When Anakin gets his legs/arm cut off... What happens to his Mitichlorian count (do they go down as a result of missing extremities)?
chess
04-28-05, 10:41 AM
When Anakin gets his legs/arm cut off...
Worst. Thread. Title. Ever.
Blake
04-28-05, 10:44 AM
DO NOT POST SPOILERS IN THREAD TITLES!
bboisvert
04-28-05, 11:22 AM
In answer to your question... yes, it does go down. At least according to the books and stuff (and Lucas's own comments). How much of that is clear in the final film, I don't know.
That's the thing that I don't think people were expecting. They have always thought of Vader (in the suit) as a complete bad-ass. But when you watch the films I-VI in a row now, it's going to be clear that Anakin/Vader was a bad-ass *before* the suit. Now he has just has a fraction of his former powers, and is simply being kept alive by life support machines.
chess
04-28-05, 11:22 AM
When Anakin gets his legs/arm cut off... What happens to his Mitichlorian count (do they go down as a result of missing extremities)?
Yes, and hence his inability to use "lightning"...or at least that's Lucas' story and he's sticking to it. It may have been his reason for bringing up midichlorians in the first place.
Fok
04-28-05, 12:53 PM
Speaking of which in ESB Vader stopped Han Solo's blaster shots, why didn't the Jedi use that skill in the prequels?
Drop
04-28-05, 12:57 PM
Vader can't use lightning because he is mostly a machine, it would only hurt himself. He is also able to stop the blaster fire because he has robotic arms.
dick_grayson
04-28-05, 12:59 PM
I think the original point of this thread was to spoiler all the people who didn't know about Anakin and thus ruin or whatever it for the fans by putting the spoiler in the original heading. I doubt the OP will post again and is probably laughing that no one was suspicious of a "cool new member" posting a spoiler-subject thread just before the movie is released.
Josh H
04-28-05, 01:05 PM
He joined in June 2000, so it's not like he signed up just to post that.
He probably just didn't think about it, and it's not a huge spoiler anyway as everyone knows that Vader was "more machine than man" and thus has to get seriously fucked up in ROTS.
dick_grayson
04-28-05, 01:06 PM
yeah ,that makes sense. I didn't check his sign up date. well, I didn't know he lost his legs too, though.....
bboisvert
04-28-05, 01:09 PM
Speaking of which in ESB Vader stopped Han Solo's blaster shots, why didn't the Jedi use that skill in the prequels?
Vader is deflecting the bolts with his robot arms -- not with the Force. It's a "suit thing" not a "Jedi thing". At least, that's my take on it.
Josh H
04-28-05, 01:15 PM
Mine as well, just uses the force to guide his robot arms in front of the blaster bolts. i.e. a robot couldn't do it due to not having force reflexes/senses.
TwoDog
04-28-05, 02:10 PM
Sorry to the forum readers for the Uninentional spoiler i put in the title - my mistake but not done on purpose I promise.
Mopower
04-28-05, 02:35 PM
yeah ,that makes sense. I didn't check his sign up date. well, I didn't know he lost his legs too, though.....
That's what happens when you are waste deep in lava.
chess
04-28-05, 02:59 PM
That's what happens when you are waste deep in lava.
Yeah, I hate when that happens.
Giantrobo
04-29-05, 10:51 AM
Vader can't use lightning because he is mostly a machine, it would only hurt himself. He is also able to stop the blaster fire because he has robotic arms.
I heard it explained in the latest "Star Wars: ROTS Encyclopedia" book that Vader can't do lightning <i>specifically</i> because he lost part of his arms.
Josh H
04-29-05, 12:45 PM
That's what happens when you are waste deep in lava.
That's actually not how he loses his legs though...
Obi-wan cuts his legs and arm off before he falls and the Lava and he leaves him for dead
Mopower
04-29-05, 05:44 PM
That's actually not how he loses his legs though...
Obi-wan cuts his legs and arm off before he falls and the Lava and he leaves him for dead
Eh? Close enough.
BassDude
04-29-05, 06:06 PM
That's the thing that I don't think people were expecting. They have always thought of Vader (in the suit) as a complete bad-ass. But when you watch the films I-VI in a row now, it's going to be clear that Anakin/Vader was a bad-ass *before* the suit. Now he has just has a fraction of his former powers, and is simply being kept alive by life support machines.
Agreed. I think Vader has a very short "bad-ass" window...
From the time he betrays Mace to the end of the Obi-Wan battle.
Superboy
04-29-05, 06:16 PM
I always thought that Lucas was just making up everything as he was going along, and that more or less fits with my observations.
With regard to force lightning, I just presumed that only a high-level force wielder (sounds very DDish, I know) could use it, but then become less and less physically adept - which is probably why in the OT we never see Yoda or Sidious use lightsabers. Darth Tyranus using it really surprised me, and Maul never used it so perhaps I was right.
Yes, Vader's suit is made out of Mandalorian armor, hence it is impervious to blaster shots. Also, when Luke "nicks" him in ESB with his saber, he doesn't penetrate his armor, it just bounces right off.
The concept of the lightsaber has also changed over time as well. In the behind the scenes supplement with the OT DVDs, Hamill says that the original idea for the lightsabers were for them to actually have weight, as opposed to be totally weightless as they are now.
BassDude,
Is this from the new Episode III Visual Dictionary??? Thanks!
Giantrobo
04-30-05, 09:20 AM
BassDude,
Is this from the new Episode III Visual Dictionary??? Thanks!
Yeah, that's the book I was talking about in an earlier post.
Superboy
04-30-05, 03:30 PM
That reminds me of another little factoid: the whole concept of the "Sith" and their Red lightsabers was kind of made up as they went along. The original duel between Obi-wan and Vader was supposed to have lightsabers of the same color, but they wanted the audience to distinguish between them easier, so they changed Vader's to red.
Giantrobo
04-30-05, 04:33 PM
That reminds me of another little factoid: the whole concept of the "Sith" and their Red lightsabers was kind of made up as they went along. The original duel between Obi-wan and Vader was supposed to have lightsabers of the same color, but they wanted the audience to distinguish between them easier, so they changed Vader's to red.
Also, in one of extras on one of the Star Wars dvds, I can't remember which one right now, Lucas was saying that he orignally wanted to give the impression that OWK's and Vader's Lightsabers and lightsabers in general were heavy two-handed weapons like huge broadswords. Broadswords take a lot of strength and two hands to wield. This whole thing of Jedis and others using Lightsabers with lightning speed as if the sabers were light weight well balanced Samurai swords obviously came along later on.
eedoon
05-19-05, 10:36 AM
That's actually not how he loses his legs though...
Obi-wan cuts his legs and arm off before he falls and the Lava and he leaves him for dead
:hscratch:
Anakin's feet is already mechanical when Obi-Wan leave him for dead, at least thats what I saw in the movie.
FantasticVSDoom
05-19-05, 10:44 AM
:hscratch:
Anakin's feet is already mechanical when Obi-Wan leave him for dead, at least thats what I saw in the movie.
You may want to check out the movie again...Josh was right.
eedoon
05-19-05, 11:09 AM
I was clearly seeing robotic legs before Anakin was trying to crawl away from the molten lava just moments it burns his robe and eventually himself.
Unless we're talking about different movie, that sounds kinda weird.
bboisvert
05-19-05, 12:13 PM
I was clearly seeing robotic legs before Anakin was trying to crawl away from the molten lava just moments it burns his robe and eventually himself.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them."
Seriously, you've got it wrong. Josh is right. Think about it -- how would he already have robotic legs at that point? It doesn't even make sense.
Kube
05-19-05, 12:59 PM
Bboisvert.....good point about Vader being weak in 4-6. That's really why he needs Luke to defeat the Emperor and rule the galaxy.
Vader does seem all powerful in 4-6 and we thought his breathing heavy - was just scary. It didn't occur to us that he was actually sick and largely defeated.
Which explains why the light saber fights in 4-6 were relatively slower. Although, I think Vader in Empire and Jedi could have easily defeated the Obi won in A New Hope. All the light saber battles have gotten progressively more intense as Lucas the filmmaker explored the fight sequences. Thus there are slight "continuity" problems about Vader's skills in 4-6 (mediocre fighter in 4 and capable in 5/6)
It was also explain why Vader and Luke can jump fairly high for humans but compared to 1-3 not that high at all...in the prequel Jedis can fall for miles without injury...
It also makes the power of the force more foreign to us. There's a part of us that would like to be able to move something with our thoughts...but there other skills seem out of reach..more like superheroes..
eedoon
05-19-05, 02:02 PM
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them."
Seriously, you've got it wrong. Josh is right. Think about it -- how would he already have robotic legs at that point? It doesn't even make sense.
Well it was shiny and looks like metallic. I could be wrong about robotics but it is clear that Anakin still have his legs and Obi-Wan didn't cut it off.
RoboDad
05-19-05, 02:08 PM
Well it was shiny and looks like metallic. I could be wrong about robotics but it is clear that Anakin still have his legs and Obi-Wan didn't cut it off.
You really need to go see the movie again, because what you remember is not the way it happened.
:hscratch: Either I'm on crack (which I'm not) or the Dark Side has got me. :eek:
sinister
05-19-05, 02:53 PM
All i know is mace should still be alive. all he did was lose a hand and fall of a balcony. anakin gets 10x worse and still lives. that can't be right.
Kal-El
05-19-05, 02:57 PM
All i know is mace should still be alive. all he did was lose a hand and fall of a balcony. anakin gets 10x worse and still lives. that can't be right.
You forgot getting the full brunt of Palp's Force Lightning.
candyrocket786
05-19-05, 02:57 PM
All i know is mace should still be alive. all he did was lose a hand and fall of a balcony. anakin gets 10x worse and still lives. that can't be right.
WTF? How? He got the shit electrocuted out of him worse than Luke in Jedi. If he's alive, I would assume he's either brain dead or much worse.
Daytrip
05-19-05, 02:59 PM
:hscratch: Either I'm on crack (which I'm not) or the Dark Side has got me. :eek:
he's shocked silly(and possibly unconcious) and a few hundred stories above ground......i think that makes him a pancake
i wonder if anyone who lives in the depths of Coruscant picked up Sideous' light saber. hmmm what's that shhhhkt ummmmmpf
Rammsteinfan
05-19-05, 03:04 PM
Well Sidious got his lightsaber back from where ever it fell to since he fought Yoda with it...
mikehunt
05-19-05, 04:47 PM
Well it was shiny and looks like metallic. I could be wrong about robotics but it is clear that Anakin still have his legs and Obi-Wan didn't cut it off.
that was his right arm you were seeing
mikehunt
05-19-05, 04:49 PM
Well Sidious got his lightsaber back from where ever it fell to since he fought Yoda with it...
or he had a spare
Daytrip
05-19-05, 04:50 PM
Well Sidious got his lightsaber back from where ever it fell to since he fought Yoda with it...
i know but it gets knocked out of his hand and out the window......he must have a spare or he can really sense his saber well
j_sutton
05-19-05, 06:47 PM
Also, in one of extras on one of the Star Wars dvds, I can't remember which one right now, Lucas was saying that he orignally wanted to give the impression that OWK's and Vader's Lightsabers and lightsabers in general were heavy two-handed weapons like huge broadswords. Broadswords take a lot of strength and two hands to wield. This whole thing of Jedis and others using Lightsabers with lightning speed as if the sabers were light weight well balanced Samurai swords obviously came along later on.
Not to get off topic, but that's the one thing I don't like about the OT. The lightsaber fights are much more dynamic in the prequels. In the old ones, it's like 2 old knights fighting. Slow, not too much danger. In the prequels, a fight is over the minute you make one wrong move.
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