NEW YORK — Jane Fonda says her 1972 visit to a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun site, an incident that brought her the nickname "Hanoi Jane," was a "betrayal" of American forces and of the "country that gave me privilege."
"The image of Jane Fonda, 'Barbarella,' Henry Fonda's daughter ... sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal ... the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine," Fonda told Leslie Stahl in a "60 Minutes" interview that will air Sunday night.
Fonda, whose memoir "Jane Fonda: My Life So Far" comes out next week, said she did not regret meeting with American POWs in North Vietnam or making broadcasts on Radio Hanoi.
"Our government was lying to us and men were dying because of it, and I felt I had to do anything that I could to expose the lies and help end the war," she said.
Also on "60 Minutes," Fonda acknowledged that she had participated in sexual threesomes, at the encouragement of her first husband, French film director Roger Vadim.
She said she consented because, "I felt that if I said no, that he would leave me and I couldn't imagine myself without him."
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wendersfan
03-31-05, 09:55 PM
That's nice to hear, I suppose. It doesn't change much for me - I still can't stand her, and I still love <b>Klute</b>...
Lemdog
03-31-05, 10:26 PM
That's nice to hear, I suppose. It doesn't change much for me - I still can't stand her
:thumbsup:
DVD Polizei
03-31-05, 11:24 PM
So, she's writing a book...
Thanks for the honesty, Jane. Yah freak.
Goldblum
03-31-05, 11:49 PM
:eek:
I don't believe her. Like Polizei said, she's writing a book and has a movie coming out. She wants to be less loathed. Nice try, Jane. Look for sympathy elsewhere.
Mutley Hyde
04-01-05, 12:41 AM
Hey, come on guys... she did have threesomes. That's gotta count for somethin'.
classicman2
04-01-05, 07:42 AM
This 'change' was not brought on by writing the book.
I think she has expressed the same sentiments some time ago.
Sominex
04-01-05, 08:48 AM
Screw her...
Her "regret" is a few decades late
VinVega
04-01-05, 08:52 AM
Hey, come on guys... she did have threesomes. That's gotta count for somethin'.
You're right, but what we really need are the PICS
:D
LiquidSky
04-01-05, 09:12 AM
This 'change' was not brought on by writing the book.
I think she has expressed the same sentiments some time ago.
Agreed. I believe she has had regret over this for many years.
This 'change' was not brought on by writing the book.
I think she has expressed the same sentiments some time ago.
Once in '88. Once in 2000.
In 1988, sixteen years after denouncing American soldiers as war criminals and tortured POWs as possessed of overactive imaginations, Fonda met with Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. It's interesting to note that this nationally-televised apology (during which she attempted to minimize her actions by characterizing them as "thoughtless and careless") came at a time when New England vets were successfully disrupting a film project she was working on. It's also interesting that not only was this apology delivered sixteen years after the fact, but it has not been offered again since. More than a few have read a huge dollop of self-interest into Fonda's 1988 apology. (Finally, in an interview in 2000, almost thirty years after the fact, Fonda admitted: "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless.")
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
Also on "60 Minutes," Fonda acknowledged that she had participated in sexual threesomes, at the encouragement of her first husband, French film director Roger Vadim.
She said she consented because, "I felt that if I said no, that he would leave me and I couldn't imagine myself without him."
Did she forget that Vadim was a womanizer and that before her, he was with:
That's nice to hear, I suppose. It doesn't change much for me - I still can't stand her, and I still love <b>threesomes</b>...
Fixed.
If she was so hot and bothered about saving the troops, maybe she shouldn't have taken the messages they tried to get her to pass to their loved ones and turned them over to Vietnamese guards so the POWs could be beaten and killed.
People need to wake the hell up and understand that there's not too many troops that want people to save them.
And, yes, I would've grudge fucked the hell out of her. In a threesome...perhaps.
If she was so hot and bothered about saving the troops, maybe she shouldn't have taken the messages they tried to get her to pass to their loved ones and turned them over to Vietnamese guards so the POWs could be beaten and killed.I’ve read several times over the years that she didn’t turn over any papers to the guards. In fact I think Snopes.com mentions that somewhere on their site.
Do you have any credible source to confirm the “turning over” incident?
johnglass
04-01-05, 10:03 PM
Jane Fonda handed over to their captors the slips of paper POWs pressed upon her: False.
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
DVD Polizei
04-01-05, 10:17 PM
But Jane Fonda did broadcast her anti-US messages over VC radio to POWs and the surrounding areas, I thought, which is still pretty mean-spirited. I'm all for protesting a war, but going over to the country which is the enemy, and having pictures taken with them, and then wearing a necklace given from them, and speaking anti-US propaganda, is much more than being a protestor.
Julie Walker
04-01-05, 11:50 PM
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
Ranger
04-02-05, 12:18 AM
I think I saw that famous video of her with the North Vietnamese troops on Inside Edition today. Was she wearing a wig or something. Was her hair that dark then?
Giantrobo
04-02-05, 08:25 AM
I think I saw that famous video of her with the North Vietnamese troops on Inside Edition today. Was she wearing a wig or something. Was her hair that dark then?
yes.
Giantrobo
04-02-05, 08:29 AM
The funny thing is if she had done what she did in Vietnam in Iraq during the current war "The Blue States" would think her a "hero"..... ;)
Ranger
04-02-05, 02:12 PM
yes.
Yes, her hair was that dark then, or yes, she was wearing a wig? :)
Birrman54
04-02-05, 02:37 PM
Yes, her hair was that dark then, or yes, she was wearing a wig? :)
correct ;)
birrman54
Giantrobo
04-02-05, 03:03 PM
Yes, her hair was that dark then, or yes, she was wearing a wig? :)
Yes. she was in vietnam.
Ranger
04-02-05, 03:06 PM
Nurse: Doctor, do you need a 15 or 17 blade?
Doctor: Mm-hmm.
Nurse: Mm-hmm WHAT?
Julie Walker
04-02-05, 03:37 PM
You know I have been thinking about this and I know the ultra-Fonda haters will not dare think this.
But what if she was just fucked up in the head durring this time frame and has since matured?
What I mean is,whenever someone gets so caught up in politics. They can act completely differently than they normally would. They want to support their cause and feel like they are 'right' no matter what. This goes for BOTH sides btw.
Considering the 60's and her being a star. I am sure she was into drugs and everything. So what if,when in an 'unstable' frame of mind. Someone started discussing communism and socialism with her,completely propogandizing the 'good' things about it,while convientely leaving out the bad side of it? So it 'clicked' with her and she thought it was a 'good' thing and would do anything to promote it without using common sense and rabidly went about decrying our government?
Then lets say once the war died down,she was in more stable frame of mind and looking at her passed actions,realized what an idiot she was then just moved on?
Look at Patty Hearst for example being brainwashed and turned a terrorist supporter in the 1970's. She was literally brainwashed and not her real self durring that period. Should we still condemn her today as she lives a perfectly sane normal life?
It is not unbelievable than an adult like Fonda could have just got caught up in someones politics since they sold them really good too her. That without much thought,she took it all in and believed every word of it. Only to be completely wrong in the end,once she tried sorting it all out.
eXcentris
04-02-05, 04:07 PM
It is not unbelievable than an adult like Fonda could have just got caught up in someones politics since they sold them really good too her. That without much thought,she took it all in and believed every word of it. Only to be completely wrong in the end,once she tried sorting it all out.
It's possible, just look at this forum. Well except for the sorting out part. :lol:
DarkestPhoenix
04-03-05, 07:29 PM
I’ve read several times over the years that she didn’t turn over any papers to the guards. In fact I think Snopes.com mentions that somewhere on their site.
Do you have any credible source to confirm the “turning over” incident?
I was wrong, apparently. However, in reading the snopes article, I hate her just as much. Probably more. What an ignorant bitch.
Love the sticker, though. Haven't pissed on one of those in four years.
Goldblum
04-03-05, 08:51 PM
Yes, her hair was that dark then, or yes, she was wearing a wig? :)
Colonel Mustard: Wadsworth, am I right in thinking there is nobody else in this house?
Wadsworth: Ummm, no.
Colonel Mustard: Then there is someone else in the house?
Wadsworth: No, sorry. I said no meaning yes.
Colonel Mustard: No meaning yes? Look I want a straight answer, is there someone else or isn't there? Yes or no?
Wadsworth: Ummm, no.
Colonel Mustard: No there is, or no there isn't?
Wadsworth: Yes.
CRM114
04-04-05, 08:56 AM
The funny thing is if she had done what she did in Vietnam in Iraq during the current war "The Blue States" would think her a "hero"..... ;)
Thats bullshit. We think Bush is an idiot and the war a sham but we absolutely don't believe in associating with the enemy of our soldiers (even if they aren't an enemy of the US proper).
classicman2
04-04-05, 09:16 AM
If they are killing American soldiers, you don't consider them an enemy of the U.S. proper? :hscratch:
CRM114
04-04-05, 09:29 AM
If they are killing American soldiers, you don't consider them an enemy of the U.S. proper? :hscratch:
I don't think the average fighting Iraqi gives a rats ass about the US proper - at least not before we rolled in and started killing thousands of them. Even today, the Iraqis are fighting the occupiers of their country not the US proper or the US people by proxy.
Even a lot of soldiers don't see Iraq as the "enemy." When the machine is powered up and ready to roll, the grunts roll, not matter where its rolling to.
classicman2
04-04-05, 09:37 AM
Hogwash!!
Giantrobo
04-04-05, 09:44 AM
Thats bullshit. We think Bush is an idiot and the war a sham but we absolutely don't believe in associating with the enemy of our soldiers (even if they aren't an enemy of the US proper).
Riiiight.....
CRM114
04-04-05, 09:48 AM
Riiiight.....
Right! You got me. I so wish our troops (especially that kid next door) would get their fucking balls blasted off.
-rolleyes-
Mutley Hyde
04-04-05, 08:11 PM
Well, now this is really getting to it, isn't it.
Why don't we dig up the threads about the John Kerry posing with Jane Fonda pictures and let's see how people thought of her then, hmmmm?
Yes, the pics were fake, but before, and after that was known, nobody on the left was denouncing Fonda then, now were they?
Giantrobo
04-04-05, 08:57 PM
Right! You got me. I so wish our troops (especially that kid next door) would get their fucking balls blasted off.
-rolleyes-
Maybe not you personally but I think it applies too plenty of "Blue State" folk.
Jason
04-04-05, 09:04 PM
Maybe not you personally but I think it applies too plenty of "Blue State" folk.
horseshit. We want all of them to come home.
Giantrobo
04-05-05, 05:10 AM
horseshit. We want all of them to come home.
We all do. what's your point? Isn't sean penn considered corageous for goin' to Iraq to "fact find"? We all know his vehement opposition to this war and Bush's administration. All I'm saying is Fonda would most likely be considered a hero and not a "traitor" by many who oppose the war. It just so happens that most of them are in the "blue states".
DVD Polizei
04-05-05, 05:19 AM
As of yet, I haven't seen Sean Penn sit with a bunch of Al Qaeda, and fire off a few rounds from their weapons arsenal, in addition to making a radio broadcast to be heard in Baghdad.
classicman2
04-05-05, 09:50 AM
Jane Fonda Dishes on Ted Turner in Book
By Roger Friedman
Jane Fonda says her marriage to Ted Turner ended for two distinct reasons: her conversion to Christianity and his continuous cheating.
In her spellbinding autobiography, "My Life So Far," Fonda reveals that she made the religious conversion without telling her husband of almost eight years:
"I hadn't told Ted beforehand because by then I didn't feel we were on the same team. Alongside the frantic life we shared, I was living a parallel inner life, where I took care of my own needs ... I also knew that if I had discussed with him my need for spirituality, he would have either asked me to choose between him and it or bullied me out of it."
Fonda writes that her religious conversion coincided with the revelation that Turner had never stopped cheating on her. A month into their marriage she realized he'd had a "nooner" with another woman. She confronted him and bashed him over the head with a mobile phone. Through counseling they eventually reconciled, but Fonda says that didn't work out:
"He had spent our whole last year together looking for my replacement ... The day we parted, three days after the millennium, he flew to Atlanta to drop me off. As I drove from the airport to [my daughter's] home in a rental car, my replacement was waiting in the hangar to board his plane. My seat was still warm."
Fonda's book, which will be released today, is a spectacularly candid, intelligently written piece. It's really unlike anything I've ever seen by a celebrity. Instead of sugar-coating her past, Fonda has confronted it head on. I never would have expected anything else than the brutal honesty she espouses in "My Life So Far."
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Mutley Hyde
04-05-05, 12:18 PM
Robo is right, and those of you raggin' on him are just wrong. ;)
Any liberal who says they don't love Fonda is either lying or going against age old 'party tradition'. My dad is a die-hard liberal, and he love love loves Jane Fonda. Drives me fucking nuts. Of course, he wants the troops brought home safely, hell, he's an Army veteran, but I'll be damned if he doesn't get a hardon for headlines announcing new body counts just so he can wag his finger once again at the administration and those big bad conservatives.
It's about being 'right' more than concern for life, plain and simple. Sure, the concern for life is there, but the concern for being proven right, even for being proven simply relevant, is stronger.
Oh, and by the way, anybody wanna talk about the absence of Fonda disownment from the left during the whole Kerry doctored photo scandal? So far, apparently not, but come on, speak up... anyone who denounced Fonda then for her actions during Vietnam, I would love to see where you did it. Please, please post a link to your previous anti-Fonda posts. Thank you!
LiquidSky
04-05-05, 01:03 PM
Robo is right, and those of you raggin' on him are just wrong. ;)
Any liberal who says they don't love Fonda is either lying or going against age old 'party tradition'. My dad is a die-hard liberal, and he love love loves Jane Fonda. Drives me fucking nuts. Of course, he wants the troops brought home safely, hell, he's an Army veteran, but I'll be damned if he doesn't get a hardon for headlines announcing new body counts just so he can wag his finger once again at the administration and those big bad conservatives.
It's about being 'right' more than concern for life, plain and simple. Sure, the concern for life is there, but the concern for being proven right, even for being proven simply relevant, is stronger.
Oh, and by the way, anybody wanna talk about the absence of Fonda disownment from the left during the whole Kerry doctored photo scandal? So far, apparently not, but come on, speak up... anyone who denounced Fonda then for her actions during Vietnam, I would love to see where you did it. Please, please post a link to your previous anti-Fonda posts. Thank you!
You seem to making quite a few blanket statements here.
ALL Liberals love Fonda? I doubt it.
I'm a Liberal. I think what Fonda did during the Vietnam war is shitty. Just as I feel the way soliders were treated when they returned from Vietnam was deplorable.
That said, I believe her remorse and apologies are sincere. As a gay man, if Falwell, Robertson, et al. apologized for how they have treated homosexuals and I felt it was sincere, I would accept their apologies.
You can speak for your dad all you want but please do NOT speak for ME. My concern is with the troops. My best friend since kindergarten is there right now...so don't tell me because I am a Liberal, that I am actually more concerned about being "right" than about the lives of our troops.
Mutley Hyde
04-05-05, 01:11 PM
Hey, yeah, you're right, no one ever made blanket statements regarding cons, or ever put words in my mouth. :lol:
Anyway, fine, so you don't like Fonda and you're more concerned with troops lives than you are with proving the big bad neo-cons wrong.
Okay, duly noted. By the way, did you ever speak out against Fonda during the Kerry doctored photo scandal? Just asking.
LiquidSky
04-05-05, 01:48 PM
Hey, yeah, you're right, no one ever made blanket statements regarding cons, or ever put words in my mouth. :lol:
Anyway, fine, so you don't like Fonda and you're more concerned with troops lives than you are with proving the big bad neo-cons wrong.
Okay, duly noted. By the way, did you ever speak out against Fonda during the Kerry doctored photo scandal? Just asking.
Your reply to my post seems smug/flip....like you are just shrugging off what I wrote.
I never said people don't make blanket statements about conservatives. It would be cool if the zealots on both sides of the political parties would stop that bullshit.
Since I have read previous apologies made by Fonda, there was no reason for me to "speak out against her". I believe her apologies and remorse for her actions to be sincere.
Frankly, I would have protested the Vietnam war but I would not have done what Fonda did nor would I have spit on the soldiers or treated them the way some people did upon their return to the U.S.
Mutley Hyde
04-05-05, 02:06 PM
Your reply to my post reeks of smugness and sarcasm. Why is that?
Because I'm an untrusting, bitter old man.
And it wasn't intended as smugness and sarcasm, but more as skepticism and pacification.
Anyway, I did in fact make blanket statements, and didn't make any specifically regarding you so don't take it so personally. If what I said doesn't pertain to you, then fine, it doesn't pertain to you.
LiquidSky
04-05-05, 02:09 PM
Because I'm an untrusting, bitter old man.
Hmmmm. I've been known to be like that at times as well :D
Peace (and I fucking mean it! :) )
LS
JasonF
04-05-05, 02:09 PM
Okay, duly noted. By the way, did you ever speak out against Fonda during the Kerry doctored photo scandal? Just asking.
Did you speak out against going AWOL during the various "Bush's Viet Nam service" "scandals?" Just asking.
Mutley Hyde
04-05-05, 02:26 PM
Hmmmm. I've been known to be like that at times as well :D
Peace (and I fucking mean it! :) )
LS
Right on. :up:
Did you speak out against going AWOL during the various "Bush's Viet Nam service" "scandals?" Just asking.
No, because I don't believe he went AWOL. Nice deflection attempt though. This thread is about Fonda, not Bush, and not even Kerry. The only reason I bring up Kerry is to point out that while Fonda came up as an issue during Kerry's campaign, no one denounced her actions then. Why is it that now all of a sudden her Vietnam actions are universally deplorable? Why were they not deplorable when it was thought that Kerry was hangin' out with her?
I'm not interested in comparing Bush and Kerry here, that's been beat to death and we'll never get anywhere; what I am concerned with is all of the sudden denouncing of Fonda when before there wasn't any. She could have done no wrong while Kerry was running, yet now she is a pariah. Could it be because then criticism of Fonda's anti-Vietnam actions would come across as criticism of Kerry's anti-Vietnam actions? I personally think so, and I further personally think that's pretty damned opportunist and fickle. But that's just me.
Giantrobo
04-05-05, 08:22 PM
As of yet, I haven't seen Sean Penn sit with a bunch of Al Qaeda, and fire off a few rounds from their weapons arsenal, in addition to making a radio broadcast to be heard in Baghdad.
LIKE I SAID.... <i> IF </i> she had <b>done</b> in Iraq what she <b>did</b> in Vietnam.....
DVD Polizei
04-05-05, 08:23 PM
From reading the latest article on her, it looks like Jane is blaming just about anyone she can, and trying to come out smelling like a rose. What a pathetic woman. She has virtually no publicity power anymore, or any political pull, which is why the book is being published. It's her last hope of getting some money and acknowledgement. When she was with Ted, she had all the publicity in the world. Now, she's just an old woman, haggard, and desparate. A has been. A nobody.
Giantrobo
04-05-05, 08:25 PM
From reading the latest article on her, it looks like Jane is blaming just about anyone she can, and trying to come out smelling like a rose. What a pathetic woman. She has virtually no publicity power anymore, or any political pull, which is why the book is being published. It's her last hope of getting some money and acknowledgement. When she was with Ted, she had all the publicity in the world. Now, she's just an old woman, haggard, and desparate. A has been. A nobody.
Well she does have a new movie coming out.... :lol:
DVD Polizei
04-05-05, 08:28 PM
Monster-In-Law. How fitting. :up:
duff beer
04-06-05, 12:53 AM
So she starts speaking out when her book is coming out? How convenient.
Giantrobo
04-07-05, 03:22 AM
Is anyone watching her on Letterman? Wow...(actually it's a great interview. :up: to Dave.)
I'll stand by my statement about the "Blue States" and Jane Fonda even more now than before. ;)
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