Hollywood Remakes... WTF!

[mikewendt]

The studios are out of fucking control with the remakes... First they can't stop turning great Japan horror flicks into piles of PG-13 shit.

And now they remaking...

Evil Dead
Scanners
& Susperia

to name a few. Not sequels, REMAKES!!! Have they learned nothing from Psycho??? Are they that fucking desperate for ideas? Shit, I've heard of writter's block but shit... I'm really curious how many films were made this year based on other films?

I just needed to vent... Better now.

[jaeufraser]

Eh, well, this is less about Psycho and more about copying the successes of Dawn of the Dead and TCM. It's getting a bit tiresome, but it's the new big thing in horror. On the flip side, has horror ever really been the most creative genre ever? In the 80s is was endless sequels. Now it's endless remakes. On the bright side, at least we're getting a bunch of horror movies. For some reason I doubt Land of the Dead would be even made if not for the success of Dawn of the Dead.

[fumanstan]

Considering the success of The Grudge, i'm sure most people disagree with you about it being a pile of shit. Ocean's 11 was great. I also had a lot of fun with Italian Job. Quite frankly, i couldn't care less if Hollywood keeps throwing out remakes, as long as there are a few enjoyable ones out there. Besides, it's not like remakes are the sole source of crap out there. There are plenty of original ideas that suck too :)

[Matthew Chmiel]

No offense; but if Ringu was rated by the MPAA, it'd probably be PG-13.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake was terrible; but the Dawn of the Dead remake was fantastic and felt more like an add-on to the original than just someone trying to copy the first. They took the same premise as the first (mall and zombies) and let it run on it's own. Instead of a horror film with social commentary and comedic elements, we got a straight-up action film with horror elements. Sure, it might not be as original or intellectual as the first, but still entertaining nevertheless. Props to Gunn and Snyder for that one.

Ocean's 11 and Solaris were both great fucking remakes. Hell, Solaris was (IMO) a lot better than the original Russian version from 1970. Heck, I even enjoyed The Italian Job (Norton hamming it up for two hours is great).

Remakes could be great if done right. Some others, happen to suck...

For some reason I doubt Land of the Dead would be even made if not for the success of Dawn of the Dead.
Yeah, because after the remake, Universal jumped in to help Romero out. Unlike FOX (loooosers), they were ready to shell out $10 million for Romero to get his vision towards the big screen. Christ, Universal will be taking some nice risks in 2005 (Land of the Dead and Serenity).

[Jackskeleton]

It's a free market and it's clear that these remakes are hitting the right notes. If you don't like it... fine. That is your opinion, but it's clear that it is not shared by many. I enjoyed the Hollywood version of Ringu, Grudge, Dawn and Ocean's 11.

You should realize that your crazy rants don't represent what the free market is saying or else hollywood studios wouldn't be doing this.

[Rival11]

I used to be against remakes as well and I mean big time but I have to admit the remake of Dawn was damn good and now after watching the remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre for a second time without throwing a fit, I actually like it a lot.

I honestly think most people just shut completely off when they hear about remakes. Hell I don't blame them, It's the movies they love, but when was the last time any of you really watched the original Chainsaw without not wanting to stop it after about half way through? I love the original but it's pure shit for most of the ride until we get into the gory goods.

Jaeu has an excellent point about horror flicks not being the most creative genre as well, I'm a horror junkie but most of what we have originally received in the past was a lot of under produced/same ol' shit.

The point about Ringu; I more than agree, It would have most likely gotten the PG-13 stamp.

I am now very open to these remakes and I will admit the news of the Evil Dead pissed me off plenty mainly due to the fact that there is no Samn and Bruce. I spoke with a friend yesterday about it and he said he wouldn't mind seeing stiffler give it a shot as long as they stick to the hardcore gore.

Take it how you will and you can bash me all you want but I really think a lot of people should be more open to these remakes - do they stay dead on target? No, do they sell out? I'll say no to that as well.

Damn, my first post ever was about wanting to "stop horror movie remakes".....................shit changes I guess.

[PopcornTreeCt]

I'm still against remakes!! It limits the market for new writers with creative ideas.

[Sessa17]

Originally posted by mikewendt
The studios are out of fucking control with the remakes... First they can't stop turning great Japan horror flicks into piles of PG-13 shit.

By this statement you are somehow correlating that the recent Japan horror movies are piles of shit only b/c the re-make is PG-13. Obviously you are referring to the original Ring & Ju-On, so have you actually seen the originals? B/c they are PG-13 movies if they were rated by the MPAA, there is no graphic violence, language or sexuality in them.

As far as great horror flicks being ruined in remakes, I guess I have different tastes b/c IMO 2 of the greatest horror films every created The Thing & The Fly are both remakes.

I'm not a fan of remakes either, but if you don't like them don't support them, it's that simple.

Hollywood is completely out of ideas & if you want good movies they are out there, you just have to search them out. I've seen the endless updates of absurd amounts of movies you watch every day & your tastes are as mainstream & bromide as they get, almost all you watch are typical mainstream Hollywood movies, not to mention I've seen you list watching The Texas Chainsaw Massacre & Dawn of the Dead, 2 of the shittiest hollywood remakes there are & you own them both, on top of the dreadfully uncalled for Psycho remake.

You rant comes off as if you are soooo pissed Hollywood is ruining the beloved original movies that you love & cherish so much, yet you list have nearly 800 DVD (which your sig says in multiple versions of tracker systems as being "up to date"), yet you do not even own Scanners or Susperia so w/ that many DVDs you clearly are not a fan of either film, so why do you care they are remade.


So why is it again these remakes bother you, when you seem to own the very movies you bitch about yet don't own the movies you seem to be pissed they are bastardizing? :hscratch:

[Rival11]

To the OP - I'm not trying to get on your case but you listed three horror movie remakes yet you have both remakes of Dawn and the special edition Chainsaw on DVD?

Are you opposed to the films themselves or do you just get mad at the initial news of a remake?

[marty888]

Ah, another remake rant.

I'm sure that if the internet existed in the 1920's and 30's, we would have had the same rants, because they were doing remakes even then.

[Third Baseman]

Add Oldboy to that list, which really pisses me off. :mad::mad:

[Joe Molotov]

Originally posted by marty888
Ah, another remake rant.

I'm sure that if the internet existed in the 1920's and 30's, we would have had the same rants, because they were doing remakes even then.

I can't believe they remade Ben-Hur and the The Ten Commandments! Cecil B. DeMille raped my childhood!

[Geofferson]

It is getting out of hand.

I was reading up on John Carpenter's filmogrophy the other day and saw that there are remakes of The Fog in the works and the Assault on Precinct 13 remake comes out in January.

[Trigger]

stop calling it 'ringu'

thanks. :D

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Geofferson
It is getting out of hand.

I was reading up on John Carpenter's filmogrophy the other day and saw that there are remakes of The Fog in the works and the Assault on Precinct 13 remake comes out in January. Considering that Assault on Precinct 13 is itself a remake, and has already been remade once by Carptenter itself...I don't understand the problem.

[renaldow]

Originally posted by mikewendt
The studios are out of fucking control with the remakes... First they can't stop turning great Japan horror flicks into piles of PG-13 shit.

And now they remaking...

Evil Dead
Scanners
& Susperia

to name a few. Not sequels, REMAKES!!! Have they learned nothing from Psycho??? Are they that fucking desperate for ideas? Shit, I've heard of writter's block but shit... I'm really curious how many films were made this year based on other films?

I just needed to vent... Better now.

I hate to tell you this but your thread is a remake.

[renaldow]

Originally posted by Trigger
stop calling it 'ringu'

thanks. :D

:up:

No shit. That drives me crazy.

[Brain Stew]

Originally posted by marty888
Ah, another remake rant.

I'm sure that if the internet existed in the 1920's and 30's, we would have had the same rants, because they were doing remakes even then.

Hell, even Bogart's The Maltese Falcon was the umpteenth remake of the movie.

[Rival11]

Originally posted by renaldow
:up:

No shit. That drives me crazy.

Why? We were reffering to the original "Ringu" - what's the problem?

[Giles]

Originally posted by mikewendt
First they can't stop turning great Japan horror flicks into piles of PG-13 shit.



how very true, I am surprised that no one remade a PG-13 version of Battle Royale -wink-

there's also in the works a Hollywood remake of (Korean filmmaker) Kim Ji-woon's film Tale of Two Sisters

[Joe Molotov]

Originally posted by Rival11
Why? We were reffering to the original "Ringu" - what's the problem?

They'd rather you call it "Ring" or "The Ring", that way everyone can be incredibly confused about the movie you're talking about.

[BigDan]

I don't mind remakes (especially of movies like Ocean's 11 that weren't very good the first time around), though I am getting pretty tired of the comedic movie versions of old television shows.

[Hokeyboy]

Originally posted by Brain Stew
Hell, even Bogart's The Maltese Falcon was the umpteenth remake of the movie.
No NO NOOOOOOOOOO! :mad:

It wasn't a remake; it was an adaptation. There's a difference!

[jiggawhat]

People are running out of ideas. ..

[BigDan]

Originally posted by Matt Millheiser
No NO NOOOOOOOOOO! :mad:

It wasn't a remake; it was an adaptation. There's a difference!

So what's the difference?

I've not seen the 1931 version of The Maltese Falcon to compare and contrast.

[Rammsteinfan]

The Thing... best remake ever!

[Hokeyboy]

Originally posted by BigDan
So what's the difference?

I've not seen the 1931 version of The Maltese Falcon to compare and contrast.
I ask you this:

Was the 1997 TV miniseries version of "The Shining" a remake of Kubrick's film? No. They were both adaptations of a novel. In the same vein, was Baz Luhrman's "Romeo and Juliet" a remake of Zefferelli (my spelling's off, I know)? Not even. Ethan Hawke's "Hamlet" a remake of Olivier's, or even Mel Gibson's? Same thing.

I'm sure nobody would aruge that Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood" is a remake of Errol Flynn's... or Sean Connery's.

A movie remake IMO takes a property that originated as film and remakes it in film. A property that originates in another media (books, plays, etc.) does not apply. That's my take on things and I'm sticking to it! Don't believe me? I'll

[BigDan]

Makes sense to me, though I suppose there are instances where a movie could be a remake despite the original source material being a book (like 'Psycho').

I just wondered what would make the difference, in your opinion.

[chente]

The Soderbergh Solaris movie was a different adaption of the Stanislaw Lem Science Fiction novel, not a remake of the Tarkovsky movie.

I saw Jo-un The Grudge but didn't see the US remake. Watching the trailer, it seemed that a lot of the imagary and scenes were taken from the original. Stuff like what the boy looked like and the elevator and shower scenes.

[Geofferson]

Originally posted by Groucho
Considering that Assault on Precinct 13 is itself a remake, and has already been remade once by Carptenter itself...I don't understand the problem.
Right, but I think there's a difference.

Movies like Shane, The Searchers, yes Rio Bravo, Die Hard, 48 Hrs., are all examples of forumulas that serve as the backbone of many movies. Assault on Precinct 13 is a remake of Rio Bravo substituting the Old West for urban LA much like Pale Rider is a remake of Shane substituting the young boy for a young girl or The Magnificent Seven being a remake of Yojimbo or even Sudden Death being a remake of Die Hard.

These formulas are tried and true and time will continue to dictate so.

I do believe it is getting out of hand. From my point of view that is, because I am a film buff and have seen nearly all of the original films to which the remakes are based on. However, from a studio's perspective - introducing a story to somebody for the very first time (since many people cringe at the thought of watching a movie made before 1985 or *shudder* filmed in B/W) a remake is the only way to go.

[Jackskeleton]

People have been screaming to the high heavens for decades that "hollywood remakes" are getting out of hand. I don't think so. Hollywood is still filled with tons of creative ideas. Some stick and some don't. They do need something to pay the bills. Like Criterion Collections. They have some of the best classics, but then they have some titles you have to wonder why they have them and it's for the sole reason to get cash to make those other classics.

Remakes make money, money that helps support the creative new films. Learn to deal with it folks.

[renaldow]

Originally posted by Rival11
Why? We were reffering to the original "Ringu" - what's the problem?

Originally posted by Joe Molotov
They'd rather you call it "Ring" or "The Ring", that way everyone can be incredibly confused about the movie you're talking about.

The name of the movie is Ring. Ringu is a name made up by the US distributor for the release so it wouldn't get confused with the US Ring release.

Call it the Japanese Ring. No confusion. Not difficult.

Funny how people that demand OAR and what not have no problems not calling a film by its' actual title. :rolleyes:

[Rival11]

Originally posted by renaldow
The name of the movie is Ring. Ringu is a name made up by the US distributor for the release so it wouldn't get confused with the US Ring release.

Call it the Japanese Ring. No confusion. Not difficult.

Funny how people that demand OAR and what not have no problems not calling a film by its' actual title. :rolleyes:

Actually, I don't care what it's called but since I thought that was the name, I asked what the big deal was.

[Trigger]

Ring - the english word spoken by a Japanese native speaker in english might sound like "Ring-goo"... it's because of the way they group different sounds. McDonalds sounds something like "Mac-coo-don-nal-doos" Somehow the japanese pronounciation of Ring ended up as the US distributor's title... Ring-goo/Ring-gu = Ringu. Funny thing about it is when they were selling the DVD, the voiceover guy pronounced it like "Ring-you". So stupid. Anyway - it's kinda dumb to call it Ringu and it's somewhat insulting I think as if it's mocking the way japanese people talk. On top of all this, the title of it is actually Ring... not Ringu. If someone says "I saw Ring last night" I figure they're talking about the Japanese one... if they say "I watched The Ring last night" I would assume the American version.

It's like the movies Blade and The Blade. One is a Tsui Hark period swordfighting/martial arts film from China and the other is a Wesley Snipes vampire action movie from America. I'm not as anal about other things - like Braindead vs. Dead Alive or Resident Evil vs. Biohazard. But the fact that the title change of Ring to Ringu has more to do with making fun of the way a culture pronounces a word than it does anything else is enough reason to be annoyed by it. I don't think it had much to do with helping people tell the difference between the US version and the Japan version - Oceans 11, Solaris, Texas Chainsaw Massacre... these films are called the same thing and people aren't getting in fistfights because they think it's too much work to explain which one they're talking about.

[Verbal Gorilla]

Originally posted by Trigger
Ring - the english word spoken by a Japanese native speaker in english might sound like "Ring-goo"... it's because of the way they group different sounds. McDonalds sounds something like "Mac-coo-don-nal-doos" Somehow the japanese pronounciation of Ring ended up as the US distributor's title... Ring-goo/Ring-gu = Ringu. Funny thing about it is when they were selling the DVD, the voiceover guy pronounced it like "Ring-you". So stupid. Anyway - it's kinda dumb to call it Ringu and it's somewhat insulting I think as if it's mocking the way japanese people talk. On top of all this, the title of it is actually Ring... not Ringu. If someone says "I saw Ring last night" I figure they're talking about the Japanese one... if they say "I watched The Ring last night" I would assume the American version.

It's like the movies Blade and The Blade. One is a Tsui Hark period swordfighting/martial arts film from China and the other is a Wesley Snipes vampire action movie from America. I'm not as anal about other things - like Braindead vs. Dead Alive or Resident Evil vs. Biohazard. But the fact that the title change of Ring to Ringu has more to do with making fun of the way a culture pronounces a word than it does anything else is enough reason to be annoyed by it. I don't think it had much to do with helping people tell the difference between the US version and the Japan version - Oceans 11, Solaris, Texas Chainsaw Massacre... these films are called the same thing and people aren't getting in fistfights because they think it's too much work to explain which one they're talking about.

How is it making fun of the way the Japanese talk?! It's called transliteration. There is an entire field dedicated to writing the literal way people from other languages pronounce things. Are we making fun of Russians or Koreans when we quote them in their language? No, we are just using a latin alphabet. Because the fact that it is an English word makes a difference? The difference between this film and the other you mentioned is that they were both released within weeks of each other in the same market. Many people are named David, but you don't name your identical twin boys both David. There is also a clear distinction between movies because of cultural and language differences, so why is it offensive to distinguish the film based on language, in this case pronunciation, which is clearly different as you pointed out? Or is this a case of "we're all the same, everyone is the same"?

[B4Bishop]

Originally posted by jiggawhat
People are running out of ideas. ..

No, it just that Hollywood suits live for the open box office. Ther are a ton of good ideas out there, but the suits want that box office bang!


They sux!

[Rival11]

Originally posted by Trigger
Ring - the english word spoken by a Japanese native speaker in english might sound like "Ring-goo"... it's because of the way they group different sounds. McDonalds sounds something like "Mac-coo-don-nal-doos" Somehow the japanese pronounciation of Ring ended up as the US distributor's title... Ring-goo/Ring-gu = Ringu. Funny thing about it is when they were selling the DVD, the voiceover guy pronounced it like "Ring-you". So stupid. Anyway - it's kinda dumb to call it Ringu and it's somewhat insulting I think as if it's mocking the way japanese people talk. On top of all this, the title of it is actually Ring... not Ringu. If someone says "I saw Ring last night" I figure they're talking about the Japanese one... if they say "I watched The Ring last night" I would assume the American version.

It's like the movies Blade and The Blade. One is a Tsui Hark period swordfighting/martial arts film from China and the other is a Wesley Snipes vampire action movie from America. I'm not as anal about other things - like Braindead vs. Dead Alive or Resident Evil vs. Biohazard. But the fact that the title change of Ring to Ringu has more to do with making fun of the way a culture pronounces a word than it does anything else is enough reason to be annoyed by it. I don't think it had much to do with helping people tell the difference between the US version and the Japan version - Oceans 11, Solaris, Texas Chainsaw Massacre... these films are called the same thing and people aren't getting in fistfights because they think it's too much work to explain which one they're talking about.

Trigger, you're way off on this one. Read Verbal's post - although I didn't know the fine details, I had an Idea that it had do with some cultural standards.

[island007]

RINGU :D was okay, but The Ring is better.

My favorite remake would be The Thing.

[Trigger]

How is it making fun of the way the Japanese talk?! It's called transliteration. There is an entire field dedicated to writing the literal way people from other languages pronounce things. Are we making fun of Russians or Koreans when we quote them in their language? No, we are just using a latin alphabet. Because the fact that it is an English word makes a difference? The difference between this film and the other you mentioned is that they were both released within weeks of each other in the same market. Many people are named David, but you don't name your identical twin boys both David. There is also a clear distinction between movies because of cultural and language differences, so why is it offensive to distinguish the film based on language, in this case pronunciation, which is clearly different as you pointed out? Or is this a case of "we're all the same, everyone is the same"?Yes it makes a difference that it's an English word and not a Japanese word. I know about transliteration, but this is a case of changing the title of a film based on the way the Japanese pronounce the word and not a linguistics study. It's insulting to someone - if not Japanese people, then American people who are smart enough to tell the difference between "Ring" and "The Ring"... I blew the 'insulting to the Japanese' thing out of proportion, but this isn't the same as naming your twin boys both David.

[Jackskeleton]

No, it just that Hollywood suits live for the open box office. Ther are a ton of good ideas out there, but the suits want that box office bang!



Pretty much got that one down.They like big numbers so that they can actually afford putting up the buck for those other new ideas.