Two Durango teens thought they'd surprise neighbors with nighttime deliveries of home-baked treats. But one woman was so terrified, she sued and has won.
Durango - Two teenage girls decided one summer's evening to skip a dance where there might be cursing and drinking to stay home and bake cookies for their neighbors.
Big mistake.
They were sued, successfully, for an unauthorized cookie drop on one porch.
The July 31 deliveries consisted of half a dozen chocolate-chip and sugar cookies accompanied by big hearts cut out of red or pink construction paper with the message: "Have a great night."
The notes were signed, "Love, The T and L Club," code for Taylor Ostergaard, then 17, and Lindsey Jo Zellitti, 18.
Inside one of the nine scattered rural homes south of Durango that got cookies that night, a 49-year-old woman became so terrified by the knocks on her door around 10:30 p.m. that she called the sheriff's department. Deputies determined that no crime had been committed.
But Wanita Renea Young ended up in the hospital emergency room the next day after suffering a severe anxiety attack she thought might be a heart attack.
A Durango judge Thursday awarded Young almost $900 to recoup her medical bills. She received nothing for pain and suffering.
"The victory wasn't sweet," Young said Thursday afternoon. "I'm not gloating about it. I just hope the girls learned a lesson."
Taylor's mother, Jill Ostergaard, said her daughter "cried and cried" after Judge Doug Walker handed down his decision in La Plata County Small Claims Court.
"She felt she was being punished for doing something nice," Jill Ostergaard said.
The judge said that he didn't think the girls acted maliciously but that it was pretty late at night for them to be out. He didn't award any punitive damages.
Taylor and Lindsey declined to comment Thursday, saying only that they didn't want to say anything hurtful.
Young said the girls showed "very poor judgment."
But Taylor had asked her father's permission to bake cookies for the neighbors after livestock-tending chores were done.
"I said, 'Go ahead, as long as I get some cookies,"' Richard Ostergaard said Thursday.
Just as dusk arrived a little after 9 p.m., Taylor and Lindsey began their mad spree. They didn't stop at houses that were dark. But where lights shone, the girls figured people were awake and in need of cookies. A kitchen light was on at Young's home.
Court records contain half a dozen letters from neighbors who said that they enjoyed the unexpected treats.
The cookies were good. It was a nice surprise. They weren't scared.
But Young, home with her own 18-year-old daughter and her elderly mother, said she saw shadowy figures who banged and banged at her door. When she called out, "Who's there?" no one answered. The figures ran off.
She thought perhaps they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said.
"We just wanted to surprise them," Taylor said.
Young left her home that night to stay at her sister's, but her symptoms, including shaking and an upset stomach, wouldn't subside. The next morning she went to Mercy Medical Center.
"We feel that knocking on a door and leaving cookies is a gesture of kindness and would not create an anxiety attack in the general public," Taylor's parents wrote to the court.
The girls wrote letters of apology to Young. Taylor's letter, written a few days after the episode, said in part: "I didn't realize this would cause trouble for you. ... I just wanted you to know that someone cared about you and your family."
The families had offered to pay Young's medical bills if she would agree to indemnify the families against future claims.
Young wouldn't sign the agreement. She said the families' apologies rang false and weren't delivered in person. The matter went to court.
Young said she believes that the girls should not have been running from door to door late at night.
"Something bad could have happened to them," she said.
Screw the girl scouts, I'd buy me some of their cookies to make up for this dumbass lawsuit.
matome
02-04-05, 05:03 PM
So how many millions in punitive damages did this idiot ask for?
brizz
02-04-05, 05:04 PM
Jesus H. Christ. I hope the entire neighborhood institutes a plan of terror, including, but not limited too: Mowing their lawn, shoveling their walk, washing their car, and leaving as many cookies as they can make on their doorstep. That woman is a horrible, awful person. She should die and go to hell.
nevermind
02-04-05, 05:04 PM
If I lived closer I'd leave something on her doorstep
:crap:
matome
02-04-05, 05:06 PM
:lol: He called the shit "poop"!
kenbuzz
02-04-05, 05:06 PM
Maybe it was Hitler, delivering another of his terrible jokes...
http://users.on.net/~dingus/hitler_knock.gif
nemein
02-04-05, 05:06 PM
Just goes to show no good dead goes unpunished -ohbfrank-
Mr. Salty
02-04-05, 05:07 PM
The families had offered to pay Young's medical bills if she would agree to indemnify the families against future claims.
Young wouldn't sign the agreement. She said the families' apologies rang false and weren't delivered in person. The matter went to court.
What a bitch.
Two teenage girls decided one summer's evening to skip a dance where there might be cursing and drinking to stay home and bake cookies for their neighbors.
At least this will teach these girls they should be drinking and swearing, like normal high school kids.
General Zod
02-04-05, 05:08 PM
Jesus H. Christ. I hope the entire neighborhood institutes a plan of terror, including, but not limited too: Mowing their lawn, shoveling their walk, washing their car, and leaving as many cookies as they can make on their doorstep. That woman is a horrible, awful person. She should die and go to hell.
:lol:
Obviously this was a death-penalty case but the judge whimped out.
Mad Dawg
02-04-05, 05:08 PM
What a vile human being.
Numanoid
02-04-05, 05:13 PM
Geez, Groucho. You're resorting to swiping topics from other threads? ;)
The only thing I can think of to say is WRONG. This is just WRONG. This woman gets so caught up in her own goddamn anxieties about life that they would sue two little girls for leaving fucking cookies on her doorstep. She needs a good slap in the face.
Sdallnct
02-04-05, 05:32 PM
Unbelievable...crazy, crazy stuff.
BizRodian
02-04-05, 05:34 PM
She thought perhaps they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said.
Yeah, somehow I doubt there are a lot of neighbors she gets along with.
Trigger
02-04-05, 05:36 PM
She thought perhaps they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said.
That would've been a red flag to a judge that she's a neighborhood troublemaker
Trigger
02-04-05, 05:37 PM
dammit!
jaeufraser
02-04-05, 05:40 PM
Not only does the woman suck, but so does the judge. This teaches them a good lesson? What lesson?
It's not illegal to knock on someone's door at 10:30 PM. That the woman got scared and has medical issues is not the girl's problem. The fact they even offered to pay her medical bills was extremely generous to begin with. That a judge would award this woman any money is just wrong.
brizz
02-04-05, 05:42 PM
Can someone put their people finding skills to work and get this woman's info? Wanita needs a talking too....and some hate mail. what a vile human being.
brizz
02-04-05, 05:44 PM
And lets pause a moment to consider her name: Wanita Renea - both spelled wrong mind you. I'm sure this gal's a real peach.
BizRodian
02-04-05, 05:44 PM
What if you send her some hate mail, then she gets a panic attack and sues you?
Suprmallet
02-04-05, 05:49 PM
Well, this is stupid all-around. From the woman's reaction to the judge's decision. But I'll bet she won the battle and lost the war. Just imagine how much shit she'll get from people in the neighborhood after this.
brizz
02-04-05, 05:51 PM
I feel like flying there just to egg her house.
devilshalo
02-04-05, 05:52 PM
Can someone put their people finding skills to work and get this woman's info?
Too bad jarsim's subscription ran out. :(
Kittydreamer
02-04-05, 05:54 PM
I feel like flying there just to egg her house.
I'll pay your way!!!!!
Cygnet74
02-04-05, 05:57 PM
i bet she ate the cookies, too.
Thor Simpson
02-04-05, 06:01 PM
Holy carp, what a sick story.
I think I've seen that lady before:
<img src="http://www.weirdload.com/art/wwitch.jpg">
brizz
02-04-05, 06:02 PM
What if you send her some hate mail, then she gets a panic attack and sues you?
I was thinking more like a candy gram or 10. maybe some mimes. and make sure they all arrive after 10pm.
TruGator
02-04-05, 06:06 PM
Considering the kitchen light was on, I don't think it's that far-fetched to assume she could've been awake. I can't believe a judge awarded her that money.
devilshalo
02-04-05, 06:11 PM
I was thinking more like a candy gram or 10. maybe some mimes. and make sure they all arrive after 10pm.
Better to rig a remote on the doorknocker. http://www.mreembroidery.com/aaron/smilies/devil.gif
nemein
02-04-05, 06:12 PM
Can someone put their people finding skills to work and get this woman's info?
<i>Mod note: Just a reminder, even in situations like this ;), it is still against the forum rules to post personal information about someone w/o their permission. So unless she's a member her, wants to fess up to it, and post her address please keep the responses to verbal acknowledgement what an idiot the bitch is -ptth-</i>
El-Kabong
02-04-05, 06:28 PM
Can someone put their people finding skills to work and get this woman's info? Wanita needs a talking too....and some hate mail. what a vile human being.
While I would never dream of violating forum rules for posting someone's address without permission, it took about about 30 seconds with a quick google search using "Durango" "colorado" "yellow" and "pages" to find the crazy bitch's address and phone number.
You know, it was kind of scary easy I found that. Just think, someone, somewhere could be looking at me RIGHT NOW.
/gets tinfoil hat
brizz
02-04-05, 06:34 PM
I did that, but you only get a W. Young and it's in the city proper....the article says they live in the rural area south of the town.
Boy...i'm turning into a stalker...i really hate this woman!! :)
El-Kabong
02-04-05, 06:46 PM
There's two in that area. One is to the west, in the town proper. You dont want that one. The one I found, on the other hand, was about 10 miles (give or take) south of Durango, at the end of a dead end road - so I'd lay money that is the right one.
Bronkster
02-04-05, 06:48 PM
Wow. Unbelievable. Other than comments that would get me banned, I think everyone else has already expressed how I feel about this too.
I sure wish the burglers in my town would knock before breaking in! That would make loading my gun so much easier.
brizz
02-04-05, 06:52 PM
allrighty then...i found it. W R Young. has to be her. might have to send her a postcard.
El-Kabong
02-04-05, 07:04 PM
allrighty then...i found it. W R Young. has to be her. might have to send her a postcard.
I'm thinking of kicking it old school and sending her a crayon. . . . if you get my meaning.
Intresting - I just noticed that according to mapquest, she lives on an indian reservation - just north of the New Mexico border. I wonder if that means something.
Bronkster
02-04-05, 07:11 PM
:lol: :thumbsup: to El-Kabong!!!
MasterofDVD
02-04-05, 09:18 PM
I really do hope that this lady is treated like shit from here on out. I can't believe how whacked out a person must be to get that freaked out after seeing cookies on the step AND having someone come out to check on her place. Then to sue is a whole other level of fucked up.
If the cookies were dusted with powdered sugar she might of jumped to conclusions and died on the spot.
Third Baseman
02-04-05, 09:25 PM
Maybe it was Hitler, delivering another of his terrible jokes...
http://users.on.net/~dingus/hitler_knock.gif
WTF rotfl
Bandoman
02-04-05, 09:52 PM
I, for one, applaud the old woman. If you can't make some quick cash off some naive youngsters trying to do good, then the terrorists have won. I say throw those girls in jail!
TropicalRobot
02-04-05, 10:33 PM
Wow, what an idiot.
But the more disturbing thing is that this case wasn't immediately dismissed.
More and more each day, it becomes clear that associating with other people is vastly overrated. Too many overly litigious, downright loony people out there, and a completely batty legal system all too eager to pander to them. It's really at the point where you have to think twice about helping someone who is sick or needs CPR or something because these days they;d sue you at the drop of a hat for some ridiculous reason.
kaempfer
02-04-05, 11:37 PM
Maybe something wrong with me, but I would be suspicious of cookies left on my front door. I definitely will not sue the people who leave them there, but I will also not eat them... am I too paranoid? Sure, the girls left a note, but it could be a prank and the cookies might have been spiked....
jaeufraser
02-04-05, 11:43 PM
There's a little bit of difference between being suspicious of cookies and nearly having a heart attack and suing some one in a court of law.
Even after she found out these girls were as innocent as could be, and even after they offered to cover her medical bills (which I don't think are their responsibility but it was a gracious offer) she didn't care. She's sucks. A lot.
talemyn
02-05-05, 01:00 AM
I don't get upset very easily, but this just pisses me off. :mad:
I'd also like to point out that, in addition to the woman and the judge being wrong, so was her lawyer for accepting her case to begin with.
(That last comment was really just for Bando's sake :D . . . <White Goodman>but it's true, too</White Goodman>)
Ranger
02-05-05, 01:21 AM
8 months til Halloween (Trick or treat!), folks. Have some patience, she will die.
The judge is a total jerk as well.
Puzznic
02-05-05, 02:36 AM
It doesn't surprise me. Some people are just so dumb. There was a story in my local paper a little while back about some 13 year old kid that was doing a "knock and run" on one of his neighbors doors. The guy hears the knock, grabs his gun and proceeds to shoot the kid in the back while hes running away. Killed him.
Bandoman
02-05-05, 12:18 PM
I don't get upset very easily, but this just pisses me off. :mad:
I'd also like to point out that, in addition to the woman and the judge being wrong, so was her lawyer for accepting her case to begin with.
(That last comment was really just for Bando's sake :D . . . <White Goodman>but it's true, too</White Goodman>)
:lol:
Trigger
02-05-05, 03:00 PM
It doesn't surprise me. Some people are just so dumb. There was a story in my local paper a little while back about some 13 year old kid that was doing a "knock and run" on one of his neighbors doors. The guy hears the knock, grabs his gun and proceeds to shoot the kid in the back while hes running away. Killed him.
geez - where the hell do you live?
Eddie W
02-06-05, 01:42 PM
well, it looks like the publicity is causing poor ol' Wanita Renea a good bit of grief. Reading some of the follow up articles she says that her phone has not stopped ringing & she's recieved death threats. She may even have to move.
Surprisingly, she also has a husband. Who's had a restraining order put on him by one of the girls' dads due to harassing calls to their home. I wonder where he was during this whole ordeal? Hiding under the bed perhaps?
She also tried to collect $3,000 in damages. To replace her motion sensor lights for whatever reason. Plus lost wages. Luckily the judge had a rare moment of common sense & only awarded $1.00 for those.
The girls have had enough money raised to pay the fine several times over and have been on Good Morning America and are considering going on Leno. Even Otis Spunkmeyer cookies is trying to grab some publicity out of this.
If this woman was so terrified over a knock at the door, why isn't she back in the hospital after getting death threats over the phone?
brizz
02-06-05, 01:58 PM
Good! She deserves every second of misery coming to her.
TheNightFlier
02-06-05, 02:16 PM
well, it looks like the publicity is causing poor ol' Wanita Renea a good bit of grief. Reading some of the follow up articles she says that her phone has not stopped ringing & she's recieved death threats. She may even have to move.
Surprisingly, she also has a husband. Who's had a restraining order put on him by one of the girls' dads due to harassing calls to their home. I wonder where he was during this whole ordeal? Hiding under the bed perhaps?
She also tried to collect $3,000 in damages. To replace her motion sensor lights for whatever reason. Plus lost wages. Luckily the judge had a rare moment of common sense & only awarded $1.00 for those.
The girls have had enough money raised to pay the fine several times over and have been on Good Morning America and are considering going on Leno. Even Otis Spunkmeyer cookies is trying to grab some publicity out of this.
If this woman was so terrified over a knock at the door, why isn't she back in the hospital after getting death threats over the phone?
Good to hear :thumbsup:
Now we just gotta get a pool goin for the candygram and mimes.
DavidH
02-06-05, 03:09 PM
The court decision is more insane than the crazy bitch herself. She deserves whatever she gets.
DVD Polizei
02-06-05, 03:13 PM
I think the entire neighborhood should knock on her door randomly during the night.
The Cow
02-06-05, 03:27 PM
Knock knock...
Who is it?
http://www.snn-rdr.ca/snn/old/nov98/nov98/images/snl.gif
Charlie Goose
02-06-05, 03:28 PM
Well, this woman did overreact, but don't cry for the cookie girls, they're going to be making a lot of money from this thing until people move on to the next crazy story.
On this forum, we like to laugh about frivolous lawsuits, but it's pretty scary when one actually pays off. That's why they'll never stop.
Breakfast with Girls
02-06-05, 03:53 PM
It doesn't surprise me. Some people are just so dumb. There was a story in my local paper a little while back about some 13 year old kid that was doing a "knock and run" on one of his neighbors doors. The guy hears the knock, grabs his gun and proceeds to shoot the kid in the back while hes running away. Killed him.And he's now in prison, I hope.
The Lusty Nun
02-06-05, 03:53 PM
If this woman was so terrified over a knock at the door, why isn't she back in the hospital after getting death threats over the phone?
Good one!!:)
costanza187
02-06-05, 06:37 PM
Just goes to show no good dead goes unpunished -ohbfrank-
so true :(
shoppingbear
02-06-05, 10:03 PM
She thought perhaps they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past... That would've been a red flag to a judge that she's a neighborhood troublemaker :thumbsup: That was what I noticed, also: she's clearly had problems with neighbors. If it was one neighbor (like the dickhead that lived next to me at my last apartment building, who EVERYONE had problems with), that's one thing, but if you have problems with more than one neighbor, then you're the problem. -ohbfrank-
shoppingbear
02-06-05, 10:25 PM
The girls have had enough money raised to pay the fine several times over and have been on Good Morning America and are considering going on Leno. Even Otis Spunkmeyer cookies is trying to grab some publicity out of this. Yep, see this story (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E23827%257E2695569,00.html) The one part I find somewhat :lol: is the Otis Spunkmeyer angle, from the story: "Cookies are the ultimate comfort food," spokeswoman Liz Rayo said. "We don't want anyone sued over cookies. Cookies are good. This is an emotional issue for us." :rolleyes: -ohbfrank- I'm sure they're not just trying to jump on the bandwagon...
shoppingbear
02-06-05, 10:26 PM
Oh, and from the above article, there's a little box that says: The families say the girls' court costs are covered, but people who still want to donate can designate that the money be used for the girls' college funds or for the "Never Forgotten" scholarship fund for Columbine students. The families set up this address for mail and donations: Taylor Ostergaard and Lindsey Zellitti, P.O. Box 2528, Durango, CO 81301.
Puzznic
02-06-05, 11:43 PM
geez - where the hell do you live?
The funny thing is that the knock and run killing took place in Boca Raton, in a nice neighborhood. Just another example of one of these paranoid people that have no grip on reality. The guy was charged though, not sure exactly what he got though.
pyro383
02-07-05, 10:54 AM
I would like to know who the low life, bottom of the pond sucker lawyer said, "Yes, yes I will take this one. We must punish all the good and happy people". Almost in a Mr. Burns sort of voice
QuiGonJosh
02-07-05, 11:00 AM
Maybe it was Hitler, delivering another of his terrible jokes...
http://users.on.net/~dingus/hitler_knock.gif
rotfl
:lol:
Michael Corvin
02-07-05, 12:17 PM
This is just moronic. Glad she is getting grief over it. She couldn't just talk to the girls parents and just work it out? This is the US, we have to jump at every lawsuit we can, otherwise the lawyers' kids will starve.
Let her move. This is the age of the internet. She can be found again.
Pistol Pete
02-07-05, 12:28 PM
Well, Neal Boortz (homegrown Atlanta talk radio blabbermouth) picked up the story this morning. He's trying to set up an all-expenses-paid trip to Disney World for the two girls and their families. Considering his sponsors (AirTran, Disney, etc) this is likely to happen.
latenight
02-07-05, 12:41 PM
Just goes to show no good dead goes unpunished -ohbfrank-
Amen Brother
Fok
02-07-05, 12:50 PM
I kinda see both sides of the story. But yeah now a days, if someone came knocking on my door late at night I'd have the baseball bat ready.
Breakfast with Girls
02-07-05, 01:17 PM
I kinda see both sides of the story. But yeah now a days, if someone came knocking on my door late at night I'd have the baseball bat ready."When in doubt, shoot through the door."
Brent L
02-07-05, 01:23 PM
This bitch is on DaySide (on FOX) right now.
Suprmallet
02-07-05, 01:27 PM
well, it looks like the publicity is causing poor ol' Wanita Renea a good bit of grief. Reading some of the follow up articles she says that her phone has not stopped ringing & she's recieved death threats. She may even have to move.
Surprisingly, she also has a husband. Who's had a restraining order put on him by one of the girls' dads due to harassing calls to their home. I wonder where he was during this whole ordeal? Hiding under the bed perhaps?
She also tried to collect $3,000 in damages. To replace her motion sensor lights for whatever reason. Plus lost wages. Luckily the judge had a rare moment of common sense & only awarded $1.00 for those.
The girls have had enough money raised to pay the fine several times over and have been on Good Morning America and are considering going on Leno. Even Otis Spunkmeyer cookies is trying to grab some publicity out of this.
If this woman was so terrified over a knock at the door, why isn't she back in the hospital after getting death threats over the phone?
Didn't I call this? Won the battle, lost the war.
Mopower
02-07-05, 01:29 PM
We should get her address and all send cookies to her.
PaperStreetSoapCo
02-07-05, 02:17 PM
I can't believe how much this story pissed me off. This is one time where I'm actually happy somebody is being harrassed.
Oh, and that Hitler graphic made me laugh my ass off more than once. :rotfl:
Is this town really living in 2005? I mean where in world are there girls this old who bake cookies and make cheesy notes to pass around?? Seems like something out of 1950 or that the girls would be about 10 or 12 years old.
Regardless, I agree that bitch is crazy and there's no way she should have gotten a damn penny!!
Eddie W
02-07-05, 03:37 PM
Haha...I just read that this woman is a cashier at Wal-Mart. It just gets worse & worse.......
PixyJunket
02-07-05, 03:40 PM
Is this town really living in 2005? I mean where in world are there girls this old who bake cookies and make cheesy notes to pass around?? Seems like something out of 1950 or that the girls would be about 10 or 12 years old.Sad. So just because it's 2005 these girls should be out getting drunk, fucked, and tripping on meth right?
Bandoman
02-07-05, 03:44 PM
Sad. So just because it's 2005 these girls should be out getting drunk, fucked, and tripping on meth right?
:up: Yes!
Mopower
02-07-05, 03:46 PM
To be honest I'd freak out too if I found cookies and a stupid little note in the shape of a heart on my doorstep at 10pm. "Have a great night". Are those girls retarted as well? If they were 10 years old then it might be ok but 16? That's a little freaky.
PixyJunket
02-07-05, 03:58 PM
I may be alone on this.. but I think it's pretty pathetic that we live in an age where doing a nice deed is considered "freaky."
Michael Corvin
02-07-05, 04:08 PM
We should get her address and all send cookies to her.
That is the best idea yet. Cookies By Design (http://www.cookiesbydesign.com)
Special Thanks from the DVDtalk community, for providing the best humor for the day.
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brizz
02-07-05, 04:11 PM
To be honest I'd freak out too if I found cookies and a stupid little note in the shape of a heart on my doorstep at 10pm. "Have a great night". Are those girls retarted as well? If they were 10 years old then it might be ok but 16? That's a little freaky.
that's really sad.
So in a small town, two teenage girls decide on the spur of the moment to make cookies for their neighbors, leave them a nice note with them, and only deliver them to homes with lights on - on a friday night. Sounds pretty nice to me.
Mopower
02-07-05, 04:19 PM
that's really sad.
So in a small town, two teenage girls decide on the spur of the moment to make cookies for their neighbors, leave them a nice note with them, and only deliver them to homes with lights on - on a friday night. Sounds pretty nice to me.
I live in a small town (1000 people) and have all my life and yes it would freak me out. Not to the extent that I would sue them mind you. :lol: It was a nice gesture but is it hard to let people know who they are from? Like personally giving them to people instead of all the sneaky sneaky freaky love note shit? Yes it is sad but with all the sick freaks in the world you have to be careful. Small towns aren't so innocent as you may think. Mine town has meth busts more than a couple of times a year.
tha_dvd_man
02-07-05, 04:20 PM
I have a good idea. We should all send her cookies in the mail. Did I say cookies, I meant anthrax. Piece of shit of a human being.
Brent L
02-07-05, 04:21 PM
I may be alone on this.. but I think it's pretty pathetic that we live in an age where doing a nice deed is considered "freaky."
Amen.
Michael Corvin
02-07-05, 04:25 PM
I live in a small town (1000 people) and have all my life and yes it would freak me out. Not to the extent that I would sue them mind you. :lol: It was a nice gesture but is it hard to let people know who they are from? Like personally giving them to people instead of all the sneaky sneaky freaky love note shit? Yes it is sad but with all the sick freaks in the world you have to be careful. Small towns aren't so innocent as you may think. Mine town has meth busts more than a couple of times a year.
I might be able to get behind you on small towns, but we are talking about neighbors here.
And not all teens are sexually promiscuous alcoholics. My sister had slumber parties until she was probably 16-17. Not all that odd to me.
Mopower
02-07-05, 04:34 PM
I might be able to get behind you on small towns, but we are talking about neighbors here.
And not all teens are sexually promiscuous alcoholics. My sister had slumber parties until she was probably 16-17. Not all that odd to me.
The woman that sued was on Dayside today on FOX News. She said she knew one of the girls and that they lived 10 miles away. The girls parked their car and walked across a field, through a ditch, over a fence and left the cookies on their back door step were there was no light and then banged on the door. That was her side of the story with is absent from the article. There was more but I don't remember the rest. Like I said it was a nice gesture but maybe they should have knocked on the front door and told the psycho about the cookies.
And no not all teens are bad or out to do bad things. Most of the teens I know in my town are good people and so are the people I grew up with. It's outsiders that come move in and cause all the trouble but that is for another thread.
bhk
02-07-05, 04:44 PM
Just remember, some lawyer agreed to take the plaintiff's case.
What a vile woman.
Ranger
02-07-05, 04:55 PM
I think it was a small claims court so no lawyers were involved.
Crocker Jarmen
02-07-05, 04:59 PM
Has anyone found a photo of this Wanita Renea lady? I like to see what people look like.
SmackDaddy
02-07-05, 05:13 PM
More info here (http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/05/news050205_1.htm) including some details on the restraining order on her husband.
More info here (http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/05/news050205_1.htm) including some details on the restraining order on her husband.
Did Tyne Daly go completely go off her rocker? :hscratch:
Jadzia
02-07-05, 05:20 PM
Young wouldn't sign the agreement. She said the families' apologies rang false and weren't delivered in person.
Maybe they were afraid to knock on her door to apologize. Just a thought.
brizz
02-07-05, 05:24 PM
More info here (http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/05/news050205_1.htm) including some details on the restraining order on her husband.
"Fifteen years ago, I was assaulted by one of my neighbors as I was taking my children to meet the school bus, and I wondered if somehow the incident was connected to that.
FIFTEEN YEARS AGO?!?!??!?!
"All I wanted was for those girls to admit that they used poor judgment and apologize in person. If they had done that, I wouldn't have even asked for the money. I just hope they learned a lesson."
They sure did honey....that some people are complete assholes.
talemyn
02-07-05, 05:28 PM
Three La Plata County sheriff's deputies, who arrived at Young's home shortly before 11 p.m., discovered the cookies and a note scribbled on red, heart-shaped construction paper reading: "Have a great night. Love, The T and L Club."
The initials, unbeknownst to Young, stood for Taylor and Lindsey.
"I had no idea what the note meant," Young said. "Fifteen years ago, I was assaulted by one of my neighbors as I was taking my children to meet the school bus, and I wondered if somehow the incident was connected to that. :whofart:
"All I wanted was for those girls to admit that they used poor judgment and apologize in person. If they had done that, I wouldn't have even asked for the money. I just hope they learned a lesson."Apologize for what!! Trying to be nice?!?! They offered a written apology AND money for the expenses. How is that not "learning their lesson" (which is crap in itself). :mad:
Edit: Apperantly, brizz and I were struck by the same things. :lol:
Baron Of Hell
02-07-05, 05:48 PM
"This has turned into quite a fiasco," Young said. "It's something that never should have happened and it's just devastating. My phone hasn't stopped ringing. My life has been threatened and I'll probably have to move out of town.
"All I wanted was for those girls to admit that they used poor judgment and apologize in person. If they had done that, I wouldn't have even asked for the money. I just hope they learned a lesson."
I just hope she learned a lesson. Not like they left a loft of bread with a knife in it.
Trigger
02-07-05, 06:42 PM
can't believe the girls turned down being on Tonight Show. At least that hag is gonna have to move out of town - that's hilarious. Somehing's right with the world.
Crocker Jarmen
02-07-05, 06:45 PM
:thumbsup: That only makes me respect them more, as it seems they agree this whole thing has gotten out of hand and wish for it to die down. A scamp like me would try and work this situation for all the money and attention possible.
PaperStreetSoapCo
02-07-05, 07:36 PM
I must say that I would agree with some of the other posters here that cookies being dropped off at my place at 10:30 at night might freak me out... at first. The thing that chaps my ass is Young found out it wasn't some crazed killer or rapist, and still after being given a written apology and an offer to pay the medical bill (with full knowledge of who gave her the cookies and their intention) she decides that it would be best to sue the girls in order to "teach them a lesson". There was absolutely no cause for that. It said in the article that she was advised to not sign the agreement, although it doesn't say by who (coughhusbandcough) yet there isn't any note that she regrets going too far. And the woman works at the freakin FOOD BANK?! Apparantly charity has a curfew.
mosquitobite
02-07-05, 08:34 PM
I must say that I would agree with some of the other posters here that cookies being dropped off at my place at 10:30 at night might freak me out... at first. The thing that chaps my ass is Young found out it wasn't some crazed killer or rapist, and still after being given a written apology and an offer to pay the medical bill (with full knowledge of who gave her the cookies and their intention) she decides that it would be best to sue the girls in order to "teach them a lesson". There was absolutely no cause for that. It said in the article that she was advised to not sign the agreement, although it doesn't say by who (coughhusbandcough) yet there isn't any note that she regrets going too far. And the woman works at the freakin FOOD BANK?! Apparantly charity has a curfew.
:up: I agree.
I also think the girls should have taken into consideration we live in 2005. At Halloween I made Rice Crispie Treats as treats to go along with the candy. I attached labels with my name, address, phone # and Happy Halloween Neighbor! on them. I didn't want parents to freak out thinking they had been spiked. The girls shouldn't have been delivering them like that at 10:30 at night, and they should have been personally delivered imho, not run off.
BUT the woman had absolutely NO reason to sue. She was just a bitch!
mndtrp
02-08-05, 09:33 AM
I agree with most people on the woman shouldn't have sued after being offered an apology and payment. Durango, on the whole, has pretty cool people there.
My question is: Will this affect the girls in the future, as far as criminal records and the like?
Groucho
02-08-05, 09:41 AM
My question is: Will this affect the girls in the future, as far as criminal records and the like?It was a civil lawsuit in small claims court, so no.
Gil Jawetz
02-18-05, 04:24 PM
Did you folks see the follow up to this?
Full story: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E2715867,00.html
Herb Young turned the telephone off again Tuesday after it rang at 12:40 a.m.
One recent caller had told him that "you should be found dead in a ditch."
Nine out of 10 calls to his house are from "crackpots," he said, ever since a plate of cookies and a case in La Plata County Small Claims Court turned life upside down.
PixyJunket
02-18-05, 04:39 PM
The couple have endured a barrage of ridicule and crank calls, with one caller telling them, “You are what’s wrong with society.”You got that right! :lol:
PixyJunket
02-18-05, 04:45 PM
She is so devastated, she said, that she hasn't been back to her part-time job as a Wal-Mart cashier.
"Our home is like a funeral parlor," Renea Young said. "They've robbed us of our laughter. My spirit, my soul, is damaged."BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Sdallnct
02-18-05, 04:49 PM
She is so devastated, she said, that she hasn't been back to her part-time job as a Wal-Mart cashier.
"Our home is like a funeral parlor," Renea Young said. "They've robbed us of our laughter. My spirit, my soul, is damaged."
Sounds like she is ready to sue again!
You know, if all she did was apologize and say "I should have handled this differently" 99% of the people would stop calling. But she probably has no clue that she brought this all on herself.
gimmepilotwings
02-18-05, 05:25 PM
If this woman was so terrified over a knock at the door, why isn't she back in the hospital after getting death threats over the phone?
Oncemore, if she was so afraid, why in the hell would she answer the door?
Crazy, stupid bitch.
Jackskeleton
02-18-05, 05:25 PM
You know, when even the NAZI'S are against you, you did something pretty fucked up
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=15037
Well... that's two more white women who got a first hand taste of how totally fucked up our JEWdicial systems are. They look like a pair of standup chicks... well dressed, no ridiculous amounts of makeup and not bad looking at all
:lol:
And this bitch just keeps digging her own grave
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4207927/detail.html
"I cannot believe that the American people have made superstars out of these girls," Young told the Durango Herald last week. "What a terrible lesson they have learned -- that they can take half-truths and, with the assistance of the media, generate such an unwarranted outpouring of sympathy and financial support. They ought to be ashamed of themselves."
Then she has a prize of a husband
"But they could have prevented it from happening if they had just shut their mouths when they came out of court." -herb young
Funny...
The original Post story was based almost entirely on court records. The girls had declined to comment immediately following the case.
Renea Young spoke to The Post soon after the hearing, saying that she hoped the girls had learned a lesson.
It looks like they were the first to open their damn mouth and start yapping.
I still don't get how this shit could even be remotely considered a "PRANK" by this crazy bitch. I mean hell. It's cookies. If the cookies were made out of dog shit and mud then perhaps it would be a prank. But it was a gift.
I'm pretty sure Wal Mart wants nothing to do with this chick and would like to stay out of this. Though considering her back history of having 9 lawsuits since 91 I'm sure she is just going to slack off now at work and try to get fired so she can just toss a lawsuit at wal mart.
This scares me the most
Letter from the girls mother
Feb 5, 2005
Dear Folks:
In regard to the outpouring of sympathy and support for my daughter Taylor and Lindsey. I want the express to you a heart felt thanks and sincere appreciation that you, and so much of America and Canada, have shown them. This alone more than makes up for the stress and worry they have experienced the past six months as well as the big disappointment of the trail ruling.
For any letters or anything else that you wish them to receive we have set up a post office box. for them. It. is:
Taylor Ostergaard
Lindsey Zellitti
P.O. BOX 2528
Durango, CO 81302
We're not out of the woods yet as we understand there may be another case building against our families on this.
Be sure and include your address and e-mail address as they hope to return a Thank you and I would like to send a short Bio,/History of each of these girls so that you again might understand how great they are. We so appreciate the extended gesture of friendship to each of you and truly hope that this finds you health. May your smiles be many and come easily. If you're ever in Durango, give us a holler.
Sincerely Yours
Richard F. and Jill Ostergaard
Let me guess, the stupid bitch is going to toss another law suit against the two girls for all this harrassment that the event has caused. If anything, I call it justice.
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