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Myster X
03-30-05, 01:12 AM
:lol: punishing people for using alternative non-polluting form of transportation
must refrain from calling her "psychotic" :crap:
How often do you see a bicycle dump along the sidewalk on city streets like used CRT monitor?

http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=130985

SACRAMENTO -- A South Bay lawmaker has proposed a $7 fee on every new bicycle sold in California to promote a statewide recycling and reuse program.

Buyers would receive $3 back when they turned their bikes in to a certified recycler or community group that refurbishes and reuses the popular mode of transportation.

"Our landfills are jammed. Why not recycle parts of bicycles?" said Assemblywoman Betty Karnette, a Long Beach Democrat who represents the Palos Verdes Peninsula and part of the Harbor Area. "We can put bikes together and sell them cheaply or give them to people who can't afford bikes."

Karnette's proposal is not unprecedented. For years California has charged a deposit on cans and bottles to fund recycling programs. More recently, California has started collecting $6 to $10 on every new television and computer monitor sold to offset disposal costs.

Nevertheless, the legislation has sparked a debate in the bicycling community over whether the fee would lead to more users by providing affordable bikes or if higher prices would hurt independent dealers who actively promote cycling through rides and education.

In Oakland, the Cycles of Change nonprofit works with schools to offer bicycle safety and maintenance programs for 800 students. Those who complete the course can take home a bike.

"It would be very helpful," said Maya Carson, the program's co- director. "It would mean we could continue in the future and keep up with demand."

Demand also is booming at an innovative bicycle lending program in Arcata, home to Humboldt State University. Residents check out bicycles much like books. For a refundable $20 deposit, they can use the bike for six months.

"It's a simple way to get people to use bicycles," said Bill Burton, who oversees the Arcata Library Bike project.

But not all bicycling enthusiasts eagerly embrace the idea of paying $7 more when they are ready for a new one.

"Any time you add a fee to a new product it's almost like an additional tax. Taxes for consumers are unfriendly, to say the least," said Brian Cox, a vice president of Jax Bicycle Center, a five-store chain in Southern California.

Cox said there may be better alternatives that the biking community could explore with Karnette since her goals -- reducing landfill waste, encouraging more riders and helping those who cannot afford a new bike -- are laudable.

Justin Fanslau, a lobbyist for the California Bicycle Coalition, said cyclists and retailers would be more interested in participating in voluntary recycling and reuse programs.

"I would imagine folks who purchase bikes in their own community, if given the option, would want to benefit their community," Fanslau said.

Fred Clements, executive director of a Costa Mesa-based national coalition of specialty bicycle dealers, worries that higher fees would drive away business.

"A $7 charge would be difficult for them to handle," he said. "There's not a lot of profit. It's a business of passion."

Clements said lawmakers could find better targets for a redemption program.

"There are things thrown away that seem to be more onerous than bicycles," he said. "Bicycle riding should be encouraged -- not discouraged."

Clements and the others are not convinced bicycles are dumped in landfills in large numbers. Many are turned over to charities, resold at yard sales or just gather dust in garages, they said.

The higher-end models "are not disposable products. These are lifetime products," Clements said.

Californians buy 3 million to 4 million bicycles a year. Most pay less than $100 at discount stores, according to industry figures.

The legislation, AB 1103, leaves it up to the Integrated Waste Management Board to implement the program, including tracking sales of bicycles that qualify for a refund.

California landfills take in an estimated 250,000 bicycles a year, Karnette estimated.

"We're going to have to do something," she said. "This is a beginning."

kvrdave
03-30-05, 01:15 AM
Why in the world would any public official think that this is an arena the government needs to be involved in? We have more landfill space than we know what to do with.

mikehunt
03-30-05, 02:57 AM
:lol:
ok, I take back my comment about erie county having the most pathetic politicians

spainlinx0
03-30-05, 03:27 AM
I just can't imagine that many bikes being thrown out.

DarkElf
03-30-05, 04:34 AM
I just can't imagine that many bikes being thrown out.
That's what I'm thinking too. I mean, I can't remember the last time I saw a bike sitting out with the trash bins on Monday. Shit, I bought my bike 20 years ago, and it's still great despite minimal maintenance. I expect most of the dead bikes are ones that are vandalized while chained up, or simply abandoned.

I don't know how I feel on this. On the one hand, it's a nice cause with good intentions, but the road to hell has been paved many times over. And it's not like someone will spend $100 on a bike, but $107? NO WAY! :shrug:

However, it's yet another tax, and like we don't have enough of them in CA as it is. CA can't just keep on imposing tax after tax after tax whenever they have a problem to solve. I'm all for recycling, but how many bikes do people buy in a lifetime? It's not like CRV and bottles, where many people buy dozens each month.

If there are so many bikes going to the landfills, then you'd think some industrious soul would figure out a way to build a business on this. Or have the community groups gather up the bikes that are being disposed. There has to be a better way than to impose a fee on everyone who buys a bicyle. That's the easy way out for CA lawmakers, just throw on another tax.

I'd have to hear some alternative methods besides just all voluntary, but unless I hear something compelling, I think I'm against this too.

This reminds me... Whatever happened to S.F. taxing shoppers for grocery bags? Did that get implemented, and if so, how is it working out?