Why I don't think partypoker's cards are dealt randomly.

[wabio]

I play most of my online games there, and I must admit.....I seriously don't think the cards are dealt in a truly random sequence. I also play live play where I live and the way the cards fall is a lot different than what I experience online....and I'm not talking about 1 or 2 tourneys. I'm talking about dozens.

I would really like to see the random program generator they use to see if it is faulty. Too many times I've seen pairs flop on multiple successive deals, and too many times I've seen my nutt cards come in groupings. Just as an example: I'll get nothing but cards 2-8 for ten hands....then I'll get nothing but 10-A for the next four.





Here's how I personally categorize the card's worthiness on the "nutts":

4 different suits:
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A-10 = High/Good
6-9 = Med./Mediocre
2-5 = Low/Bad

That means there are 5 high cards, 4 medium, and 4 lows, giving....

a 38.46% chance of getting a high card
a 30.77% chance of getting a med. card
a 30.77% chance of getting a low card

I swear it doesn't play that way though. I guess I should write it down and start tracking it long term. :hscratch:

[namja]

Well, not as bad as PokerStars. They'll flop certain cards just to force action.

[Luddy]

PS is ok most of the time, except for the river. ;) I've noticed it switches to high cards or 2 high pocket pairs after playing in SNGs for a while. Maybe coincidence, but probably juiced.

[Gallant Pig]

PokerStars seems like evertime you hit a set, a straight and a flush show up along the way to the river.

[Wizdar]

Oi. Here we go again. -ohbfrank-

[Gallant Pig]

:D :lol:

[Groucho]

The plural of anecdotes is not "data."

[alarican]

I agree with you....something seems fishy with the kind of cards that comes up.
It seems someone can get a straight or a flush pretty often. And some one not getting a pair and the high card holding up through the hand seems to not happen!

Another thing that pisses me off is.....

I'm a pretty decent player...but on line I can't seem to get past second place. I've won only one two tournaments. But live tournaments and at the casino, I do a much better job. Maybe it is not seeing the players….or I think it has something to do with those odds that my subconscious has learned to calculate and that damn card generator not figuring correctly.

Also- I play on line only for a month and started consistently getting second place. But then I went back to home games and was getting beat. I stopped playing on line for a while and now I’m winning live games now. It is like I started playing differently because my subconscious was learning that damn card generators habits.

I’ve not played on-line at partypoker for 2 months now.

[Wizdar]

I’m sure that means something. What it is, though, is another question.

There’s another guy around here who is a very solid player. Lately he’s been going through tough times. Perhaps, rather than questioning his playing abilities (or, more likely, a run of bad breaks), he should examine how the software has personally targeted him for defeat? -eek-

I also do better at the casino. But it's not because of holes in my online game, it's because the dealers know I'll overtip them when I win a big pot. Every time I get A10 I know I can rely on them to give me supporting cards. ;)

[moorehed]

You guys can't be serious? :rotfl:

[mgbfan]

Look, this is kind of a tired old arguement. Some people swear it's not legit. But there's never proof.

Remember, you play SO MANY more hands online in the same amount of time that you play either in a real card room or in a home game. You're going to see a lot more crazy stuff. Also, bear in mind that shuffling at home games and at brick & morter card rooms IS NOT RANDOM. When a human being shuffles the deck, it's not random. It's intended to simulate randomness, but it's not. If there is indeed a difference, it's likely this is the root. One shuffle is random (online), the other is merely quasi-random (human or mechanical shuffle).

[breaux124]

The first time I played in a casino, I was there for about five hours and I personally flopped four of a kind twice, hit a straight flush, and had a number of full houses. At the table I saw four of a kind one more time and a royal flush. So you can imagine I believed that these hands came up pretty often.
Since then I've played around 10 more times in a casino and I've seen four of a kind twice and a straight flush once. Sometimes it just seems to happen in spurts.

[El Scorcho]

You want not random, check this out.

Last night playing limit omaha, I nailed my gutshot straight draw on the turn three hands in a row. The odds of hitting one gutshot draw is about 9%. Hitting it in three successive tries at it is .07%. Not to mention that on my 3rd gutshot, I had to avoid the 7 of diamonds, so it's actually slightly lower than .07%.

[Wizdar]

I sat at a table where one guy got a str8 flush AND a royal within an hour. Somebody wanna give me the odds against that?

Of course, the dealer is known for dealing seconds. ;)

[mgbfan]

As seasoned vets know, the odds of X happening are 1:1. Because you don't notice until it does.

It's an error of observation. You see something you consider strange and ask yourself the odds of that. You get whatever longshot number. But imagine ALL of the odd things that you could have noticed. This one may be a 1 in 10,000 shot, but how many DIFFERENT 1 in 10,000 shots would have gotten your attention?

The odds of it happening sometime are 100%. You just happened to notice it.

[Wizdar]

Exactly!

[briank]

Well, if they aren't random..........they've been on my side lately so I'm not complaining!
I bought into PokerStars for the minimum buy-in, and have turned that in over 15 X my deposit in just 6 weeks. (mostly at $2/4 6 seated tables).

Really, you have to remember, as others have pointed out, how many more hands you are seeing online vs. live play. You are going to see crazy hands from time to time, yes even back to back every once in a while.
Wow, 3 times in a row, who would have thunk it?.....it happens....

Sometimes it's fun sharing the stories (or just venting, like just now I was sitting at a $3/6 table, everyone left but one player, I'm dealt AA, didn't even bother to slow play it, against a 4-6off, he calls, catches a 4 on the flop, and 6 on the river...arghh....oh well....I just had to wait 5 extra minutes for him to give it back plus some).

There may be some obscure poker sites that aren't random....but the popular ones, I really don't see how it would be in their best interest to make it random, too much of a risk for them I would think. They are collecting plenty of rakes every second already.

Just my opinion though...

[bobe]

I agree. I played on Party Poker for less than a month and saw 10X more bad beats online than I ever have in real play. Now when I want to play I head up the road to my local Casino 3-6 game. I find that there aren't near as many bad beats in the real world. Bad beats can and will happen in real life but the PP games are the worst. I will not ever play poker on line for real money again.

[mgbfan]

I find that there aren't near as many bad beats in the real world. Bad beats can and will happen in real life but the PP games are the worst.
Hmm ... you don't suppose that might have something to do with online players being weak and chasing a lot more hands than the more solid B&M players, eh?

I will not ever play poker on line for real money again.
Your loss man. Your loss.

[BudSeriously]

While I too have noticed that online poker deals don't seem to be totally random, at least they are not totally random for everybody. You have an equal chance of being on either side of a bad beat.

[alarican]

While I too have noticed that online poker deals don't seem to be totally random, at least they are not totally random for everybody. You have an equal chance of being on either side of a bad beat.

Very true!