Kerry- I am not sure what he will do. I would guess he will push that he has new ideas while saying everything that is wrong is all Bush's fault.
I think this my be tougher for Kerry because if he is just more of the same we already saw that in the last two debates. He needs to try and connect better.
I think Bush would be better off talking about new plans he might have (like he did out of the convention). But it seems that his people would rather try and get Kerry on the defensive.
In the end it will be a tie.
RoboDad
10-12-04, 03:10 PM
Kerry will use the phrase "...but I have a plan..." at least 25 times.
Other than that, I agree with your assessment.
nevermind
10-12-04, 03:13 PM
I predict I'm not watching this one, because my TV will be on the Red Sox/Yankees game :).
weargle
10-12-04, 03:15 PM
a) Bush will win his second debate in a row
b) the CNN non-scientific poll will show Kerry won 99.44% to 0.56% +/- 1.5% ;)
nevermind
10-12-04, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by weargle
a) Bush will win his second debate in a row
b) the CNN non-scientific poll will show Kerry won 99.44% to 0.56% +/- 1.5% ;)
I heard DU and the DNC are trying to figure out how to make it 800% Kerry to -%354056968.3 Bush +/- 1.5%
Geofferson
10-12-04, 03:24 PM
Kerry will finally admit to being a 'realistic liberal'.
Bush will continue to say that America is safer.
Same-sex marriage will not be discussed. :(
General Zod
10-12-04, 03:25 PM
Bush will say : blah blah blah
Kerry will say: yadda yadda yadda
and then they will both declare victory!
Mad Dawg
10-12-04, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by nevermind
I predict I'm not watching this one, because my TV will be on the Red Sox/Yankees game :).
True here as well, although I'll miss my prediction of John Kerry wishing his new favorite Sox player, "Peedro Schelling," the best of luck in tomorrow's game.
nevermind
10-12-04, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Mad Dawg
True here as well, although I'll miss my prediction of John Kerry wishing his new favorite Sox player, "Peedro Schelling," the best of luck in tonight's game.
:lol:
OT - have fun last night, MD?
Mad Dawg
10-12-04, 03:33 PM
Too much. I should have never solicited invitation turn-downs. :(
nevermind
10-12-04, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Too much. I should have never solicited invitation turn-downs. :(
:lol:
al_bundy
10-12-04, 03:46 PM
i'm still holding out hope it's going to be a cage match type event
raven56706
10-12-04, 03:48 PM
No way.... hell in a cell match
bfrank
10-12-04, 05:12 PM
Ok I think Bush buzz word will be "liberal"
what will Kerrys be? "I have a plan"?
Thor Simpson
10-12-04, 05:20 PM
What is the debate format / topics?
nemein
10-12-04, 05:22 PM
Format should be back to the first style. Topics are supposed to be domestic only.
bfrank
10-12-04, 07:01 PM
No I think the topic is- why does the other guy suck ;)
Dubya
10-12-04, 09:07 PM
Bush will give an impassioned defense for invading Iraq after being asked why so many jobs have been lost on his watch. No matter how poorly he does, Republicans will proclaim him to be the winner.
Chew
10-13-04, 06:14 AM
The real question is, will it be possible to discuss domestic issues for 90 minutes without mentioning Iraq? :)
Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041013/i/r3765764611.jpg
Looks like Lurch Armstrong is primed and ready.
No helmet and a cell phone -ohbfrank-
saoirse
10-13-04, 04:44 PM
Ok here are my thoughts:
Next time, the debates should not just be for the presidential candidates. Really when you vote in a president, he makes the decisions on those who will be in charge of different areas (Rice, Powell, etc). So personally I feel that the debates in the future should be more panel-like. They should have the current Pres and his main people (the top 5 or 6 in charge of different areas) and then the opponent with who he plans to have as his main people. Then when the questions begin, the 'expert' on each subject would answer. I believe this would give the public a much better view of how the country would actually be run and what ideas would be implemented and how.
Any thoughts?
nevermind
10-13-04, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by saoirse
Ok here are my thoughts:
Next time, the debates should not just be for the presidential candidates. Really when you vote in a president, he makes the decisions on those who will be in charge of different areas (Rice, Powell, etc). So personally I feel that the debates in the future should be more panel-like. They should have the current Pres and his main people (the top 5 or 6 in charge of different areas) and then the opponent with who he plans to have as his main people. Then when the questions begin, the 'expert' on each subject would answer. I believe this would give the public a much better view of how the country would actually be run and what ideas would be implemented and how.
Any thoughts?
Well they'd have to know who their cabinet would be before hand, for one thing.
saoirse
10-13-04, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by nevermind
Well they'd have to know who their cabinet would be before hand, for one thing.
Exactly. They could spend some of their time deciding that. They should be forward thinking and have an idea of who they would appoint (the mostly likely). Even if it means just having the last debate this way, to give more info to the public.
adamblast
10-13-04, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by saoirse
Ok here are my thoughts:
[...]
I feel that the debates in the future should be more panel-like. They should have the current Pres and his main people (the top 5 or 6 in charge of different areas) and then the opponent with who he plans to have as his main people. Then when the questions begin, the 'expert' on each subject would answer.
[...]
Any thoughts? Could it be hosted by Richard Dawson?
Originally posted by nazz
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/nazzman/1117pe.jpg
Last night on the Late Show, Dave "proved" that it could have been a T-bone steak.
Thor Simpson
10-13-04, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041013/i/r3765764611.jpg
Looks like Lurch Armstrong is primed and ready.
Is that his family's SUV in the background?
Looks like Kerry really <i>is</i> the environmentally responsible one in the house! :up:
nazz
10-13-04, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041013/i/r3765764611.jpg
Why does it look like he was wearing a suit and took his pants off?
nevermind
10-13-04, 05:31 PM
I might end up watching this anyway. Red Sox/Yankees aren't on here :mad:
CRM114
10-13-04, 06:00 PM
Wouldn't the best debate possible be Bush and Kerry sitting side by side on Meet the Press? Tim Russert does a good job with followup questions. Allow the candidates to address each other.
bfrank
10-13-04, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by CRM114
Wouldn't the best debate possible be Bush and Kerry sitting side by side on Meet the Press? Tim Russert does a good job with followup questions. Allow the candidates to address each other.
:up:
Bush would never go for that though
Thor Simpson
10-13-04, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by CRM114
Wouldn't the best debate possible be Bush and Kerry sitting side by side on Meet the Press? No, the best debate possible would be to give Kerry control over French troops, Bush control over American troops, and have them battle it out in the desert.
Winner gets to be President, loser has to live with Theresa.
Oh well, same outcome.
bfrank
10-13-04, 07:17 PM
Well will it be a win in the eyes of each side or will there be a big slip or a great performance to make a clear winner?
al_bundy
10-13-04, 07:25 PM
anyone want to guess kerry's strategy?
bush is the spawn of satan
everything has gone wrong in the past 4 years
90% of americans are poor begging in the street for crumbs, while the rich ceo's of oil and drug companies squeeze more money out of us
there are no more jobs left because all the rich ceo's moved to china
all our tax money is going to halliburton and into cheney's pocket
CRM114
10-13-04, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by al_bundy
anyone want to guess kerry's strategy?
bush is the spawn of satan
everything has gone wrong in the past 4 years
90% of americans are poor begging in the street for crumbs, while the rich ceo's of oil and drug companies squeeze more money out of us
there are no more jobs left because all the rich ceo's moved to china
all our tax money is going to halliburton and into cheney's pocket
That about sums it up. With hyperbole of course. :)
al_bundy
10-13-04, 07:46 PM
and kerry is going to do things differently
he will create 10 million new jobs. there will be so much new jobs that people will have two and three jobs each just to be able to use up all the jobs and pay their taxes under kerry
the people of iraq will love him, put down their arms and love each other as soon as kerry is elected
the world will come knocking and borrow money from the world bank just to help the US in Iraq
Pharoh
10-13-04, 07:52 PM
The only thing I agree with him is that he will create 10 million jobs.
Regardless, I am not even sure I am going to watch this thing tonight.
:shrug:
eXcentris
10-13-04, 07:59 PM
It will be discovered that the bulge on Bush's back is the following and that he can be neatly folded and used as carry-on luggage.
I don't want to see the debates, but I'm addicted. It's kinda like NASCAR, watch and wait for a crash.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:05 PM
Kerry gets more boring with each debate. In the first debate, he seemed kind of cool, now it's just boring man vs stupid man.
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:06 PM
kerry wants to be like reagan
does that mean he will tell the europeans to screw themselves, bend over and take the pershing missiles?
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:07 PM
Much smoother start for Bush this time than the first debate.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:07 PM
Hehe, outsource it the warlords!
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:08 PM
but we need to make alliances
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:08 PM
Lame line, "another one of my opponent's exaggerations." Nice smug emphasis there toolshed.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:08 PM
"That's kind of one of those... 'exagerations'... "
rotfl At least he's funny :)
Oh god, now the FLU??
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:09 PM
don't get a flu shot
wear a sweater
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:09 PM
HAHAHA! now he wants CANADIAN drugs? After what he said last week?
Derrich
10-13-04, 08:10 PM
Bush - If you're young, dont get sick! Oh, and forget what I said about Canada last week.
D
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
"That's kind of one of those... 'exagerations'... "
rotfl At least he's funny :)
Oh god, now the FLU??
When he's funny I'll give him props. That was just lame.
But yeah, second question and flu is the best they can do?
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:12 PM
"A plan is not to lay out programs you can't pay for."
Like ever single plan Bush has laid out that's racked up our current freakish deficit?
Carry is whipping him on this stupid question.
brizz
10-13-04, 08:12 PM
Uhm, yeah george...you did say it:
"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . . I truly am not that concerned about him." - George W. Bush
Derrich
10-13-04, 08:13 PM
Why is Bush giggling after every answer?
D
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:13 PM
Well, part of the reason he's funny is because he sounds so lame when he says it. Kerry on the other hand is just a snooze-fest...
This kind of thing SHOULDN'T matter, but it does on some level with people.
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:13 PM
I think that was a very good question. At least it was something new. The previous one they said all the same stuff they've said the last 2 times.
-BlasTech
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:14 PM
brizz- where is that from?
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by brizz
Uhm, yeah george...you did say it:
"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . . I truly am not that concerned about him." - George W. Bush
Someone ought to come up with a Pop-up Debate show to call up these facts.
Nazgul
10-13-04, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by BlasTech Industries CEO
brizz- where is that from?
It's part of a larger statement. However, it's usually modified to fit an agenda.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by BlasTech Industries CEO
I think that was a very good question. At least it was something new. The previous one they said all the same stuff they've said the last 2 times.
-BlasTech
Never thought of it that way. Good point.
goLUCKY
10-13-04, 08:16 PM
Budget-man!
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Derrich
Why is Bush giggling after every answer?
D
he smoked a blunt with karl rove before the debate
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:18 PM
What if the person who lost his job is a college graduate, is he going to go back to community college? Come on.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:19 PM
True. I like what he's saying about education needing fixing, but I just KNOW he doesn't want to fix it in the way I would.
RevLiver
10-13-04, 08:20 PM
I don't recall Bush using this many hand gestures and body language in the previous debates. Is he taking cues from Kerry (who learned from Clinton apparently)? At any rate, Bush seems forced when he is doing it.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:20 PM
Tony Soprano & Law and Order! w00t w00t pop culture references! :D :D :D
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:20 PM
Going to community college all the while working for peanuts at Wal-Mart to pay the bills and rent on the dump he lives in because he lost his mortgage with the high tech job.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:20 PM
Ten bucks says Bush thinks Tony Soprano is an opera singer
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
Ten bucks says Bush thinks Tony Soprano is an opera singer
Ten bucks says W. thinks....
Damn, there goes my money.
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 08:21 PM
Paygo?
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:22 PM
kerry voted for that corporate tax system that he speaks out against
brizz
10-13-04, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Nazgul
It's part of a larger statement. However, it's usually modified to fit an agenda.
-ohbfrank-
here's the large quote....and the song remains the same....he said he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden, and minutes ago declared that he never said it. Yes, he did. nice dig though -rolleyes-
"Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network is -- his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I've mentioned in my speeches, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death, and he himself tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.
"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . . I truly am not that concerned about him."
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:23 PM
"The fact is..."
"That's a fact..."
How often, I wonder, are these things actually true.
brizz
10-13-04, 08:23 PM
here's the entire press conference...it's from March 2003....
Damn, President Bush is doing remarkably better than the other debates.
:up:
A few quick comments:
American families are making more money now than before. It is only by using Kerry's silly metrics that they are not.
PayGo is stupid, and Mr. Kerry purposefully ignored that it only affect discretionary spending, which has almost nothing to do with our spending and deficit problems.
And as last time, if Kerry gets his way, especially in regard to his "closing the overseas loopholes," I will be incredibly busy at work. Not real good for American workers however. Stupid.
exm
10-13-04, 08:24 PM
Bush is saying 'Woooh' after every sentence. Can't believe this guy is our president.
Let's see if he can come back
The Edit King
10-13-04, 08:24 PM
The flu can BLOW ME.
I've never had a flu shot. :up:
brizz
10-13-04, 08:24 PM
Bush looks awful....at least he got that foam out of the corner of his mouth......
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:24 PM
At least Bush is doing a good job not making little-kid-behind-the-teacher's-back faces tonight while Kerry is speaking. As unimportant as that seems, it does make him look bad to undecided voters, and he's controlling it tonight.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
Paygo?
Are you asking what this is?
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 08:25 PM
Paygo!
The Edit King
10-13-04, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by brizz
Bush looks awful....at least he got that foam out of the corner of his mouth...... He looks fine to me. :eyebrow:
Derrich
10-13-04, 08:26 PM
Oh my god, I think the peyote just kicked in for Bush. I don't want to say he's crashing and burning but it he really does look like he's grasping at straws.
D
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:26 PM
Wooooohooooo! gays gays gays!
ILikeDVD
10-13-04, 08:27 PM
oh nooo
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:27 PM
Mr. Kerry is fully lying about the effects of his ET tax stance. His will ruin the American economy and lose countless jobs to outsourcing.
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by exm
Bush is saying 'Woooh' after every sentence. Can't believe this guy is our president.
Let's see if he can come back
that is how you speak Texan
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:27 PM
I swear, I hate the bigoted gay marriage b.s. from Bush more than the Iraq war. I can't stand prejudice.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
American families are making more money now than before. It is only by using Kerry's silly metrics that they are not.
Of course, all things are relative depending on where you live. But literally ever single one of my friends who hasn't been promoted in the last four years is making less money than they were four years ago when factoring in increases in gas, health care, heating, etc. That is in Eau Claire, WI, but it's a fact that unless you've been bumped up inside your current company, every person I know is losing money with each passing month.
Tracer Bullet
10-13-04, 08:27 PM
Yeah, Mr. Bush- trying to encode discrimination into the Constitution sure is promoting tolerance and diversity in America.
-ohbfrank-
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:28 PM
Great question. If only either of these two had the sack to tackle it directly.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
I swear, I hate the bigoted gay marriage b.s. from Bush more than the Iraq war. I can't stand prejudice.
Then you are refusing to vote for Mr. Kerry?
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
Of course, all things are relative depending on where you live. But literally ever single one of my friends who hasn't been promoted in the last four years is making less money than they were four years ago when factoring in increases in gas, health care, heating, etc. That is in Eau Claire, WI, but it's a fact that unless you've been bumped up inside your current company, every person I know is losing money with each passing month.
how is it the president's fault
people are using more gas than ever with their car choices
people are using more healthcare than ever through lifestyle drugs
Derrich
10-13-04, 08:29 PM
Cutting through it, sounds like Bush is Anti Ga...whhhhooooa
Oh SNAP!!!!!! Kerry brought up Cheney's gay kid!
D
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:30 PM
Hmm, that would suck if a judge actually gets to judge things :)
Jackskeleton
10-13-04, 08:30 PM
Ha, fair and balanced
http://img33.exs.cx/img33/5027/foxnewswhat.jpg
The Edit King
10-13-04, 08:30 PM
On Abortion: I guess the husband doesn't matter...
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
Of course, all things are relative depending on where you live. But literally ever single one of my friends who hasn't been promoted in the last four years is making less money than they were four years ago when factoring in increases in gas, health care, heating, etc. That is in Eau Claire, WI, but it's a fact that unless you've been bumped up inside your current company, every person I know is losing money with each passing month.
But that is not what Mr. Kerry stated. He lied, at least if you choose to use the accepted economic statistics.
Unrelated, this is fairly boring. Just a big rehash.
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:30 PM
Back to back balls questions. I like this moderator. Much better so far in terms of questions, and controlling, than previous.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by al_bundy
how is it the president's fault
Gotta blame someone and you can't vote/against for the guys really at fault.
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:31 PM
Then you are refusing to vote for Mr. Kerry?
You can believe whatever you want. It's when you move against those people to restrict them that I get pissed. It is when you try and push that b.s. on America, the land of tolerance and freedom.
In that, again, Kerry is the lesser of evils.
Besides, no politician could say "I support gay marriage" and get elected. It's the sad truth.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:31 PM
I want the moderator to tell one of them to
'shut the hell up and sit down!" just because it would be cool! :D :D :D :D
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by al_bundy
how is it the president's fault
people are using more gas than ever with their car choices
people are using more healthcare than ever through lifestyle drugs
I didn't say it was Bush fault. But the previous poster said American's are making more money than before, and I was commenting that at least in the area I live in that's just not true. I work for a multi-billion dollar company as a network admin, and most of my friends are sys admins, programmers, etc. And all of them have had expenses increase much faster than wages in the last four years. Is it Bush's fault? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that at least in my particular area, everyone I know has financially lost ground the last four years.
mikehunt
10-13-04, 08:32 PM
kerry better watch that religion stuff, his base doesn't like it
Nazgul
10-13-04, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by brizz
-ohbfrank-
here's the large quote....and the song remains the same....he said he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden, and minutes ago declared that he never said it. Yes, he did. nice dig though -rolleyes-
"Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network is -- his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I've mentioned in my speeches, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death, and he himself tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.
"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . . I truly am not that concerned about him."
Exactly, it's not the damning statement the Bush-haters try and push it off as. That's why the quote is so often snipped, it does not fit their agenda. You proved that. When looked at in context, it makes perfect sense.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:34 PM
Well this young gun says ABORTION PAYS
I loved Wham!
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
I didn't say it was Bush fault. But the previous poster said American's are making more money than before, and I was commenting that at least in the area I live in that's just not true. I work for a multi-billion dollar company as a network admin, and most of my friends are sys admins, programmers, etc. And all of them have had expenses increase much faster than wages in the last four years. Is it Bush's fault? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that at least in my particular area, everyone I know has financially lost ground the last four years.
And my point that you referenced stands. When looking at the nation as a whole, family incomes are up.
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:34 PM
Honestly, I don't blame the job market on any particular party/person, and I think it's silly to do so. But - Bush's deficit is scary, and that concerns me for the long run.
RevLiver
10-13-04, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
And my point that you referenced stands. When looking at the nation as a whole, family incomes are up.
Is that true for families making under $200,000? I'm honestly asking, I don't know.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:35 PM
The President being very strong in rebutting many of Kerry's points. Much better than both of the other debates.
Derrich
10-13-04, 08:35 PM
My pay went up slightly, but only because I cut my healthcare. That didn't offset the raise in rent and fuel prices. Going by that, I'm making less than I was 4 years ago.
D
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:35 PM
Lawyers are to republicans what nazis are to Indiana Jones movies. You can beat them, toss them off cliffs, and the audience cheers every time. Let's not mention the drug companies gouging us in terms of price, or insurance companies doing the same. Blame lawyers for everything, and everyone will cheer.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
Honestly, I don't blame the job market on any particular party/person, and I think it's silly to do so. But - Bush's deficit is scary, and that concerns me for the long run.
And that is a fair concern. I happen to not have that concern, but I understand and respect that view.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:36 PM
But when they run on the claim that "x number of jobs were created under my reign" then it becomes fair game to blame them when jobs are lost.
Tracer Bullet
10-13-04, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
Hmm, that would suck if a judge actually gets to judge things :)
Yeah, whenever I hear "activist judges" my head gets closer to exploding.
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 08:36 PM
The Administration has frozen the maximum Pell Grant available to students at $4,050, despite the President's campaign pledge in 2000 to increase the award to $5,100. The program freeze comes at the same time "state colleges and universities in every region of the country are preparing to impose this fall their steepest tuition and fee increases in a decade." Because of the Administration's budget, "most students won't get any more help than they receive now" – at the same time the White House has proposed a rule change that would cut off 84,000 students from receiving college aid.
http://dailykos.com/
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by RevLiver
Is that true for families making under $200,000? I'm honestly asking, I don't know.
my income is up 50% in the last 4 years
my wife is in the single digits
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:38 PM
It's "their activist judges", as in "I'll appoint my own activist judges".
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:39 PM
Someone should start a poll... what's more fun, watching the debates or arguing about it here?
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:39 PM
Bush is doing a lot better on many fronts by pointing fingers at Kerry's record. But Kerry is doing a lot better at defending himself and being offensive at the same time. IMO.
RevLiver
10-13-04, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by al_bundy
my income is up 50% in the last 4 years
my wife is in the single digits
Well yeah, mine is up 60% in the last 4 years because I switched jobs and went with a startup company.
But individual examples is not what I was looking for.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:39 PM
Easy poll. Watching is no fun at all.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by RevLiver
Is that true for families making under $200,000? I'm honestly asking, I don't know.
Honestly, it depends on what parameters you use. If you choose ones that show a decline in median family income, (which will depend on the metrics you choose), the decline will be statistically insignificant.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:40 PM
I want health care. And I'd like to have it and have some cash left to buy food too. Why is that so much to ask?
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:41 PM
Was he making a joke with that, or did he almost say something stupid? I'm going with...both.
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:41 PM
how is kerry going to make this healthcare plan so cheap?
he is going to force doctors to provide free services
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:41 PM
God, Bush needs to stop being a little bitch. It's not becoming on him. He does much better as the red neck, I think it's stupid, but he can at least pull that off without looking like an ass.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:42 PM
Damn, why didn't this George W. Bush show up for the first debate? The race would have been over.
-ohbfrank-
(I blame Senator Gregg).
Birrman54
10-13-04, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by al_bundy
how is kerry going to make this healthcare plan so cheap?
he is going to force doctors to provide free services
welcome to 10 years ago.
birrman54
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:42 PM
I'd love a catastrophic health care option. I've spent about $13,000 on my own health insurance in the past 7 years, and I've used it once for strep throat. I have to have it in case I get in a car accident, or break my leg shooting hoops. If I could get health care to just cover severe issues I'd have saved myself a hell of a lot of money, money that I'd have pumped back into the economy, and I think the same applies to a lot of people like myself.
The Edit King
10-13-04, 08:44 PM
TREESA & I JUST VOTED!!! :up:
(Absentee!)
It's OVER, BABY!!!
das IS das!
Tek! :editking:
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:44 PM
I like the questions from the moderator tonight. Tough. The SS question is good to ask. Neither candidate wants to piss off the old folks. Us young folks are cynical about ever seeing any SS anyway (regardless of who is in charge).
Roy28
10-13-04, 08:44 PM
Bush is trying too hard to be "strong" and is instead coming off as smug and obnoxious. And what the hell is that crap in the corner of his lip?
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:44 PM
Neither of them have said anything particularly amazing or particularly stupid so far. Kerry is winning in in presentation by quite a bit, and it may come down to that. Smug grins and hoots and hollers do not win you votes, and little things like that my make the difference here.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
I like the questions from the moderator tonight. Tough. The SS question is good to ask.
Yeah, Bob is doing a good job.
nemein
10-13-04, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by RevLiver
Well yeah, mine is up 60% in the last 4 years because I switched jobs and went with a startup company.
But individual examples is not what I was looking for.
How about BLS then
http://www.bls.gov/ncs/home.htm
Civilian Workers, Compensation
3-Month % Change (SA)
0.9% in 2nd Qtr of 2004
12-Month % Change (NSA)
3.9% in 2nd Qtr of 2004
Private Industry, Compensation
3-Month % Change (SA)
1.0% in 2nd Qtr of 2004
12-Month % Change (NSA)
4.0% in 2nd Qtr of 2004
State and Local Government, Compensation
3-Month % Change (SA)
1.1% in 2nd Qtr of 2004
12-Month % Change (NSA)
3.4% in 2nd Qtr of 2004
Check the link for historical graphs
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:48 PM
Good tough question to Kerry mod (sourced from Greenspan). Decent answer from Kerry.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:48 PM
How does compensation increase match up vs. cost of living increase? Curious, because as I've said, in my case and most of my friend's cases, cost of living has increased much faster than compensation.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by nemein
How about BLS then
http://www.bls.gov/ncs/home.htm
Check the link for historical graphs
Thanks. I was too lazy to find and post.
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
I'd love a catastrophic health care option. I've spent about $13,000 on my own health insurance in the past 7 years, and I've used it once for strep throat. I have to have it in case I get in a car accident, or break my leg shooting hoops. If I could get health care to just cover severe issues I'd have saved myself a hell of a lot of money, money that I'd have pumped back into the economy, and I think the same applies to a lot of people like myself.
that is because you are paying for the people who want to screw up their health to live on free or low cost drugs paid by you
if employers start raising co-pays it may force some people to think about themselves. But then you will have people on TV ranting about rising healthcare premium costs
(CNN) -- Claim: Bush said 75 percent of known al Qaeda leaders have been brought to justice.
CNN Fact Check: Bush incorrectly suggests that under his watch 75 percent of al Qaeda's leadership has been brought to justice. CIA officials have estimated that 75 percent of the two dozen or so known al Qaeda leaders as of September 11, 2001, have been either killed or captured. The estimate does not take into account post-September 11 activity, or new al qaeda leaders who have taken the place of those killed or captured. The nonpartisan International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates that al Qaeda has about 18,000 potential operatives, but there is no official data on the size of al Qaeda's total membership, in part because it is difficult to track the number of new recruits since the Iraq war.
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Maybe someone needs to check on the fact checkers?
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:49 PM
Nice point by Kerry to diffuse the "9-11 and the war has been what hurt our economy" excuse ahead of Bush's response
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
How does compensation increase match up vs. cost of living increase? Curious, because as I've said, in my case and most of my friend's cases, cost of living has increased much faster than compensation.
I get that, but that was not what Mr. Kerry said.
Answering objectively, they are about equal. Equal if you use the inflation rate, that is. If you choose to use a different metric, then you may come to the conclusion that compensation has lagged. Economics is a social science, not an exact one.
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by sivadc
Not sure if this belongs here but could someone explain what CNN was trying to say? (taken from CNN's fact checker fot the October 13 Debate).
(CNN) -- Claim: Bush said 75 percent of known al Qaeda leaders have been brought to justice.
CNN Fact Check: Bush incorrectly suggests that under his watch 75 percent of al Qaeda's leadership has been brought to justice. CIA officials have estimated that 75 percent of the two dozen or so known al Qaeda leaders as of September 11, 2001, have been either killed or captured. The estimate does not take into account post-September 11 activity, or new al qaeda leaders who have taken the place of those killed or captured. The nonpartisan International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates that al Qaeda has about 18,000 potential operatives, but there is no official data on the size of al Qaeda's total membership, in part because it is difficult to track the number of new recruits since the Iraq war.
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Maybe someone needs to check on the fact checkers?
You really need someone to explain this to you? You must be undecided.
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 08:51 PM
Damn, he was waiting for that immigration question...he blurted it out in about five seconds! :)
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:51 PM
Bush needs to stop laughing like that :( It's scary.
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:52 PM
Hmmm. Maybe all those laid off high tech workers need to start "crossing the border" into India for work.
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:53 PM
this president has opened the borders to anyone that wants to come in and take americans' jobs
he has in fact personally fired many people just so illegals can take their jobs.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
Bush needs to stop laughing like that :( It's scary.
Not scary to me. It is obvious to all but the most partisan individuals that Mr. Bush is doing very well tonight.
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 08:53 PM
Am I remembering correctly? Didn't Bush propose amnesty for immigrants a while ago???
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by al_bundy
that is because you are paying for the people who want to screw up their health to live on free or low cost drugs paid by you
if employers start raising co-pays it may force some people to think about themselves. But then you will have people on TV ranting about rising healthcare premium costs
lol
Are those the same people that want to get aids, or the ones who want to be gay, or the ones who want to be homeless?
Hey, no doubt there are plenty of leeches that jack up my costs. But also there is plenty more gouging by insurance and drug companies. It appeals a lot more to narrow-minded righties to blame Joe Welfare.
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
Not scary to me. It is obvious to all but the most partisan individuals that Mr. Bush is doing very well tonight.
You said that last time and not only the most partisan of the people thought Kerry won.
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
Am I remembering correctly? Didn't Bush propose amnesty for immigrants a while ago???
I seem to remember something like that myself. Anyone know?
Tracer Bullet
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
Not scary to me. It is obvious to all but the most partisan individuals that Mr. Bush is doing very well tonight.
Better than the last two? Sure. "Very well"? Not even close. Kerry's doing about the same.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Silly Burrito
Am I remembering correctly? Didn't Bush propose amnesty for immigrants a while ago???
No, he never proposed an amnesty program. Mr. Kerry did support one however.
sivadc
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by dolphinboy
You really need someone to explain this to you? You must be undecided.
I don't quite follow. I'm just curious how Bush is wrong in his statement... he said "known leadership" then CNN refutes it by saying "CIA officials have estimated that 75 percent of the two dozen or so known al Qaeda leaders as of September 11, 2001, have been either killed or captured." How exactly did they refute it with that statement? I think you need to read my post before you make smug remarks...
al_bundy
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
doctors learned to make money by doing in-office tests and procedures. A doctor can run up hundreds of dollars in tests in a 15 minute visit. I've seen it.
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
Kerry doesn't know how the border works? I'm not voting for him!
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 08:55 PM
Kerry has spirit fingers! ;)
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
lol
Are those the same people that want to get aids, or the ones who want to be gay, or the ones who want to be homeless?
Hey, no doubt there are plenty of leeches that jack up my costs. But also there is plenty more gouging by insurance and drug companies. It appeals a lot more to narrow-minded righties to blame Joe Welfare.
I would vote for you. ;)
Son-volt
10-13-04, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
I get that, but that was not what Mr. Kerry said.
Answering objectively, they are about equal. Equal if you use the inflation rate, that is. If you choose to use a different metric, then you may come to the conclusion that compensation has lagged. Economics is a social science, not an exact one.
It's almost as if we are going back and forth with rationally and politely. Is that allowed on here?
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
I seem to remember something like that myself. Anyone know?
A temporary guest worker program is not an amnesty program. If you don't want a candidate who supports amnesty, don't vote for Mr. Kerry.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
Not scary to me. It is obvious to all but the most partisan individuals that Mr. Bush is doing very well tonight.
Oh, I don't know about how well he's doing or whatever, but that laugh IS scary!
-- Saying the United States needs an immigration system "that serves the American economy and reflects the American dream," President Bush Wednesday outlined an plan to revamp the nation's immigration laws and allow some eight million illegal immigrants to obtain legal status as temporary workers
Not that I agree with necessarily shutting down immigration. But it seemed like I remembered it too.
But while temporary workers will have the opportunity to try to stay in the United States permanently, they will be encouraged to return to their home countries with financial incentives and, if they do decide to stay, will have to compete with migrants outside the country for the limited number of immigration slots,
Sounds like amnesty to me, by another name. But I don't really have a side on that anyway.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
It's almost as if we are going back and forth with rationally and politely. Is that allowed on here?
:lol:
Just don't let anybody else know about it.
Derrich
10-13-04, 08:58 PM
I thought women got paid less cuz they were stupid.
(just kidding).
D
Toonview
10-13-04, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
but that laugh IS scary!
Well, it is almost HALOWEEEN! Maybe he's just getting in the mood.
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 08:58 PM
Someone on CNN mentioned today that Kerry never mentioned women in the first two debates, someone must have told him that as he is all over it in this answer.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
Aha...think I found it.
[QUOTE]-- Saying the United States needs an immigration system "that serves the American economy and reflects the American dream," President Bush Wednesday outlined an plan to revamp the nation's immigration laws and allow some eight million illegal immigrants to obtain legal status as temporary workers[QUOTE]
Not that I agree with necessarily shutting down immigration. But it seemed like I remembered it too.
As I alluded to, it is not an amnesty program. This is also not a distinction without a difference type of thing. They are different.
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
A temporary guest worker program is not an amnesty program. .
:lol:
BizRodian
10-13-04, 08:59 PM
wtf? jump back to jobs?
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
Aha...think I found it.
Not that I agree with necessarily shutting down immigration. But it seemed like I remembered it too.
Sounds like amnesty to me, by another name. But I don't really have a side on that anyway.
That's what I was thinking about...I wasn't sure.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 09:00 PM
That bit on education and pushing students through was far and away the best bit Bush has spoken so far.
Roe v Waid, this should be interesting.....
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 09:01 PM
Why did Bush stop writing?
Toonview
10-13-04, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
Roe v Waid, this should be interesting.....
Or not.
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
I still think we should end this debate with an arm wrestling match. :)
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
Why did Bush stop writing?
The guy on the other end of the transmitter told him to stop. :)
Toonview
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
Ooh, The "L" word again. Name caller, name caller!
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
Why did Bush stop writing?
Brain overload?
Just kidding. I don't actually think Bush is dumb. The joke was too easy though. :D
I just don't like his beliefs and leadership. I'm sure he's plenty smart.
island007
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
That bit on education and pushing students through was far and away the best bit Bush has spoken so far.
Roe v Wade, this should be interesting.....
Fixed
Birrman54
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by dolphinboy
The guy on the other end of the transmitter told him to stop. :)
just let me finish!!
Son-volt
10-13-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Toonview
Or not.
Well, if would have been had either of them talked about it.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by sivadc
I don't quite follow. I'm just curious how Bush is wrong in his statement... he said "known leadership" then CNN refutes it by saying "CIA officials have estimated that 75 percent of the two dozen or so known al Qaeda leaders as of September 11, 2001, have been either killed or captured." How exactly did they refute it with that statement? I think you need to read my post before you make smug remarks...
I understood your point, and it was good one. Also, the organisation that CNN refered to as "non-partisan" is anything but.
Off topic: This class warfare stuff that Kerry keeps bringing up is getting very tiring.
BizRodian
10-13-04, 09:03 PM
What does Bush have against Massachusetts?
Is there something I'm missing? is this some inside joke to Americans? :)
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 09:03 PM
I will admit that I like the variety of questions we're hearing tonight. It makes it more interesting for sure.
Toonview
10-13-04, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
What does Bush have against Massachusetts?
Is there something I'm missing? is this some inside joke to Americans? :)
American SOUTHERNERS.
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Birrman54
just let me finish!!
:lol:
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Toonview
Ooh, The "L" word again. Name caller, name caller!
He called Kerry a Lesbian?
Toonview
10-13-04, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
What does Bush have against Massachusetts?
He just wants to prove he can pronounce it.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by dolphinboy
:lol:
Laugh if you will, but most analysts and experts on the issue make the distinction.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
What does Bush have against Massachusetts?
Is there something I'm missing? is this some inside joke to Americans? :)
Mass is a famously liberal state. I think it's a compliment :)
tcoursen
10-13-04, 09:05 PM
Ya know what I say to the parents of the 500,000 kids that lost after school programs.
Don't have kids if you can't afford them.
Know what I say to the parents of the kids that don't have health care.
Don't have kids if you can't provide for them.
mikehunt
10-13-04, 09:05 PM
once again
how is kerry going to add that many troops?
and SF take a long time to train, you don't just sign them up off the street
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 09:06 PM
Don't have kids if you can't afford them.
Know what I say to the parents of the kids that don't have health care.
Don't have kids if you can't provide for them.
Thanks for having mercy on the children for the flaws of their parents. And this kind of attitude goes with the pro-life movement? ?
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by BizRodian
What does Bush have against Massachusetts?
Just imagine what would happen if someone asked him to spell it.
Son-volt
10-13-04, 09:07 PM
Another good answer by Bush on the backdoor draft. Kerry needs to rip him on that "international approval" lie though.
Toonview
10-13-04, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by tcoursen
Ya know what I say to the parents of the 500,000 kids that lost after school programs.
Don't have kids if you can't afford them.
Know what I say to the parents of the kids that don't have health care.
Don't have kids if you can't provide for them.
Don't be an ass. Some of us could afford them at the time. Having your healthcare jump 30% in one year isn't something a person should have to expect.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
Thanks for having mercy on the children for the flaws of their parents. And this kind of attitude goes with the pro-life movement? ?
It is not the attitude that I have. It is also one of the reasons why I support the President's guest worker program. Should we make all of their children suffer?
Tracer Bullet
10-13-04, 09:08 PM
Kerry just said that 50% of the black males in NYC are unemployed.
The black population in NYC is 24.5% of the total.
If half of those are male, that gives us 12.25% of the NYC population are black males. 50% of that is 6.125%.
The unemployment rate for NYC is 6.7%.
Am I missing something?
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 09:08 PM
Ouch, good retort from Bush on the former Kuwait issue. Kerry will have to go back and respond to that.
Originally posted by TracerBullet
Kerry just said that 50% of the black males in NYC are unemployed.
The black population in NYC is 24.5% of the total.
If half of those are male, that gives us 12.25% of the NYC population are black males. 50% of that is 6.125%.
The unemployment rate for NYC is 6.7%.
Am I missing something?
Ummm... Kerry lied?
mikehunt
10-13-04, 09:09 PM
bush is right
prosecuting criminals is the way to go
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 09:09 PM
Truth Standard
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
Laugh if you will, but most analysts and experts on the issue make the distinction.
Most analysts....Most experts?
I don't like you, but I have to give you credit for speaking for most Americans in practically all of your posts. You must know a lot of people...really well.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by TracerBullet
Kerry just said that 50% of the black males in NYC are unemployed.
The black population in NYC is 24.5% of the total.
If half of those are male, that gives us 12.25% of the NYC population are black males. 50% of that is 6.125%.
The unemployment rate for NYC is 6.7%.
Am I missing something?
Yes.
Tracer Bullet
10-13-04, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by RoboDad
Ummm... Kerry lied?
Well, obviously... does no one check this stuff?
al_bundy
10-13-04, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by TracerBullet
Kerry just said that 50% of the black males in NYC are unemployed.
The black population in NYC is 24.5% of the total.
If half of those are male, that gives us 12.25% of the NYC population are black males. 50% of that is 6.125%.
The unemployment rate for NYC is 6.7%.
Am I missing something?
don't question statistics
mikehunt
10-13-04, 09:10 PM
hey kerry. AK47s are select fire and covered by other laws
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 09:10 PM
"Terrorists can come into America and buy an assault weapon today."
Great answer.
OldDude
10-13-04, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by mikehunt
once again
how is kerry going to add that many troops?
and SF take a long time to train, you don't just sign them up off the street
Rangel's draft plan?
Son-volt
10-13-04, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by BlasTech Industries CEO
"Terrorists can come into America and buy an assault weapon today."
Great answer.
Yup, but he needs more of those because Bush is obviously channeling someone who isn't a moron so far tonight.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by dolphinboy
Most analysts....Most experts?
I don't like you, but I have to give you credit for speaking for most Americans in practically all of your posts. You must know a lot of people...really well.
As I have to applaud you for marginalising points so effortlessly with no basis for doing so. Or would you care to refute, with some evidence, that the President's program is in fact not an amnesty program?
On second thought, don't bother, I won't be able to see it anyhow.
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by mikehunt
hey kerry. AK47s are select fire and covered by other laws
That makes me feel MUCH safer.
Silly Burrito
10-13-04, 09:12 PM
But what about us white males?? What about us?? ;)
al_bundy
10-13-04, 09:12 PM
if kerry is so much for affirmative action, he needs to implement it in his campaign first
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 09:12 PM
"Terrorists can come into America and buy an assault weapon today."
Great answer.
It was a very good answer for most people. I don't really like the Dem attitude on guns, but it was a good reply.
RoboDad
10-13-04, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by BlasTech Industries CEO
"Terrorists can come into America and buy an assault weapon today."
Great answer.
You mean, incredibly misleading answer. Most people have no clue about the definition of "assault weapon," but Kerry knows (or at least was coached to know) that it is an emotional hot buton for some people.
BlasTech Industries CEO
10-13-04, 09:13 PM
Which is exactly why it was a great answer.
gettinbranded
10-13-04, 09:14 PM
Update: Bush says:
Veterans are getting very good health care under my administration
Answer:
FACT: Veterans of Foreign Wars assailed the president’s 2005 budget, saying, "This deplorable budget will do nothing to alleviate the many thousands of veterans who are waiting six months or more for basic health care appointments with VA...This is inexcusable.” [Veterans of Foreign Wars, 2/2/04]
FACT: According to leading veterans’ organizations, President Bush’s 2005 budget shortchanged veterans health-care facilities by $2.9 billion. [National Priorities Project, May 2004]
FACT: President Bush’s 2005 budget would increase prescription drug co-pays from $7 to $15 for many veterans.” In 2002, the co-pay more than tripled, jumping from $2 to $7.” [Sources: Cleveland Plain Dealer, 2/7/04; WP, 2/19/03]
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 09:14 PM
HAHA
Exactly. Don't approve myself, but it was good reply.
tcoursen
10-13-04, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Silly Burrito
But what about us white males?? What about us?? ;)
You get to pay the bills.
sfsdfd
10-13-04, 09:14 PM
So what's the general verdict here? Been listening to the whole thing - not hearing anything new, either in substance or in style. It's like a remix of the second debate.
- David Stein
Son-volt
10-13-04, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by RoboDad
You mean, incredibly misleading answer. Most people have no clue about the definition of "assault weapon," but Kerry knows (or at least was coached to know) that it is an emotional hot buton for some people.
I would say that most people would definse an assult weapon as a gun that servers no purpose but to kill multiple people quickly. Those are available for purchase today. Doesn't seem that incredibly misleading to me.
dolphinboy
10-13-04, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by BlasTech Industries CEO
Which is exactly why it was a great answer.
Come on man, it's been 3 debates now, Kirsten is not going to call. ;)
GreenMonkey
10-13-04, 09:15 PM
VERY direct question on religion.
:D
Great hard questions tonight.
Pharoh
10-13-04, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by TracerBullet
Well, obviously... does no one check this stuff?
He actually didn't, at least not on this one. Using your numbers, we would have to assume that nobody except black males were unemployed.
billolmesdahl
10-13-04, 09:15 PM
I pray for John Kerry's fiery demise....
mikehunt
10-13-04, 09:16 PM
terrorists can get guns with baynoet lugs now
oh no
hate to say this since it will make gun owners look bad, but mohammed isn't going to get much of a welcome at a gun show
RoboDad
10-13-04, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Son-volt
I would say that most people would definse an assult weapon as a gun that servers no purpose but to kill multiple people quickly.
And those people would be wrong.
chanster
10-13-04, 09:16 PM
I think its another draw. I'm seeing a slight edge to Bush, but I'm sure others are seeing it differently.
sfsdfd
10-13-04, 09:16 PM
"You're... uh... equally an American if you, er, want to worship or, uh, not..."
Bush's stumbling makes him sound very fake here.
- David Stein
tcoursen
10-13-04, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by GreenMonkey
Thanks for having mercy on the children for the flaws of their parents. And this kind of attitude goes with the pro-life movement? ?
I am not pro-life.
If the parents of these kids don't have mercy on them by not having kids they can't afford nor provide for, why should I.
mikehunt
10-13-04, 09:16 PM
point is the AWB going away will do nothing to increase the number of ak47s
Originally posted by dolphinboy
That makes me feel MUCH safer.
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