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Bill Geiger
10-16-04, 02:00 PM
San Francisco, CA (Sports Network) - The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting on Saturday that Giants outfielder Barry Bonds used an undetectable steroid during the 2003 season.

The report cites Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson, who made the statement during a secretly taped conversation last year that was provided to the paper by an unidentified source who is familiar with Anderson. The 38-year-old trainer also said on the tapes that he expected to be notified before Bonds was to be drug tested by Major League Baseball.

Anderson is a longtime friend of Bonds and a defendant in the BALCO steroids conspiracy case.

"The whole thing is, everything that I've been doing at this point, it's all undetectable," Anderson said according to The Chronicle on the recording of the drug he was providing Bonds. "See the stuff I have, we created it, and you can't buy it anywhere else, can't get it anywhere else, but you can take it the day of (the test), pee, and it comes up perfect.

"It's going to be in either the end of May or beginning of June, right before the All-Star break, definitely," Anderson was recorded saying on being notified about a drug test. "So after the All-Star break, f -- , we're like f -- ing clear."

The paper contacted J. Tony Serra, Anderson's lawyer, on Friday and he said that Anderson denies providing banned substances to Bonds. He called the recording a "red herring" that doesn't prove otherwise.

"We sure as hell can't ID it as our client's voice," Serra said after the paper allowed him to hear the recording.

Bonds, who this past season became the third player in league history to reach the 700 home run mark, has denied ever taking steroids.

His lawyer Michael Rains told The Chronicle: "The way I view this is as simply another below-the-belt bash of Barry Bonds, which as I understand it is supposedly the product of what has to be an illegally recorded telephone conversation supposedly between Greg Anderson and an anonymous criminal.

"The circumstances that surround both the recording and the reporting of this supposed conversation, while perhaps appropriate fodder for the front page of the Enquirer, deserve no place in a responsible publication like The Chronicle and are unworthy of any substantive response other than scorn and contempt."

According to the paper, the taped recording is nine-minutes, 19-seconds in length and also contains several unidentified voices, noises and background conversations. Many comments make it clear that Bonds is the topic of conversation, said the paper, but it is unclear by the report if Bonds' name was ever used.

The tape reportedly also has Anderson saying that a number of unnamed Olympic athletes used the steroid and passed their drug tests.

This past February, Anderson and three other men, including BALCO founder Victor Conte, were indicted on steroid conspiracy charges. They allegedly distributed drugs that included a supposed undetectable steroid called "the clear" to stars of baseball, the National Football League and Olympic track and field. The four men have pleaded not guilty.

This recording that The Chronicle cites was never provided to defense attorneys, said Serra. He is quoted as saying the tape is "highly suspect and inadmissible" as evidence against Anderson and Serra predicts the tape will prove to be "much ado about nothing."

Tarantino
10-16-04, 02:01 PM
Gee, what a shocker. One season he looks like me, the next season he looks like the incredible hulk. Weight training? Suuuuuuuuuuure...

I hate Barry Bonds.

Turd Ferguson
10-16-04, 02:11 PM
No fucking way! Next, they'll be challenging Michael Jackson's prowess with the ladies.

Bill Geiger
10-16-04, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
No fucking way! Next, they'll be challenging Michael Jackson's prowess with the ladies.

:lol:

AndyCapps
10-16-04, 02:28 PM
The sky is blue, water is wet, women have secrets.

Canadian Bacon
10-16-04, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by AndyCapps
The sky is blue, water is wet, women have secrets,twikoff is a poll option,The Edit King likes poo, danol goes bin diving and C-man went to high school with Christopher Columbus

fixed

fumanstan
10-16-04, 03:21 PM
Yup, sounds about right.

Dabaomb
10-16-04, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Tarantino
Gee, what a shocker. One season he looks like me, the next season he looks like the incredible hulk. Weight training? Suuuuuuuuuuure...

I hate Barry Bonds.

I figured that he juiced, but honestly, he's not that big.

I know people who are bigger than him without juice.

I know some pro bodybuilders on juice and they're like 3 times as big as him.

Oh yeah, Barry Bonds was NEVER as small as you.

P.E.
10-16-04, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Dabaomb
Oh yeah, Barry Bonds was NEVER as small as you.
http://devastatingsoundworks.com/buckwheat.jpg

Tarantino
10-16-04, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Dabaomb
I figured that he juiced, but honestly, he's not that big.

I know people who are bigger than him without juice.

I know some pro bodybuilders on juice and they're like 3 times as big as him.

Oh yeah, Barry Bonds was NEVER as small as El Scorcho.

True, people who don't juice are big too, but not in the course of a few months.

Oh, and FIXED...

darkside
10-17-04, 01:24 AM
Duh, you think?

das Monkey
10-17-04, 01:34 AM
• Tarantino •

True, people who don't juice are big too, but not in the course of a few months.
Months?!? Try <i>weeks</i>! He gained over 100 pounds of muscle mass in barely a fortnight.

I hate Barry Bonds.

das

Dabaomb
10-17-04, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Months?!? Try <i>weeks</i>! He gained over 100 pounds of muscle mass in barely a fortnight.

I hate Barry Bonds.

das

:hscratch: I thought it was days? :hscratch:

twikoff
10-17-04, 01:40 AM
*yawn*

and as we have discussed before

who cares

its not like steroids give you much of an advantage in baseball

if you really think it does.. go read the thorough rebuttals to any dumb remark you might make, in the old threads... before you bother to make it... save us all some time :up:

das Monkey
10-17-04, 01:41 AM
Shit, I went outside to check the mail, and when I got back he was the Hulk. I hear (from secret tapes) that he uses special paint (Black Male #14) to hide the fact that he's green.

In a related story, Sheffield told the press that Bonds stole this girl (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=390748&perpage=25&pagenumber=1)'s dog. :grunt:

das

The Cow
10-17-04, 01:58 AM
Roids sure, everyone is doing it, it was the "in thang"...

Does it make you see the "fastball up the middle for a home run" or "recognize ball 4 " better? no.

Breaking news! Babe Ruth was an alcoholic. It made him relax at the plate to curse the BoSox....

stevevt
10-17-04, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by The Cow
Breaking news! Babe Ruth was an alcoholic. It made him relax at the plate to curse the BoSox....

Let me ask you this:

Assume for a second that Bonds took steroids. Why do you think he did?

B5Erik
10-17-04, 12:24 PM
Steroids make you stronger, and they give you better bat speed which leads to more home runs.

True, you still have to hit the ball, and steroids do nothing for hand/eye coordination, but once you hit the ball it's going to go a hell of a lot farther.

Bonds is a fraud. Aaron and Ruth hit their home runs legitimately. Bonds does not deserve to pass them - and he wouldn't even have a chance if not for his steroid use.

I hate Barry Bonds. (There seems to be a lot of that going around...)

fumanstan
10-17-04, 12:28 PM
It's funny that people feel the need to *defend* Bond's steroid use.

Edge
10-17-04, 02:11 PM
In the 100+ years of the existence of baseball, how many other baseball players were in their prime breaking records left and right at age 40?

Bushdog
10-17-04, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by fumanstan
It's funny that people feel the need to *defend* Bond's steroid use. Steriods doesn't help that much, so it isn't a big deal has to be the lamest and weakest argument on the planet. Trying to cheat is trying to cheat, period.

Note: IF he used roids. I'll not give a position here, but let's put that aside.

The Cow
10-17-04, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Edge
In the 100+ years of the existence of baseball, how many other baseball players were in their prime breaking records left and right at age 40?
Yup, Bonds is still pretty good.

twikoff
10-17-04, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by B5Erik
and they give you better bat speed

untrue

Im not going to go into the deep explaination on this.. it has been covered repeatedly
if you believe your statement... take the time to do a little research and you will see you're wrong

darkside
10-17-04, 10:14 PM
Roids make you stronger, when you are stronger the fly ball outs you were hitting the year before are now going into the seats. Maybe it doesn't help your eyesight or batspeed, but it does add power and distance with the added strength in your arms and legs.

There is really no mystery as to why so many guys use them. Bonds probably needed them less than someone like Caminiti or Canseco, but there is no way he would be the freak of nature superman he is now at age 40 without them.

If added strength didn't make you better there wouldn't be so many guys in the league that looked like muscle men. Sammy Sosa was a pretty mediocre White Sox when he was a skinny outfielder. However, He-Man Sammy was one of the most dominate players in the league with the Cubs.

The Cow
10-17-04, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by darkside
Roids make you stronger, when you are stronger the fly ball outs you were hitting the year before are now going into the seats. Maybe it doesn't help your eyesight or batspeed, but it does add power and distance with the added strength in your arms and legs.

There is really no mystery as to why so many guys use them. Bonds probably needed them less than someone like Caminiti or Canseco, but there is no way he would be the freak of nature superman he is now at age 40 without them.

If added strength didn't make you better there wouldn't be so many guys in the league that looked like muscle men. Sammy Sosa was a pretty mediocre White Sox when he was a skinny outfielder. However, He-Man Sammy was one of the most dominate players in the league with the Cubs.
So roids keep you good when you get older? Or do they keep you young?

grrrah
10-18-04, 04:24 PM
Steroids causes your muscles to outgrow your tendons and bones. This leads to lots of nagging injuries that cause you to get hurt easily, have nagging injures, and retire earlier in your career, not prolong it into your 40's.. Symptoms are exemplified in Caminiti, McGwire, Canseco. Did Bonds take roids? I don't know, but there are many other ball players where it is much more obvious if you don't look at the # of homeruns.

If you think bonds grew like the hulk over a couple of months, you are clueless.

twikoff
10-18-04, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by grrrah

If you think bonds grew like the hulk over a couple of months, you are clueless.

and if you think he did it without spending all his free time in the gym (with or without steroid help), you are equally clueless