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adamblast
03-31-05, 02:57 PM
I have nothing against this--not that I don't hate everything they stand for, issuewise--I just think it's interesting...

A new order of the priesthood, just to protest and push social causes?

Sounds like the American branch of Catholicism is about to get decidedly more political. They certainly need something to get them beyond this pedophile-and-zombie-pope era. Let's see: there's the Franciscans, the Jesuits, and the now the "Gospel of Life"-ers...


New order of Catholic priests is forming to fight abortion


AMARILLO, Texas — The Roman Catholic Church plans to establish its first religious society devoted exclusively to fighting euthanasia and abortion, church leaders said this week.

The male-only Missionaries of the Gospel of Life — founded by Father Frank A. Pavone, an outspoken opponent of abortion rights — will be housed in a vacant Catholic high school and dormitory on the grounds of the Diocese of Amarillo.

The order will have a decidedly political bent, and will be active rather than contemplative, Pavone said.

Its priests will be trained to conduct voter-registration drives, use the media to get out their antiabortion message and lobby lawmakers to restrict abortion rights.

They also will learn to lead demonstrations outside offices where abortions and family-planning services are provided.

"There is a difference between knowing the teachings and knowing how to effectively advance a movement," Pavone said.

In recent months, Pavone has been focused on marshaling religious conservatives around Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed March 18.

Pavone also is director of an association of antiabortion priests called Priests for Life.

In a prepared statement outlining his plan, Pavone called abortion the "fundamental human-rights issue of our day."

"The church finds herself battling a plague as spiritually fatal as any she has ever fought before — the plague of the culture of death," Pavone wrote.

The society will begin accepting priests and seminarians this summer, Pavone said, with training to start in the fall. Activists and other members of the lay community probably will be trained there as well.

The priest said he had received "a couple of hundred e-mails and calls" from young men interested in joining the society; a document sent to church leaders that outlined Pavone's plan suggested the number of priests could be "40 or 400."

The Catholic Church already has similar organizations. In 1991, the late Cardinal John O'Connor of New York established a women's religious community called Sisters of Life, dedicated to "protecting and advancing a sense of the sacredness of human life."

But, Pavone said, this is the first time the church has established an apostolic society for priests who will concentrate exclusively on abortion and euthanasia.

The society will be funded through private donations, Amarillo Bishop John W. Yanta said, and is being established with the knowledge and blessing of the Vatican.

In a statement from Rome, Cardinal Renato Martino, the head of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, said the new order "may be just what the world of today needs."

The society's priests will be given the general mission of "preaching and teaching the pro-life message effectively," Pavone said.

They also will "bring healing and forgiveness" to those who have had abortions and will provide what they describe as counseling services to women who are "tempted to abort their child," he said.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, churches risk losing their tax-exempt status if they endorse or oppose political candidates.

But they can adopt political positions and, to a limited degree, lobby to influence legislation.

Antiabortion organizations applauded establishment of the Missionaries of the Gospel of Life. Cheryl Sullenger, outreach coordinator for Operation Rescue, said that although some of the group's supporters were Catholic, it sometimes had a difficult time coordinating activities with the church.

"To have an extra avenue into the Catholic church would be very beneficial to our work," she said.

But in a prepared statement, Planned Parenthood of Amarillo and the Texas Panhandle expressed concerns that the society could attract extremists who might resort to violence to further the antiabortion cause.

Planned Parenthood said it feared that people trained by the society would use hardball tactics against healthcare providers, such as organizing clinic blockades.

Healthcare professionals and women's right advocates often criticize such tactics as acts of intimidation intended to shame women who already are facing difficult decisions

If there is increased activity of that sort, Planned Parenthood said, money likely will be diverted from healthcare to security. And if women are afraid to go to area clinics, the number of unintended pregnancies could rise, the group's statement said.

Yanta, the bishop of Amarillo, scoffed at the notion that the society might invite violence, but said it would not shy away from aggressive strategies.

"We are living in a very secular culture," Yanta said. "There are many institutions that think they are the center of the world. Jesus Christ should be the center. We are going to act like Jesus. Jesus wasn't afraid of controversy."

Although the order's mission would be to fight for an end to abortion, other facets of the "culture of death" — such as euthanasia and the death penalty, both of which are opposed by the church — also would be addressed, Yanta said.

The establishment of such a specialized religious society surprised some church observers, who noted that the church was struggling to address a shortage of priests.

"It's certainly not going to help," said Sister Christine Schenk, executive director of FutureChurch.

The Cleveland organization advocates loosening church laws — including eliminating celibacy requirements for priests — to draw more people into the priesthood and attract a wider group of followers.

Schenk said she would support the establishment of the society, provided that its priests addressed the full spectrum of church life.

Yanta said some priests would eventually be sent out to perform more general parish duties, although they would maintain a special focus on abortion.

Pavone said he believed the society would draw more people to the priesthood because abortion was such a passionate cause to so many people.

wendersfan
03-31-05, 03:03 PM
Just for a brief period of time, I'd love to enter the mind of someone so obsessed with a single political or social cause - abortion (pro or anti), gay rights,animal rights, the environment, whatever. Aren't there scores of other issues out their worthy of the Catholic clergy's attention, or is this so fundamentally important that our entire civilization is built upon its foundation?

Red Dog
03-31-05, 03:11 PM
I might be more sympathetic to the views the Church has on abortion if they weren't so anal about contraceptives.

dick_grayson
03-31-05, 03:14 PM
I might be more sympathetic to the views the Church has on abortion if they weren't so anal about contraceptives.


you can't get pregnant from anal :p

Tracer Bullet
03-31-05, 03:15 PM
According to the Internal Revenue Service, churches risk losing their tax-exempt status if they endorse or oppose political candidates.

:banana:

bhk
03-31-05, 03:31 PM
zombie-pope era
Now that's just mean, he has Parkinson's disease and the pope is manifesting signs of advanced disease. When Michael J. Fox becomes like that, are you going to call him zombie-pixie? It is the catholic's church to do this as it is the IRS' option to take their tax-exempt status

adamblast
03-31-05, 04:07 PM
I don't think it's mean. I think it's cynical-but-accurate, and I can't help wondering how long they're going to keep him barely alive and trot him out for special occasions like the kids from Weekend at Bernies. Culture of Life!!!

bhk
03-31-05, 04:10 PM
I think it's cynical-but-accurate,
Like calling someone with AIDS encephalopathy a HIVer zombie?

eXcentris
03-31-05, 04:11 PM
This would only make sense if this is a secret order of ninja priests and they make movies about them.

adamblast
03-31-05, 04:43 PM
Like calling someone with AIDS encephalopathy a HIVer zombie?Sure, if you like. I have plenty of compassion for those whose remaining time is likely to be little but suffering. That doesn't mean I won't laugh at the absurdity of keeping them alive and in the public eye.

Tommy Ceez
03-31-05, 04:54 PM
Sure, if you like. I have plenty of compassion for those whose remaining time is likely to be little but suffering. That doesn't mean I won't laugh at the absurdity of keeping them alive and in the public eye.

Who exactly is keeping the pope 'alive' and in the public eye?

Im suprised to find out he has no say in the matter.

Static Cling
03-31-05, 05:15 PM
Just for a brief period of time, I'd love to enter the mind of someone so obsessed with a single political or social cause - abortion (pro or anti), gay rights,animal rights, the environment, whatever. Aren't there scores of other issues out their worthy of the Catholic clergy's attention, or is this so fundamentally important that our entire civilization is built upon its foundation? I'm sure you're aware that there are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of Catholics around the world. You don't think that there are scores of other issues that Catholic clergy and laypeople are focusing their attention on?

adamblast
03-31-05, 05:20 PM
Who exactly is keeping the pope 'alive' and in the public eye?Um, everybody around him?

I don't think we're at that point yet, really, only that we're quickly getting closer and closer *to* that point. A medically-incapacitated pope is not doing the Catholic church any favors--but they seem detirmined to have one, since "no resignation" and "alive at all costs" seem to point solely in that direction eventually. Hence: zombie-pope.

wendersfan
03-31-05, 05:25 PM
I'm sure you're aware that there are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of Catholics around the world. You don't think that there are scores of other issues that Catholic clergy and laypeople are focusing their attention on?I'm well aware of that. I wasn't referring to them.

Tommy Ceez
03-31-05, 07:52 PM
Um, everybody around him?

I don't think we're at that point yet, really, only that we're quickly getting closer and closer *to* that point. A medically-incapacitated pope is not doing the Catholic church any favors--but they seem detirmined to have one, since "no resignation" and "alive at all costs" seem to point solely in that direction eventually. Hence: zombie-pope.

ANd, again, you know for a fact that the pope has no say in the matter?

After all, he is the most traveled world leader alive, and the most traveled pope ever...(and possibly the most traveled human ever)...so, was he being paraded around by these nefarious 'others' back then too?

Pharoh
03-31-05, 08:14 PM
With the LoC, what the hell is a new order needed for?

DVD Polizei
03-31-05, 08:18 PM
I wonder why they don't form an anti-child abuse group. Oh wait, I think I know why.

sfsdfd
03-31-05, 09:04 PM
:thumbsup: The political process at work. I hope they lose on both issues, but it's encouraging to see the system being used appropriately. (Too often, it's not.)

- David Stein

mikehunt
03-31-05, 09:23 PM
According to the Internal Revenue Service, churches risk losing their tax-exempt status if they endorse or oppose political candidates.

good
if I can't deduct my NRA dues and the NRA isn't tax exempt then a politically active church shouldn't be either

mikehunt
03-31-05, 09:25 PM
the pope isn't a zombie, he hasn't died yet
now jesus on the other hand was a zombie for a while

Tommy Ceez
03-31-05, 11:25 PM
BTW...TracerBullett, you have a better chance of becoming pope that the Catholic Church has of losing thier tax exempt status.

adamblast
04-01-05, 01:31 PM
In trying to keep the Pope-deathwatch thread in Other respectful, I thought I'd post this bit of morbid comedy here instead...

Direct quote from this story... (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050401/ap_on_re_eu/pope_signs_1)

"The formal Vatican tradition goes like this:

"When a pope dies, the prefect of the papal household, currently American Archbishop James Harvey, tells the camerlengo, or chamberlain, who is the most important official running the Holy See in the period between the death of a pope and the election of a new one.

"The camerlengo, now Cardinal Eduardo Martinez Somalo of Spain, must then verify the death — a process which in the past was done by striking the forehead of the pope with a silver hammer. "

Yeesh! You think that's where the Beatles got the idea?

Bang-bang, Martinez' Silver Hammer made sure he was dead... :lol:

Bandoman
04-01-05, 01:35 PM
The pope is dead.

adamblast
04-01-05, 01:57 PM
Or not, depending on what newschannel you watch.

CRM114
04-01-05, 02:02 PM
You mean Catholic priests are moving on from the child molestation debauchery?

-ohbfrank- Good times.

Venom
04-02-05, 04:05 AM
when you die... the sham is over.

and they don't like that. obviosuly "heavan" ain't so great when at all costs you must prevented from "going."

OldDude
04-02-05, 01:52 PM
I might be more sympathetic to the views the Church has on abortion if they weren't so anal about contraceptives.

and altar boys.


(OldDude reserves his ticket to Hell)

Draven
04-04-05, 03:50 PM
Gotta love a group of men who don't have sex trying to restrict abortion.

Static Cling
04-04-05, 06:18 PM
Gotta love a group of men who don't have sex trying to restrict abortion. If we're going to continue along that line of thought as if it were valid, let's also tell all the male ob/gyn doctors that they should really find a new line of work because they don't have vaginas. I'm guessing unmarried people who counsel husbands and wives on their marriages would be the next to go after that.

Pharoh
04-05-05, 12:00 AM
If we're going to continue along that line of thought as if it were valid, let's also tell all the male ob/gyn doctors that they should really find a new line of work because they don't have vaginas. I'm guessing unmarried people who counsel husbands and wives on their marriages would be the next to go after that.


God love you Mike.

sfsdfd
04-05-05, 12:05 AM
If we're going to continue along that line of thought as if it were valid, let's also tell all the male ob/gyn doctors that they should really find a new line of work because they don't have vaginas.
Hey, that whole "glass house/brick" thing only applies to you guys. ;)

But while we're at it, let's talk about Tom DeLay's attitudes about withdrawing life support from terminally ill patients... god I hate that guy...

- David Stein

chanster
04-05-05, 01:57 AM
To tell you the truth, the largest Catholic order out there is the Jesuits, who are as liberal as they come nowadays. Opus Dei, the arch-conservative group, has been gaining though.

The Church is not a monolithic organization..there are plenty of viewpoints in there.

Pharoh
04-05-05, 10:44 PM
To tell you the truth, the largest Catholic order out there is the Jesuits, who are as liberal as they come nowadays. Opus Dei, the arch-conservative group, has been gaining though.

The Church is not a monolithic organization..there are plenty of viewpoints in there.


There are more than a couple priestly orders more liberal than the Jesuits, who have always been considered rather conservative. Compared to some though, they would be more liberal in beliefs.

The Opus Dei are not an order in the same manner as the Jesuits or Dominicans. The LoC are, which is why I mentioned them earlier. Your larger point though is extremely spot on. Both the LoC and the OD have been growing much more strongly, in numbers and prominence, over the last twenty years, including having many supporters and followers in the College of Cardinals. Yet these groups remain but one part of the Catholic Church.

Draven
04-05-05, 11:46 PM
If we're going to continue along that line of thought as if it were valid, let's also tell all the male ob/gyn doctors that they should really find a new line of work because they don't have vaginas. I'm guessing unmarried people who counsel husbands and wives on their marriages would be the next to go after that.

I disagree about the ob/gyn. You can have medical knowledge without performing it on yourself.

I agree about the marriage counselors though. How anyone who isn't married thinks they can give advice on what it's like to be married is beyond me (and I've been to marriage counseling, both secular and Catholic.)

Back to the abortion issue, I just don't like a bunch of men mucking around with an issue that only affects women. Many disagree with that stance, but I've never waivered on it.

Mark_vdH
04-06-05, 07:57 AM
If we're going to continue along that line of thought as if it were valid, let's also tell all the male ob/gyn doctors that they should really find a new line of work because they don't have vaginas. I'm guessing unmarried people who counsel husbands and wives on their marriages would be the next to go after that.Anyone can choose a gyn doctor or marriage counselor. If you want marital advice from someone who is married, you get it from someone who's married.

These doctors/counselors don't pick their patients and bitch about their decisions without the patients asking for it...

Static Cling
04-06-05, 04:40 PM
I agree about the marriage counselors though. How anyone who isn't married thinks they can give advice on what it's like to be married is beyond me (and I've been to marriage counseling, both secular and Catholic.) Just because someone isn't married doesn't mean they can't understand the stresses and relationships between a husband and a wife. I don't think it's a prerequisite to being a marriage counselor in the States
Back to the abortion issue, I just don't like a bunch of men mucking around with an issue that only affects women. Many disagree with that stance, but I've never waivered on it. Just because you've never wavered on it doesn't mean you're correct. :) It's an issue that only affects women if you ignore both:

- the man who is the father of the baby
- the baby him/herself