MODESTO, Calif. -- One former first lady is offering predictions about another.
Barbara Bush said former first lady, and current senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the Democratic candidate for president in 2008.
But Sen. Clinton won't be the nation's first female president, at least not according to Mrs. Bush.
Mrs. Bush, 79, said Clinton will lose in the next election.
Mrs. Bush also predicted Condoleezza Rice won't run for president in the next election.
Mrs. Bush spoke to high school and college students in Modesto, Calif. She told them she never dreamed she'd be the wife of one president and the mother of another.
As for the current chief executive, his mother jokes that when he was a boy, she "just hoped he'd grow up."
Brain Stew
03-25-05, 02:09 PM
Wow, who the fuck cares what Barabara Bush thinks? Regardless of where you stand with Hillary.
dick_grayson
03-25-05, 02:09 PM
Wow, who the fuck cares what Barabara Bush thinks? Regardless of where you stand with Hillary.
I was about to post the same thing.
Red Dog
03-25-05, 02:10 PM
Wow, who the fuck cares what Barabara Bush thinks? Regardless of where you stand with Hillary.
I agree, even though she is right.
wendersfan
03-25-05, 02:26 PM
It's very possible that Mrs. Bush was actually asked her opinion on the matter, rather than soliciting it without prompting. In that case, the question should be what dumbass reporter thinks her opinion is worth soliciting?
classicman2
03-25-05, 02:26 PM
I've got news for Barbara - her younger son won't win in 2008 either.
Pharoh
03-25-05, 02:27 PM
I agree, even though she is right.
What he said.
Pharoh
03-25-05, 02:27 PM
I've got news for Barbara - her younger son won't win in 2008 either.
Wouldn't he have to want to run for that to happen?
kvrdave
03-25-05, 02:30 PM
I the fuck care!
Okay, I don't, but someone had to say it. :)
X
03-25-05, 02:30 PM
Millie told her to say it 'cause even she knows that.
classicman2
03-25-05, 02:30 PM
Wouldn't he have to want to run for that to happen?
Mrs. Bush doesn't know that Hillary is going to run either.
Ranger
03-25-05, 02:34 PM
Why do I have the feeling that the next election will have even worse candidates?
Red Dog
03-25-05, 02:35 PM
Why do I have the feeling that the next election will have even worse candidates?
I fear the worst right along with you.
classicman2
03-25-05, 02:53 PM
I feel the opposite. IMO, we'll have better candidates to choose from in 2008.
nemein
03-25-05, 02:55 PM
Why do I have the feeling that the next election will have even worse candidates?
I'm been trying to find a solid reference to a rumor I heard on CSPAN that other day... it seems some of the same people who are pusing for allowing naturalized citizens to be elligible to run for President might also be pushing to do away w/ the 2 term limitation. I doubt it'll happen (considering there were similar rumors during Clinton's term) but it's some food for thought ;)
Red Dog
03-25-05, 02:56 PM
I feel the opposite. IMO, we'll have better candidates to choose from in 2008.
Well the GOP better put up a real humdinger to counteract the drop in 'quality' to Hillary. :lol:
Red Dog
03-25-05, 02:57 PM
it seems some of the same people who are pusing for allowing naturalized citizens to be elligible to run for President might also be pushing to do away w/ the 2 term limitation.
There is talk of this during every 2nd term of a presidency. Nothing will come of it.
sracer
03-25-05, 02:59 PM
It is a good thing to ask Mrs. Bush about what is going to happen in 2008. Everyone knows that the Republicans rigged the past 2 elections and already have plans in place to take care of 2008's election. Who better to ask than the wife of the mastermind behind it all?
classicman2
03-25-05, 03:03 PM
I'm not all certain (though I believe she will) that Hillary will run in 2008. She's making noises like a candidate. If she does choose to run, it's not a lock that she will receive the nomination. Maybe the Democratic primary will wake up and choose a centrist who has a shot at winning. I wouldn't bet on it though. ;)
Who knows who the Repub candidate will be. By then the Republican primary electorate may have such a gut full of Bushes that they too will do an about face and select a candidate from the liberal wing of the Republican Party. I damn sure wouldn't bet on that. ;)
Well the GOP better put up a real humdinger to counteract the drop in 'quality' to Hillary. :lol:
He might actually have to be breathing.
Pharoh
03-25-05, 03:17 PM
I feel the opposite. IMO, we'll have better candidates to choose from in 2008.
We will have much inferior campaigners though.
I also disagree with you on the quality of the candidates.
dick_grayson
03-25-05, 03:19 PM
Who does she like in the NCAA tournament?
paulringodaman
03-25-05, 03:36 PM
It is a good thing to ask Mrs. Bush about what is going to happen in 2008. Everyone knows that the Republicans rigged the past 2 elections and already have plans in place to take care of 2008's election. Who better to ask than the wife of the mastermind behind it all?
You took the words right out of my mouth!..You beat me to it!
classicman2
03-25-05, 04:01 PM
We will have much inferior campaigners though.
I also disagree with you on the quality of the candidates.
You're saying that John Kerry was a good campaigner?
I won't argue about Bush - he's a good campaigner.
dick_grayson
03-25-05, 04:02 PM
I won't argue about Bush - he's a good campaigner.
well, it helps when you've got more in your warchest than any incumbant in history.
classicman2
03-25-05, 04:04 PM
It is a good thing to ask Mrs. Bush about what is going to happen in 2008. Everyone knows that the Republicans rigged the past 2 elections and already have plans in place to take care of 2008's election. Who better to ask than the wife of the mastermind behind it all?
I don't know that the Repubs rigged the last 2 elections and neither do you.
Some (not very plausible argument) can be made about 2000. None can be made about 2004.
and if you mean politician in the "Richard Nixon" sense, then I agree with your second statement.
kvrdave
03-25-05, 04:16 PM
Who does she like in the NCAA tournament?
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weargle
03-25-05, 04:17 PM
It is a good thing to ask Mrs. Bush about what is going to happen in 2008. Everyone knows that the Republicans rigged the past 2 elections and already have plans in place to take care of 2008's election. Who better to ask than the wife of the mastermind behind it all?
All right, who took your tin foil helmet this time?
classicman2
03-25-05, 04:19 PM
Bush is no meaner than other presidential candidate that I can remember.
He's a very very good politician - grossly underestimated by the Democrats in 2000, just as the Texas Democrats did when he ran for governor.
VinVega
03-25-05, 04:47 PM
I really don't care what the Silver Fox has to say about Presidential prognostications. Not that any of you care what I have to say though. :D
Personally, I feel that Hillary would be a better candidate than Kerry and a much, much better candidate than Gore. The Republicans will have to choose wisely to ensure she is defeated, assuming she can acquire her own party's nomination.
There will be substantial concern within her own party about her inherent divisiveness, and that concern will be covered by the media with great enthusiasm, which will in turn cast a sinister glow over the general election.
In short, the whole country-bitterly-divided-red-versus-blue schtick won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
classicman2
03-25-05, 05:32 PM
The principal problem for Hillary, IMO, will not be securing the nomination. She has a bunch of baggage to dump in order to win the general election however.
No candidate can galvanize the Repubs like Hillary can.
sracer
03-25-05, 06:11 PM
All right, who took your tin foil helmet this time?
:lol:
What's sad is that some people's views are genuinely so "out there" that my post will actually be taken seriously by some. :lol:
nemein
03-25-05, 06:57 PM
She has a bunch of baggage to dump in order to win the general election however.
I don't think a divorce will gain her any votes though -ptth-
jfoobar
03-26-05, 07:18 PM
No candidate can galvanize the Repubs like Hillary can.
My sadistic side, the side that chuckles when someone runs headlong into one of those glass partitions when the mall is closing, is looking forward to seeing that happen.
DarkestPhoenix
03-27-05, 09:39 AM
Wow, who the fuck cares what Barabara Bush thinks? Regardless of where you stand with Hillary.
Wow. Hope you feel the same when some Hollywood type, Michael Moore/Drew Barrymore douche gets up to talk.
They have just as little, if not less, to do with the political arena than the wife of a president.
LiquidSky
03-28-05, 10:52 AM
Wow. Hope you feel the same when some Hollywood type, Michael Moore/Drew Barrymore douche gets up to talk.
They have just as little, if not less, to do with the political arena than the wife of a president.
Hope you feel the same way when some Hollywood type, douche Patricia Heaton gets up to talk.
TheAllPurposeNothing
03-28-05, 09:43 PM
Bush is no meaner than other presidential candidate that I can remember.
He's a very very good politician - grossly underestimated by the Democrats in 2000, just as the Texas Democrats did when he ran for governor.
Just gotta disagree there. Personally, I think Bush is/was far from a good politician. He has a great tendency to come across as not only incompetent, but also incoherent. But when you have Karl Rove behind you, it really doesn't matter.
Ethics aside, Rove pretty much is a political genius. Without Rove, Bush would have never made it to the general election, let alone the White House.
classicman2
03-28-05, 10:22 PM
Ask another superb politician - Bill Clinton.
He'll tell you how good a politician George W. Bush is.
Ask Ann Richards. She grossly underestimated him as a politician.
Carl Rove is a good strategist. A good strategist is not enough. People don't vote for Carl Rove.
Bill Clinton & George W. Bush are two of the best politicians I've seen, and I've seen quite a few.
He has a great tendency to come across as not only incompetent, but also incoherent. But when you have Karl Rove behind you, it really doesn't matter.
Bush, although born with a silver spoon in his mouth, relates to the average man extremely well. In fact he relates to that average man better than did Bill Clinton.
Brain Stew
03-28-05, 10:50 PM
Wow. Hope you feel the same when some Hollywood type, Michael Moore/Drew Barrymore douche gets up to talk.
They have just as little, if not less, to do with the political arena than the wife of a president.
I do, when someone like Drew Barrymore talks about politics because her interest much like Mrs. Bush's is superficial.
Say what you want about wags and pundits like Michael Moore and Bill O'Reilly, but I will take their opinions over someone who wrote a biography for her dog. Besides, I thought first ladies were supposed to stay out of politics :).
I personally don't think Hillary has a chance in hell in 2008 btw.
Pharoh
03-28-05, 10:59 PM
Ask another superb politician - Bill Clinton.
He'll tell you how good a politician George W. Bush is.
Ask Ann Richards. She grossly underestimated him as a politician.
Carl Rove is a good strategist. A good strategist is not enough. People don't vote for Carl Rove.
Bill Clinton & George W. Bush are two of the best politicians I've seen, and I've seen quite a few.
Bush, although born with a silver spoon in his mouth, relates to the average man extremely well. In fact he relates to that average man better than did Bill Clinton.
I honestly don't even know how this is in question any longer.
TheAllPurposeNothing
03-29-05, 12:59 AM
Ask another superb politician - Bill Clinton.
He'll tell you how good a politician George W. Bush is.
Ask Ann Richards. She grossly underestimated him as a politician.
Carl Rove is a good strategist. A good strategist is not enough. People don't vote for Carl Rove.
Bill Clinton & George W. Bush are two of the best politicians I've seen, and I've seen quite a few.
Bush, although born with a silver spoon in his mouth, relates to the average man extremely well. In fact he relates to that average man better than did Bill Clinton.
A good politician shouldn't need hand picked, core-only audiences with pre-approved questions.
A good politician shouldn't go on the road and find that each time he talks, the numbers for his pet project go down.
A good politician shouldn't enter an election with the worst incumbent numbers in recent politics and exit it with equally bad numbers.
Something can be said for his snake-oil salesman faux-everyman persona...that can not be denied. But even with that certain degree of charm, he tends less to draw new people into his fold and only to re-energize his base. His slim defeat of Kerry says less about himself and, ultimately, more about Kerry as a candidate. If Kerry had come across with even a degree of some form of personable quality, he likely would have crushed Bush.
Politically speaking, most people see Bush's defeat of Richards as more due to the underhanded politicking of Rove than to any particular quality of Bush. The same can be said of Bush's defeat of McCain in the 2000 primaries. A good strategist may not be enough (Rove himself could never get voted for office himself), but without one, Bush would have been little more than a historical footnote.
If nothing else, just remember this. Even putting the electoral votes aside, the guy pulled less popular votes than Al Gore. Al "Stiff as a Board" Gore! That can not be an easy thing to do.
island007
03-29-05, 03:27 AM
A good politician wins. That is the only measuring stick that matters.
classicman2
03-29-05, 07:57 AM
Do you consider Bill Clinton a good politician?
Did Bill Clinton ever receive 50% of the vote?
Politically speaking, most people see Bush's defeat of Richards as more due to the underhanded politicking of Rove than to any particular quality of Bush.
What was the margin of Bush's victory over Richards?
How many primaries did McCain win?
The reason Bush played hardball with McCain during the 2000 Republican Primaries - because the media was in bed with John McCain and refused to cover his campaign with any accuracy whatsoever. McCain would say one thing in SC one day and the very next day (or even that evening) he would say something entirely different in MI. The media would not point that out.
That's the problem with the anti-Bush folks - they believe everything is responsibile for their defeat at the hands of Bush but what the real reason for their defeat was.
LiquidSky
03-29-05, 08:25 AM
Say what you want about wags and pundits like Michael Moore and Bill O'Reilly, but I will take their opinions over someone who wrote a biography for her dog.
Babs Bush wrote a biography for her dog? :lol:
Brain Stew
03-29-05, 08:47 AM
Babs Bush wrote a biography for her dog? :lol:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0688040330/qid=1112104006/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-4067915-9832143?v=glance&s=books
You can get used for the low low price of $0.01.
Brain Stew
03-29-05, 08:47 AM
To be fair, Hillary did put out a book for Socks and Buddy. Apparently it was children's letters to the pets.
The two books should be sold as a combo :)
Buying a book by a Bush AND Hillary Clinton would make many political readers' heads explode.
Toad
03-29-05, 09:02 AM
Wow, who the fuck cares what Barabara Bush thinks? Regardless of where you stand with Hillary.
Probably more than the number who care about what you think.
Kidding.
Couldn't your comment, though, also pertain to any celebrity/musician who talks politics? For that matter, shouldn't it also pertain to us?
Someone "caring" isn't a prerequisite for speaking your mind.
Brain Stew
03-29-05, 09:26 AM
Someone "caring" isn't a prerequisite for speaking your mind.
True, but it is implied when speak your mind to the press that you think someone is listening or does care.
Frankly, I don't care what Drew Barrymore, Barbara Streisand or Leo DiCaprio think.
Toad
03-29-05, 09:33 AM
She was speaking to high school and college students in Modesto, not to the press.
And I agree with you about Barrymore, Streisand and DiCaprio, and will add Alec Baldwin to the mix.
Brain Stew
03-29-05, 09:44 AM
She was speaking to high school and college students in Modesto, not to the press.
And I agree with you about Barrymore, Streisand and DiCaprio, and will add Alec Baldwin to the mix.
Eh, I guess that's alright.
I personally wouldn't go to a Barbara Bush public speaking engagement. I just don't see the big deal. And I'm sure that you will counter that no one would come to hear me speak. But that is immaterial. This is the internet, I am allowed to bash well known people.
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