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DVD Polizei
04-05-05, 09:55 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=574&e=18&u=/nm/20050405/wl_nm/mideast_report_dc

By Suleiman al-Khalidi

AMMAN (Reuters) - In a long-awaited report, Arab intellectuals and reformers say they have seen no significant advances toward democracy in the Arab world past year.

The third Arab Human Development Report (AHDR), released on Tuesday under U.N. auspices, said most reforms were "embryonic and fragmentary" and did not amount to a serious effort to end repression in the region, which has some of the world's most authoritarian governments.

The United States (news, websites, live chats, Texas Hold'em clans, stuff on eBay), which says it aims to promote democracy in the region, contributed to an international context that hampered progress through its policy toward Israel, its actions in Iraq and security measures affecting Arabs, the report said.

Both the U.S. and Egyptian governments criticized parts of an early draft of the report, leading to a dispute that held up its release for at least three months.

The report, which covers the year from Oct. 2003, was written before elections in Iraq and street protests in Lebanon that the Bush administration has cited as evidence of change.

Rima Khalaf, the senior UNDP official who presided over the intellectuals and reformers who wrote the report, said Arab states had to embark on reforms that expanded public freedom.

To do nothing would deepen the imbalance in the distribution of power and wealth, and "lead some to perpetrate more violence and deepen internal conflicts," she told Reuters.

AMERICAN OBJECTIONS

Following the American and Egyptian objections, the U.N. Development Programme (UNDP) eventually decided to put the report out under its logo, with a disclaimer in the preface.

"Some of the views expressed by the authors are not shared by UNDP or the U.N. ... (But) This report clearly reflects a very real anger and concern felt across the region," wrote Mark Malloch Brown, UNDP Administrator at the time it was written.

The most controversial sections described the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory and the occupation of Iraq by the United States and its allies as violations of freedom and obstacles to development.

Khalaf said in the launch address that over a 10th of Arabs now lived under foreign occupation.

"Occupation is a confiscation of rights by violence," she said, adding that last year's Abu Ghraib scandal, when U.S. interrogators tortured Iraqi prisoners, meant detainees' basic rights were no longer protected by international jurisdiction.

The report said occupation of Arab land had given governments an excuse to postpone democratization, forced Arab reformers to divert energy away from reform and strengthened groups that advocate violence.

It also accused the United States of undermining the international system by repeatedly using or threatening to use its U.N. Security Council veto, enabling Israel to build new Jewish settlements and extend its barrier in the West Bank.

In Iraq, the occupation increased human suffering and, because the United States failed to protect citizens, there was "an unprecedented loss of internal security," it said.

It said U.S.-led authorities had dismantled the old state but made little progress in building a new one.

The U.S. response to the September 2001 attacks on the United States added to the ambiguity in the Western attitude to human rights in the Middle East, it said.

"The 'war on terror' has cut into many Arab freedoms ... An unfortunate by-product in some countries has been that Arabs are increasingly the victims of stereotyping, disproportionately harassed or detained without cause," it said.

"The fact that some Western countries ... have taken steps widely perceived to be discriminatory and repressive, has weakened the position of those reformers calling for Arab governments ... to change their course."

The report noted an increase in activity by civic groups pressing for changes inside Arab countries, some reform initiatives by Arab governments, some improvements in education and some empowerment of women in the Arab world.

But it added: "There is a near-complete consensus that there is a serious failing in the Arab world, and that this is located specifically in the political sphere ...

"Disaster can be averted. The alternative is to pursue an historic, peaceful and deep process of negotiated political alternation ... The desired outcome is a redistribution of power within Arab societies, restoring sovereignty to its rightful owners, the vast majority of people in the Arab world."

Mopower
04-05-05, 10:34 PM
The U.S. response to the September 2001 attacks on the United States added to the ambiguity in the Western attitude to human rights in the Middle East


Maybe the great Arab intellectuals should maybe blame their own extremists for starting this whole mess in the first place. And what the hell do Arabs know about democracy anyway?

DVD Polizei
04-05-05, 11:03 PM
I like this one the best:

"The 'war on terror' has cut into many Arab freedoms ... An unfortunate by-product in some countries has been that Arabs are increasingly the victims of stereotyping, disproportionately harassed or detained without cause," it said [the report].

I'm wondering how much stereotyping they do themselves. It's not like only white US soldiers are dying in Iraq or the Middle East in general. In fact, I think more Arabs are dying from their own people's hatred and stupidity of assuming they are collaborating with the US Infidels.

mikehunt
04-05-05, 11:33 PM
:lol:
we did more in 3 years to bring democracy to the region (elections in afghanistan and iraq) than those morons have done in decades. And we don't stone women to death for showing some skin.

Myster X
04-06-05, 01:11 AM
It also accused the United States of undermining the international system by repeatedly using or threatening to use its U.N. Security Council veto, enabling Israel to build new Jewish settlements and extend its barrier in the West Bank.

:lol: and just how anti-Israel resolutions were supported by or drawn up by Arabs

kvrdave
04-06-05, 02:26 AM
So, the UN put a report out with disclaimers that we aren't doing enough, though they have clearly said they won't do anything to help.

Thanks :wave:


rotfl

bhk
04-06-05, 01:00 PM
:lol:
You've got to understand, to be an Arab intellectual you have to have slightly less wacky conspiracy theories on how Zionists control everything than all the other Arab people around you.

VinVega
04-06-05, 02:10 PM
:lol:
You've got to understand, to be an Arab intellectual you have to have slightly less wacky conspiracy theories on how Zionists control everything than all the other Arab people around you.
That's not too far from the truth in many cases. It's kind of ironic that we have folks in totalitarian regimes judging the level of democratization going on over there.

No matter how much democratization occurs, it will be really hard for them to shake their historical boogey men, namely the US and Israel. Hopefully they will over time, but this just looks like trying to keep the US scapegoat appeal alive.

duff beer
04-06-05, 06:09 PM
Can you believe North Korea calls itself a democracy?

DVD Polizei
04-06-05, 08:22 PM
Yeah, that reminds me of a funny moment. I was at the US Postal Service, and this guy wants to mail a letter to his family in North Korea. The postal clerk looks the country up in the system and says, "Ummmm, does North Korea even permit mail to enter their country?"

The customer kind of laughed, "Yeah, they do."
Then the postal clerk finds the country, and comments, "Whahhh? Democratic People's Republic Of Korea...North Korea?"
"That's it."
"Well, that's odd. North Korea 'Democratic'?"

raven56706
04-07-05, 11:44 AM
I guess beating a kid for eating something wrong during religious periods is a good thing but a even better thing is to do it with a big audience.

Sominex
04-08-05, 10:05 AM
So, the UN put a report out with disclaimers that we aren't doing enough, though they have clearly said they won't do anything to help.

Thanks :wave:


rotfl


:thumbsup:

The Bus
04-15-05, 10:49 PM
We'll see what happens when the upcoming trials start. Should be interesting to see if the Baath party will pay for all the blood they spilled. Those bloody Baaths...

bwvanh114
04-15-05, 11:04 PM
Those bloody Baaths...It's a blood Ba... Whoa, you made me walk into that one, didn't ya!

Myster X
04-16-05, 01:46 AM
de-Baathitization

DVD Polizei
04-16-05, 02:01 AM
I'll be baath

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