Old topic: discuss with wisdom!

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
While browsing the Internet Movie Database forums, I got caught in a thread someone made claiming that a new Kubrick Box Set will be released with enhanced quality and loads of Special features.

glad to see you escaped

Well, you have to figure it's only a matter of time... When that will be is the question.

What I know > There's been no official announcement of a new Kubrick set.

Yet.

From that thread > <i>"Of course, none of the Kubrick films had been presented in anamorphic before."</i>

Oh really... Could've fooled me (2001: ASO).

I will not be surprised, at all, when and if this happens...

2001 A Space Odyssey is the only one I've read of getting a new release.

The only three movies I ever liked of his were:

1) 2001: A Space Odyssey

2) Dr. Strangelove

3) Spartacus


So a special edition of 2001 I would gladly pay for

I'd gladly welcome an updated Kubrick box set.

I would love Full Metal Jacket and The Shining get some extra treatment.

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
Those are the two that need to super re-mastering. Everyone can only hope....
They look more than fine in their current incarnations.

I would be pissed, I've quad-dipped on one Kubrick title (strangelove) and tripled on Eyes wide shut, and doubled on the box set in it's current incarnation...Just leave the damn things alone!

Originally posted by lordzeppelin
I would be pissed, I've quad-dipped on one Kubrick title (strangelove) and tripled on Eyes wide shut, and doubled on the box set in it's current incarnation...Just leave the damn things alone!
Ya, I think it would be very cool for some nice SEs, I've bought 2 copies of most of the Kubrick's I have, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get an SE unless it was ~$10. Although being able to get rid of the snappers would be very nice.

This guy obviously knows what he's talking about:

I know that Kubrick wanted those films to be presented full-frame, but from what I was told, they could still be presented in anamorphic, but just window-paned at 1.33:1.

some movies were shot in 1.33:1. But, from I was told, they can encode the discs to be anamorphic and still present them in 1.33, at a higher resolution.

What's his Warner Home Video inside source? The janitor?

I'd be all over a new Kubrick box set since I do not own any of the current set. I do have 2001: ASO and A Clockwork Orange in the silver book like gift sets with senitypes though.

I think Warner should have got it right the last time when they re-issued Kubricks movies with new transfers. People who own the current set may be a bit miffed and upset since this would be the third progression of all of Kubricks movies. I know a couple people who bought the original set and then had to upgrade to the remastered set. Just imagine triple dipping on a third box set!

I'd like to see a 2001: Special Edition. Other than that, I'm satisfied with what's out there.

I am sort of amblivalant to this. On the one hand I would love to have some of his films in widescreeen on the orther Kubrick clearly wanted his films presentes as they are now. I hope they at least work with the cameramen, producers etc. like the previous release and get an approval from the Kubrick estate.

Originally posted by Kant
On the one hand I would love to have some of his films in widescreeen on the orther Kubrick clearly wanted his films presentes as they are now.

Perhaps on T.V.

I call this as bullshit.

We're not gonna see another Kubrick DVD set until there is a widely accepted HD-DVD format established.

perhaps Kubrick wasn't aware that 16x9 HDTVs would soon make an introduction to the world....

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
Perhaps Kubrick wasn't aware that Widescreen Televisions would soon make a big appearance to the world....

Kubrick died in early 1999... The man was miles ahead of most people, technically, and his passion was film... Of course he knew about widescreen televisions, they were already available at that point. Contrary to a lot of rumors floating around in the press and the like, Kubrick was not a complet hermit... Shut in and locked away from the world and no longer embracing of new technologies or unaware of progress. So, the line of thought that Kubrick was not aware of HDTV or future technology makes little sense - IMHO.

Ok. I didn't want to start the debate again! LOL

Isn't the new version of Dr. Strangelove in anamorphic? Anyway, if WB can improve on the versions that are out there, for all the movies, I would be more than happy do buy it again, even though, like many of you, I have bought most of them two or three times before. Definitely would like to see some pretty anamorphic transfers.

Haven't purchased any of these titles so SEs would be great.

I read they were releasing a NR version of Eyes Wide Shut, without all of the digital crap. Whether or not that is part of a larger series of re-releases, I do not know.

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
An Un-rated version?! So the current DVD is cut? NO!!

By about 30 seconds. It is the same cut audiences saw in theatres.

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=667

It's weird that the Eyes Wide Shut trailer was not included on the DVD.

Perahps because the star is naked in a longer shot than the one that appears in the film.

What will be on the new 2001 DVD? Any details out there yet?

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I would love to see a SE of A Clockwork Orange and The Shining.

Although I bought the remastered box set, it would be nice to see special editions of all his films.

These are movies worth douple-dipping IMHO.

If only to just get rid of the snappers.

Originally posted by Paris
I would love to see a SE of A Clockwork Orange and The Shining.

agreed!

So I take it that no one has any back-up information on this topic? Any details?

MontyPythonFan

well I for one don't have an interest in this box set. Uncut versions of many films will not be included, so I would rather buy a laserdisc player (which I was planning to anyways) and get the OOP criterion discs.

Originally posted by undergradsfan
well I for one don't have an interest in this box set. Uncut versions of many films will not be included, so I would rather buy a laserdisc player (which I was planning to anyways) and get the OOP criterion discs.

I've always wanted to know why OOP Laserdiscs are so important. They for one, are terrible in quality, and two, do not make much of an exultant home viewing experience. Is it because they are worth a humongous amount of money? Anyone care to enlighten me?

Thanks,

MontyPythonFan

1) Sometimes it's the ONLY way to have a decent UNCUT version of a movie.
2) The quality isn't that terrible. Might not be quite as nice as DVD but (usually) it's a damn sight better than VHS.
3) Many extras won't get ported over to the DVD release due to rights issues or plain stupidity.
4) Did I mention sometimes it's the ONY way to have a decent UNCUT version of a movie? :)

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
I've always wanted to know why Out of Print Laserdiscs are important. They, for one, are terrible in quality, and, two, do not make much of an exultant home-viewing experience. Is it because they are worth a humongous amount of money? Anyone care to enlighten me on this particular subject?


As spoken by someone who has never in his life laid eyes on a laserdisc.

Originally posted by Josh Z
As spoken by someone who has never in his life laid eyes on a laserdisc.

I've owned three laserdiscs, and have watched them countlessly, but hey, thanks for your contributive opinion!

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
Yes, it was a just a little joke commenting on all these Kubrick + widescreen = bad/good comments floating about. No need to take it seriously.

MontyPythonFan

My brother has a 16:9 Full Metal Jacket and had a 16:9 Clockwork Orange on his HDTivo. Gotta love direct TV.

Originally posted by MontyPythonFan
I've owned three laserdiscs, and have watched them countlessly, but hey, thanks for your contributive opinion!

You need a better laserdisc player, and/or to buy some halfway decent discs.

Originally posted by lordzeppelin
I would be pissed, I've quad-dipped on one Kubrick title (strangelove) and tripled on Eyes wide shut, and doubled on the box set in it's current incarnation...Just leave the damn things alone!

Better yet, the home entertainment divisions of the movie studios should do them RIGHT the FIRST time.

Originally posted by tacomantt
My brother has a 16:9 Full Metal Jacket and had a 16:9 Clockwork Orange on his HDTivo. Gotta love direct TV.

Well at least for FMJ, it's not even the proper aspect ratio, so having them isn't exactly a great coup. Remember, it's the PROPER aspect ratio that most important.

Any word on the Kubrick shorts being released on DVD. A VHS version of a few of them came out years ago.

A DVD was planned. Not sure what happened to it.

Originally posted by DVD Josh
Well at least for FMJ, it's not even the proper aspect ratio, so having them isn't exactly a great coup.

This has been covered ad nauseum. Full Metal Jacket was composed for theatrical exhibition at 1.85:1. What Kubrick preferred on home video is another matter.

I've been crawling around for info on a 2001 rerelease which was mentioned somewhere, and saw this on The Digital Bits (http://thedigitalbits.com)
Posted on 4/23/04 at this location (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormillarc20.html):
Tonight I was fortunate enough to see Leon Vitali in person at a special screening of Barry Lyndon at the University of Colorado. In his discussion, Mr. Vitali revealed that Warner Bros. is planning to release the uncensored international version of Eyes Wide Shut here in the States, sometime next year. Not sure if this was already officially announced or not.
Interesting indeed. You've gotta assume there'd be more than 30 extra seconds and a trailer on there though, or at least I hope. I'll post if I ever find the 2001 info.

There is no "extra" footage. The current dvd is "uncut".
However, digital images were added in several shots to block out some naughty stuff....

Well I just ordered the Dr. Strangelove SE...Im not sure how many of these I would repurchase. Id probably rebuy 2001 and A Clockwork Orange if they had some interesting bonus material, Eyes Wide Shut if it was unedited/OTAR, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket if they were OTAR (original theatrical aspect ratio). Lolitas fine as it is and I only have Barry Lyndon because it was in the box :).

These dvd's do contain the films in their OTAR's. You can simply obscure the top and bottom parts, which is exactly what was done in theaters....

The difference in resolution simply doesn't amount to that much difference in quality. The problem is that usually (but not with the Kubricks), an open matte 4:3 dvd (or a non-anamorphic 1.85:1 dvd) of a 1.85:1 movie implies a lack of care or/and an old LD transfer, so these dvd's are generally inferior.

Originally posted by FilmStudent
Any word on the Kubrick shorts being released on DVD. A VHS version of a few of them came out years ago.

A DVD was planned. Not sure what happened to it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm reasonably sure that the Kubrick shorts were never released officially in any format. 'The Seafarers' was going to be released by some weird on-line company, and might have been briefly available from them on VHS, and there was definitely talks that they'd release it on DVD, but nothing ever seemed to come of that. I'm definitely not aware of any official release of 'Day of the Fight' or 'Flight of the Padre' (I got them on a VHS bootleg of 'Fear and Desire').

I do kinda think there will be a release of the "lost" (which is to say, disowned) Kubrick stuff some day. But, boy, the ghost of Kubrick probably wouldn't like that.

[Interestingly, I was reading a book of Kubrick interviews the other day, and he used to disown 'Killer's Kiss' as well, in the early '60's, yet that's been allowed to circulate.]

Originally posted by ENDContra
Id probably rebuy ... The Shining and Full Metal Jacket if they were OTAR (original theatrical aspect ratio).

I'd buy 'The Shining' if it had the alternate, shorter cut, because I'm curious about how Kubrick himself chose to change it to try to shorten it. (Obviously, if they somehow found the footage Kubrick cut just after the release, that'd be amazing, but I wouldn't expect anything like that.)

Lolitas fine as it is

Actually, I believe that 'Lolita' is supposed to have a rotating aspect ratio like that of 'Strangelove', by what Kubrick wanted. I think the LD release had it, from what I understand, but I may be mis-remembering what I was told on that front.

ThatGuamGuy - you are correct, sir. The VHS version of The Seaferes was released on VHS. The company that did it announced a DVD release of it and hinted/stated that we would see Day of the Fight and Flight of the Padre.

They even announced a number of interesting people on the audio commentary.

But they wanted to make sure none of those films were marketed at a lost treasure. It was meant to be out there just to show more work of a great artist.

Perhaps, Killer's Kiss is too big of a release to simply ignore.

Originally posted by ThatGuamGuy
I'd buy 'The Shining' if it had the alternate, shorter cut, because I'm curious about how Kubrick himself chose to change it to try to shorten it. (Obviously, if they somehow found the footage Kubrick cut just after the release, that'd be amazing, but I wouldn't expect anything like that.)



The R2 release of The Shining contains the shorter cut.

The laserdisc of Lolita was the same aspect ratio as the DVD... 1.66:1. I don't think it was supposed to rotate like Strangelove's.

Originally posted by drjay
I've been crawling around for info on a 2001 rerelease which was mentioned somewhere, and saw this on The Digital Bits (http://thedigitalbits.com)

Interesting indeed. You've gotta assume there'd be more than 30 extra seconds and a trailer on there though, or at least I hope. I'll post if I ever find the 2001 info.

if you're still interested in digging around for it, I believe it is a one line blurb buried in something related to the latest Dr. Strangelove re-release.

Originally posted by Grubert


The R2 release of The Shining contains the shorter cut. [/B]

Oh, I know, I'd just always rather have a R1 release than a R2 if everything else is equal.

Also, every time I bid on the R2 on E-bay, it gets too pricey. I'm curious, but I don't care *that* much. I'm waiting for a lull when I can grab it for about ten bucks with shipping.

The laserdisc of Lolita was the same aspect ratio as the DVD... 1.66:1. I don't think it was supposed to rotate like Strangelove's.

I meant the Criterion LD (with Kubrick's approved transfer), not the other one.

Killer's Kiss is able to circulate because Kubrick didn't control the rights(and his estate doesn't now). He owned/they own the shorts and Fear and Desire outright, I believe.

I'm personally not too interested in seeing Fear and Desire. Killer's Kiss is pretty bad, with one interesting scene. I think Kubrick had an honest self-critic inside, and didn't ignore them for Lucas-like reasons, but because they really are pretty bad movies.

I'm personally not too interested in seeing Fear and Desire. Killer's Kiss is pretty bad, with one interesting scene. I think Kubrick had an honest self-critic inside, and didn't ignore them for Lucas-like reasons, but because they really are pretty bad movies.

'Fear and Desire' is a bad movie; it's not even especially well-directed, though it's hard to be *sure* since it's a low-generation bootleg. I'd give it the benefit of the doubt on that, and there are a few moments of raw genius from what I remember. But, mostly, it's bad.

'Killer's Kiss' I remember thinking was a terrible script but pretty well-directed, and did what he set out to do with it. But, yeah, as a movie, it doesn't do much.

Then again, Kubrick also thought parts of 'Paths of Glory' were amateurish, so I think he tended to be overly hard on his own work.

Bump. So I was watching Lolita and thought....I would really love some special edition Kubrick titles...then i started looking around...and found this info...

Warner confirmed new 2001 and other Kubrick SE back in the March HTF Chat, since then its been pretty quiet... But I read this at the HTF and thought you guys & Gals would want to know...

Malcolm McDowell gave a 2hr talk in Melbourne last week (at the launch of the ACMI Stanley Kubrick exhibition) and spoke at length about his career. He did throw some hints to the audience that should be of interest to folks on this board. McDowell mentioned how he had been trying to get Lindsay Anderson's IF - among other titles from his back catalogue - onto DVD with a commentary by him, but had no luck until a recent oneoff screening organised by Jay Roach led to the studio that currently owns IF contacting him. McDowell bemoaned the difficulties in pursuading various studios to release certain older films, and mentioned a recent illustrative story. McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie (no prizes for guessing which one) and responded that he would record a commentary for THAT film only if the studio would agree to let him record a commentary for a certain Lindsay Anderson film - made two years later - that he remains very fond of. The studio agreed. McDowell has recorded both commentaries. Both titles should be coming out next year.

McDowell's talk was a good one, and fans of his work should enjoy the above news if true.

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Also a list of movie specifinc, and Kubrick threads worth looking at


Any news on "2001: A Space Odyssey" rerelease? (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=426991&highlight=kubrick)

Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures Documentary (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=405665&highlight=kubrick)

Full Metal jacket & A Clockwork Orange ?'s (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=404917&highlight=kubrick) <---discussion on Kubrick aspect ratios

Dr. Strangelove aspect ratio/anamorphic question (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=399764&highlight=kubrick)

Dr. Strangelove: SE (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=393044&highlight=kubrick)

2-disc Dr. Strangelove in the works (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=380136&highlight=kubrick)

New Eyes Wide Shut DVD? (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=367890&highlight=kubrick)

The Stanley Kubrick Archives (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=427547&highlight=kubrick) <--- BOOK TALK. This went a long way to debunk the Aspect Ratio Issues, Everyone should buy a copy.

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I have heard that they will be putting both Widescreen and open matte aspect ratios on the disc that their is confusion on.

McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie

:thumbsup:

A Malcolm McDowell commentary on A Clockwork Orange? Wow...short of a Kubrick commentary, that's about the best news for this release. It's very exciting to think that we might finally get some (significant) special features on the Warner Bros. Kubrick titles.

I only hope that Mr. McDowell wasn't making the same mistake that some actors/crew members tend to do and confuse "commentary" with "interview." An example off the top of my head would be when Natalie Portman said that she had done "commentary" for Leon: The Professional, when it was really just an interview (unless there was some actual commentary that she had done which was unused/removed).

McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie

I pray he didn't have a cameo in Eyes Wide Shut.

I just hope that the box set price is a bit more affordable than the last incarnation...somehing around hitchcock signature set pricing...

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The R2 release of The Shining contains the shorter cut.Which is better than the American cut, in my opinion, if only for the omission of the "skeletons in the lobby" scene. :)

Which is better than the American cut, in my opinion, if only for the omission of the "skeletons in the lobby" scene. :)

Well, I suppose it's good someone took that opinion home...otherwise, it'd be all alone out in the cold...

Found this on the Home Theater Forum. Just to add a bit more fuel to the rumour.

Quote from HTF

Malcolm McDowell gave a 2hr talk in Melbourne last week (at the launch of the ACMI Stanley Kubrick exhibition) and spoke at length about his career. He did throw some hints to the audience that should be of interest to folks on this board. McDowell mentioned how he had been trying to get Lindsay Anderson's IF - among other titles from his back catalogue - onto DVD with a commentary by him, but had no luck until a recent oneoff screening organised by Jay Roach led to the studio that currently owns IF contacting him. McDowell bemoaned the difficulties in pursuading various studios to release certain older films, and mentioned a recent illustrative story. McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie (no prizes for guessing which one) and responded that he would record a commentary for THAT film only if the studio would agree to let him record a commentary for a certain Lindsay Anderson film - made two years later - that he remains very fond of. The studio agreed. McDowell has recorded both commentaries. Both titles should be coming out next year.

Link to original thread... HTF (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247048&highlight=mcdowell)

Found this quote from earlier in this thread, thought it might add some fuel to the fuel tank...

Malcolm McDowell gave a 2hr talk in Melbourne last week (at the launch of the ACMI Stanley Kubrick exhibition) and spoke at length about his career. He did throw some hints to the audience that should be of interest to folks on this board. McDowell mentioned how he had been trying to get Lindsay Anderson's IF - among other titles from his back catalogue - onto DVD with a commentary by him, but had no luck until a recent oneoff screening organised by Jay Roach led to the studio that currently owns IF contacting him. McDowell bemoaned the difficulties in pursuading various studios to release certain older films, and mentioned a recent illustrative story. McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie (no prizes for guessing which one) and responded that he would record a commentary for THAT film only if the studio would agree to let him record a commentary for a certain Lindsay Anderson film - made two years later - that he remains very fond of. The studio agreed. McDowell has recorded both commentaries. Both titles should be coming out next year.

D-oh -rolleyes-

rotfl

we need a learn to read smiley.

I really hope it's anamorphic this time.

McDowell did do a commentary for Time After Time, so my guess is that he was indeed talking about a commentary.

^ i have a feeling they will put both aspect ratios on these. It seems the only way to please everyone...and it is still not been set in stone that they are supposed to be displayed open matte

A good 4:3 open matte version is just fine if you have a non-anamorphic zoom mode in your player or TV. You can simply use the zoom to crop to 1.78:1 or so, quite close to the theatrical 1.85 ratio. For those with widescreen TVs.

^ i have a feeling they will put both aspect ratios on these. It seems the only way to please everyone...and it is still not been set in stone that they are supposed to be displayed open matte


I think the only 3 movies that are currently presented on dvd in open matte format (whereas they were 1.85 or whatever in the theater) are Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, and Eyes Wide Shut. Lolita, A Clockwork Orange, and Barry Lyndon all have aspect rations that are wider than 1.33 but less than 1.78, so the dvds are "widescreen" but they are unfortunately nonanamorphic.

2001 is of course anamorphic......and I'm not sure what the deal is with Dr. Strangelove...... it has a confusing aspect ratio history for me.

A good 4:3 open matte version is just fine if you have a non-anamorphic zoom mode in your player or TV. You can simply use the zoom to crop to 1.78:1 or so, quite close to the theatrical 1.85 ratio. For those with widescreen TVs.

A zoomed non-anamorphic letterbox disc will look like crap in comparison to a true anamorphic transfer.

All depends on the transfer and your equipment, Josh, which you know better than I. It's true that most NA widescreen transfers are cheesy crap that looks like it was copied from a VHS, even on a 20" screen. But a 4:3 that has been redone can look just fine. Some of the movies in question aren't in great shape, anyway, are they? Anamorphic can't change film noise, etc.

Kubrick was a short-sighted idiot when it came to home video, though. If he was halfway practical, this wouldn't even be an issue.

These dvd's do contain the films in their OTAR's. You can simply obscure the top and bottom parts, which is exactly what was done in theaters....

The difference in resolution simply doesn't amount to that much difference in quality.

rotfl

I don't know what you're watching your anamorphic DVDs on, but I can see a huge difference between an anamorphic transfer vs non anamorphic one. Obviously, the bigger your screen, the bigger the difference will be.

I've been waiting for a very long time to get OTAR versions of these on DVD that are anamorphically enhaced.

Will Dr. Strangelove get another rerelease since they just came out with one not too long ago? Or will they just put the current 2 disc set in with the rest of them in the box set?

Will Dr. Strangelove get another rerelease since they just came out with one not too long ago? Or will they just put the current 2 disc set in with the rest of them in the box set?

Strangelove is owned by Sony/Columbia TriStar. That movie was included in the last Kubrick box set due to a cross-licensing arrangement with Warner. I doubt Sony has plans for any new DVD release of the movie, and I also doubt that Warner would license the existing disc from them again.

and I also doubt that Warner would license the existing disc from them again.

Why?

All depends on the transfer and your equipment, Josh, which you know better than I. It's true that most NA widescreen transfers are cheesy crap that looks like it was copied from a VHS, even on a 20" screen. But a 4:3 that has been redone can look just fine.

Although it's true that some non-anamorphic discs look better than others, and some can be very watchable when zoomed to fill a 16:9 screen, all else being equal a zoomed 4:3 disc will always look inferior to a true anamorphic transfer. An anamorphic transfer has 33% more vertical resolution.

Some of the movies in question aren't in great shape, anyway, are they? Anamorphic can't change film noise, etc.

Warner remastered most of Kubrick's catalog in 2000 to clean up dirt and noise. The "Remastered" DVDs look substantially better than the original 1997 releases, but unfortunately were all transferred as 4:3 (except for 2001: a space odyssey).

Why?

Because there's really nothing in it for them, is there? Besides, if they're going to remaster all of the other movies, they can't very well include one disc that is exactly the same as before.

from Jaun C at HTF

The Stanley Kubrick Archives, page 452:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v139/mayorgrubert/shining.jpg

Note the faded red marker frame labeled "1-1.85", and the indication top right:

THE FRAME IS EXACTLY 1-1.85
Obviously you compose for that
but protect the full 1-1.33 area.


Kinda gives a new perspective, doesn't it?

Because there's really nothing in it for them, is there? Besides, if they're going to remaster all of the other movies, they can't very well include one disc that is exactly the same as before.

Well, it helps Warner make the boxset more attractive by bringing in Kubrick fans through a different genre (as nothing else in the Warner box would really qualify as comedy to most purchasers, I'd venture to guess - at least, it gets more accolades than Lolita typically does when critics put together lists of the best comedies). That said, the Strangelove SE was already available separately for a few months when the last remastered Warner box came out, and the 40th Anniversary Superbit disc hasn't been part of a box yet (so it would be remastered as compared to the previous box), so I'd say there's quite a bit of potential for its inclusion in a box. If Warner found it to be worthwhile before, I wouldn't be surprised if they found it to be so once again.

DJ

Cameron, that pic is awesome! Thanks for reposting it here.

It's my pleasure, Josh (and Cameron). Yes, I posted that picture (check the pic URL)... and it's Juan, not Jaun. ;)

I had this pic for quite a while but I didn't post it anywhere lest I be accused of flogging a dead horse. But now that hi-def DVD is coming, I think we should raise this issue, because I'm afraid we could end up with HD Shining on pillarboxed 4:3.

Well, it helps Warner make the boxset more attractive by bringing in Kubrick fans through a different genre (as nothing else in the Warner box would really qualify as comedy to most purchasers, I'd venture to guess - at least, it gets more accolades than Lolita typically does when critics put together lists of the best comedies). That said, the Strangelove SE was already available separately for a few months when the last remastered Warner box came out, and the 40th Anniversary Superbit disc hasn't been part of a box yet (so it would be remastered as compared to the previous box), so I'd say there's quite a bit of potential for its inclusion in a box. If Warner found it to be worthwhile before, I wouldn't be surprised if they found it to be so once again.

DJ

I agree 100%.

apologies on the name. And thank you again for sharing it. I have thumbed over that book frequently in the book store, but want to add it to the library. Steep price tag keeps me down.

It's my pleasure, Josh (and Cameron). Yes, I posted that picture (check the pic URL)... and it's Juan, not Jaun. ;)

I had this pic for quite a while but I didn't post it anywhere lest I be accused of flogging a dead horse. But now that hi-def DVD is coming, I think we should raise this issue, because I'm afraid we could end up with HD Shining on pillarboxed 4:3.
I can see merits to both framing aspects for the shot above. I think I'm actually further undecided. Obviously he knew the movies were going to be theatrically shown widescreen, but he was clearly thinking about FF as well. It is very interesting nonetheless, so thanks much for the great contribution.

Is it just me, or do certain scenes in the remastered Full Metal Jacket look "funny." It doesn't look like a movie shot in 4x3 for 4x3 like we were told Kubrick's intention was by his apprentice that did the remastering. It looks like a 16x9 squished for a 4x3 TV.

Is it just me, or do certain scenes in the remastered Full Metal Jacket look "funny." It doesn't look like a movie shot in 4x3 for 4x3 like we were told Kubrick's intention was by his apprentice that did the remastering. It looks like a 16x9 squished for a 4x3 TV.

It's not squished, it's just the shots have way too much headroom. The movie is clearly not composed for 4:3. A close-up of a human face should position the eyes 2/3 of the way up from the bottom of the frame. The movie looks like that when properly matted, but full-frame the eyes in such shots are closer to the center of the screen and the shots just don't look right at all.

Here's an old USENET discussion from cinematographer David Mullen (Twin Falls Idaho, Northfork) making the case for Kubrick's movies being better composed for 1.66:1.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video.dvd/browse_frm/thread/bdfe5e8686beec57/ada807fe1673f06c?lnk=st&q=kubrick+%22dead+space%22+group:alt.video.dvd+author:david+author:mullen&rnum=1&hl=en#ada807fe1673f06c

That's absolutely my interpretation. No DP in their right mind would compose the shots in FMJ that way with the knowledge that in the future it would be the only way to view the movie.

I can see merits to both framing aspects for the shot above. I think I'm actually further undecided. Obviously he knew the movies were going to be theatrically shown widescreen, but he was clearly thinking about FF as well. It is very interesting nonetheless, so thanks much for the great contribution.

I think he composed shots for both aspect ratios so that his movies wouldn't be P&S when shown on TV. (A major issue that the P&S version of 2001 on VHS shows painfully well.) However, that would lead to the view that his movies should at least be reframed to 1.78:1 for release on any video format designed for widescreen TVs, such as DVD. In this view, releasing them in 1.33:1 aspect ratio is just plain wrong.

I'm hoping that the new set, if there is one coming out, will have amarays and have a lower price.

The snappers and price have been driving me away from buying the current box.

No doubt the snappers will be gone, and most of these are rumored to be two disc sets if only to house both aspect ratios of the films and its extras.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this post from the HTF:

Malcolm McDowell gave a 2hr talk in Melbourne last week (at the launch of the ACMI Stanley Kubrick exhibition) and spoke at length about his career. He did throw some hints to the audience that should be of interest to folks on this board. McDowell mentioned how he had been trying to get Lindsay Anderson's IF - among other titles from his back catalogue - onto DVD with a commentary by him, but had no luck until a recent oneoff screening organised by Jay Roach led to the studio that currently owns IF contacting him. McDowell bemoaned the difficulties in pursuading various studios to release certain older films, and mentioned a recent illustrative story. McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie (no prizes for guessing which one) and responded that he would record a commentary for THAT film only if the studio would agree to let him record a commentary for a certain Lindsay Anderson film - made two years later - that he remains very fond of. The studio agreed. McDowell has recorded both commentaries. Both titles should be coming out next year.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this post from the HTF:

Check out post #66 (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6614296#post6614296)

You're kidding! ;)

Just watched Eyes Wide Shut again last night and boy does this one need a new transfer. Very grainy but it doesn't look intentionally grainy... just sloppy-- kind of VHS quality. It would be helped tremendously with a better transfer AND anamorphic enhancement.

I didn't pick up the first collection precisely because it didn't contain the OTAR of FMJ, EWS and the Shining. I figured they would be released properly eventually... then I broke down and picked those three up individually when they dropped to < $10.

So, I've been waiting (and will continue to) for a proper box set. Hopefully these rumors are true.

You're kidding! ;)

D'oh!

Just wanted to point out this little nugget from the DVD Talk Forum (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=6614465&postcount=67):

Found this quote from earlier in this thread, thought it might add some fuel to the fuel tank...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron
Malcolm McDowell gave a 2hr talk in Melbourne last week (at the launch of the ACMI Stanley Kubrick exhibition) and spoke at length about his career. He did throw some hints to the audience that should be of interest to folks on this board. McDowell mentioned how he had been trying to get Lindsay Anderson's IF - among other titles from his back catalogue - onto DVD with a commentary by him, but had no luck until a recent oneoff screening organised by Jay Roach led to the studio that currently owns IF contacting him. McDowell bemoaned the difficulties in pursuading various studios to release certain older films, and mentioned a recent illustrative story. McDowell was contacted more recently to record a commentary for a particular Stanley Kubrick movie (no prizes for guessing which one) and responded that he would record a commentary for THAT film only if the studio would agree to let him record a commentary for a certain Lindsay Anderson film - made two years later - that he remains very fond of. The studio agreed. McDowell has recorded both commentaries. Both titles should be coming out next year.

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Would it be safe to go ahead and buy Paths of Glory and The Killing or are there plans to rerelease those films as well even though they aren't in the original box set?

Would it be safe to go ahead and buy Paths of Glory and The Killing or are there plans to rerelease those films as well even though they aren't in the original box set?

It seems very unlikely that MGM (now part of Sony) will be re-releasing those titles any time soon. Same thing goes for Killer's Kiss. Even though Sony now controls the titles, and Sony did have one title in the previous boxset, there's probably not much that could be done with the titles that would be likely to warrant Sony putting money into them. The transfers are all 4x3, and are likely to stay that way. There also probably isn't much in the way of supplementary material for any of the titles, either. Even if all of them could likely benefit from fresh 2005 transfers, I'd guess that Sony wouldn't deem that as a being a worthwhile investment for a DVD re-release.

DJ

Can someone tell me why the remastered Clockwork Orange is not anamorphic?

Can someone tell me why the remastered Clockwork Orange is not anamorphic?

Because Warner does not do anamorphic transfers for films with 1.66:1 ARs (and I think Clockwork is actually closer to 1.5:1 or so).

DJ

The transfers are all 4x3, and are likely to stay that way.
DJ

That is the OAR for those films. Why would they change it.

Because Warner does not do anamorphic transfers for films with 1.66:1 ARs (and I think Clockwork is actually closer to 1.5:1 or so).

DJ

Have they offered an explanation? I really wish this disc was anamorphic.

The original "A Clockwork Orange" was barely matted.

The remastered version is exactly 1.66:1.

from the bits

Look for 4 new Stanley Kubrick SEs including 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), A Clockwork Orange (1971), The Shining (1980) and the original unrated version Eyes Wide Shut (1999). Each will include new documentaries and never-before-seen footage blessed by the Kubrick Estate (although don't look for deleted scenes - Stanley himself never wanted them released).

so there will not be a new boxset? just single releases?

From DVDexclusive

Other planned 2006 day and date HD DVD and standard DVD releases are two-disc special editions of Forbidden Planet and four Stanley Kubrick directed classics: The Shining, Clockwork Orange, 2001: Space Odyssey and an uncut version of Eyes Wide Shut.

It looks like they are single releases.

Also from the same article:

At an afternoon event highlighting its 2006 catalog slate, Warner revealed that the first such day and date release, set for June, is a two-disc special edition of John Wayne western The Searchers. Between $600,000 and $700,000 was invested in the film’s restoration.

Further films set for two-disc special editions in 2006 include What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?, Mutiny on the Bounty and The Maltese Falcon. New to DVD films include The Gay Divorcee, Footlight Parade, Grand Prix and Knute Rockne All American.

whole story here: http://www.dvdexclusive.com/article.asp?articleID=2693

I suppose if a fully kick-ass set came out, with extras, I would buy a new set. I may have to take out a loan to do it, but I'd pick it up.

i think there will be another set with all 4 of those two discers, plus the other films warner owns in a single disc keepcase incarnation. Lolita, barry lyndon, etc. Probably new transfers, but not much in the way of special features

Please be widescreen releases this time. Pretty please.

from the bits
Each will include new documentaries and never-before-seen footage blessed by the Kubrick Estate (although don't look for deleted scenes - Stanley himself never wanted them released).

Never-before-seen footage not being Deleted Scenes? What would these scenes be, then?

Never-before-seen footage not being Deleted Scenes? What would these scenes be, then?

No one said "scenes." It's probably behind the scenes footage.

Please be widescreen releases this time. Pretty please.

You're not even gonna get that "with sugar on top". The DVD's present Kubrick's wishes and those wishes were essentially cemented when he died. His estate is VERY protective of his wishes and specifications so you'll probably see the original versions of the "Star Wars" films before you ever see Kubrick's films in different aspect ratios than they are currently available in.

Never-before-seen footage not being Deleted Scenes? What would these scenes be, then?

They could be raw takes without edits. (Just as a for instance, Harvey Keitel and/or Jennifer Jason Leigh takes from 'Eyes Wide Shut'.)

Even though Sony now controls the titles, and Sony did have one title in the previous boxset, there's probably not much that could be done with the titles that would be likely to warrant Sony putting money into them.

I just saw a theatrical showing of 'Paths of Glory', and it looked like the picture was cleaner than the DVD, but the sound was *horrible* and could definitely be cleaned up (probably wouldn't need to spend too much on it).

I'm surprised they haven't done their own smaller Kubrick box, especially if they also own 'Strangelove'.

They could be raw takes without edits. (Just as a for instance, Harvey Keitel and/or Jennifer Jason Leigh takes from 'Eyes Wide Shut'.)


Just what I was thinking

You're not even gonna get that "with sugar on top". The DVD's present Kubrick's wishes and those wishes were essentially cemented when he died. His estate is VERY protective of his wishes and specifications so you'll probably see the original versions of the "Star Wars" films before you ever see Kubrick's films in different aspect ratios than they are currently available in.


not exactly...go back to post 82 and read on

from Jaun C at HTF

The Stanley Kubrick Archives, page 452:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v139/mayorgrubert/shining.jpg

Note the faded red marker frame labeled "1-1.85", and the indication top right:

THE FRAME IS EXACTLY 1-1.85
Obviously you compose for that
but protect the full 1-1.33 area.


Kinda gives a new perspective, doesn't it?


The archives are opening conversations on this. I have a feeling, we may see both aspect ratios, and possibly some specific commentary on the merits of each.

The archives are opening conversations on this. I have a feeling, we may see both aspect ratios, and possibly some specific commentary on the merits of each.

Please be right! I can't stand this nit-picky annoying debate every time a Kubrick thread pops up!

The DVD's present Kubrick's wishes and those wishes were essentially cemented when he died. His estate is VERY protective of his wishes and specifications so you'll probably see the original versions of the "Star Wars" films before you ever see Kubrick's films in different aspect ratios than they are currently available in.

Doesn't the re-release of 'Strangelove' disprove this?

not exactly...go back to post 82 and read on

The archives are opening conversations on this. I have a feeling, we may see both aspect ratios, and possibly some specific commentary on the merits of each.
[Mr. Burns]Excellent....[/Mr. Burns]

Sounds like a plan ... now, why would they do single releases alone? :hscratch: I agree with doing both, since I will pick up Eyes Wide Shut and A Clockwork Orange, but still... that's a great way to work others into buying the set if they are buying the majority.

Ain't It Cool News, in its article on the recent Warner announcements, indicated this:

"So this year, they’re putting out four new Kubrick special editions, part of a new collection, starting with 2001, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, THE SHINING, and for the first time on American DVD, the full uncensored EYES WIDE SHUT."

What I read in that is that there will actually be a new Kubrick box set, but only 2001, Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut will have new features, and the others will likely be repackaged/remastered and put into a full box set.

I really hope this issue is cleared up at the HTF Warner chat, as I'm still holding out hope that they'll at least do something for Full Metal Jacket and Barry Lyndon (even if it's just the choice of anamorphic widescreen/full frame for FMJ and anamorphic 1.66 for Barry Lyndon and keepcases for both). While Barry Lyndon probably isn't a big seller, I would imagine that Full Metal Jacket is pretty popular (no less so than Eyes Wide Shut, I would imagine).

Obviously, the ideal would be two-disc sets for each movie (with varied aspect ratios and anamorphic where appropriate), but I at least hope for something with regards to FMJ and BL.

But then, I suppose the Blu Ray/HD-DVD version will inevitably have to be repackaged/remastered, so....

But then, I suppose the Blu Ray/HD-DVD version will inevitably have to be repackaged/remastered, so....


Other planned 2006 <b>day and date HD DVD</b> and standard DVD releases are two-disc special editions of Forbidden Planet and four Stanley Kubrick directed classics: The Shining, Clockwork Orange, 2001: Space Odyssey and an uncut version of Eyes Wide Shut.

This is what really has my interest peaked... If these titles are indeed "launch" titles for HD-DVD, well, then... It looks like I might be an early adopter. 90% of my collection I won't bother to upgrade, but if (at least 4 - and I would prefer ALL) the WB Kubrick titles are coming in HD in 2006... I guess I'm in.

As for the transfers... I'm going out on a limb here but if they are indeed HD-DVD... Well, anamorphic widescreen should be a lock, no? Really looking forward to the HTF WB chat to clear some of this up.

This is what really has my interest peaked... If these titles are indeed "launch" titles for HD-DVD, well, then... It looks like I might be an early adopter. 90% of my collection I won't bother to upgrade, but if (at least 4 - and I would prefer ALL) the WB Kubrick titles are coming in HD in 2006... I guess I'm in.


I must say, this is the only time I have ever even remotely given a thought to adopting the new format. But really just a brain burb is all. By the way, Johnny, it's "piqued" not "peaked."

I must say, this is the only time I have ever even remotely given a thought to adopting the new format. But really just a brain burb is all. By the way, Johnny, it's "piqued" not "peaked."

:lol: Hey man, it's my trip, I'll peak when and where I feel like it... :p

I'll rebuy these if the current full-frame releases stay that way. Even though I can't see The Shining looking much better than it already does.

Obviously, the ideal would be two-disc sets for each movie (with varied aspect ratios and anamorphic where appropriate), but I at least hope for something with regards to FMJ and BL.

I'm hoping they put 'Lolita' out in the original aspect ratio.

I think it's pretty clear from some of the horrible composition in the unmatted FMJ that the intention was never to release it in that manner.

The films received better transfers in 2001 after Kubrick's death but the earlier DVD releases used laserdisc transfers that were created to Kubrick's specifications while he was still alive. I understand why people want his films in their OAR but the simple fact of the matter is this: Kubrick decided to release them with modified aspect ratios while he was still alive and his estate will undoubtedly insist that the aspect ratios remain as they are.

:lol: Hey man, it's my trip, I'll peak when and where I feel like it... :p

:lol: Yes, Johnny... I'm sure you will ;)

As for my 2 cents on the aspect ratio issue, many people believe many different things about what was intended, not to mention what personal preferences maybe for the framing of movies on DVD. Personally, all of these movies are masterpieces, and I've enjoyed many of them repeatedly, never breaking away from being absorbed in the film (including the super long ones) to grumble about the framing of the picture. Heck, I'm used to going to theaters and seeing films inappropriately framed, which does stress me sometimes, but I don't stress the DVDs.

Anyway, what I really want to see are up-dates on the contents and release dates of these new DVDs. That's what I would like to see on this thread, not the same old, redundant Kubrick aspect ratio debate. -rolleyes-

So, when we get HD versions they're going to reformat the films from the theatrical release ratio to fit the the shape most television screens had at the time Kubrick died?

As for the transfers... I'm going out on a limb here but if they are indeed HD-DVD... Well, anamorphic widescreen should be a lock, no?

Not necessarily. You can pillarbox a 4:3 image inside the 16:9 HD-DVD frame.

"So, when we get HD versions they're going to reformat the films from the theatrical release ratio to fit the the shape most television screens had at the time Kubrick died?" -Mammal

That says it all.

warner just confirmed on the chat that the shining and eyes wide shut will be 16X9 and TCO will be pillarboxed for Widescreen

Has a release date been announced?

nope

again, nobody asked if they will be released in one boxset or not..

Robert Crawford over at HTF just spilled the beans on some release dates, etc.

Expect the Stanley Kubrick SE dvds on September 6th, they will not be in a box set.

so no new boxset?
What other titles can we expect other than; EWS, The shinning, FMJ and 2001?

after that you will see a second wave of Barry Lyndon, Lolita, and A Life in Pictures. Odd that they are not upgrading them all at once and making a box....

after that you will see a second wave of Barry Lyndon, Lolita, and A Life in Pictures. Odd that they are not upgrading them all at once and making a box....

Yeah, I really hope Barry Lyndon gets the treatment it deserves. One of my favorites.

Not to mention Full Metal Jacket.

Not to mention Full Metal Jacket.

Wasn't there something about an HD release of FMJ this year? Are they not going to do a special edition for DVD at the same time?

According to various sources, including WB reps at the HTF chat-

ALL of Kubricks WB films will be getting WS Anamorphic treatment-even the 1.66 films, such as Clockwork and Lolita-and as for precedence-Columbia already has released a great 16:9 version of STRANGELOVE-and the world didnt come to an end.
And of course, an uncensored, 16:9 EWS is coming!

And as for the photo that had THE SHININGs on-set camera monitor clearly marked as "save for 1:85" there goes the urban legend that SK only wanted his films foolscreen-he merely kept an eye out for a 1:33 safe area in his compositions, for eventual showing on TV-Home theater had not advanced enough for the ill and reclusive SK to get into the nitty gritty of home theater and DVD-no doubt he would have approved the BEST possible presentation for todays home viewing.
At any rate, THEYRE COMING!

ummmm....thats what we have been talking about all week.....

Well, to be fair I hadn't heard any confirmation that all of the films were getting the anamorphic treatment. So I think his post was a success. :)

And as for the photo that had THE SHININGs on-set camera monitor clearly marked as "save for 1:85" Actually, it was even better -- it said "obviously you compose for [1.85:1]".

NOOO!!! These are being released on HD-DVD??? And you need a HD-DVD player to play them. I don't plan on getting one anytime soon. Wow, I expected them to just be released on the traditional format. Now I'm pissed!

They ARE being released on standard dvd....sheesh.

Canaryfarmer,
Good!! I was being told that they were being released on HD-DVD

Are you sure, though? On the HD talk forum, there is a list of release dates and the shining is on there. Being released in HD

simulatnious releases perhaps....think of it this way, HD/Blu-ray as cool as they are in no way have the initial financial impact that standard dvd has/will have for a long time to come. Lets just say that 100 Kubrick fans have standard dvd players. Out of that same 100 only say 4 of them own a HD/BR player. Why would warner only try to sell to 4 people when they can sell to 100.

I see hd/BR as a partner with dvd, much laserdisc to vhs. While many cinephiles and videophiles crave the new equipment (and can afford it) The mainstay american family doesn't need it, want it, or care about it. But this is for another thread....not the Kubrick one

rest assured that these dvds will be available on standard dvd.

Cameron, thanks for the info. Now I can sleep easier tonight, since I was worried I wouldn't be able to get the SE Shining. :)

I don't guess any new info has been revealed about these releases?

FMJ may indeed be on it's way in widescreen. Yesterday at around 3am it was on HBOHD! I was dead tired and only saw about 3 minutes though.

Looks like I'll be deleting the current Kubrick box set from my DDD sale cart.

In other Kubrick related new (well, sort of), György Ligeti has died at the age of 83.

I've also uploaded this snippit of Kubrick interview at the opening of 2001, I haven't seen it anywhere else before so I'd thought you might find it interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/?v=ihjfZAza4ho

FMJ may indeed be on it's way in widescreen. Yesterday at around 3am it was on HBOHD! I was dead tired and only saw about 3 minutes though.

I saw some of it last week. It was a really bad transfer(possibly upconverted instead of true HD) and the audio was 2.0. I think it's safe to assume the recent HD-DVD release is vastly superior.

In other Kubrick related new (well, sort of), György Ligeti has died at the age of 83.


That sucks... I was hoping to hear some more of his new music.

In other Kubrick related new (well, sort of), György Ligeti has died at the age of 83.

Oh my god, that's awful. He's one of my favorite composers. R.I.P. Mr. Ligeti, you won't be forgotten.

RIP, Maestro Ligeti.

wergo, do you have any respects to pay?

(Wergo was the record label on which music like Ligeti's Lontano was released for years.)

yah, i was a bit suprised that FMJ got a WS HD presentation, but no new standard disc....the HD disc is lackluster to say the least in the special features department...hopefully some good stuff is on the way.

Has anyone seen news or artwork on these releases?

Is the date still 9/6?

Is the date still 9/6?


It's not been officially announced.

But it is rumored.

Robert Crawford over at HTF just spilled the beans on some release dates, etc.

Expect the Stanley Kubrick SE dvds on September 6th, they will not be in a box set.

Isn't September 6th a Wednesday this year? Since when are DVD's released on a Wednesday? (I know there have been a few Friday releases in the past)

looks like this is turning out to be a dud

looks like this is turning out to be a dud

Do elaborate... are you saying it won't come out or the release date is incorrect? I noticed your "New Release" list is back (it's a welcome sight). Does that mean you are back at Suncoast (I read FYE will still maintain the brand, as it has some integrity among movie shoppers)? I imagine you might have some insight as to a more accurate release date for this considering your connects.

It is still coming, but September doesn't look like will hold. I have parted ways with Suncoast, though do retain some friendships within the company. Most of my trade info comes from talking with owners of respectable sites and magazines, as well as people working inside the studios.

Everyone i have looked for answers with has come up short. Robert Crawford seemingly has a great working relationship with Warners, and nothing is coming from that camp. That is where the date originated and nothing has supported that.

The only thinking i can see behind it, is that they may have decided to hold out for a more complete box set. Warner has done a bang up job with there signature sets, and if they hold out a bit longer for that, then it's ok with me.

Most of the Warner owned Kubrick titles have reached the status that merit a multiple disc set. 2001, is arguably just as important as Wizard of Oz, Gone With THe Wind, or THe Searchers...all of which have been presented with deluxe presentations.

Again this is all only speculation, but things are seemingly hush hush around the camp fire.

2001, is arguably just as important as Wizard of Oz, Gone With THe Wind, or THe Searchers...

Arguably???

;)

Arguably???

;)

Hey, if you can't argue in an Internet forum, where can you argue?

;)

Region 2 is rumored to recieve SE of the Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut on Nov 6th, according to the regional spy at davisdvd.com. Hopefully the Region 1 releases will be on the same date.

http://www.davisdvd.com/news/spy.html

Region 2 is rumored to recieve SE of the Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut on Nov 6th, according to the regional spy at davisdvd.com. Hopefully the Region 1 releases will be on the same date.

http://www.davisdvd.com/news/spy.html

Interesting news. Hopefully they just forgot to add 2001 to the list. :)

So is there any new news on the Shining special edition.

I haven't yet watched the HDNet airing of 'The Shining' but oh.. my.. god - the HiDef transfers of '2001' and 'A Clockwork Orange' look great - just throw us a bone and release the eventual SE on HD-DVD as well.

Cool, Giles!

I haven't yet watched the HDNet airing of 'The Shining' but oh.. my.. god - the HiDef transfers of '2001' and 'A Clockwork Orange' look great - just throw us a bone and release the eventual SE on HD-DVD as well.
Sweet. Can't wait for the announcement!

Yes the HDNet airing of 2001 was just spectacular. It was probably the best HD presentation of any movie I've seen on a cable channel.

I haven't yet watched the HDNet airing of 'The Shining' but oh.. my.. god - the HiDef transfers of '2001' and 'A Clockwork Orange' look great - just throw us a bone and release the eventual SE on HD-DVD as well.

I saw the HDNet airings of both The Shining and A Clockwork Orange (played back-to-back last weekend), and they both looked absolutely fantastic. Even though I'm not planning on diving into HD-DVD or BluRay anytime soon,...I'm excited about the potential here.

My HD-DVR currently has Blade Runner, FMJ, Clockwork, 2001 and The Shining crowding it. Not giving any of those up any time soon. :)

Man, I watched The Shining last night, and WOWSAH, I was amazed. It was broabcast at 17Mbps, which is unusually high, so that helps. I hope there's a box set of these on HD-DVD sometime soon!

Interesting news. Hopefully they just forgot to add 2001 to the list. :)

Warner often releases in multiple regions on/around same date...it would be great to have these before Xmas

I guess we can officially lay rest to the Sept. release rumors.

yah and with the R2 disc coming early November its starting to look bleak....warner has not yet release all of the november titles, and still have their entire december slate in hiding...heres to hoping

pity

I want the Shining SE! :sad:

I want the Shining SE! :sad:

I want the [Insert Name of any Kubrick movie] SE.

Hm.. Was wondering why the box set is suddenly OOP and this topic hath giveth, but it also taketh away (no other movies). Might still pick up that box set if I can find it, and the two disc editions. Honestly, I havent even seen 2001 yet or a few other Kubrick films.

And when going back
"You're not even gonna get that "with sugar on top". The DVD's present Kubrick's wishes and those wishes were essentially cemented when he died. His estate is VERY protective of his wishes and specifications so you'll probably see the original versions of the "Star Wars" films before you ever see Kubrick's films in different aspect ratios than they are currently available in."

Made me laugh.

His estate is VERY protective of his wishes and specifications

Then they better brush up on the Kubrick Archive book...

The are notes on the theatrical OAR of films in there including The Shinning which should at least be 1.66, if not 1.85.

fitprod

If you think they're coming out this year, add on another 365 days.

Wasn't "The Shinning" from The Simpsons..?!?!

;)

Wasn't "The Shinning" from The Simpsons..?!?!

;)
Shhh!!! You wanna get sued?!

In a completely appropriate response...

"DOH!"

fitprod

So, any word on these?

Are they indefinitely delayed? *hopes they want to cash in on holiday sales*

I learned my lesson with The Shining. Do not sell the previous DVD until the new release is officially announced.

So, any word on these?

Are they indefinitely delayed? *hopes they want to cash in on holiday sales*

at this point, its looking like Feb-March at the earliest...and no way to be sure about it then...we may have another Warner chat before we have these disc

My HD-DVR currently has Blade Runner, FMJ, Clockwork, 2001 and The Shining crowding it. Not giving any of those up any time soon. :)

my DV-R aint' gonna be happy when it tapes the three hour Barry Lyndon in HiDef on the 28th of October.

Did you people not see my response not too many posts up?

I only sold-off The Shining and A Clockwork Orange so far. I'll probably go ahead and sell Full Metal Jacket too. I'd just assume ditch any and all non-OAR fullscreen DVD's anyway, and ACO is non-anamorphic, so I don't miss that one much either. 2001, however, I'm not letting go of until I actually see the new DVD on retail shelves.

I've kept all my existing discs. I may even keep the 4:3 ones to compare to the OAR discs. But I will have no need for the nonanamorphic 1.66:1 discs.

You guys float the terms "OAR" and "non-OAR" as though you've settled the matter. Hardly. And you won't. Thumbing through old production materials is like cherrypicking Bible verses - any half-smart individual can rationalize both sides of the argument.

So, if the truth here is likewise ineffable, we should simply acknowledge and hope for the the simplest solution: release those titles with arguable aspect ratios in both Academy ratio and (IMO) 1.78:1 (I:85:1, if you prefer).

After all, we get full-frame and wide-screen transfers on any number of titles where the artistry of the framing isn't prone to the rancorous debates that have arisen around "The Shining" and "FMJ" and "EWS". So, why not for Kubrick's films?

Yes, that's what I would prefer for the ones where the OAR is still in question: fullscreen version on one disc, widescreen on the other. I just didn't feel like going into semantics in my post. Basically The Shining, Full Metal Jacket and A Clockwork Orange DVD's are all lacking to me, so I have no issue with ditching those now even if the new releases end up taking another year. 2001: A Space Odyssey is pretty solid, so I won't let go of that one until a newer, better version actually drops.

Small piece of news from The Digital Bits:

"By the way, a lot of you have been asking what's up with Warner's promised Stanley Kubrick special editions - the ones that we talked about back in January when we attended the studio's 2006 catalog DVD event. I've checked in with Warner reps and have learned that they're definitely still on the way. They're being completely remastered and will have all-new special features. They're now planned for release sometime in 2007... but most of you probably already guessed that. Just know that they're still coming and they should be pretty cool. We'll say more when there's more to say."

The link (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents)

awesome

Good news!

Maybe my theory was right about the Kubrick titles being among the 1080i HD titles that were pulled to do new masters. I think that the poor response to the stairstepping on the HD version of Full Metal Jacket caused them to go back and redo the other titles, since they would have the same issues that FMJ had.

LOL! that's not no news! saying that warner bros. is still working on this isn't a news.another reason to hate the fake ppl behind thedigitalbits.

The question still remains, is Warner Bros. sticking with its original plan to release S.E.s of only 2001, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, THE SHINING and EYES WIDE SHUT, or does this delay bode well for S.E.s of everything from LOLITA forward (sans Columbia's DR. STRANGELOVE, of course, which already has an S.E.)?

I would imagine at this point, there going to prep them all for release in one box set, as opposed to piece by piece like the original plan....it just makes sense. I would imagine we'll get all the titles from the old box set except strangelove

Will they include the uncensored version of Eyes Wide Shut? One would expect them to, but you never know with these people. I also hope they don't tinker around with the aspect ratio.

Will they include the uncensored version of Eyes Wide Shut? One would expect them to, but you never know with these people. I also hope they don't tinker around with the aspect ratio.

Not to mention the extended version or at least deleted scenes from Lolita that appeared on the VHS in 1999 or maybe 2001....

Will they include the uncensored version of Eyes Wide Shut? One would expect them to, but you never know with these people.

According to all information thus released from official sources, that is a 100% certainty, yes. I can't say one way or another on the LOLITA thing, though...

Not to mention I would really like to see the longer American version of The Shining.

Any new news on this? Will full metal jacket get a new treatment also?

no news yet...FMJ has a HD and blu-ray disc out that have a widescreen print...so that will be new to dvd...

no news yet...FMJ has a HD and blu-ray disc out that have a widescreen print...so that will be new to dvd...

It's based on the old (2001) master though. Hopefully they're remastering it along with the other titles.

seems amazon uk is taking preorders for clockwork orange r2 for the first of june. hopefully we will get new editions at the same time.

HTF chat is set up for later this month, and I assume this will be at the top of the order

warner chat is going well, but it seems they have no new info on the Kubrick set, other than to say we won't see it until the xmas season

When will the transcript be up and where at?

HTF and the bits will have it posted in the morning

warner chat is going well, but it seems they have no new info on the Kubrick set, other than to say we won't see it until the xmas season

Thanks for the info, Cam. Nothing on specific titles?

Just bought the Dr. Strangelove 2-Disc via Columbia, I hope it's not going to be included in a possible set revamped.

Also have 2001 and Eyes Wide Shut, but I wouldn't dump them just yet until specs and controversy clears regarding the aspect ratios.

What's wrong with the aspect ratio for 2001?

Thanks for the info, Cam. Nothing on specific titles?


They were pretty tight lipped on the subject. It seems they were working on them to be released last year as individual titles, but I think they have opted to re-do the entire catalog for HD, and at the same time release new SD-DVD titles. They did make it clear that they want all extras across all formats. I have a feeling that Blade Runner will be this years Forbidden planet, and The kubrick films will be this years Superman set. I am confident that any time Warner holds a title back it is because they want to do the best job possible.

BTW, do we know yet which titles are coming? The ones that were rumored were The Shining, 2001, A Clockwork Orange, and Eyes Wide Shut. Do we know yet if they've decided to release the rest of them too?

nothing confirmed at this point. But again, it is my belief that the reason that those 4 were not made available last year was that they are revamping all of the warner owned Kubrick films for a box set.

Even though it's probably his least popular film Barry Lyndon needs to be included. The film would look stunning remastered and especially in HD

Even though it's probably his least popular film Barry Lyndon needs to be included.
Says who? Lyndon is my favorite Kubrick movie after Dr. Strangelove.

I hope whatever they do it includes all of the films from the previous release in new transfers. And yes, we NEED the uncut EYES WIDE SHUT in that package.

I have a feeling that Blade Runner will be this years Forbidden planet, and The kubrick films will be this years Superman set. I am confident that any time Warner holds a title back it is because they want to do the best job possible.

Well if so, let's hope they don't have another packaging fiasco like they did with the supes ultimate set.

Even though it's probably his least popular film Barry Lyndon needs to be included. The film would look stunning remastered and especially in HD

Kubrick is my favorite director and 'Barry Lyndon' is easily my favorite Kubrick film...
It might be less often discussed, but it has plenty of fans.