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Nazgul
03-25-05, 01:19 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/03/24/canada.soldier.ap/index.html

TORONTO (AP) -- The Canadian government has denied refugee status to former U.S. Army paratrooper Jeremy Hinzman, a major blow to a handful of U.S. military deserters who have fled to Canada rather than fight in a war they claim commits atrocities against civilians.

Thursday's decision, which was formally announced on a government Web site, could affect at least eight -- and possibly dozens more -- American soldiers seeking refuge in Canada, yet help improve strained relations between Washington and Ottawa.

Canada opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. The Pentagon has urged the deserters to return to the United States and take up their concerns at their respective military bases.

The ruling, written by Immigration and Refugee Board member Brian Goodman, said Hinzman had not made a convincing argument that he would face persecution or cruel and unusual punishment if sent back to the United States.

Goodman said that while Hinzman may face some employment and social discrimination, "The treatment does not amount to a violation of a fundamental human right, and the harm is not serious."

Hinzman's attorney, Jeffry House, said his client would appeal the ruling and still believed that he would be granted refugee status in Canada.

"He is disappointed," House told CBC TV. "We don't believe that people should be imprisoned for doing what they believe is illegal."

Hinzman, 26, fled from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, in January 2004, weeks before his 82nd Airborne Division was due to be deployed to Iraq. He had served three years in the Army, but had applied for conscientious objector status before his unit was sent to Afghanistan in 2002.

Hinzman lives with his wife and toddler son in Toronto, where Quakers and the War Resisters coalition of anti-war groups have taken on his cause and provided some shelter. Coalition supporters intend to demonstrate later Thursday in front of the U.S. Consulate in Toronto.

Hinzman argued before the Immigration and Refugee Board last December that he would have been taking part in war crimes if he had been deployed with his unit. He claimed the war in Iraq was illegal and he would be persecuted if forced to return to the United States.

Hinzman could face charges of desertion if sent home and would face up to five years in prison. He and seven other U.S. military deserters are being represented by House, a Wisconsin native who came to Canada in 1970 as a draft dodger during the Vietnam War.

House believes there are as many as 100 other American war resisters hiding in Canada, waiting to see how Hinzman's case is played out before coming forward. He said the 30,000 to 50,000 Americans who fled to Canada during Vietnam and were allowed to settle here, but that Hinzman would have become the first American soldier to be granted political asylum in Canada.

During the Vietnam era, young American men could be drafted into military service, but now enlistment in U.S. military is voluntary. The military attracts many young recruits with job skills training and programs that help pay for university.

Pvt. 1st Class Joshua Key, 26, of Oklahoma City is the latest war resister to flee to Toronto, arriving two weeks ago with his wife and four children. He told the Toronto Star that he served in Iraq with the 43rd Combat Engineering Company, which was deployed in April 2003.

Key said he served eight months in Iraq before he left the military when he was on leave back at the 43rd's base in Fort Carson, Colorado in December 2003.

"I was in combat the entire time I was there," said Key. "I left for Iraq with a purpose, thinking this was another Hitler deal. But there were no weapons of mass destruction. They had no military whatsoever. And I started to wonder."


Good for Canada. (It's rare we hear that 'round these parts) :)

mikehunt
03-25-05, 01:30 AM
good

natevines
03-25-05, 08:04 AM
Yes, this is the first time I can look upon Canada with satisfaction. Anyhow, they need to do this lest they should create an international crisis. This fool signs up for the military but then refuses to fight. Wtf?

Michael Ballack
03-25-05, 08:51 AM
Now I'm going to have to find another place to hide if we go to war with Iran or Korea and the draft is reinstated. I hope we just nuke them and save many American lives.

eXcentris
03-25-05, 09:55 AM
Yes, this is the first time I can look upon Canada with satisfaction.

Huh? Did you just find it on the map? You talk as if we're friggin North Korea or something...

LorenzoL
03-25-05, 10:06 AM
Yes, this is the first time I can look upon Canada with satisfaction.

-screwy-

Venusian
03-25-05, 10:34 AM
Hinzman, 26, fled from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, in January 2004, weeks before his 82nd Airborne Division was due to be deployed to Iraq. He had served three years in the Army, but had applied for conscientious objector status before his unit was sent to Afghanistan in 2002.



So he had no problem for 3 years and then when it was time to deploy, he had objections? I guess he could have had a change of heart but it sounds like he wanted the benefits of the military without the risks

classicman2
03-25-05, 11:21 AM
I guess he could have had a change of heart but it sounds like he wanted the benefits of the military without the risks.

Oh, what makes you think that? ;)

mikehunt
03-25-05, 12:10 PM
does the death penalty for desertion in time of war only apply to congress's officially declared wars?

B.A.
03-25-05, 12:12 PM
Huh? Did you just find it on the map? You talk as if we're friggin North Korea or something...rotfl

classicman2
03-25-05, 12:18 PM
does the death penalty for desertion in time of war only apply to congress's officially declared wars?

It doesn't apply to this case.

Venusian
03-25-05, 12:21 PM
why not?

i was talking to a former air force guy the other day and he was talking about it applying to someone (not this case). are there stipulations on it?

mikehunt
03-25-05, 12:28 PM
well, I'm sure they wouldn't push for the death penalty in this case. but it'd still be desertion wouldn't it?

nemein
03-25-05, 12:36 PM
If they pushed for the death penalty in this case it would give the guy more ammo for saying he's a political refugee.

classicman2
03-25-05, 12:59 PM
How many times in the history of the Republic has a soldier been executed for desertion?

Venusian
03-25-05, 01:35 PM
i'm not saying they would, i'm asking if they could...does the rule apply? the only reason i could see why not is because congress hasn't declared war

Nazgul
03-25-05, 01:57 PM
We don't need to execute him. He can sit in Leavenworth with the rest of his "deserting" buddies for the next 50 years.

Nighthawk
03-25-05, 02:36 PM
"He is disappointed," House told CBC TV. "We don't believe that people should be imprisoned for doing what they believe is illegal."

?? :whofart: :whofart: ??

kvrdave
03-25-05, 03:04 PM
Huh? Did you just find it on the map? You talk as if we're friggin North Korea or something...

:lol: And don't forget curling. The only reason I still love Canada. :up:

mikehunt
03-25-05, 05:35 PM
How many times in the history of the Republic has a soldier been executed for desertion?


one since the civil war. google search indicates 49 people were sentenced to death for desertion in WW2 but only one was carried out

gcbrowni
03-28-05, 08:05 AM
There's a movie (made for Tv in the 70's?) "The Execution of Eddie Slovic" about the WW2 desertion execution.

wmansir
03-28-05, 09:28 AM
Actually it was "The Execution of Private Slovic (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071477/)". But you are right about it being made for TV, in 1974. Martin Sheen played Slovic.