Mario Hits Dance Dance Revolution
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This is ridiculous. Like a lot of people, I came of age playing video games like marios 1-3 on the nes, and will always have a special place in my heart for mario, but... Maybe it's a combination of me being 22 and enjoying more adult games, but I feel Nintendo has ruined Mario. You have Mario Tennis, Mario Cart, Mario Party, Mario Bash Brothers and etc. It's overexposure. I'm sick of that little plumber. Just give us an old fashioned mario platformer with gamecube graphics already. I don't want Mario to bleeping play basketball or dance. End of rant.
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Originally Posted by cheapskate
You know... he always looked the type...
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Originally Posted by Michael Ballack
Maybe it's a combination of me being 22 and enjoying more adult games, but I feel Nintendo has ruined Mario. You have Mario Tennis, Mario Cart, Mario Party, Mario Bash Brothers and etc. It's overexposure.
I see this as a symptom of extreme overcrowding of the market. Consider the volume of (ostensibly) new media every year - videogames, music albums, movies, TV shows, books. I'd love to see some stats about that, because I swear we have more of everything today than we've ever had before. In the abstract, that's not a bad thing - but we don't have the resources to sustain this quantity while maintaining quality. As a result, the quality of the average movie, videogame, etc. has plummeted.
Someday, consumption will slack off as a result - the public will reach a saturation point for bad content, and they'll start consuming less. Until that happens, media producers have to find ways to sustain consumption. They can't do it by improving the quality of their media; that's too expensive and difficult.
So instead, they sustain it by alternative techniques. Brand awareness is probably the strongest at this stage. You put out one good content anchor, and then you can spin off a hundred crappy tie-ins. Why do you think every media market is flooded with crappy and derivative sequels?
That's exactly what's happening with Mario. Same happened with Star Trek, and with the Batman franchise. The only factor saving Star Wars from the same fate is its implicit end point (i.e., only one episode left in the current epoch.) Eventually, media developers will realize that they're killing their own much-vaunted brands with these crappy tactics. But they haven't realized it yet.
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Originally Posted by sfsdfd
Eventually, media developers will realize that they're killing their own much-vaunted brands with these crappy tactics. But they haven't realized it yet.
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Originally Posted by Michael Ballack
This is ridiculous. Like a lot of people, I came of age playing video games like marios 1-3 on the nes, and will always have a special place in my heart for mario, but... Maybe it's a combination of me being 22 and enjoying more adult games, but I feel Nintendo has ruined Mario. You have Mario Tennis, Mario Cart, Mario Party, Mario Bash Brothers and etc. It's overexposure. I'm sick of that little plumber. Just give us an old fashioned mario platformer with gamecube graphics already. I don't want Mario to bleeping play basketball or dance. End of rant.
Of course I could be totally wrong and Mario could still rule the world with an iron biscuit.
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I think Nintendo is desperately looking for ways for third party games to succeed on the cube, and allowing their characters in games has worked well in the past, ie. Soul Calibur 2. Third party multiplatform releases just don't sell as well on the cube, and having something exclusive is a must.
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Originally Posted by msdmoney
I think Nintendo is desperately looking for ways for third party games to succeed on the cube, and allowing their characters in games has worked well in the past, ie. Soul Calibur 2. Third party multiplatform releases just don't sell as well on the cube, and having something exclusive is a must.
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Originally Posted by msdmoney
I think Nintendo is desperately looking for ways for third party games to succeed on the cube, and allowing their characters in games has worked well in the past, ie. Soul Calibur 2. Third party multiplatform releases just don't sell as well on the cube, and having something exclusive is a must.
So, Mario appearing elsewhere besides a "Mario game" is not uncommon. Appearing in third-party games is more of a push it seems though, and I am not entirely sure I agree. Link in Soul Calibur was interesting, but not necessary and I'd rather see Nintendo preserve their characters and story to their games. I think Nintendo's own Mario appearanes are fine though, as most feature the whole Nintendo cast and are more about the style of game than the actual Mario appearance or name (racing, tennis, golf, party games, etc.). Most of these games are fun and the Nintendo cast just gives them a unique theme no other company can use.
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Originally Posted by msdmoney
I think Nintendo is desperately looking for ways for third party games to succeed on the cube, and allowing their characters in games has worked well in the past, ie. Soul Calibur 2. Third party multiplatform releases just don't sell as well on the cube, and having something exclusive is a must.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57572
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Originally Posted by outer-edge
I'd say this has a lot to do with it. Mario has been in other games even back in the NES days: Dr. Mario, Mario is Missing, Golf, Mario's Time Machine, Yoshi, and I even think there were a few educational themed ones (I could be wrong though).
I find this both disturbing and awesome that Nintendo is invading everything. Actually more awesome than disturbing. Though I will now be buying games I may or may not have bought without the additions. So let's see, Nintendo in non-Nintendo made games, not counting PC:
The five educational titles I mentioned above
Soul Calibur 2 (Link)
Pac-Man Vs. (Mario's voice)
NBA Street V3 (Mario guys)
Dance Dance Revolution (Mario guys)
Fight Night Round 2 (Super Punch-Out!!)
and of course for the lovely Philips CD-i:
Link: The Faces of Evil
Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon
Zelda's Adventure
Hotel Mario (actually a pretty cool game)
Anything else I failed to mention?
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It doesn't bother me. I like Mario, but I don't buy everything that has his name on it. I have to like that type of game before I buy it.
However, I do not think they would be making so many if there was no market. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy them, so if you don't like it.. don't buy it.
If a game is fun, that's all that matters to me. Re-used character doesn't matter if the game is fun.
However, I do not think they would be making so many if there was no market. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy them, so if you don't like it.. don't buy it.
If a game is fun, that's all that matters to me. Re-used character doesn't matter if the game is fun.
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Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Pac-Man vs. was made by Nintendo.
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I too am sick of the little plumber. After twenty years or so of seeing Mario in this and mario in that, IMO, It's time to put the final nail in the coffin. Don't take that as console bashing either. I own a game cube and even love all the old mario bros games. They were great and like someone said, will hold that special place in my heart and video gaming history. But they need to get a new mascot. End of rant.
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I would love a mario platformer as well. I could never get into the party and "sports" games.
Also how difficult is it to give Kid Icarus some love DAMMIT!!!
Also how difficult is it to give Kid Icarus some love DAMMIT!!!
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There's a new 2D mario platformer coming for the DS soon. And supposedly a new one for the GC as well, but I imagine that won't be seen until 2006. I personally think they should hold that one to launch with their next gen console.
Anyway, I'm not sick of him. I just buy the main games ,the cart games and maybe some of the sports titles.
I don't care about these guest appearances. They're a good idea though, gives mario fans (and kids) more incentive to pick up the GC version of the game.
Anyway, I'm not sick of him. I just buy the main games ,the cart games and maybe some of the sports titles.
I don't care about these guest appearances. They're a good idea though, gives mario fans (and kids) more incentive to pick up the GC version of the game.