-29-05, 10:04 AM
The Abyss is unacceptable because of the mouse-drowning sequence. One of the biggest surprises for me watching the DVD was learning that the whole thing was real.

mllefoo
04-29-05, 10:33 AM
Waxworms are real worms, they just aren't maggots.

My bearded dragons love them.

kitkat
04-29-05, 12:45 PM
I don't know if any horses suffered injuries during the filming of "House of Flying Daggers" or not, and because it was made in China and the production wasn't monitored, I doubt we'll ever know.

Not that it changes anything, but most of it was shot in Ukraine.

Slayer2005
04-29-05, 01:23 PM
The Abyss is unacceptable because of the mouse-drowning sequence. One of the biggest surprises for me watching the DVD was learning that the whole thing was real.


Based on what I've read the mouse was fine afterwards. They used real breathing liquid for that scene (Not water and not liquid oxygen as some call it. From my understanding actual liquid oxygen would probably freeze your lungs.).

Cygnet74
04-29-05, 01:41 PM
Based on what I've read the mouse was fine afterwards. They used real breathing liquid for that scene (Not water and not liquid oxygen as some call it. From my understanding actual liquid oxygen would probably freeze your lungs.).oxygenated perflouorocarbon (PFC) liquid.

inri222
04-29-05, 02:37 PM
Wax worms are real worms.

http://www.aqualandpetsplus.com/Live_F113.jpg

These worms are found in Mezcal tequila.

bhk
04-29-05, 06:46 PM
The way digital technology and special effects are, why harm a living animal?

Buford T Pusser
04-30-05, 12:59 AM
Just saw Jess Franco's "99 Women" and the female inmates on the run hack up a snake with a knife.

Buford T Pusser
04-30-05, 01:00 AM
Oh yeah, I was listening to the commentary for "Garden State" and Zach Braff mentioned the need for a taxidermy gerbil or hamster. He asked the taxidermist and was told, "uuuhhh yeah. I have one. Give me a day or two."

Natalie Portman said "Why'd you tell me that? I'm gonna lose my PETA membership." or something to that effect.

Spiderbite
04-30-05, 01:41 AM
Wasn't there a big stink about Patton b/c a real horse was shot by George C. Scott?

Libby
05-01-05, 02:29 AM
theres an artist where I live and her "art" is hanging dead rabbits