In another thread, Old Dude commented that Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader are the among the most odious figures on the left. I thought that was a great description.
I can add Marian Wright Edelman ("but what about the children?") and Al Sharpton.
On the right, I can think of Mike Savage, Dr. Laura, and Fred Phelps ("God hates f-gs.")
Groucho
04-05-05, 11:18 AM
Too many to list on the left. None really on the right.
Nick Danger
04-05-05, 11:20 AM
Serious Groucho? Is that you? :p
dick_grayson
04-05-05, 11:21 AM
Too many to list on the left. None really on the right.
:lol:
Goldblum
04-05-05, 11:28 AM
Actually, believe it or not, Fred Phelps is a staunch religious liberal. He was a former liberal politician, and in his sick and twisted (but honest) mind, he says those horrible things to the family because he believes it is the best way for the family to change their positions, and he wants them to change so badly because he "loves them" and doesn't want them to go to hell for believing the wrong thing.
Not that I agree with any of this, of course. But I had to do a lot of research on him for a play I was directing. His life is fascinating. You expect him to be a Jerry Falwell, but he is truly a much more complex (and disturbed) creature.
wendersfan
04-05-05, 11:29 AM
People on the left I dislike - Nancy Pelosi
People on the right I dislike - Rick Santorum
And for fairness' sake:
People on the left I like - Barney Frank
People on the right I like - Orrin Hatch
As far as pundits:
On the left, I like Thomas Friedman and Chris Hitchens, and can't stand Paul Krugman. On the right, I like David Brooks and dislike Michelle Malkin.
As everyone knows, I post a lot of op/ed pieces here. What I look for in a good opinion piece is what is IMO a piece expressing an inportant or relevant viewpoint, and doing it well. I need not agree with the essay to admire it. Many of my co-workers get confused because I tape articles to my office door which conflict with previous articles I've posted there.
VinVega
04-05-05, 11:29 AM
Ann Coulter.
sfsdfd
04-05-05, 11:50 AM
On the left: Jesse Jackson, Jerry Springer, and Hilary Clinton.
On the right: Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, and Tom DeLay. Orrin Hatch is moving up in the ranks, thanks to his ridiculous notions about intellectual property.
- David Stein
classicman2
04-05-05, 11:56 AM
Left: Sen. Charles Schumer
Right: Tom DeLay
Red Dog
04-05-05, 11:57 AM
Left: Sen. Charles Schumer
Right: Tom DeLay
I have to think about it more, but I might agree with you.
Nazgul
04-05-05, 12:08 PM
Left: Maureen Dowd, Michael Moore, Mark Morford, Schumer, Pelosi/Boxer.
Right: Hannity, DeLay, Santorum.
movielib
04-05-05, 12:43 PM
In another thread, Old Dude commented that Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader are the among the most odious figures on the left. I thought that was a great description...
Actually I said that.
Must have been you. I couldn't remember saying it, and I'm pretty sure I couldn't say it without saying Michael Moore (and some others) first.
wendersfan
04-05-05, 01:03 PM
I've never thought of Nader as particularly "odious" before. Misguided perhaps, but always sincere and earnest in his aims. This changes things a bit.
LiquidSky
04-05-05, 01:11 PM
Actually, believe it or not, Fred Phelps is a staunch religious liberal. He was a former liberal politician, and in his sick and twisted (but honest) mind, he says those horrible things to the family because he believes it is the best way for the family to change their positions, and he wants them to change so badly because he "loves them" and doesn't want them to go to hell for believing the wrong thing.
Not that I agree with any of this, of course. But I had to do a lot of research on him for a play I was directing. His life is fascinating. You expect him to be a Jerry Falwell, but he is truly a much more complex (and disturbed) creature.
What was the play about?
Wasn't he an attorney as well? I know many of his children are attorneys and unfortunately believe his "teachings". Also, I believe two of his sons broke away from his madness.
He was in Nashville a few years ago protesting and had his little granddaughter holding a sign "Thank God for 9/11". Disturbing.
movielib
04-05-05, 01:21 PM
I've never thought of Nader as particularly "odious" before. Misguided perhaps, but always sincere and earnest in his aims. This changes things a bit.
The guy is wrong about virtually everything and has organizations (those damn "pirgs") that tell you what to eat, what form of energy you should use, lied about the Corvair (not a great car but not nearly as dangerous as he said), tells you that pesticides are going to kill you, pushed the grossly overstated asbestos problem etc. etc. etc.
Odiousness (is that a word?) and sincerity are not mutually exclusive.
classicman2
04-05-05, 01:55 PM
Janet Reno (used to be my #1 for Waco but insignificant now)
Schumer was disgraceful on Waco also.
Do you remember Schumer berating the attorneys for the Davidians when they claimed flash grenades could harm folks. Schumer made a total ass out of himself by saying, 'You don't know what you're talking about - they are virtually harmless.' The next day the Repubs brought an BATF explosive expert to testify. He told the committee that they could cause great harm, and actually kill people.
The ultimate is when Schumer said that nobody (but the 2 Davidian attorneys) believed that the BATF fired first. The response from Koresh's attorney. "It took a San Antonio jury 30 minutes to acquit all of the Davidian defendents. Apparently they believed it."
Pharoh
04-05-05, 02:24 PM
A quick take:
From the Right: Tancredo
From the Left: Specter
uberjoe
04-05-05, 02:54 PM
What was the play about?
Wasn't he an attorney as well? I know many of his children are attorneys and unfortunately believe his "teachings". Also, I believe two of his sons broke away from his madness.
He was in Nashville a few years ago protesting and had his little granddaughter holding a sign "Thank God for 9/11". Disturbing.
I was at Vanderbilt at the time and went to that protest (assuming there was only one). Phelps and his lunatic family were sickening, but it did feel good to look at their half-dozen morons standing next to hundreds of opposing protestors.
bhk
04-05-05, 03:07 PM
Did Bennet have a drug problem? I thought he gambled.
Left: Kennedy, Hillary, Nadler the Hutt, BenVeniesi, Gorelick
I love having MM, Pelosi, UpChuck on the left, it helps repubs.
Right: McPain and other RINOS like him. Phelps and anyone else who shouts God hates .....
Red Dog
04-05-05, 03:21 PM
Did Bennet have a drug problem? I thought he gambled.
I believe he meant 'drug thing' in the general sense ('War on Drugs'); not that he was a drug user.
classicman2
04-05-05, 03:21 PM
Bill Bennet's problem was not drugs but gambling.
dick_grayson
04-05-05, 03:23 PM
I think he also was dumbing down addiction all together (meanwhile was gambling up a storm)
I have a particular problem with Ralph Nader. He was a pioneer in modern fearmongering about technology. He favors falsified statistics, flawed analogies, and flat lies to make his case. He sounds so earnest and respectable when he makes shit up.
Who's Tancredo?
Myster X
04-05-05, 04:11 PM
Bob Packwood
uberjoe
04-05-05, 04:18 PM
Left: J. Jackson, Sharpton, Moore
Right: Santorum, Hannity, Coulter, DeLay
movielib
04-05-05, 05:10 PM
I believe he meant 'drug thing' in the general sense ('War on Drugs'); not that he was a drug user.
Correct.
movielib
04-05-05, 06:10 PM
Bill Bennet's problem was not drugs but gambling.
As Red Dog so astutely noted, I meant his drug war policies and utterances as "Drug Czar" and at other times, not a personal drug problem.
However, he was criticized because he was such a nicotine fiend at the time he was appointed to the odious position. He promised he was going to stop smoking. I don't know if he did.
natevines
04-05-05, 07:26 PM
People on the left I dislike - Nancy Pelosi
People on the right I dislike - Rick Santorum
And for fairness' sake:
People on the left I like - Barney Frank
People on the right I dislike - Orrin Hatch
Please re-read this, and then explain to me how it's for 'fairness' sake' :)
wendersfan
04-05-05, 08:48 PM
Please re-read this, and then explain to me how it's for 'fairness' sake' :)Simple, it's a typo. :)
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