I recently received a the 4 DVD Box from an order I had placed through Amazon. I already owned the Original 1st Printing of the Seven Samurai (203 Minute Runtime) and this box set included the same 1st Printing.
However, looking at the two DVDs, then the disc art on one of them is opaque and one is metallic. The numbers along the ring are completely different as well.
Were there two versions of the first printing, ie two different types of cover art with different numbers on the ring? Or am I looking at a very good bootleg of the 4-Disc set as I am positive that the original I owned would not be a bootleg.
Thanks
djtoell
03-12-05, 08:32 PM
Did you actually check the content of the disc from the boxset to see if it contains the restoration featurette?
DJ
Corihor1
03-12-05, 09:08 PM
Yes, that was the first thing that I did. Both have the restoration featurette on the Title Menu.
eau
03-12-05, 11:43 PM
What was the 4 DVD Box that you ordered from Amazon? I thought the 1st printing was OOP.
littlefuzzy
03-12-05, 11:52 PM
Did you order from Amazon, or from the Amazon Marketplace? Also, do both copies have the large UPC at the bottom right of the back cover (first printing,) or does either one have the very small UPC at the top right of the back cover?
I have a copy of the first printing which I got at a used store, so I am not 100% sure it is legit (although I am fairly certain it is.)
My copy has a gold background on the top quarter of the disc, with Seven Samurai in a dark red. The letters appear to stand out just a bit from the background. The rest of the disc has black and "white" art on it, with the white portions being clear, showing through to the disc (that might be considered metallic.) The disc is gold, and has Seven Samurai L1 UU2022601 on the outer ring, and Seven Samurai L0 UU2022501 on the inner ring. Both rings have a barcode, and the outer ring also has something like FPI LR76 in very tiny letters.
Cameron
03-12-05, 11:52 PM
i would double check that...the box set was released long after the first pressing was OOP.
Corihor1
03-13-05, 12:57 AM
I was aware that the Box Set was released much later than the 1st Printing which is why I posed the question.
I purchased the set Used on Amazon, but the seller seemed legit. Additionally the box art and other discs seem to be authentic.
The Cover Art of the case from the Box set does not have the barcode.
If both copies that I have are legitimate, the only thing I could guess is that at some point the OOP Disc was switched with the later version of the box set disc.
My post was simply in regards to the disc art itself (opaque vs. metallic) and the difference in numbers. This could be a very good bootleg, or just a weird circumstance.
Again, both discs when put in the player have the restoration feature on the Title Screen.
Lemdog
03-13-05, 01:29 AM
Dude that is weird
eedoon
03-13-05, 08:16 AM
There's a good chance that the boxset is a very good bootleg. I never saw metallic disc art on The Seven Samurai before. About numbers on the disc, can you see barcode and some other logo on both of the disc? I know some Criterion disc used to have a WAMO logo on near those number.
codecomplete
03-13-05, 02:25 PM
Have you emailed Criterion? I'm sure that they can answer this question more definatively. As others have indicated, the 1st printing was long OOP before the boxset was released. I think that the 2nd printing may have been out for a while as well before the boxset was release. It's possible Criterion had extras of the 1st printing and decided to pack them in the boxset and so only they can say if that's the case or not.
littlefuzzy
03-13-05, 03:31 PM
My post was simply in regards to the disc art itself (opaque vs. metallic) and the difference in numbers. This could be a very good bootleg, or just a weird circumstance.
Which version matches my description?
Cameron
03-13-05, 05:54 PM
It's possible Criterion had extras of the 1st printing and decided to pack them in the boxset and so only they can say if that's the case or not.
thats out...reason the feature isn't on later pressing are rights issues...they could only sell them to a certain date, and all had to be recalled. Also note, many people on this site (including myself) own the box set, and this has never happened before.
Something tells me its a boot...or your a lucky bastard...odds are in favor of a boot.
scott1598
03-13-05, 06:02 PM
1st: How could you get a bootleg from Amazon? and
2nd: How could you get a DVD that is long OOP?
Something isn't adding up on your part...do you have scans?
Cameron
03-13-05, 06:16 PM
he said it was used from a seller...
it could have happened, my only thought is someone had a first pressing and then bought the box set...some strange occurence got the wrong disc and case in the box
at the same time....it would take a real idiot to send out their OOP copy without double checking it before being mailed...again I say bootleg
Fok
03-13-05, 07:03 PM
would be interested in seeing some shots of the packaging
Corihor1
03-13-05, 11:11 PM
1st: How could you get a bootleg from Amazon? and
2nd: How could you get a DVD that is long OOP?
Something isn't adding up on your part...do you have scans?
1. You can get a bootleg from Amazon because Z-Shop sellers aren't always legit.
2. It could be a long OOP DVD the same reason that you can get other long OOP DVDs from Amazon as well.
I will post pics of the DVD set when I get a chance.
Corihor1
03-24-05, 12:59 PM
After a little bit of research and talking to a few friends, I finally decided to email the original sender of the item.
He told me that he had actually lost the Seven Samurai from the box set and that he had purchased another one at a local used DVD store some time ago. This would explain both being the OOP versions and why it would come in the box set.
I had tried to post pictures a week ago, but the interface for my digital camera was screwy and the program was shooting blanks.
Needless to say case solved and thanks to everyone for the info.
bboisvert
03-24-05, 02:07 PM
He told me that he had actually lost the Seven Samurai from the box set and that he had purchased another one at a local used DVD store some time ago. This would explain both being the OOP versions and why it would come in the box set.
But would not explain the lack of a barcode on the case.
William Fuld
03-24-05, 02:08 PM
That doesn't explain the metallic disc art though, does it?
ZackR
03-24-05, 02:15 PM
I have the original out of print version and can post some shots of it tonight when I get off work if you want...
Corihor1
03-24-05, 04:08 PM
But would not explain the lack of a barcode on the case.
Could be that only the Disc was lost and the Seller placed the replacement disc in the same case.
Does anyone know 100% if the original OOP Version only contains the opaque artwork on the disc, or if versions exist of the 1st Printing with Opaque artwork and Metallic artwork?
My original 1st Printing (Prior to the Box Set) has metallic artwork. Anyone else with the 1st Printing?
My gut feeling with this is that it is a weird circumstance and not a bootleg, but who knows. Boots are starting to look a lot more professional lately.
littlefuzzy
03-24-05, 08:45 PM
I have a copy of the first printing which I got at a used store, so I am not 100% sure it is legit (although I am fairly certain it is.)
My copy has a gold background on the top quarter of the disc, with Seven Samurai in a dark red. The letters appear to stand out just a bit from the background. The rest of the disc has black and "white" art on it, with the white portions being clear, showing through to the disc (that might be considered metallic.) The disc is gold, and has Seven Samurai L1 UU2022601 on the outer ring, and Seven Samurai L0 UU2022501 on the inner ring. Both rings have a barcode, and the outer ring also has something like FPI LR76 in very tiny letters.
Does anyone know if this is the legit OOP version?
DavidK
03-25-05, 02:20 AM
My copy has a gold background on the top quarter of the disc, with Seven Samurai in a dark red. The letters appear to stand out just a bit from the background. The rest of the disc has black and "white" art on it, with the white portions being clear, showing through to the disc (that might be considered metallic.) The disc is gold, and has Seven Samurai L1 UU2022601 on the outer ring, and Seven Samurai L0 UU2022501 on the inner ring. Both rings have a barcode, and the outer ring also has something like FPI LR76 in very tiny letters.
I've got copies of both the original pressing and the revised version without the restoration demo. I'm sure they're legit - I bought both of them sealed from brick&mortar stores well before anyone was trying to bootleg Criterions. On both of them, the side with the image matches the description above, although the first pressing (with restoration demo) has a much less pronounced raising of the red letters in the title. On the gold data side, the first pressing has two rings in the inner area adjacent to the data area - the outer ring (closest to the data) has no writing on it, while the inner ring has: Seven Samurai L0 UU2022501, then IFPI LB80 090204, then a very tiny bar code, all about equidistant from each other. For the more recent printing, without the restoration demo, both rings have writing on them - the outer ring has: SEVEN SAMURAI LAYER 1, then IFPI LB76 012803, then a bar code (much larger than on the first pressing). The inner ring has SEVEN SAMURAI LAYER 0, then IFPI LB76 012806, then a bar code (also larger).
Not sure if this clears anything up, but there you go.....!
Cameron
09-18-05, 03:02 AM
well i went to blockbuster...not a place I frequent...picked up their copy of seven samurai, and the box read first pressing....i had an instore credit so i took it home...don't see the restoration feature....dang
i assume it would be on the title menu.
if anyone has a screen shot of both menus, it might be good to have in this thread
FRwL
09-18-05, 04:44 AM
On the topic of Seven Samurai, what's the whole deal with some sort of re-release?? Should i hold off buying the current criterion?
headrippa
09-18-05, 09:13 AM
I heard the restoration doco is still on the criterion disc, but you can only access it via your PC as its not in the menu system
X
09-18-05, 12:47 PM
I heard the restoration doco is still on the criterion disc, but you can only access it via your PC as its not in the menu systemYou heard right!
I just tried a second printing version on a PC and found the file called "VTS_02_1.VOB" contains the restoration demo.
garmonbozia
09-18-05, 01:28 PM
I heard the restoration doco is still on the criterion disc, but you can only access it via your PC as its not in the menu system
correct, as X said, it's still there, you just can't access it through the normal means. This sort of thing is more common than you might think. For example, when a special feature is taken off a release at the last minute for whatever reason, or there are features on a special edition not on a regular release (when they are released at the same time), etc.... often they are just removed from the menu and no links to that data exist (rather than redesigning the whole disc)......but you can still find it on a dvd-rom.
Cameron
09-18-05, 01:35 PM
Looks like Seven Samurai wont be re-released anytime soon (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424932&highlight=seven+samurai+restoration)
hope that helps scarfacedude.
so anyone have screenshots of the menu
Cameron
09-20-05, 01:17 AM
so no one came though with menu shots for the 1st pressing....
sadness ensues
garmonbozia
09-20-05, 06:45 PM
so no one came though with menu shots for the 1st pressing....
are you aware that "first printing 1998" appears on the bottom of the back covers of versions that have and do not have the restoration demo?
My copy says "First Printing 1998" on the back cover bottom, and mine does NOT have the demo. So when Criterion started taking the demo off, they didn't officially change it to a "Second Printing".
I'm not sure if there is a "Second Printing" of this title... I haven't looked at the ones that they are selling in stores now.
X
09-20-05, 08:12 PM
I'm not sure if there is a "Second Printing" of this title... I haven't looked at the ones that they are selling in stores now.Yeah, people just call it the "second printing" to distinguish it from the original with the restoration demo. You have to look at the region designation, running time, or where the UPC is to tell the difference on the back cover.
EvlAsh
09-21-05, 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by headrippa
I heard the restoration doco is still on the criterion disc, but you can only access it via your PC as its not in the menu system
You heard right!
I just tried a second printing version on a PC and found the file called "VTS_02_1.VOB" contains the restoration demo.
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I tried playing the "VTS_02_1.VOB" file, but only the audio played.
X
09-21-05, 04:48 PM
It may depend on what player you're using. I believe PowerDVD didn't work with it but WinDVD did.
ernestrp
09-21-05, 06:09 PM
I tried playing the "VTS_02_1.VOB" file, but only the audio played.
I could not get it to work either (PowerDvd 5 is what I use).
EvlAsh
09-21-05, 08:51 PM
It may depend on what player you're using. I believe PowerDVD didn't work with it but WinDVD did.
I was using PowerDVD. I'll go ahead and try WinDVD. Thanks.
mdkdc
09-22-05, 09:47 AM
I took this screen shot using PowerDVD and my personal copy of the movie.
Wow ... you learn something new every day!
I had no idea that the restoration featurette was still accessable on later prints by viewing a particular file using a PC.
I just watched it.
Makes you wonder that if more people knew this they would not pay a higher price for the original pressing on sites like eBay?
Kant
09-22-05, 01:15 PM
Very cool! Just saw it and it just makes me want a new Criterion DVD, imagine if this could look as good as the new M from Criterion.
Was this restoration done for the dvd? Because I always thought that it was a direct Laserdisc port.
Cameron
09-23-05, 02:00 AM
I took this screen shot using PowerDVD and my personal copy of the movie.
Was this restoration done for the dvd? Because I always thought that it was a direct Laserdisc port.
The LD was originally released in 1989. They probably did further digital cleanup for the DVD.
DJ
compulsive dvd
09-23-05, 02:21 AM
The re-release was specifically Region 1 encoded. The original pressing that I have is not region encoded. Besides the restoration demo being the issue.
eedoon
10-04-05, 05:54 PM
It may depend on what player you're using. I believe PowerDVD didn't work with it but WinDVD did.
OK, how exactly do you do that? I was trying both PowerDVD and WinDVD to play the file but all I got is the first screen to work for a couple of second. After that the whole thing skip forward back to main menu.
X
10-04-05, 06:16 PM
I used Windows Explorer to look at the files on the DVD. I clicked once on "VTS_02_1.VOB" and then right-clicked, chose "Open With..." and chose WinDVD.
eedoon
10-05-05, 05:03 AM
Thats exactly what I did. Ah well. May be my pc's codecs screwed up for the umpteenth time somehow. :shrug:
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