It's been like this in the past, but never this bad. I went to the movies tonight and every single poster and standee they had up was for a remake or a sequel.
This is what the posters were... no joke
Guess Who?
Amityville Horror
Aeon Flux
The Ring 2
The Longest Yard
The Pink Panther
War of the Worlds
Batman Begins
Miss Congeniality 2
Not to mention movies like Bad News Bears, Dark Water, House of Wax, Herbie, Son of the Mask, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Oceans 12... and others I'm sure.
Anyone else annoyed by this at all? Was there some sort of strike in Hollywood that we're just now feeling the effects of?
The Infidel
03-19-05, 07:33 AM
Hollywood is running out of original ideas...at least ones that will actually either sell, or that haven't been done already in some other form.
Giantrobo
03-19-05, 08:19 AM
When Hollywood has original ideas or tries to do something different the nutcases on the Net give them shit.
scott shelton
03-19-05, 09:36 AM
Point taken.
But wouldn't these just be considered new adaptations?
Amityville Horror
Aeon Flux
War of the Worlds
Michael Corvin
03-19-05, 10:14 AM
Nothing new. It is the same about every other year.
[officer Barbrady]Move along. There's nothing to see here.[/officer Barbrady]
Jackskeleton
03-19-05, 10:35 AM
Don't we have one of these threads every few months? It's nothing new and you are just thinking of it as different, but it's really all the same.
Giantrobo
03-19-05, 10:41 AM
Making remakes and sequels is nothing new to Hollywood. Sometimes movies were remade or adapted just a few years later back in the 30's and 40's.
LorenzoL
03-19-05, 11:01 AM
Nothing new. It is the same about every other year.
[officer Barbrady]Move along. There's nothing to see here.[/officer Barbrady]
What Michael Corvin said.
Hendrik
03-19-05, 11:59 AM
It's been like this in the past, but never this bad. I went to the movies tonight and every single poster and standee they had up was for a remake or a sequel.
This is what the posters were... no joke
Guess Who?
Amityville Horror
Aeon Flux
The Ring 2
The Longest Yard
The Pink Panther
War of the Worlds
Batman Begins
Miss Congeniality 2
Not to mention movies like Bad News Bears, Dark Water, House of Wax, Herbie, Son of the Mask, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Oceans 12... and others I'm sure.
Anyone else annoyed by this at all? Was there some sort of strike in Hollywood that we're just now feeling the effects of?
...erm... MGM's "Ben-Hur" (1959) was a remake of MGM's "Ben-Hur" (1925) / MGM's "Mutiny On The Bounty" (1962) was a remake of MGM's "Mutiny On The Bounty" (1935) / MGM's "Father's Little Dividend" (1951) was a sequel to MGM's "Father Of The Bride" (1950), and was like as not made to cash in on the earlier movie's huge success worldwide / Hitchcock's "The Man Who Knew Too Much" (1956) was a remake of Hitchcock's "The Man Who Knew Too Much" (1934) / Cecil B. DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" (1956) was a remake of DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" (1923)... and on... and on... and on... nothing new under the sun...
. . . :o . . .
Trigger
03-19-05, 03:32 PM
Geez - whatever... I said it's been like this before in the first post. I realize it's nothing new... however, this is the first time I've seen where every single poster at the theater was a remake or a sequel. That's gotta be a new low, right? Or can you guys produce an old thread where this has happened before to this magnitude? If you can, I'm fine with this thread being merged.
Michael Corvin
03-19-05, 03:38 PM
Trigger, I don't know the year but I was thinking the same thing probably 2 years ago but it is hard to tell now.
Yes, remakes exist. Yes, Hollwood is out of ideas. No, they're not gonna stop unless people stop paying to go see them.
Those two threads are smililar to each other, but neither are the same as this one. This thread was more about the moment in time when I saw every single poster lined up at a theater being for either a sequel or a remake. It was a surreal moment. I would've expected at least one poster to be of one of the few upcoming movies that isn't a sequel or remake. I mean - I've been alive for 31 years and have been into movies since I was 5... I'm fully aware that hollywood has been doing this for decades.
jfoobar
03-19-05, 03:54 PM
Nothing new. It is the same about every other year.
Also agree. I suspct there are probably thousands of promising, original scripts floating around Hollywood that no one will green light or even give the time of day. Too bad.
deepDepression
03-19-05, 03:55 PM
has anyone notised that also movies coming out now are kinda... on the lame side for the most part like un scarie... stupid almost? I mean it could be me but still I mean yeah almost everything is based on a book... its getting boring
TheNightFlier
03-19-05, 05:11 PM
Amityville Horror
Aeon Flux
The Ring 2
The Longest Yard
The Pink Panther
War of the Worlds
Batman Begins
Miss Congeniality 2
Miss Congeniality 2??? :whofart:
jaeufraser
03-19-05, 06:02 PM
Those two threads are smililar to each other, but neither are the same as this one. This thread was more about the moment in time when I saw every single poster lined up at a theater being for either a sequel or a remake. It was a surreal moment. I would've expected at least one poster to be of one of the few upcoming movies that isn't a sequel or remake. I mean - I've been alive for 31 years and have been into movies since I was 5... I'm fully aware that hollywood has been doing this for decades.
Maybe it's just the theater you went to. It's not like every movie coming out this year actually is a remake or a sequel, it just so happens the theater you went to only had posters for remakes and sequels. Had they put up a poster for Kingdom of Heaven, The Interpreter, King's Ransom, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, House of Wax, Madagascar, Mindhunters, A Sound of Thunder, Cinderella Man, Lords of Dogtown, Mr and Mrs Smith, The Island, The Weather Man, The Brothers Grimm, Elizabethtown...ok I'll stop, but I'm sure you get my point.
You just happened to stumble on a theater that had posters for just remakes and sequels. This could've happened last year, 5 years ago, 10 years ago. But it happened to you this year. I can't really say the magnitude is that much different. I will agree that a lot of the higher profile, big budget films are falling into this category and these are the ones that fall into this category. But it's not that big a difference from any other recent year.
RyoHazuki
03-19-05, 06:09 PM
House of Wax is a remake.
Trigger
03-19-05, 06:13 PM
Miss Congeniality 2??? :whofart:
did I spell it wrong?
Trigger
03-19-05, 06:31 PM
Maybe it's just the theater you went to. It's not like every movie coming out this year actually is a remake or a sequel, it just so happens the theater you went to only had posters for remakes and sequels. Had they put up a poster for Kingdom of Heaven, The Interpreter, King's Ransom, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, House of Wax, Madagascar, Mindhunters, A Sound of Thunder, Cinderella Man, Lords of Dogtown, Mr and Mrs Smith, The Island, The Weather Man, The Brothers Grimm, Elizabethtown...ok I'll stop, but I'm sure you get my point.
You just happened to stumble on a theater that had posters for just remakes and sequels. This could've happened last year, 5 years ago, 10 years ago. But it happened to you this year. I can't really say the magnitude is that much different. I will agree that a lot of the higher profile, big budget films are falling into this category and these are the ones that fall into this category. But it's not that big a difference from any other recent year.Yeah - House of Wax is a remake. Out of those others you listed though, very few of them are from fresh or original ideas... but yeah - I get your point.
I was just remarking on a moment I experienced at a local theater. I'm aware that different theaters carry different posters. Still... it's pretty weird to see 9 posters all lined up that are all rehashed crap. It was a sign to me that things have hit a new low. I mean, there's always been sequels and remakes since forever, but there's always been a balance of new ideas combined with old. This was just a bunch of recycled crap. And theoretically, there's only so many original ideas... so few in fact that everything new has already been done... in theory.
TheNightFlier
03-19-05, 06:34 PM
did I spell it wrong?
:lol:
I mean I had so many unanswered questions after Miss Congeniality 1, of course we need a sequel ;)
Trigger
03-19-05, 06:37 PM
:lol:
I mean I had so many unanswered questions after Miss Congeniality 1, of course we need a sequel ;)
Oh, I know, right? It's like the best idea since Legally Blonde 2.
TheNightFlier
03-19-05, 06:42 PM
Oh, I know, right? It's like the best idea since Legally Blonde 2.
I don't have a problem with stuff like Batman Begins (which I can't wait to see), War of the Worlds..etc
It's the pointless sequels of movies that are all tied up nice and neat at the end. And remakes of movies that weren't all that popular when they came out 10-20 years ago.
Trigger
03-19-05, 06:44 PM
Ok - I tried to convince you this thread was original - and to me, it was... but it's clear you guys aren't buying it. So I'll let this thread become its own irony - a thread about remakes and sequels turns out to be a rehash of previous threads.
Trigger
03-19-05, 06:46 PM
I don't have a problem with stuff like Batman Begins (which I can't wait to see), War of the Worlds..etc
It's the pointless sequels of movies that are all tied up nice and neat at the end. And remakes of movies that weren't all that popular when they came out 10-20 years ago.
Someone should start a petition to hollywood to have them drop the price of movies by 3 bucks or something until they start bringing up the quality of their films again. Looking at the oscar nominees for the past year or two was pretty sad IMO - not to mention all the crap they shoveled.
cfloyd3
03-19-05, 07:15 PM
Welcome to 5 years ago.
PopcornTreeCt
03-19-05, 11:11 PM
Aeon Flux is not a remake.
FantasticVSDoom
03-19-05, 11:55 PM
I don't have a problem with stuff like Batman Begins (which I can't wait to see), War of the Worlds..etc
It's the pointless sequels of movies that are all tied up nice and neat at the end. And remakes of movies that weren't all that popular when they came out 10-20 years ago.
But if we are going to be critical of remakes and sequels, shouldn’t we criticize them all? I mean what is the point of either one of these? Yes I know we look forward to these and others (Superman, Xmen3, etc) but a sequel is a sequel and just as unoriginal whether or not we want it or not.
badger1997
03-20-05, 03:35 AM
I was just remarking on a moment I experienced at a local theater. I'm aware that different theaters carry different posters. Still... it's pretty weird to see 9 posters all lined up that are all rehashed crap.Wow, even by DVDTalk standards this has got to be a new low. Now we can tell just from the posters and standups that a movie is "rehashed crap"? Why even bother going to see movies any more because apparently we all know before we see them how they are going to be. :rolleyes:
badger1997
03-20-05, 03:39 AM
But if we are going to be critical of remakes and sequels, shouldn’t we criticize them all? I mean what is the point of either one of these?What's the point? Mindless entertainment perhaps? Seems simple, but especially in the summer, which is when War of the Worlds and Batman Begins come out, that brings in the people.
I personally don't care how deep a movie is, how original it is, or whether it's supposed to reveal to me the secret of life. Sure those are great things to have in a movie and I love those kind of movies too. But I mostly want to be entertained. Some people ripped on Ocean's 11 as being a fluffy remake, but so what? I enjoyed it and apparently millions of others did too. Isn't one of the points of making films in the first place? Entertainment?
Trigger
03-20-05, 03:47 AM
Wow, even by DVDTalk standards this has got to be a new low. Now we can tell just from the posters and standups that a movie is "rehashed crap"? Why even bother going to see movies any more because apparently we all know before we see them how they are going to be. :rolleyes:
c'mon - I didn't mean it like that... I have no idea if they're gonna be good movies or not. There's a few of em that I'm looking forward to. I'm saying rehashed crap because I'd like to see something new and fresh and good rather than have hollywood going back to the same well over and over. Guess I deserve being called on that one though - I'm one of the biggest nags about people crapping on movies that aren't even out yet. So... touche.
FantasticVSDoom
03-20-05, 10:22 AM
What's the point? Mindless entertainment perhaps? Seems simple, but especially in the summer, which is when War of the Worlds and Batman Begins come out, that brings in the people.
I personally don't care how deep a movie is, how original it is, or whether it's supposed to reveal to me the secret of life. Sure those are great things to have in a movie and I love those kind of movies too. But I mostly want to be entertained. Some people ripped on Ocean's 11 as being a fluffy remake, but so what? I enjoyed it and apparently millions of others did too. Isn't one of the points of making films in the first place? Entertainment?
I agree...I was just pointing out that a number of times around here we criticize sequels and remakes we dont want to see while some of the movies we are most looking forward to are actually a remake or a sequel.
When I go see a movie, I want a movie to entertain me or I want a movie that will make me think or feel something. If a movie can do that or both, then it doesnt matter to me if its original, a remake, or a sequel. Ill take a decent sequel or remake to a shitty original movie anyday.
TheNightFlier
03-20-05, 10:48 AM
But if we are going to be critical of remakes and sequels, shouldn’t we criticize them all? I mean what is the point of either one of these? Yes I know we look forward to these and others (Superman, Xmen3, etc) but a sequel is a sequel and just as unoriginal whether or not we want it or not.
It's the pointless sequels; ie Miss Congeniality 2 or Legally Blonde 2. The movies that were all tied up nice and neat at the end, then the studios saw that they could milk a little bit more out of them due to the box office. I'm sure the demand for Miss Congeniality 2 was overwhelming.
I'm not going to criticize Be Cool, Batman Begins, X-Men 3, etc, they all have their stories already written for them in novels and comics. It isn't the studio execs and writers pulling stuff out of their collective asses to throw up on the screen for a quick buck.
Jay G.
03-20-05, 12:04 PM
It's the pointless sequels; ie Miss Congeniality 2 or Legally Blonde 2. The movies that were all tied up nice and neat at the end, then the studios saw that they could milk a little bit more out of them due to the box office.
Toy Story was tied up nice and neat at the end, so does that mean Toy Story 2 doesn't have a right to exist? How about Star Wars? How about Alien, Terminator, Evil Dead, Before Sunrise, Die Hard, or Lethal Weapon?
It doesn't matter how "tied up" the original storyline was, as long as the sequel is actually good.
I'm not going to criticize Be Cool, Batman Begins, X-Men 3, etc, they all have their stories already written for them in novels and comics. It isn't the studio execs and writers pulling stuff out of their collective asses to throw up on the screen for a quick buck.
Well, in the case of comics, it's the comic book publisher and the writers pulling stuff out of their collective asses. Or did you think that those comic titles lasted hundreds of issues and several decades because their was an overall storyline initially planned out? Comics are in it for the money too, or else the publishers would stop a title as soon as the original creators abandon it.
As for writers, Elmore Leonard wrote Be Cool after the success of Get Shorty, the movie. Now, he may or may not have written it even if Get Shorty hadn't been made and hadn't been a success, but you can't just assume his purpose was entirely without profit in mind. In any case, whatever the goal behind the book, it didn't help make the movie any good.
And again, continuing storylines do not a good movie make. The Wachowski Brothers claimed they had 3 movies already in mind when they made The Matrix, but that didn't make the sequels good. The director of Dungeons and Dragons also claimed to have a trilogy in mind, but does anyone truly want to see him make parts 2 and 3?
Bottom line: most sequels are bad, but then, so are most movies period. All that matters about a film is whether it's good or not.
pdinosaur
03-21-05, 06:53 AM
Those two threads are smililar to each other, but neither are the same as this one.
I think the point he was trying to make is that many people on DVDTalk prefer we not talk. Rather, poring over threads of yesteryear to get answers to the questions that have presumably already been answered.
Ironic isn't it? a thread about hollywood running out of original ideas and a dvdtalk forum that has run out of original topics to discuss?
rennervision
03-21-05, 11:59 AM
Toy Story was tied up nice and neat at the end, so does that mean Toy Story 2 doesn't have a right to exist? How about Star Wars? How about Alien, Terminator, Evil Dead, Before Sunrise, Die Hard, or Lethal Weapon?
It doesn't matter how "tied up" the original storyline was, as long as the sequel is actually good.
I believe one of those examples that spawned a "good" sequel was a typo. ;)
Jay G.
03-21-05, 10:28 PM
I believe one of those examples that spawned a "good" sequel was a typo. ;)
You didn't like Die Hard 3?
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