DVD Talk
Car people: Rebuilt engines...Good or bad? [Archive] - DVD Talk Forum
 
Best Sellers
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
The Longest Day
Buy: $54.99 $24.99
9.
10.
DVD Blowouts
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
Alien [Blu-ray]
Buy: $19.99 $9.99
8.
9.
10.

PDA
DVD Reviews

View Full Version : Car people: Rebuilt engines...Good or bad?


seventyeight78
04-14-05, 10:57 AM
I think I have found a nice eclipse that had over 133,XXX miles but it has a rebuilt engine at $5000, now I'm having a disagreement, my dad is telling me that a rebuilt engine is bad, blah blah blah. So I'm here to ask you car smart people, are rebuilt engines a bad sign?

Please put any info you think is neccessary for me to know. I need answers ASAP!

4KRG
04-14-05, 11:11 AM
It can be a bad sign, usually means the car was abused and/or wasn't maintained. This is most likely what your dad is concerned with. The rest of the car having problems due to the same abuse or neglect that took out the engine :)

Now strictly speaking on the engine rebuild itself. As if you somehow knew the rest of the car was fine (ie transmission especially)

If the engine was rebuilt 'the right way, by a good shop' it will be fine. Did the seller have receipts for the work? Can you check the shop out? any warranty?

Minor Threat
04-14-05, 11:29 AM
You can expect to replace or rebuild the transmission soon after installation of a new or rebuilt engine as well.....

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 11:42 AM
Well he had the engine rebuilt at 133,XXX , then he drove about 50,000 on the new engine. Right now its at 52,XXX. So I guess it worked decent. He says he has all paper work for labor done on the car, so I guess that is a new thing. Transmission is manual.

Its a 95 eclipse, 50k(rebuilt), manual 5 spd, turbocharged.

Any more advice guys?

BTW how much would it cost to say replace or repair transmission incase it ever broke down?

weargle
04-14-05, 12:01 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of DSMs. The best advice that I could give you is to find a good DSM forum and ask around there.

The 4g63t is a good, solid motor that should be capable of constant 15 psi boost, my bet is that the original owner got boost greedy and tore it up a little, but probably didn't do any head damage. Any good machine shop can hone the cylinders and possibly overbore and sleeve it if any damage occurred there.

-- Did the other owner replace the bottom end with forged rods and pistons or did he go back to stock?

-- is the car AWD?

-- Chances are that your transmission is about toast too, that's a known weak point of the DSMs, even second gen like you have.

The good thing is that these things are really sorted out, problemwise, and solutions are out there. But they can be moneypits.

1995s are the first year or so with non-popup headlights, right?

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 12:46 PM
yea its the first year without non pop up headlights. Also its 2 wheel drive.

Maybe you guys can tell me more if I just post the link.

http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=180428806&dealer_id=56139404&car_year=1995&make=MIT&distance=25&lang=en&max_price=&model=ECLIP&end_year=2006&min_price=&first_record=26&pager.offset=25&certified=&address=07828&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1981&isp=y&cardist=5

If it somehow does not work, go to autotrader, area code 07828 , its the eclipse with 50k for $5000.

Please help me ASAP :)

4KRG
04-14-05, 01:08 PM
You could do what many people buying used cars do, and that is take it to a trusted/quality mechanic and pay them $50-$75 for a full diagnostic on the car.

I wouldn't consider buying a used car unless I had done the above and/or the car was still under warranty.

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 01:19 PM
Yea I'm having a mechanic with me, he will check it out for free, since he is a good friend of mine.

weargle
04-14-05, 01:42 PM
No, it's one wheel drive. I don't believe that they came with limited slips. He wants too much money. No fucking way would I pay 5K for a non-AWD second gen DSM.

heavywear
04-14-05, 01:56 PM
I wouldn't consider buying a used car unless I had done the above and/or the car was still under warranty.

Had to have my used SUV's engine replaced a few weeks ago, luckily under warranty. 4,000 short of warranty expiration. Bill would have been nearly $8,000 (lexus rx300)

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 02:03 PM
weargle what price should i set him?

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 02:12 PM
By the way, is 80,000 miles bad on a 1990 Nissan 300zx? That is my second choice. 2 wheel drive rear, 6 cylinder, automatic, on 80k on a 90' 300zx?

Help me people. Much <3 :)

weargle
04-14-05, 02:52 PM
Kelly Blue Book is $3300 for that zip code. He's doing a huge mistake of expecting his mods to improve the value of the car. It ain't like the rebuild is 10K old.

It's a ten year old car that has already busted one engine, and the transmission wasn't replaced? (I truly cannot emphasize enough how shitty these transmissions are) How about the clutch? If he didn't do a clutch job (ACT et al) when he replaced the motor, walk away. If he wants >$3500 - 4000 and won't budge, walk away.

Never ever ever ever ever ever fall in love with a car, especially when overpriced like that.

The Nissan will give fewer headaches; is it a 2+2? T-top? Sunroof?

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 05:24 PM
its a t-top weargle. I'll give you a link. http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=174667889&dealer_id=55636450&car_year=1990&make=NISSAN&distance=50&lang=&max_price=7000&model=300ZXTURBO&end_year=2006&min_price=1&certified=&address=07828&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1981&isp=y&cardist=45

Is this a good buy? Perhaps I should tell him to lower price or at least ask?

Mopower
04-14-05, 05:27 PM
With both of those cars if anything goes wrong you will be paying nearly what you paid for the car in the first place. Another thing about an eclipse and a 300ZX is that they probably have had the shit ran out of them.

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 05:58 PM
hmmm. Buying cars sucks.

Mopower
04-14-05, 06:14 PM
hmmm. Buying cars sucks.


Especially when you are looking at 10-15 year old sports cars. ;)

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 06:55 PM
300zx man. Beautiful car man. It might be 15 years old, but its so nice :)

Plus I'm not rich, so recent sports cars are out of question.

Li
04-14-05, 07:36 PM
Look for a 4th generation Honda Prelude (1992-1996). I have a 5th gen '01 and love it.

Forget about the 300zx. They're very nice cars but that one's an auto! No point in getting a sports car if it's an auto!

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 10:07 PM
I think I'll just go with a Galant ES v6. If I cant find v6, I'll go with v4 :)

Mopower
04-14-05, 10:09 PM
I think I'll just go with a Galant ES v6. If I cant find v6, I'll go with v4 :)
Another Mitsu huh? Hope you know a good mechanic. ;)

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 10:13 PM
Heh. Why all the hate on the mitsubishis? :(

4KRG
04-14-05, 10:31 PM
Heh. Why all the hate on the mitsubishis? :(

Because as a base company they are simply dishonest. I guess you don't remember what happened with them??

Here was the first article I found in 10 seconds of searching, look for more and you will find more


Five years ago, Mitsubishi Motors Corp. shocked Japan by acknowledging it had been hiding auto defects for decades to avoid recalls.


http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/03-29-2005/ee8b0013cc84a4d4.html



and I have never been impressed with the lower end of anything that DaimlerChrysler owns.

Mopower
04-14-05, 10:37 PM
I had a 95 Chrysler Cirrus with a Mitsu V6. Blown headgasket after 70,000 miles. Out of the blue. Cost me $1400 to get it fixed. And yes I had an honest mechanic. Plus it got awful gas mileage and was slow as heck for a V6. The tranny was a POS too but that's Chrysler's fault. I'm sure the Galant you are looking at has the same V6.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-14-05, 10:49 PM
ok, the ad is misleading. under mileage, he needs to write 133k. and a rebuilt engine isn't a new one either. what if i got a car with 300k on it, drop in a rebuilt, drove it for 5k, and claimed the car has 5k miles?

Mopower
04-14-05, 10:54 PM
There's a lot more to a car than the engine. The rest of the car still has 133k miles on it. The brakes, tranny, suspension, fuel system, exhaust etc.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-14-05, 11:11 PM
There's a lot more to a car than the engine. The rest of the car still has 133k miles on it. The brakes, tranny, suspension, fuel system, exhaust etc.

i know that, and that's what i was trying to say.

anyway, if it's already been rebuilt once, i'd say do a compression test. you can just test the cylinder that gets the most air.

Li
04-14-05, 11:30 PM
A Galant is pretty different when compared to an Eclipse GTS and 300sx. Are you looking for a sports/sporty car or a family sedan (a V6 does not by any means mean ďfastĒ)?

Everyone else is right, the higher the mileage, the more likely something else could soon wear out and need replaced. The better they're originally built the better they'll hold up in the long run. I wouldn't buy a Mitsubishi with high miles. With older cars you're better off sticking with a Honda, Toyota or possibly Nissan.

The key is deciding what type of car you really want.



I know I bashed automatics, but if thatís what you like, this '96 Celica seems like almost too good of a deal with 37K miles on it (I used the zip code from your other searches):

http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=180212161&dealer_id=56128715&car_year=1996&make=TOYOTA&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=8000&model=CELICA&sponsorModel=&end_year=1999&min_price=1&certified=&address=07828&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1981&isp=y&cardist=58#vdptop

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 11:37 PM
Hey LI thanks man. I'm going to give that guy a call tomorrow.

That 96 celica is really beautiful.

Mopower
04-14-05, 11:37 PM
i know that, and that's what i was trying to say.

anyway, if it's already been rebuilt once, i'd say do a compression test. you can just test the cylinder that gets the most air.


Well I was talking to the OP not you. If I was directing it at you I would have quoted you silly. ;)

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-14-05, 11:39 PM
i don't know what you're talking about :p

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 11:40 PM
Damn it. That celica is more than 50 miles away from where I live. Thats about an hour drive, maybe even longer if I dont find it immeaditly.

Li
04-14-05, 11:42 PM
Hey LI thanks man. I'm going to give that guy a call tomorrow.

That 96 celica is really beautiful.

No problem. Itís such a good it makes me wonder if itís still available, though most people take their ad down once a car sold to avoid inquiries.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-14-05, 11:45 PM
37k on a 9yo car? kinda suspicious...

Li
04-14-05, 11:48 PM
Damn it. That celica is more than 50 miles away from where I live. Thats about an hour drive, maybe even longer if I dont find it immeaditly.

Dude, I drove around 120 miles to get my current car! 58 miles is nothing!

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 11:49 PM
Heh Li. What car made you drive 120 miles? :)

Also someone mentioned 37k in a 9 year old car is suspicious. First thing that came to my mind too. I emailed the guy and asked him if it was a rebuilt engine or not?

w/e

Li
04-14-05, 11:52 PM
37k on a 9yo car? kinda suspicious...

Yeah, it is kind of. Definitely something you'll want to question the seller about, but it's very possible they just drove it rarely. Examining the condition of the car itself will tell a lot.

seventyeight78
04-14-05, 11:56 PM
What would I do without posters like Li. :)

Li, just out of curiousity, what do you do for a living?

Li
04-15-05, 12:17 AM
What would I do without posters like Li. :)

Li, just out of curiousity, what do you do for a living?

Ha, thanks. Normally I don't say much but when someone's asking about what car they should get I feel like I've gotta help, whether they want that help or not. I guess I just really like helping people car shop. It makes me feel like those hours upon hours I spent researching cars before I bought mine were worth something.

I spend my parent money for a living. :) I'm a confused sophomore in college who has no idea what the heck he wants to do with the rest of his life.

Oh, and the car I drove 120 miles TWICE (once to look at it and then again the next day to buy it) in two days to get. I donít have any of my personal pictures on this computer but this is ďmyĒ car (2001 Honda Prelude).

http://www.hondapl.org/prelude/galeria/prelude97-silver.jpg


If the Celica is gone Iíll be more than willing to help you find something else!




EDIT: I found a picture, with the bra I bought...

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Toji73/bra2.jpg

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-15-05, 12:49 AM
Yeah, it is kind of. Definitely something you'll want to question the seller about, but it's very possible they just drove it rarely. Examining the condition of the car itself will tell a lot.

the thing that i'm concerned about is if it wasn't driven for an extended period of time (years), or if the owner used it for lots of short trips like 2-3 miles. but toyota cars are very reliable, so it's probably not that big of a deal.

seventyeight78
04-15-05, 03:29 PM
Nice car Li.

What sporty type cars could I get for say $6000? Maybe $6500?

Li
04-15-05, 04:56 PM
So did the Celica guy ever get back to you?

Li
04-15-05, 06:54 PM
Sporty cars in your price range...



1992-96 Honda Prelude

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/p/mpm261/Honda%20Prelude%201.jpg



1993-97 Honda Civic del Sol

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/3/14/176/473/1326563161.176473215.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg



1994-2001 Acura Integra

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/3/25/180/125/1349650228.180125350.IM1.02.565x421_A.562x421.jpg



1990-98 Mazda Miata

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/3/31/180/406/1360654268.180406764.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg



1995-98 Nissan 240SX

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/4/10/180/964/1382371868.180964072.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg



1994-99 Toyota Celica

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/581000-581999/581612_7_full.jpg

DVDsAreMyLIFE
04-15-05, 07:23 PM
I puke at the thought of owning a Honda De Sol

Li
04-15-05, 07:33 PM
I puke at the thought of owning a Honda De Sol

Uh, okay... bad experience or just hate the look?

DVDsAreMyLIFE
04-15-05, 08:28 PM
Uh, okay... bad experience or just hate the look?


The look, engine, maybe its a honda, or maybe its just the fact that SOME stupid honda boys put spoilers, that do nothing for their car, exhaust tips and all your other typical crap and think they are cool. Sorry for all you import lovers, just some friendly bashing.

seventyeight78
04-15-05, 08:37 PM
I'm really loving the integra, prelude, and the 240sx.

From what I know, not all 240's look like that, I think the guy did some body work to it? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Li
04-16-05, 12:59 AM
I'm really loving the integra, prelude, and the 240sx.

From what I know, not all 240's look like that, I think the guy did some body work to it? Correct me if I'm wrong.

That 240sx is actually 50 miles from you, but the guy's asking $7900, though it only has 50K miles on it. As for the look, only 97-98 models looked that way (facelift). Other than the rims the car's stock.

Mopower
04-16-05, 01:15 AM
Most 240's come with that nissan truck engine. Although it isn't bad it's no SR20DET.

Li
04-17-05, 06:19 PM
So 78, are you any closer to finding a car?

seventyeight78
04-17-05, 11:43 PM
Yea. I went to a dealer that was selling a 2002 Galant. My dad asks for the key, he checks everything, and everything was good until he popped the hood and something in the engine was smoking. So both of us looked at each other and said ''Fuck that''. Dealer pretended he didnt know that the cars engine was fucked up.

So now I'm taking a look at this 2001 eclipse (I <3 eclipses man) , its only got 37k and its in great condition, only problem is its 75 miles from us. I'm trying to get into contact with the guy, to see if we can meet up somewhere closer.

Besides that, there is this 3000gt I'm interested in. 1999, 70k, $7000, it's very nice looking, except for this HUGE ugly spoiler in the back.

Hit me up with anything you can find in this zip 07828, any sporty type cars.

Thanks :)

Li
04-18-05, 07:09 AM
How much do they want for that Eclipse? Sounds like your heart's set on a Mitsubishi!

seventyeight78
04-18-05, 03:09 PM
They want about $6000 for that eclipse.

And yea, I'm really ''feeling'' that car.

Li
04-18-05, 03:55 PM
Huh. Assuming the car's in good shape, that's a pretty good deal. Assuming it's an RS, its private party value is over $8K. Just goes to show you how poorly Mitubishis hold their value! Though when the price gets that low depreciation slows down immensely. That price is worth the trip, if that's the car you want.


Where's the 3000GT at?

Mopower
04-18-05, 04:00 PM
A 3000GT? You really are a glutton for punishment. ;)

weargle
04-18-05, 04:55 PM
What he said.

More problems can be found here: http://www.mitsubishisucks.com/cars/models/

seventyeight78
04-18-05, 10:59 PM
wow weargle. That website scared me. What the hell man :(

seventyeight78
04-18-05, 11:00 PM
But I'm sure it's like that for a lot of cars, everyone has things to complain about. I'm sure if I researched I could find a XXXsucks site for every car maker :)

Li
04-23-05, 11:11 AM
So did you ever make a decision or still looking?

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 03:59 PM
Still looking...

I'm getting frustrated because I want to buy it really soon. :-/

Trigger
04-23-05, 04:42 PM
what about a Scion tc?

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 05:20 PM
Thats a negative.

Trigger
04-23-05, 05:50 PM
too much money?

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 09:01 PM
I'm feeling a 2003 ION....mmmmm

Li
04-23-05, 09:37 PM
A sedan? I really dislike those, though I'm not a big Saturn fan. The coupes are a little better, but I really hate how the gauges are in the middle of the dash.

Li
04-23-05, 09:52 PM
too much money?

I have a feeling that's the case since he was talking under $8K.

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 09:57 PM
Li I found a nice 2003 Ion, only 17k miles on it. apparently the kid who owned it has to sell it because he got his license suspended for racing or speeding. So his parents are selling it for like $8k or so. It's silver, 4dr, manual, he put turbo stage 1 in it.

This is too good of a offer to just let pass by. If I get it, I'll make sure to take pics and put it up tomorrow. Hopefully. Knock on wood. :)

Li
04-23-05, 10:06 PM
Li I found a nice 2003 Ion, only 17k miles on it. apparently the kid who owned it has to sell it because he got his license suspended for racing or speeding. So his parents are selling it for like $8k or so. It's silver, 4dr, manual, he put turbo stage 1 in it.

This is too good of a offer to just let pass by. If I get it, I'll make sure to take pics and put it up tomorrow. Hopefully. Knock on wood. :)

He put a turbo in an ION Sedan? Dude, you really think that's a good idea? It also sounds like he was abusing it to me. I'd never buy a car with an aftermarket turbo.

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 10:11 PM
It sounds really odd. I get to test drive it tomorrow, so I'll see for myself. As for the abuse part, they say it is in excellent condition, and it has a 3 year warranty.

Li
04-23-05, 10:15 PM
It sounds really odd. I get to test drive it tomorrow, so I'll see for myself. As for the abuse part, they say it is in excellent condition, and it has a 3 year warranty.

Of course they won't tell you if the kid was trying to launch the thing at every light. Like I said, I'd never buy a car with an aftermarket turbo, especially if it was owned by some young kid. Who in their right mind puts a turbo in an ION, anyway?




Does anyone else think it sounds as crazy as I do?

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 11:23 PM
rofl :-/

seventyeight78
04-23-05, 11:23 PM
wats wrong with Ions tho, its a decent lookin car

Mopower
04-23-05, 11:51 PM
wats wrong with Ions tho, its a decent lookin car


It's a Saturn for one and for two the guages are in the middle of the friggen dash. Stupid.

Li
04-24-05, 01:07 AM
It's a Saturn for one and for two the guages are in the middle of the friggen dash. Stupid.

My thoughts exactly. :lol:

Li
04-24-05, 01:38 AM
wats wrong with Ions tho, its a decent lookin car

It's a decent car, I just think you could do much better. I also think buying one from a kid who installed a turbo is just a plain bad idea.

I think a good resource are the reviews found on epinions.com. They're written by people who've owned the cars, and can it can give you a good idea of what it'll be like owning one.

Read the ION page. The reviews are less than stellar. Nearly everyone has something to say about the carís poor construction. Personally I've known too many people who've owned Saturns that were less than reliable.

http://www.epinions.com/auto_Make-2003_Saturn_ION/display_~reviews/sec_~opinion_list/pp_~1#list

Like I said, you could do much better, but it's your cash to spend. I'm just trying to give you some advice, for better or for worse!

seventyeight78
04-24-05, 11:04 AM
After reading a lot of the eopinions on the ION. I have come to the conclusion it is a good buy. THe cons are mostly the way it looks, and the design and positioning of things, but hey, everyone has his own taste.

The pros are exactly what I want in a car.
1
Pros: Engine power, front seat room, trunk space...distinct styling?
2
Pros: Terrific engine and highway ride
3
Pros: Price, uniqueness, power
4
Pros: Class-leading features, power, refinement

Power power. As long as the car is running good, who cares about looks. I already like the look, and these comments kind of backfired, it made me appriciate it more.

:)

seventyeight78
04-24-05, 01:49 PM
I just checked it out and its in perfect condition. Mechanic inspected it, it's perfect. I bought it :) Thanks Li for all your help. :)

Li
04-24-05, 02:00 PM
Doesn't sound like I was much help, but you're welcome. -smile- Hopefully you stay satisfied with your purchase. So have you had other cars in the past or is this your first? If you've had others, what were they?

seventyeight78
04-24-05, 05:23 PM
Nah, no past cars. I did drive my dads 2000 Altima quite a lot. Maybe that is why I liked the ION's design, it resembles an Altima quite a lot.

Anyway, I'm happy I purchased it. Next thing I want to do is put in a pioneer sound system, tint the windows, and then w/e else.

:)

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-24-05, 08:58 PM
It sounds really odd. I get to test drive it tomorrow, so I'll see for myself. As for the abuse part, they say it is in excellent condition, and it has a 3 year warranty.

it might be under warranty but if the engine and/or tranny blows, don't expect it to be covered. unless, of course, you want to put the car back to stock before bringing it into the dealer.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-24-05, 08:59 PM
I just checked it out and its in perfect condition. Mechanic inspected it, it's perfect. I bought it :) Thanks Li for all your help. :)

did he do a compression test?

seventyeight78
04-24-05, 09:43 PM
yes.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-25-05, 02:30 AM
do you know anything about turbocharged Ions? How much more HP/torque is it putting out over stock? I'm assuming the car is running stock internals right? How much HP/torque can the stock engine and tranny reliably handle? Do you know enough about what was done to the car to troubleshoot in case something does go wrong? Or do you at least know a shop that can work on a turbocharged Ion?