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dave-o
02-03-05, 10:54 PM
Okay, so another missing piece to my home theater setup (along with the DVD player I am still searching for) is a subwoofer. I have pretty much given up the hope of getting a decent upconverting DVD player from Best Buy or Sears (the two stores I have gift cards for) at this time, so I may just go with one from another store or settle for a regular one.

So now I have decided that maybe I should put my Best Buy gift cards towards a subwoofer. The only problem is that I am completely and utterly clueless about these things. I have never owned one due to my previuos apartment lifestyle, but now that I have a house...well it is about time.

I have been looking at these things and I am kind of surprised at how pricey they can be. My range is probably going to be 150 as the maximum.

There is one sub at Best Buy that is priced at 150. It is the Yamaha 8" 120-Watt Powered Subwoofer, Model: YST-SW215.

Does anyone have any idea about this one? Does it matter what type of other components are in my setup? I have a 3 year old Yamaha HTR-5540 receiver, if that helps.

What types of things should I be looking for? Does it really make a huge difference if I get a lower cost one? (especially considering I am used to living without one completely). Any tips, suggestions, or ideas would be much appreciated.




Let me also add a big thank you to the people of this forum, your responses to my threads and the threads of others have been invaluable to me and the learning process I am going through. I am picking up my copy of AVIA tommorrow and I plan to spend a big chunk of the day calibrating my RPTV.

tacomantt
02-04-05, 05:10 AM
The first thing to learn is you get what you pay for, especially with subs.

Chances are that the models you are looking for will sound muddy and what not. More importantly they might "clip" meaning that they can't deliver the punch.

If you can I would highly recommend an SVS subwoofer. I believe the cheapest they sell costs $450 or something, but well worth it. HSU are supoosedly good too, but I havent tried them. Stay away from JBL and Harmon I think they suck all the way around from all perspectives: manufacturing quality, sound quality, and customer treatment.

The amount of power and size of the woofer does make a difference. 10" - 12" for most HT applications is fine with power of ~350-500W RMS (NOT peak).

I am making this reply as SIMPLE and straight forward, there are many issues to discuss but in NON-scientific-engineering terms: woofer size, cost and power often lead to better sounding bass.

Hopefully you can reconsider the $150 ceiling.

Chew
02-04-05, 08:54 AM
I spent about $450 on my HSU sub and it's just about the best part of my sound system.

If you're only spending $150, I'm not sure if it's really going to make that big a difference. All of them will have some problems in that price-range.

tommy28
02-04-05, 01:55 PM
for 150.00 don`t bother.....

save,save,save.

Brian Shannon
02-04-05, 08:27 PM
What types of things should I be looking for? Does it really make a huge difference if I get a lower cost one? (especially considering I am used to living without one completely). Any tips, suggestions, or ideas would be much appreciated.

With subs it is all about power and driver size. Unlike most speakers you can easily tell the bad subs from the good.

I will also second SVS and recommend you save for one.


http://www.svsubwoofers.com/animation.htm


http://www.svsubwoofers.com/default.htm

Thrush
02-04-05, 10:49 PM
This Dayton Sub (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&PartNumber=300-632&DID=7) from partsexpress is probably the best budget sub you can get. I haven't heard one personally but those who have over on the AVS and HT forums seem to be impressed by it.

You get what you pay for though. Once you've heard what a real sub can do (Sunfire, Rel, Earthquake) you will never want to go back.

shawagg
02-04-05, 11:31 PM
I have the same problem so maybe someone can help me out as well.

I got an Onkyo 502 and that $150 Celestron package that folks were getting here.

Thanks

dave-o
02-05-05, 12:25 AM
Thanks for the advice guys. I figured that at my price range I was going to be pretty limited. I went to Best Buy today to check out the Yamaha 8" and a Sony 10". All I can say is patience is a virtue and good things will come to those who wait. Yep, I have decided to just save some more money and I guess I will just use the gift cards on something else.

Don't get me wrong, they didn't sound awful and probably would be serviceable, but I know I would be dissappointed and eventually upgrade it anyways. I guess I was just in a hurry to get one because I am currently sans subwoofer and it is noticeable. However, I figured, why waste my money if it is not going to do the job. Listening to the higher priced Klipsch and JBL subs really helped make my mind up, what a big difference.

So I plan on waiting until I get into the 350-400 dollar range, it seems like that is the cheapest the higher quality subs come. Man have I ever been bit by the upgrade bug. I got a 55 inch Mits in October, then I realized I needed a new (progressive scan) DVD player(which I am still deciding on), now a subwoofer, whats next? Ahhh...the long downward spiral has begun, it is too late for me now, save yourself while you can!! -ptth-

chess
02-05-05, 01:04 AM
Do they still make this thing and/or carry it at best buy?

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67593

I was infamous for pimping this thing out in 2001, and it might just be the answer to your question if Best Buy still carries it. Still using mine after 4+ years without incident. Stuffing it with polyfill turned out to be a good move.

There is also some great pet management advice in the thread above.

dave-o
02-05-05, 02:30 AM
Do they still make this thing and/or carry it at best buy?

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67593

I was infamous for pimping this thing out in 2001, and it might just be the answer to your question if Best Buy still carries it. Still using mine after 4+ years without incident. Stuffing it with polyfill turned out to be a good move.

There is also some great pet management advice in the thread above.


Interesting. the one at BB now is the Sony 12" 150-Watt Powered Subwoofer: Model: SAWM500. I am guessing it is the newer version of the one you have?

calhokie
02-05-05, 11:40 AM
I agree with the posters above who recommend saving for a HSU or SVS. It may seem scary to buy a sub sight-unseen (unheard) from an internet company but they both make excellent products. And I mean excellent as in "damn, so this is how movies were supposed to be watched". I replaced a 12" Infinity sub with a SVS and was blown away with the improvement. Frequency response down to 20 Hz instead of 32 Hz. And just an overall tightness to the sound that my old sub didn't give me.

For a while, CompUSA was carrying one of the more economical HSU subs. I think it was in the $350 range.

chess
02-07-05, 09:51 AM
I agree with the posters above who recommend saving for a HSU or SVS. It may seem scary to buy a sub sight-unseen (unheard) from an internet company but they both make excellent products. And I mean excellent as in "damn, so this is how movies were supposed to be watched". I replaced a 12" Infinity sub with a SVS and was blown away with the improvement. Frequency response down to 20 Hz instead of 32 Hz. And just an overall tightness to the sound that my old sub didn't give me.

For a while, CompUSA was carrying one of the more economical HSU subs. I think it was in the $350 range.

The SVS is a great sub and well worth the $$$. I've recommended them to several of my doctor friends. I can't speak to the quality of HSU subs, but have heard great things...and they are certainly priced reasonably. However, neither sub is cheap or available in a retail setting. I would also argue that the law of diminishing returns takes effect below the price range of HSU and SVS.

Further, all this talk about frequency response is sloppy at best. The human ear at it's optimum can hear frequencies down to 20 Hz. "Optimum" means that 1) the ear is unabused from loud music, movies, concerts...and probably very young, and 2) that the 20 Hz is solo, as in not muddled in with other higher frequencies. I've used my audiometer on a couple of subs (My Sony, SVS, Energy, and Paradigm) and most have registered "something" down to 20 Hz with a test disc...but I couldn't HEAR a damn thing. FWIW, I did all of these tests with doctors, including an ENT surgeon, and they know a bit about human physiology. For movie watching purposes, our semi-scientific guess for the low range of human hearing was somewhere in the 35-40 Hz range...at best.

The best sub in the world is only as good as your ears.

medavidson
02-07-05, 11:48 AM
You can also build a sub yourself, fairly easily. There's a ton on info on DIY subs here and there. I did it, using a Hsu driver, an amp I got from Parts Express, a piece of sonotube, and various other parts. It was a fun project and I was surprised with the results. I didn't use it, in the log run, because of the WEF was sort of low. Anyway, if you're on a budget, its something to consider.

B.A.
02-07-05, 12:51 PM
I will also second SVS and recommend you save for one.I ordered a PB10-ISD for my dad and it is supposed to arrive tomorrow. :D

shelland
02-07-05, 06:57 PM
I don't think they're quite SVS or HSU quality, but I always heard good things about Velodyne as well. In the past couple months I saw a Velodyne sub (not sure of the model number) at Costco in the $150-$200 price range. Might be an option to get you by for now if you really want to add a sub (if they still carry it)...

Frank S
02-07-05, 10:13 PM
Stay away from JBL and Harmon I think they suck all the way around from all perspectives: manufacturing quality, sound quality, and customer treatment.
Be careful making blanket statements about JBL/HK subs as it shows your total lack of knowledge of JBL and HK (not to mention speakers in general)! To say JBL Pro subs suck is one of the most reduculous statements I have seen here in years! JBL Pro is THE speaker of choice for the pros in studios and on stage (not to mention higher end HT's). Maybe there is a line of consumer JBL subs you think suck but to say they all suck is insane. The PSW consumer line of subs from a few years back were very nice subs for their costs and the JBL Pro subs will make you orgasm if you feed it a quality signal.

chess
02-07-05, 10:59 PM
Whoah, I think I just had a reduculous orgasim!

Thrush
02-08-05, 12:56 AM
Further, all this talk about frequency response is sloppy at best. The human ear at it's optimum can hear frequencies down to 20 Hz. "Optimum" means that 1) the ear is unabused from loud music, movies, concerts...and probably very young, and 2) that the 20 Hz is solo, as in not muddled in with other higher frequencies. I've used my audiometer on a couple of subs (My Sony, SVS, Energy, and Paradigm) and most have registered "something" down to 20 Hz with a test disc...but I couldn't HEAR a damn thing. FWIW, I did all of these tests with doctors, including an ENT surgeon, and they know a bit about human physiology. For movie watching purposes, our semi-scientific guess for the low range of human hearing was somewhere in the 35-40 Hz range...at best.

The best sub in the world is only as good as your ears.

The human ear can hear down to at least 20hz (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml) . There is a reason that audiophiles so covet the super low frequencies in their HT subs. Its not so much what you hear, but what you feel. There is nothing like the sensation of a high end sub played at reference levels in 10-20mhz range.

chess
02-08-05, 09:03 AM
The human ear can hear down to at least 20hz (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml) . There is a reason that audiophiles so covet the super low frequencies in their HT subs. Its not so much what you hear, but what you feel. There is nothing like the sensation of a high end sub played at reference levels in 10-20mhz range.

...the product of a simple yahoo/google search, no doubt. Read a few abstracts of recent peer reviewed medical journals on www.pubmed.com and you'll find that abuse (10 Hz at reference, for instance) and simple aging have a huge effect on our range of hearing. I also repeat that when said low frequencies are mixed in with high and midrange frequencies, we lose our ability to hear the tones at the fringe of our hearing range. For this reason, very very few movies are mixed with levels lower than 35 Hz or so...even at reference.

I know why people covet ultra low frequencies in their HTs, and it has more to do with bragging rights than it does with actual (as opposed to perceived) auditory differences.

As for feel, I'm with you brother. Clean tight ultra-low bass is great. But for the non audiophile, who doesn't play test discs or own an SPL meter and who simply wants to enjoy movies, the ABILITY of a sub to get that low serves no real purpose.

When I watch movies, usually with my girlfriend (which "audiophiles" rarely have to worry about ;) ), I usually get to about 20db below reference before she starts cringing, and at those levels, no movie has come anywhere near phasing my Sony in the living room or my Energy in the bedroom...not SPR DTS, not U-571, not Clone Wars, not Jurassic Park...nothing I can think of. And they both rattle the plates in the kitchen cupboard and deliver very good thump that you can feel in your chest.

I always thought I'd buy an SVS or build a sonotube sub like it, but now that I've heard a few, I can't justify the price difference for normal use by normal people.

YMMV.

chess
02-08-05, 09:08 AM
Just a follow up:

The point I'm trying to make is that if a person has to choose between getting a sub that they can afford now or waiting for an audiophile grade one, that I recommend they go ahead and get one now.

If we agree on nothing else, I bet we can agree that a sub changes the movie watching experience substantially.

Brian Shannon
02-08-05, 04:21 PM
I don't think they're quite SVS or HSU quality, but I always heard good things about Velodyne as well. In the past couple months I saw a Velodyne sub (not sure of the model number) at Costco in the $150-$200 price range. Might be an option to get you by for now if you really want to add a sub (if they still carry it)...

IMHO these Velodyne subs are not audiophile quality. Velodyne makes two lines of subs.

Thrush
02-09-05, 01:17 AM
...the product of a simple yahoo/google search, no doubt. Read a few abstracts of recent peer reviewed medical journals on www.pubmed.com and you'll find that abuse (10 Hz at reference, for instance) and simple aging have a huge effect on our range of hearing. I also repeat that when said low frequencies are mixed in with high and midrange frequencies, we lose our ability to hear the tones at the fringe of our hearing range. For this reason, very very few movies are mixed with levels lower than 35 Hz or so...even at reference.

I know why people covet ultra low frequencies in their HTs, and it has more to do with bragging rights than it does with actual (as opposed to perceived) auditory differences.

As for feel, I'm with you brother. Clean tight ultra-low bass is great. But for the non audiophile, who doesn't play test discs or own an SPL meter and who simply wants to enjoy movies, the ABILITY of a sub to get that low serves no real purpose.

When I watch movies, usually with my girlfriend (which "audiophiles" rarely have to worry about ;) ), I usually get to about 20db below reference before she starts cringing, and at those levels, no movie has come anywhere near phasing my Sony in the living room or my Energy in the bedroom...not SPR DTS, not U-571, not Clone Wars, not Jurassic Park...nothing I can think of. And they both rattle the plates in the kitchen cupboard and deliver very good thump that you can feel in your chest.

I always thought I'd buy an SVS or build a sonotube sub like it, but now that I've heard a few, I can't justify the price difference for normal use by normal people.

YMMV.


So you're using people with hearing loss/damage to draw conclusions of the range of human hearing ?

As for movies not having much info below 35mhz. It depends on what kind of movie your watching. If you're talking about a Merchant Ivory production, then you're probably right. But thats not the case with most action movies, especially those produced in the last few years.

Even non-audiophiles can tell the difference between a sub that rolls off at 35-40mhz and one with a flat freq response down to 15mhz. Is a $2000+ sub practical for Joe six pack? Of course not. Most are happy with a Bose system and Pan&Scan DVDs http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/045.gif . But some people may want more than that.

BigDave
02-09-05, 06:34 AM
You can always try an infinite baffle (http://f20.parsimony.net/forum36475/) sub. I've been reading about these and am quite interested in building one. Anyone know someone that has built one?

chess
02-09-05, 06:58 AM
So you're using people with hearing loss/damage to draw conclusions of the range of human hearing ?

As for movies not having much info below 35mhz. It depends on what kind of movie your watching. If you're talking about a Merchant Ivory production, then you're probably right. But thats not the case with most action movies, especially those produced in the last few years.

Even non-audiophiles can tell the difference between a sub that rolls off at 35-40mhz and one with a flat freq response down to 15mhz. Is a $2000+ sub practical for Joe six pack? Of course not. Most are happy with a Bose system and Pan&Scan DVDs http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/045.gif . But some people may want more than that.

Ahhh...The infamous Joe six pack. I don't think Joe has a sub in his system at all.

I don't know if you're a car guy, but I'll use sports cars as an example. Some folks appreciate value and buy an S2000 or an MSM Turbo, both very well balanced and refined sports cars. Other folks think that a Porsche is worth twice as much as an S2000, but it clearly offers only slightly superior performance. Joe six pack is irrelevant, because he buys a Camaro or something. Similarly, I think that spending $500 on a sub when you can get one that meets your needs 99.5% of the time for half the price makes very little sense.

I know a bit about movies with a lot of LFE, as I think I have most of them (aven the crappy Michael Bay stuff). :D

By the way, everybody has hearing loss/damage...especially those who watch movies at reference level in their living rooms. ;)

hanyuning
02-09-05, 11:36 AM
I'll put my reccomendation in for SVS as well. I love their sub. Love how big it is and love explaining what it is when people ask what that huge circular thing in the corner is ;-)

OH! and I love turning on Finding Nemo to show them how I can bounce plates around in the cupboards ;-)

cpgator
02-09-05, 12:49 PM
Ahhh...The infamous Joe six pack. I don't think Joe has a sub in his system at all.

I don't know if you're a car guy, but I'll use sports cars as an example. Some folks appreciate value and buy an S2000 or an MSM Turbo, both very well balanced and refined sports cars. Other folks think that a Porsche is worth twice as much as an S2000, but it clearly offers only slightly superior performance. Joe six pack is irrelevant, because he buys a Camaro or something. Similarly, I think that spending $500 on a sub when you can get one that meets your needs 99.5% of the time for half the price makes very little sense.

I know a bit about movies with a lot of LFE, as I think I have most of them (aven the crappy Michael Bay stuff). :D

By the way, everybody has hearing loss/damage...especially those who watch movies at reference level in their living rooms. ;) Guess it depends on what you needs are. I have heard your sub, and even recommended it to a friend. It sounded great for the $$ he paid, but that is really all I can say about it. If you don't have much money, it would fit the bill. However, if you can afford a better sub there is NO reason you should stay with the sony. I personally could never fully appreciate a movie/music if that was the sub I was using. I do agree with your basic argument regarding hearing, but the sub also should be felt. It should also sound smooth and accurate. A cheap sony does not do this, at least not to the degree of a higher quality sub. I am not sure what other equipment you are using, but to be it makes no sense to use such an inferior sub if you can afford better.

And to the poster who questioned the quality of Velodyne - you are wrong. I used to own a velodyne and thought it was a fine sub - no problems at all. Velodyne makes great subs - some of which would kick the crap out of a SVS - in my opinion....

My advise to the OP - spend what you can afford, however if you try to skimp, you will probably regret it later.

Thrush
02-10-05, 12:57 AM
Ahhh...The infamous Joe six pack. I don't think Joe has a sub in his system at all.

I don't know if you're a car guy, but I'll use sports cars as an example. Some folks appreciate value and buy an S2000 or an MSM Turbo, both very well balanced and refined sports cars. Other folks think that a Porsche is worth twice as much as an S2000, but it clearly offers only slightly superior performance. Joe six pack is irrelevant, because he buys a Camaro or something. Similarly, I think that spending $500 on a sub when you can get one that meets your needs 99.5% of the time for half the price makes very little sense.

I know a bit about movies with a lot of LFE, as I think I have most of them (aven the crappy Michael Bay stuff). :D

By the way, everybody has hearing loss/damage...especially those who watch movies at reference level in their living rooms. ;)

I guess I'm out of touch, because I consider the $500 subs to be "budget" models http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/093.gif .

I agree that enthusiasts in all areas have a tendency to go overboard. I'm guilty of it myself. But as the old saying goes "You get what you pay for".

As for that car analogy, you left out the all important poontang factor in your equation. The guy with Porsche is going to get waaay more action than the fellow in the Honda.

Reference level in a decent sized dedicated HT room, thats been properly calibrated isn't that hard on the ears. At least I hope it isn't.

cseyer
02-10-05, 11:59 AM
The parts express tiny mighty is a decent sub and gets below 35 hz I have one and an HSU designed BIC sub. I'm sure that SVS makes great subs but for those on a budget the PE sub is gangbusters for the money. For the $100 or so dollars you can always give it away when you upgrade later although I dont see myself ever giving mine away it will serve well for a computer sub or in the bedroom later.

Brian Shannon
02-10-05, 02:45 PM
I guess I'm out of touch, because I consider the $500 subs to be "budget" models

Nothing wrong with spending money if you have it or simply want to.

I didn't pay $500 for my SVS pc20-39 including the cable and the shipping. Even though I have it on a specially built platform that is isolated from the room walls and filled with 120 pounds of sand, I can still feel the vibrations on the third floor of my house.

cpgator
02-10-05, 03:53 PM
Nothing wrong with spending money if you have it or simply want to.

I didn't pay $500 for my SVS pc20-39 including the cable and the shipping. Even though I have it on a specially built platform that is isolated from the room walls and filled with 120 pounds of sand, I can still feel the vibrations on the third floor of my house. I take it you like your sub? Did you get it used? I see it listed for $600 new. What did you use prior to getting this one?

A friend is looking for a new sub and I told him to check out the SVS line. The one you have is basically the one he is looking at - but he can't decide between the regular or +. I believe the only difference is the + amp has more power. I have never heard an SVS, but all the reviews seem to be good, esp at that price range.

He currently has a Vel CT-120, but he wants something with more impact.

Brian Shannon
02-10-05, 04:28 PM
I take it you like your sub? Did you get it used? I see it listed for $600 new. What did you use prior to getting this one?

A friend is looking for a new sub and I told him to check out the SVS line. The one you have is basically the one he is looking at - but he can't decide between the regular or +. I believe the only difference is the + amp has more power. I have never heard an SVS, but all the reviews seem to be good, esp at that price range.

He currently has a Vel CT-120, but he wants something with more impact.

This was a new sub for my new theater. I got it from the "B" stock page at SVS which is basically a sub that has a cosmetic defect or other non performance issue.

I love this sub and it is the biggest value in my entire theater. I wish everything I had was a similar cost to performance ratio. I highly recommend this sub. I bought it based on the web feedback and I have never regretted it.

cpgator
02-10-05, 04:32 PM
This was a new sub for my new theater. I got it from the "B" stock page at SVS which is basically a sub that has a cosmetic defect or other non performance issue.

I love this sub and it is the biggest value in my entire theater. I wish everything I had was a similar cost to performance ratio. I highly recommend this sub. I bought it based on the web feedback and I have never regretted it.Thanks for the reply. Do you think the bigger amp in the + series would make that much of a difference?

Nice set up btw.

Brian Shannon
02-10-05, 04:37 PM
Thanks for the reply. Do you think the bigger amp in the + series would make that much of a difference?

Nice set up btw.

Thanks!

I am happy with the amp in mine (320w). Alot would depend on your room size. My room is 19x15. It already shakes things I thought were tight, I can't imagine needing or even wanting more power.

cpgator
02-10-05, 04:40 PM
Thanks!

I am happy with the amp in mine (320w). Alot would depend on your room size. My room is 19x15. It already shakes things I thought were tight, I can't imagine needing or even wanting more power. That is kinda what I though. My sub has a 400w amp, and I usually keep it at only 20-25% volume. His room is about the same size at yours, but it is not closed in like yours.

SubZeri
02-17-05, 07:02 PM
To say JBL Pro subs suck is one of the most reduculous statements I have seen here in years! JBL Pro is THE speaker of choice for the pros in studios and on stage

No Kidding! I can't speak for home theater, but I have a full JBL M-Pro PA system in my house with a Crown-powered MP-418SP.
http://www.jblpro.com/mpro/series_400.htm
Freaking unbelievable is the only way to put it. 660 watts RMS of effortless power, and that's only one of the two channels. If the person who downed JBL Pro wants to come over, I'd be glad to hold a clinic for them. I have 2 friends who have spent many thousands of dollars on their "high end" HT's. One has multiple subs on his system, and still can't compete with the MPro.
Jon

hoyalawya
02-17-05, 08:40 PM
No Kidding! I can't speak for home theater, but I have a full JBL M-Pro PA system in my house with a Crown-powered MP-418SP.
http://www.jblpro.com/mpro/series_400.htm
Freaking unbelievable is the only way to put it. 660 watts RMS of effortless power, and that's only one of the two channels. If the person who downed JBL Pro wants to come over, I'd be glad to hold a clinic for them. I have 2 friends who have spent many thousands of dollars on their "high end" HT's. One has multiple subs on his system, and still can't compete with the MPro.
Jon

From the specs on the link provided, the frequency response of the subs listed cannot go down below 36 htz. They may be excellent for music (as you have stated) but many movie DVDs now have scenes that go below 20 htz. For that kind of money, I would spend it on a SVS PC+ or a HSU for a home theater application.

Frank S
02-17-05, 09:24 PM
From the specs on the link provided, the frequency response of the subs listed cannot go down below 36 htz. They may be excellent for music (as you have stated) but many movie DVDs now have scenes that go below 20 htz. For that kind of money, I would spend it on a SVS PC+ or a HSU for a home theater application.You need to look at JBL's like THIS (http://jblpro.com/cinema/subwoofers.htm) to get a better idea of JBL PRO stuff. And this is not the custom Pro stuff on the high end either.

Shroud
02-18-05, 01:27 AM
Another vote goes for the SVS subs. I am the proud owner of a 16-46 PC+ and a PC Ultra that I run together as dual cylinders in my dedicated home theater room 12'x11' converted spare bedroom. I love all of the extra headroom that these subs provide while working together and they have eliminated the need for bass shakers as my whole house shakes when LFE is present.
I am a bass nut and probably represent .5% of the Home Theater owners out there, but when I watch a movie, I love to feel like I am in the movie.
Even the entry level SVS or HSU will be a bigger value dollar for dollar then other subs at that price range. Something else with SVS or HSU, I have never seen anyone who has successfully calibrated and setup their subs complain about them or be dissatisfied.

Teehtf
02-19-05, 09:09 PM
Put a vote in for an SVS from me too. I doubt you will be dissapointed and you get 45 days to live with it vs 30 days.