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dsa_shea
04-07-05, 12:40 AM
I'm referring to the sets that have closed Captioning but no subtitles. They dont come on by using the dvd remote, nor is there anywhere to select the CC in any of the menus. There are sets like C.S.I. that have been said to be Closed Captioned and there are other sets like Boomtown that advertise this. Can anyone help me out?

GHackmann
04-07-05, 12:44 AM
Turn on CC from your TVs setup menu, not your DVD player. Most DVD players won't decode them.

Crow331
04-07-05, 12:44 AM
I always thought that is was a button on your tv remote to display CC, not your dvd player ... but I could be wrong because I have never tried it.

dsa_shea
04-07-05, 12:47 AM
I tried to do it with the tv. I have a Sony Trinitron with like 4 CC options and text options. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Mr. Salty
04-07-05, 03:54 AM
No, it's on the TV just as GHackmann wrote. Turn on the TV's CC decoder. I think you want Text 1.

chipmac
04-07-05, 05:45 AM
If I recall CC won't work through component cables. You need to be using composite or Svideo for the CC info to be fed to your TV.

acostigan
04-07-05, 07:57 AM
If I recall CC won't work through component cables. You need to be using composite or Svideo for the CC info to be fed to your TV.

I always wondered why I couldn't view closed captions on my DVDs. I can only view the subtitles on my setup; I'm using component video cables. Not that I've really wanted/needed to view CCs, was just curious. The CCs work on regular TV.

As the others have said, I use my TV remote to toggle closed captioning, and the DVD remote to toggle subtitles.

-AC

TomOpus
04-07-05, 08:01 AM
If I recall CC won't work through component cables. You need to be using composite or Svideo for the CC info to be fed to your TV.I use component and CC works with DVDs

Wade Kainer
04-07-05, 08:35 AM
AFAIK, the source device must be outputting in interlaced for CC to work. Anytime I use a progressive signal from my DVD player, it has to be subtitles rather than CC.

DVDFreaker
04-07-05, 09:26 AM
No, it's on the TV just as GHackmann wrote. Turn on the TV's CC decoder. I think you want Text 1.

Correction: CC 1, not Text 1.

chipmac
04-07-05, 12:34 PM
AFAIK, the source device must be outputting in interlaced for CC to work. Anytime I use a progressive signal from my DVD player, it has to be subtitles rather than CC.

Maybe that's why I thought component didn't allow CC because almost everyone that uses component is doing so to send a progressive signal.

dsa_shea
04-07-05, 03:44 PM
My cables are hooked up through an s-video switchbox. what I am talking about is one of the system selection boxes (Pelican brand) that allows you to hook up four different gaming systems or audio/video components to one television. You select which component your going to use and put the t.v. on Video 1. Is this the reason why my CC is not showing up on my television? I would really like to be able to use the CC as it will allow me to watch shows late at night while my daughter is asleep. Right now we have to turn the tv down to a whisper as to not wake her while she is asleep. Any extra help would be greatly appreciated.

dtcarson
04-07-05, 04:04 PM
AFAIK, the source device must be outputting in interlaced for CC to work. Anytime I use a progressive signal from my DVD player, it has to be subtitles rather than CC.

Interesting....I have run into this as well, but never figured out what the heck the deal was. I'm going through a switchbox as well: the dvd player's component outputs are thru the switchbox, then component to the 'HD Component' input on my tv. However, I also have S-video run directly from the DVD player to the TV, in Input 3, which is not 'High Def'. I don't do anything special to the dvd player to switch between the two, but I guess S-video is inherently non-progressive.

I guess the switchbox could be 'interfering' with the closed caption data in your case....hmm , but my HD cable box is run through mine, and it shows captions fine [it has two sets of caption settings, Analog and Digital for the HD content.]
Maybe try hooking the DVD player up directly to the tv to see if you can get them at all.
Usually CC1 is the choice you want, and on some tvs its easy to access [my wife's new remote has a CC button], and on some it's not [on mine, I have to navigate through three menus--luckily a CC decoder is also built into the cable box, which is easier to use.]

Julie Walker
04-07-05, 04:22 PM
I can easily access CC on my laptop,thankfully since it shows up directly on the menu.

Meanwhile on my families RCA dvd player(a 1999 model),there is no CC option on the dvds menu. Meanwhile turning the captions option on,on the tv does not access the dvd captions(from what I could tell).

I then looked through our Cyberhome dvd menu and it did have a CC option. Warning it is beyond terrible though!

The captions on this player show up extremely tiny in the lower left hand corner of the screen. It is so small,you can not read the captions at all without major squinting!

Also on that tv,turning on the various caption options on the tv would not access the dvd captions at all either. Only going through the dvd menu,was I able to.


Do most players have CC options now on the menu? I would like too know,for when I buy a new player sometime,once I get my own place. My girlfriend is deaf,and I know we won't be able to depend on my laptop for captions on a regular basis:)

Speaking of captions versus subtitles. Why do some dvds claim too offer captions(they have the logo and everything)...and turn out too have subtitles only?

This is my problem with the Irreversible dvd from Lions Gate. While subs are nice(for those who don't know French like myself),captions that describe more of the sonics going on would be more suitable for when my girlfriend views the film.

Mr. Salty
04-07-05, 07:15 PM
My cables are hooked up through an s-video switchbox. what I am talking about is one of the system selection boxes (Pelican brand) that allows you to hook up four different gaming systems or audio/video components to one television. You select which component your going to use and put the t.v. on Video 1. Is this the reason why my CC is not showing up on my television? I would really like to be able to use the CC as it will allow me to watch shows late at night while my daughter is asleep. Right now we have to turn the tv down to a whisper as to not wake her while she is asleep. Any extra help would be greatly appreciated.
No, it should work. As DVDFreaker wrote, on a Sony Trinitron, you want to select CC1, not Text 1 as I originally wrote. Once selected in your TV's setup menu, you then have to actually turn on the TV's decoder. On my Sony you use the display button, which scrolls through displaying the time, the closed captions, something else, then all display items off.

Check your TV's manual, as well as your DVD player's. Remember, not all DVDs have closed captioning.

It would also help if you tell us what model of TV and DVD player you have.

Mike Lowrey
04-07-05, 07:31 PM
My cables are hooked up through an s-video switchbox. what I am talking about is one of the system selection boxes (Pelican brand) that allows you to hook up four different gaming systems or audio/video components to one television. You select which component your going to use and put the t.v. on Video 1. Is this the reason why my CC is not showing up on my television? I would really like to be able to use the CC as it will allow me to watch shows late at night while my daughter is asleep. Right now we have to turn the tv down to a whisper as to not wake her while she is asleep. Any extra help would be greatly appreciated.

I got an easier solution.

Sound proof the room in which she is sleeping, and then crank up the DTS, baby!

Mike Lowrey
04-07-05, 07:34 PM
No, it should work. As DVDFreaker wrote, on a Sony Trinitron, you want to select CC1, not Text 1 as I originally wrote. Once selected in your TV's setup menu, you then have to actually turn on the TV's decoder. On my Sony you use the display button, which scrolls through displaying the time, the closed captions, something else, then all display items off.

Huh? You lost me, and I too have a Sony Trinitron. All you should have to do is to scroll through the menu and select CC1 for your captioning option and whoolaa. I sometimes use these for late at night Skinemax skin flicks. ;)

Julie Walker
04-07-05, 07:37 PM
Since we are discussing captions. What are your opinions on some dvd companies refusal too CC their releases?

I am mainly talking about Blue Underground here(but the same goes for all those other companies). BU does fairly well with their releases in terms of sales,and budgets to afford rights to all types of films(some go as high as a few hundred thousand dollars to outbit other companies). So the fact,that 99% of the time they skip any captions or subtitles at all is disgracefull in my opinion.

Surely captions can't cost 'too' much to get done right? I'm sure it's within a reasonable price,that any company could afford them.

But I do know,I am not supporting future Blue Underground releases,and also will start not supporting many other non-CC or subtitled releases.

sleep
04-07-05, 08:23 PM
Some DVD players don't pass along the CC signal to the television. www.TVGuardian.com ,or one of the shops linked at their site, had a list of DVD players that kill the closed caption signal. There are also those DVD's that claim to have CC but don't (like Creepy Crawlers, Island of the Dead, Black Christmas SE). Captions and subtitles are addictive. I find I remember more of the story when I can read along.
Julie, I've written to Bill Lustig at BU, John Sirabella at Shriek Show and Michael Felsher at Anchor Bay to try and get them to realize the increased profits that can be realized by adding captions or subtitles. It will cost a few cents more per disc but the potential market is increased when it's made available to the caption crowd. MGM, Universal and the other big studios may not release some of the cool films like Demons, Black Demons, Burial Ground or Tenebrae, but at least they include captions on their discs because they want to sell as many as possible. The films I've mentioned already have a limited audience. It's bad capitalism to restrict it even further by marketing to the hearing-fortunate only.

I'm not familiar with any of the films you've mentioned, but have experienced major disappointment recently with the lack of subtitles on A&E's releases of Homicide: Life on the Streets and Reilly: Ace of Spies, and plan to write them a letter as well.

dtcarson
04-07-05, 09:11 PM
Personally, I think either English captions or subs [or both] should be standard, not a 'special feature.' Some movies/disks I can't crank up too loud because the sound levels vary so much, and I have a small child sleeping in the house as well. Plus I like to be able to read along, and it's very hearing-impaired-unfriendly.
How hard/expensive can it be to add captions/subtitles? I'd rather they spend the money on those, than a chapter list insert or that stupid cardboard slipcover.

dsa_shea
04-07-05, 09:11 PM
On my Trinitron I have turned on the CC1 and turned on the display for the CC but still nothing. I have a Norcent dvd player in my living room. And why is it that you have to turn up the sound level for dvds much more than you do for regular tv shows? Last night I scared the piss out of myself turning on an MGM dvd (that damn lion) after watching a few hours earlier and forgetting that it was up so loud.

Julie Walker
04-08-05, 12:28 AM
Frozen,since you mentioned Shriek Show. One of their releases that does have 'captions'..(I use the term loosely),is Ichi:The Killer.

They were titled "Captions for children" and were encoded as captions(could only be accessed by clicking the captions on,option on my laptops menu). But instead of showcasing the dialogue and other bits of needed information. It just had someone typing random things like "This film is weird huh?" and stupid comments like that. Very offensive and unfunny,considering they took the time to waste money on that,when they could have gotten actual captions done.


Out of the companies I have sent various emails to about this issue. Don May Jr. was the only one to reply. He basically said it was not that they didn't 'want' to 'not' include captions. Since they don't expect their releases to sell 'too' many units(ie-usually in the 10,000 if lucky range). The 'extra' cost for captions(after spending alot on rights,restoration and extras) would be 'too' much and not worth the effort,if they don't make what they spent back at the very least. Since Synapse is literally a two man crew,I can understand that I guess.

But larger indie companies like Blue Underground and Anchorbay among others,have no excuse for the lack of captions.

At least AB has started to caption their 'big' cult releases like Dawn of the Dead,Evil Dead and so forth. Now if only they would just caption all titles,even the 'smaller' ones like Evilspeak and Night of the Demons. Since today,I think their is no excuse to not include captions,unlike when they first started out and had to learn from their many mistakes.

I still can't understand why an even bigger company like Image Entertainment also does not support captions at all. Looking at the costs of the Twilight Zone season sets(+ previous box sets). The fact that my girlfriend who loves the show,along with myself,won't be able to enjoy them. Makes me purchasing them very unlikely,as much as I'd love to own them.

They are all missing out on a larger market of people who won't be purchasing their releases anytime soon. I think the slightly extra cost for captions is worth it,but they don't seem to think so at the moment.


Just imagine what will happen one day when/if they lose their hearing,and won't be able to enjoy their own releases:D

DVDFreaker
04-08-05, 01:25 AM
On my Trinitron I have turned on the CC1 and turned on the display for the CC but still nothing. I have a Norcent dvd player in my living room. And why is it that you have to turn up the sound level for dvds much more than you do for regular tv shows? Last night I scared the piss out of myself turning on an MGM dvd (that damn lion) after watching a few hours earlier and forgetting that it was up so loud.

First, change the channel to a TV show and check if the caption shows up and if it doesn't show up, try a different TV show and if the captions show up then that means the DVD is not closed caption.

Second, check the back of the DVD case and check if it says "CC", if it doesn't, then that means it does not have closed caption.

Hope it helps!

DVDFreaker
04-08-05, 01:27 AM
Frozen,since you mentioned Shriek Show. One of their releases that does have 'captions'..(I use the term loosely),is Ichi:The Killer.

They were titled "Captions for children" and were encoded as captions(could only be accessed by clicking the captions on,option on my laptops menu). But instead of showcasing the dialogue and other bits of needed information. It just had someone typing random things like "This film is weird huh?" and stupid comments like that. Very offensive and unfunny,considering they took the time to waste money on that,when they could have gotten actual captions done.


Out of the companies I have sent various emails to about this issue. Don May Jr. was the only one to reply. He basically said it was not that they didn't 'want' to 'not' include captions. Since they don't expect their releases to sell 'too' many units(ie-usually in the 10,000 if lucky range). The 'extra' cost for captions(after spending alot on rights,restoration and extras) would be 'too' much and not worth the effort,if they don't make what they spent back at the very least. Since Synapse is literally a two man crew,I can understand that I guess.

But larger indie companies like Blue Underground and Anchorbay among others,have no excuse for the lack of captions.

At least AB has started to caption their 'big' cult releases like Dawn of the Dead,Evil Dead and so forth. Now if only they would just caption all titles,even the 'smaller' ones like Evilspeak and Night of the Demons. Since today,I think their is no excuse to not include captions,unlike when they first started out and had to learn from their many mistakes.

I still can't understand why an even bigger company like Image Entertainment also does not support captions at all. Looking at the costs of the Twilight Zone season sets(+ previous box sets). The fact that my girlfriend who loves the show,along with myself,won't be able to enjoy them. Makes me purchasing them very unlikely,as much as I'd love to own them.

They are all missing out on a larger market of people who won't be purchasing their releases anytime soon. I think the slightly extra cost for captions is worth it,but they don't seem to think so at the moment.


Just imagine what will happen one day when/if they lose their hearing,and won't be able to enjoy their own releases:D


I am deaf and one of the DVDs I wanted (Saved By The Bell: The College Years) did not have closed caption but I don't understand they wouldn't add it because they have closed caption while showing on the TV and I e-mailed the company who made Saved By The Bell: The College Years and told them they lost a customer because they didn't add subtitles or closed caption.

dsa_shea
04-08-05, 02:50 PM
Every dvd should have at least CC. What is irritating to me is not being able to get the dvds of mine that have CC to work on my setup. My Trinitron shows CC while watching regular t.v., but I still can't get them to work on dvds.

dtcarson
04-08-05, 02:56 PM
I don't understand why a tv show that had captions on broadcast, would *not* have them on DVD. Arent' they encoded into the signal, and the cost has obviously already been incurred. I would think it would cost more time and energy to remove the captions in that case, than just to leave them.

DVDFreaker
04-08-05, 09:37 PM
Every dvd should have at least CC. What is irritating to me is not being able to get the dvds of mine that have CC to work on my setup. My Trinitron shows CC while watching regular t.v., but I still can't get them to work on dvds.

Since it shows CC while watching regular TV then the DVD isn't closed caption or try a new release DVD and it should show up....

Mr. Salty
04-09-05, 06:09 AM
CA you list some of the specific titles you've tried that you cannot get to display CC? Maybe one of us can confirm whether or not they are encoded with CC or not.

DVDFreaker
04-09-05, 09:22 AM
CA you list some of the specific titles you've tried that you cannot get to display CC? Maybe one of us can confirm whether or not they are encoded with CC or not.

Good idea, either Mr. Salty or I or both will try to help

dsa_shea
04-09-05, 10:07 AM
CA you list some of the specific titles you've tried that you cannot get to display CC? Maybe one of us can confirm whether or not they are encoded with CC or not.

C.S.I. Miami
Stargate SG-1 Season 1
Boomtown

These are a few that I have tried and all with the same results. I'll try to add more to the list in a bit. Thanks a lot for your help.

DVDFreaker
04-09-05, 11:18 AM
C.S.I. Miami
Stargate SG-1 Season 1
Boomtown

These are a few that I have tried and all with the same results. I'll try to add more to the list in a bit. Thanks a lot for your help.

C.S.I Miami has Closed Caption
BoomTown has Closed Caption
Stargate SG-1 Season 1 doesn't seem to have Closed Caption

dom56
04-09-05, 11:44 AM
A couple of years ago I purchased The Cotton Club at Circuit City, since I'm hard of hearing I tried getting the close-captioned turn on since the back of the box have the close-captioned symbol on it, well I could'nt get it to display at all on my 24" Sony Trinitron. I tried watching Mississippi Burning since it was made by the same studio MGM and it worked. Figuring I must have a defected disc I exchanged it for a new one. Well to my dismay that one did'nt even work at all. I was so pissed I tried emailng MGM about the defect and have not heard from them even since. :mad:

dsa_shea
04-09-05, 01:10 PM
C.S.I Miami has Closed Caption
BoomTown has Closed Caption
Stargate SG-1 Season 1 doesn't seem to have Closed Caption

Then it must have something to do with the way my dvd player is connected or the player itself. Does anyone know anything about the Norcent player other than the ability to change its region coding through a couple of button pushes on the remote?

DVDFreaker
04-09-05, 03:41 PM
A couple of years ago I purchased The Cotton Club at Circuit City, since I'm hard of hearing I tried getting the close-captioned turn on since the back of the box have the close-captioned symbol on it, well I could'nt get it to display at all on my 24" Sony Trinitron. I tried watching Mississippi Burning since it was made by the same studio MGM and it worked. Figuring I must have a defected disc I exchanged it for a new one. Well to my dismay that one did'nt even work at all. I was so pissed I tried emailng MGM about the defect and have not heard from them even since. :mad:

Yeah, some companies like to screw hard of hearing/deaf people putting closed caption on the back of the cover but it never shows up on the TV! The same thing happened to me, I was looking at Wal-Mart and I saw SnapDragon and I looked at the back of the cover to see if it's closed caption and it showed the CC so I brought it and took it home and start the movie but the captions never showed up and I was pissed, I tried contacting Lions Gates about it but they never replied! I know how you feel, man, it sucks! :(

dsa_shea
04-09-05, 03:55 PM
C.S.I Miami has Closed Caption
BoomTown has Closed Caption
Stargate SG-1 Season 1 doesn't seem to have Closed Caption

Did you get a chance to test any of these dvds to see if the CC shows up for you? I know it says CC on the back of the box, but have you actually had them work for you?

DVDFreaker
04-09-05, 04:13 PM
Did you get a chance to test any of these dvds to see if the CC shows up for you? I know it says CC on the back of the box, but have you actually had them work for you?

Yes, I did, CSI Miami works, Boomtown works, StarGate doesn't work for me. Maybe somebody who has StarGate Season 1 can check and see if the captions work for them because it doesn't work on the TV for me.

Luther Heggs
04-10-05, 02:38 AM
Interesting subject, and one you don't see discussed nearly often enough. There are a few aspects of Closed Captioning that maybe I can bring up, first in relation to TV shows on DVD. Broadcast captions are always copyrighted, similar to the way a translation of an existing work into another language can be copyrighted. So if a TV show airs with captioning (and by next January almost every show will) unless the very same entity that owns the captions is putting out the DVD, the show will have to be re-captioned at additional cost. NBC was showing SCTV late at night a few years ago with (poorly implemented) Closed Captioning, but it wasn't until Vol. 2 that Shout! Factory started including CC on their box sets. Now TVLand is showing SCTV segments without CC, although they're likely to fix that soon.
Complicating matters further for movies on DVD is that many people and companies don't distinguish between player generated subtitles(whether SDH or not) and actual Closed Captions that are hidden in the video signal and decoded by your set. Some Lions Gate DVDs are a perfect example. The back cover of their May makes it appear that the DVD has CC, but instead it has SDH. If the DVD has actual CC, it should feature this logo on the back or the spine:
http://www.robson.org/capfaq/gifs/generic-cc.gif
Or this logo which is specific to the National Captioning Institute, signifying that the DVD was captioned by NCI:
http://www.robson.org/capfaq/gifs/nci-cc.gif
(I think Warner Bros. is the only studio to use NCI exclusively.)
The use of other similar logos - like the "two interlocking C's in a TV" pictogram on the back of the May DVD - seems to stem from the mistaken assumption that any subtitling of an English language film qualifies as CC and can be labeled as such.
Complicating matters even further is the fact that progressive scan effectively disables CC (at least through component connections). If you have a DVD player that can switch between progressive and interlaced on the fly, play a major studio release with your monitor set to decode the CC and watch the captioning flicker out when you switch between the two modes. I'd like to see Fox's practice of including player-generated subs that are textually identical to the CC become standard - but for DVD extras as well as the feature itself.

dsa_shea
04-10-05, 12:56 PM
Do you think that by having my S-Video cable running through a switchbox might be the reason why my CC is not showing up? I don't see how this could be the reason, but it is possible.

DVDFreaker
04-10-05, 12:59 PM
Do you think that by having my S-Video cable running through a switchbox might be the reason why my CC is not showing up? I don't see how this could be the reason, but it is possible.

It's possible but try it and see

dsa_shea
04-10-05, 01:28 PM
Ok, so I disconnected my s-video from the switchobx and connected it directly into the t.v. The CC would still not show up. So I tried playing the movie through my Playstation 2 and the same results = nada. Does the CC signal travel through the s-cable or do you need the regular video cable hooked up as well to get the CC?
I've tried on these players:
1. Norcent
2. Playstation 2

Is there anything else I might need to do to get the CC to show up? When I watch cable with my Sony Trinitron the CC shows up without a problem. Please help...thanks

kitkat
04-10-05, 02:51 PM
Does the CC signal travel through the s-cable or do you need the regular video cable hooked up as well to get the CC?

Yes, the CC will travel through the S-video cable. It is encoded into the video signal. I also have a Sony trinitron and a dvd player hooked up to it via an S-video switchbox and I can view the CC if I want. However, your problem is either your TV (which you've eliminated since you get CC otherwise), your players, or the connection between your players and the TV. Could it be a funky S-video cable? What the hell, try a different cable if the same one has been used in all your tests. Otherwise I'd have to wonder if your players are stripping the signal somehow.

Anybody here have a Playstation or a Norcent? Can you view closed captioning when using them?

dsa_shea
04-10-05, 10:17 PM
The only thing I can come up with right now is that neither the Norcent nor the PS2 can play dvds and have the caption signal go through. I will have to move another of my dvd players to the front to make sure there is no problem with the t.v. receiving the CC signal from a source other than cable television.

dsa_shea
04-11-05, 03:47 PM
Anyone out there use a Norcent player? If you do, can you get the CC to show up on your t.v.?

DVDFreaker
04-11-05, 04:20 PM
Anyone out there use a Norcent player? If you do, can you get the CC to show up on your t.v.?

I just thought of a idea, why not borrow your friend's DVD player or somebody's DVD player and see if their DVD player can show the captions on the TV and if it does, then it must be your DVD player, maybe your DVD player isn't suited to play closed captions on your TV