I am an Angels fan and have really no allegiance in the ALCS, but am I the only one who wants to reach through the screen and choke the fist-pumping Derek Jeter?
chrisih8u
10-19-04, 09:31 AM
You are not alone. But choking isnt really my first option. There isnt enough pain involved. I have thought about this thoroughly. I dont have time to go into the details of my plan, but the torture goes on for several days.
chrisih8u
10-19-04, 09:32 AM
Best thread ever, BTW.
B.A.
10-19-04, 09:35 AM
:lol:
Chris - you have a picture of Derek Jeter on your dart board don't you?
chrisih8u
10-19-04, 09:38 AM
Jeter is far and away my mosted hated person on this entire planet. If some guy beat the shit out of me and raped me, he still wouldnt get up to Jeter status.
Originally posted by Red Dog
C'mon. You know you are simply masking your feelings for that pretty boy.
:mad:
Reported post to moderator!
:p
raven56706
10-19-04, 09:48 AM
Jeter has been pissing me off and i am a yankee fans.... routine double plays are killing him
AndyCapps
10-19-04, 09:52 AM
Maybe Beltran can choke him and sprain himself in the process.
:eek:
B.A.
10-19-04, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by AndyCapps
Maybe Beltran can choke him and sprain himself in the process.
:eek: Maybe he can just severe a tendon in his hand while playing w/ a hunting knife instead.
Demontooth
10-19-04, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by chrisih8u
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Tommy_Harn
10-19-04, 10:35 AM
Jeter doesn't bother me. After the 2000 W.S., he made it a point to applaud the Mets a couple of times for their play in the series (the Mets lost 3 one-run games, and 1 two-run game). I know guys do that every year, but his remarks seemed genuine. That went a long way in my book.
He's also a sick, clutch player. There is no denying it.
A-Rod bothers me a lot more. What a whiney little bitch he is. Plus, I think being a hired gun (A-Rod, Sheffield, Mussina, etc.) is a lot more frustrating for opposing fans than homegrown talent (Jeter, Rivera).
Marco1
10-19-04, 10:44 AM
I am a life long Mets fan so I HATE the Yankees. But man Jeter plays the game the way its supposed to be played. I even bought my two year old son a Jeter Jersey. I stood in the store for fifteen minutes debating whether I should get it or not.
You see someone line Manny Ramirez who is absolute garbage in left field. Why does he even bother to take a glove out on the field. I don't care how many HR's and RBI he has. I wish there was a stat on how many runs he lets in with his disgusting, sloppy, lazy play in the field. I'll take pretty boy Jeter any day on my team.
chrisih8u
10-19-04, 10:46 AM
I dont mind Manny in LF. He has made a few boneheaded plays but he's also make some great catches and he plays the Green Monster well.
Demontooth
10-19-04, 10:54 AM
Manny still doesn't have any RBI's in this series which is hard to believe
DaveNinja
10-19-04, 11:28 AM
Defensive ability is worth a lot less than the runs that will be caused by people like Manny and Ortiz. I'm reading "Moneyball", it amazing seeing baseball in a different way.
wildcatlh
10-19-04, 11:45 AM
Jeter's defensive ability is so greatly overrated it's incredible.
Preacher
10-19-04, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Marco1
I am a life long Mets fan so I HATE the Yankees. But man Jeter plays the game the way its supposed to be played. I even bought my two year old son a Jeter Jersey. I stood in the store for fifteen minutes debating whether I should get it or not.
You see someone line Manny Ramirez who is absolute garbage in left field. Why does he even bother to take a glove out on the field. I don't care how many HR's and RBI he has. I wish there was a stat on how many runs he lets in with his disgusting, sloppy, lazy play in the field. I'll take pretty boy Jeter any day on my team. Very true. Not a Yankees fan. Just appreciate many of the things he brings to the park.
And Manny is so bad in the outfield sometimes it is painful.
Mordred
10-19-04, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by WildcatLH
Jeter's defensive ability is so greatly overrated it's incredible. What? Did you see how quickly he made the tag when Damon tried to steal 2nd last night? That quick tag was JUST as important as the perfect throw Posada made. The tag was a potential game saver!
rotfl Man, Tim McCarver kills me rotfl
El Scorcho
10-19-04, 01:10 PM
I'm not as irritated with Jeter as I am with the national media. They treat him as the baseball jesus. In reality he's just a mediocre hitter (even the clutch thing is arguable) and a sub-par middle infielder.
Perfect example was in 2001 when his relay flip from half-way up the first base line got Giambi home at the plate. First, Giambi's only out because he had no clue how to slide. Second, had Jeter been playing shortstop as it should be played, he would have been nowhere near the first base line. But the national media ignores this because the play just so happened to work out.
And he's *always* the benefit of calls that go his way. Just ask Tony Tarasco. Or what about the 2-3 would-be base-stealers per week during the regular season that get phantom tagged out sliding into 2nd.
That and he tucks his pant legs in. I hate him.
B.A.
10-19-04, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
That and he tucks his pant legs in. I hate him. :lol:
They should all be required to wear their pants like Trot Nixon and Co. :up: You gotta show the socks.
Red Dog
10-19-04, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
I'm not as irritated with Jeter as I am with the national media. They treat him as the baseball jesus. In reality he's just a mediocre hitter (even the clutch thing is arguable) and a sub-par middle infielder.
Perfect example was in 2001 when his relay flip from half-way up the first base line got Giambi home at the plate. First, Giambi's only out because he had no clue how to slide. Second, had Jeter been playing shortstop as it should be played, he would have been nowhere near the first base line. But the national media ignores this because the play just so happened to work out.
And he's *always* the benefit of calls that go his way. Just ask Tony Tarasco. Or what about the 2-3 would-be base-stealers per week during the regular season that get phantom tagged out sliding into 2nd.
That and he tucks his pant legs in. I hate him.
I still don't think Posada tagged Giambi.
El Scorcho
10-19-04, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Red Dog
I still don't think Posada tagged Giambi.
The Yankees don't have to tag players. The ball just has to be somewhere in the vicinity and the umps will call it good.
Red Dog
10-19-04, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
The Yankees don't have to tag players. The ball just has to be somewhere in the vicinity and the umps will call it good.
Ah - that explains Rich Garcia calling the Maier ball a home run.
Let me guess Aphex; you have that as your wallpaper?
Aphex Twin
10-19-04, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by MJKTool
Let me guess Aphex; you have that as your wallpaper?
It was...until I found this:
http://home.comcast.net/~cpt666/kb-fish.gif
MJKTool
10-19-04, 02:40 PM
LOL
El Scorcho
10-19-04, 02:50 PM
well this thread has certainly brought the gay
not that Im surprised, it is a Jeter thread after all
weargle
10-19-04, 02:54 PM
que ghey.
shizawn
10-19-04, 03:10 PM
Yeah it's the enormous hard-on the baseball media has for Jeter that bothers me the most. That play earlier this year when he caught that foul ball and flew into the stands and cut up his face. Had it been any other player, the media wouldn't have treated it as the greatest defensive play ever.*
I don't have any problems with the guy personally.
*I exaggerate, but the point still stands.
Marco1
10-19-04, 03:19 PM
The media does have a love affair with DJ but his play has earned him that. A superstar who plays hard and keeps his nose clean off the field. When he was hitting poorly at the start of the season people were piling on about how overrated he is. He is the only reason to watch the Yankees.
El Scorcho
10-19-04, 03:35 PM
When did someone who averages .315 / 18 / 82 and plays a mediocre SS get deemed a superstar?
Jeter's merely a good player who the media has erroneously deemed a superstar.
DaveNinja
10-19-04, 04:16 PM
Yankees do seem to get the benefit of a higher proportion of 'bad calls' than other teams. The Jeremy Giambi thing still hurts. I bet if the yankees had won last night there would be complaining about the Ortiz miss-called steal.
Marco1
10-19-04, 04:18 PM
Shrewd marketing, all star games, world series rings, biggest city and the most talked about team. Superstar
Personally I don't think he is but you can't deny he hasn't earned his rep by playing the game hard every night.
In game two against the Twins I believe it was, he put Jaque Jones to sleep in right by taking a few steps down the line and then tags up and scores the winning run. I don't see Manny Ramirez and his 308/43/130 ever doing something like that. No stat will ever describe his importance to the yankees, without him they are the Braves of the American League.
Fokker's Feint
10-19-04, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by shizawn
Yeah it's the enormous hard-on the baseball media has for Jeter that bothers me the most. That play earlier this year when he caught that foul ball and flew into the stands and cut up his face. Had it been any other player, the media wouldn't have treated it as the greatest defensive play ever.*
I don't have any problems with the guy personally.
*I exaggerate, but the point still stands.
Word. As much as I really really really want to hate him personally, my rational side (never a good thing for a Sox fan) always reminds me that it's the media's extremely excessive adulation of him that I really hate.
Of course, that has never stopped me from making many a crude remark about his and A-Rod's "private moments" in the trainer's room while their teammates are taking BP.
jmaxlow
10-19-04, 09:30 PM
I don't hate him... but I do hate his hold-the-hand-up-to-the-umpire-while-he-digs-in-because-he-thinks-the-pitcher -is-going-to-quick-pitch-him schtick that he uses EVERY TIME HE STEPS IN THE BOX.
Bushdog
10-19-04, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Demontooth
I am an Angels fan and have really no allegiance in the ALCS, but am I the only one who wants to reach through the screen and choke the fist-pumping Derek Jeter? Yep, nothing trollish about this at all :lol:
Y2K Falcon
10-19-04, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
When did someone who averages .315 / 18 / 82 and plays a mediocre SS get deemed a superstar?
Jeter's merely a good player who the media has erroneously deemed a superstar.
BUT ONE TIME IN THE PLAYOFFS HE DID THIS FLIP THING TO GET A GUY OUT AND ANOTHER TIME THIS YEAR HE HURT HIS PRETTY FACE. IF YOU DON'T SEE HOW GREAT HE IS YOU ARE JUST A HATER!!!!!!111
Demontooth
10-19-04, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Bushdog
Yep, nothing trollish about this at all :lol:
If you can't do anything but threadcrap and call me names, stay out of my thread.
MJKTool
10-20-04, 12:58 AM
Bushdog looooooooves Jeter.
criptik28
10-20-04, 10:02 AM
Because of the "intangibles"? That's often why people say DJ is so important to the Yankees.
Sure, career stats not that great...and definitely not a top-notch defender. But winning the World Series with the Yankees 6 out of his first 9 seasons...not bad. And I hate the Yankees.
kantonburg
10-20-04, 10:35 AM
I'm not a Jeter lover but he would be the first guy that I start my team with. It's the intangables that make him the superstar that he is. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet.
B.A.
10-20-04, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by criptik28
But winning the World Series with the Yankees 6 out of his first 9 seasons...not bad. They've won it four times, lost it twice.
criptik28
10-20-04, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by B.A.
They've won it four times, lost it twice.
Sorry, that's what I meant. 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000.
Preacher
10-20-04, 01:09 PM
If I was starting a baseball team, this guy would be my first pick after a power pitcher. The intangibles with him are remarkable. And A-Fraud looks worse just standing next to him
He brings it all to the ballpark and crashing into the stands was just fucking cool. Who here would not want one of their players to do the same.
Jericho
10-20-04, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by shizawn
Yeah it's the enormous hard-on the baseball media has for Jeter that bothers me the most. That play earlier this year when he caught that foul ball and flew into the stands and cut up his face. Had it been any other player, the media wouldn't have treated it as the greatest defensive play ever.*
I don't have any problems with the guy personally.
*I exaggerate, but the point still stands.
The funny things is, in that exat game, a Red Sox player made virtually the exact play. I can't remember who it was, I suspect it was Pokey Reese, but he ran over towards the wall and made the catch. Except he made the catch much closer to the wall and just ran into it. Jeter had enough room to jump over it. Because of the whiplash of hitting the wall, I always thought the Red Sox catch was better.
Jericho
10-20-04, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by kantonburg
I'm not a Jeter lover but he would be the first guy that I start my team with. It's the intangables that make him the superstar that he is. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet.
aren't intangibles the excuse everyone uses when they don't have a real reason to back up their assertion? :)
Seriously though, it's baseball, I don't know if there are much in the way on intangibles, as opposed to football or basketball where you actually need leadership and team play. And even if you do believe you need those things, I believe the Yankees have always had so much talent and veterans that one guy can't be singled out. Otherwise, where's the love for Luis Sojo and his intangibles?
FantasticVSDoom
10-20-04, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by criptik28
Sorry, that's what I meant. 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000.
And I think their pitching had alot more to do with those wins than Jeter did...Its that goofy face he makes every time he goes up. But I have to say, Jeter doesnt bother me near as much as A-Rod does and Im so glad he didnt come to Boston. I dont think the Redsox make the playoffs if that deal goes through.
Marco1
10-20-04, 06:05 PM
I don't think Luis Sojo and Intangibles can ever be used in the same sentence.
Sojo + Scrub
Sojo + Just happy to be playing MLB
These are a few I would use.
bhk
10-20-04, 06:54 PM
Intangibles that I think about are clubhouse attitude and respect earned by younger and older players. I remember when Eddie Murray was with the Indians, he was clubhouse poison. I think Jeter is a really good player that if he played for the KC Royals and not the Yankees, wouldn't be a superstar.
Originally posted by Marco1
I am a life long Mets fan so I HATE the Yankees. But man Jeter plays the game the way its supposed to be played.
Agreed on both accounts.
-pedagogue
tommy28
10-21-04, 06:12 AM
Jeter is so overrated during the reg. season,it`s not even funny...17-20 mill. for 285/20/75 :(
put him on a team in the Midwest,aaand no one would have even heard of him....
KitchenSink
10-21-04, 09:26 AM
Jeter plays hard. And he's a good hitter. But there are a hundred guys that are his equal that don't have his hype machine. On another team, he's Mark Grudzielanek or Adam Kennedy.
welb25
10-21-04, 09:32 AM
It's all about the postseason and the countless big hits he has had, not to mention the plays in the field he makes like cutting off the throw to get Jeremy Giambi at the plate in Oakland. Oh, and the four world series rings.
tommy28
10-21-04, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by welb25
It's all about the postseason and the countless big hits he has had, not to mention the plays in the field he makes like cutting off the throw to get Jeremy Giambi at the plate in Oakland. Oh, and the four world series rings.
you mean the play where Giambi was safe???check the replay;)
and as far as 4 WS rings,it`s the Yankee team,not Jeter....how many rings has DJ got the last 4 years???how many big hits did Jeter get against Boston???
Jeter and his Fist pumping antics are played out.....
theres 30-50 ballplayers that own his stats.
wabio
10-21-04, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by tommy28
Jeter is so overrated during the reg. season,it`s not even funny...17-20 mill. for 285/20/75 :(
put him on a team in the Midwest,aaand no one would have even heard of him....
He's overpaid, not overrated. There is a difference.
wabio
10-21-04, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by KitchenSink
Jeter plays hard. And he's a good hitter. But there are a hundred guys that are his equal that don't have his hype machine. On another team, he's Mark Grudzielanek or Adam Kennedy.
Seriously, Grudzielanek and Kennedy are nowhere near as clutch as Jeter.
welb25
10-21-04, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by tommy28
you mean the play where Giambi was safe???check the replay;)
and as far as 4 WS rings,it`s the Yankee team,not Jeter....how many rings has DJ got the last 4 years???how many big hits did Jeter get against Boston???
Jeter and his Fist pumping antics are played out.....
theres 30-50 ballplayers that own his stats.
yup, just like there are quarterbacks who own Tom Brady and Joe Montana's stats, basketball players who own Bill Russell's stats, etc. I would still take Jeter in a big game over any other shortstop. He did get a bases loaded double in game 5 that should have been enough to win the series if the bullpen didn't implode again. He hasn't won a ring in 4 years. Wow. He should just quit.
tommy28
10-21-04, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by welb25
I would still take Jeter in a big game over any other shortstop. He did get a bases loaded double in game 5 that should have been enough to win the series if the bullpen didn't implode again. He hasn't won a ring in 4 years. Wow. He should just quit.
For 20 Million,
you can have him!!!!!
Aphex Twin
10-21-04, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by wabio
... Kennedy are nowhere near as clutch as Jeter.
Did you watch the 2002 playoffs?
Richard Malloy
10-21-04, 03:33 PM
Red Sox fan here... and I'd take Jeter on my team in a second. One of the greatest Yankees ever, and deserving of every ounce of respect he's given. If every player on your team was a Jeter (or a Bernie), I certainly couldn't hate you. And that Torre guy is pretty stand-up, too.
But good luck finding a decent left-handed pitcher, Yankees. You'll need two, and you ain't even gonna get the one. How do you like Brown and Vasquez now?
And a big shout-out to George Steinbrenner --- thanky very much for taking A-Rod away from us! Especially since you really needed another infielder (as opposed to a few lefties). Turns out we're better off with Manny in our fold and Alex in yours, though I suspect he'd be the bomb in a sissy-boy slap-fight.
PaperStreetSoapCo
10-21-04, 05:57 PM
I was watching the game last night with my roommates and one of them said Jeter looks like the kind of guy who stuffed kids in lockers in high school. I was surprised I never thought of that.
But even though I dislike Jeter and the Yankees, he has undoubtedly been an asset to the team.
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