Just in from Paramount, SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW will land on DVD on January 25th. Specs are forthcoming but one thing is certain, we'll finally be able to
see a full digital presentation of this 24P, HD originated film.
Paramount dropped the ball, theatrically, by not releasing
digital transfers to DLP cinemas. I can't wait for this release!
reverie
10-11-04, 08:23 AM
I'll be picking this one up for sure. Not so much interest to see it in the theatres, but it looks visually beautiful, so it's worth a check out on DVD to me.
Gotham_Knight
10-11-04, 08:39 AM
Of all the movies I had high expectations for this year, Sky Captain was easily the most disappointing.
That said, my point in posting in this thread is that if you haven't seen the movie yet, don't sit around and wait for the DVD; see it on the big screen. While I didn't like the movie, some of the visuals (mostly those in the beginning) were so engaging that they have to be seen on a big screen.
highdef
10-11-04, 08:42 AM
I'll pass on the big screen as NO THEATRE is playing it in DLP.
This was a huge mistake on Paramount's part for an HD-originated feature. I'll watch it on my DLP screen in January.
steebo777
10-11-04, 09:26 AM
Great news. I loved this movie once I figured out that I needed to treat it as a digital comic book. It is really engaging and can't wait to see it on my big screen at home :D
Geofferson
10-11-04, 09:27 AM
:up:
acostigan
10-11-04, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by highdef
we'll finally be able to
see a full digital presentation of this 24P, HD originated film.
Sorry, what's "24P" ?
Thanks,
-AC
calhoun07
10-11-04, 10:10 AM
While I agree Paramount dropped the ball in that regard, I do think it's still worthy of seeing on the big screen. This is just a movie that should be seen on the big screen at least once.
highdef
10-11-04, 10:36 AM
acostigan, 24P HD is the digital standard for non-film originated features (George Lucas used it for STAR WARS EPISODE II), yielding state-of-the-art picture exhibition in a DLP (digital light processing) theatre. This is not to be confused with the inferior "DV" format that is simply "digital video" (28 DAYS LATER.) This format is suitable for television production, but certainly not for theatrical release on large screens. Anyone that saw 28 DAYS LATER in the theatre will know just what I'm talking about. To watch SKY CAPTAIN on the "big screen" on an its current analogue format (film) is degrading to the filmmakers vision.
When displayed on my DLP home theatre system, I'm confident that image quality will far exceed the current theatrical release.
I hope that this answers your question?
Josh Z
10-11-04, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by highdef
To watch SKY CAPTAIN on the "big screen" on an its current analogue format (film) is degrading to the filmmakers vision.
Since the cinematography of the movie is meant to emulate old 35mm movie serials of the 30s and 40s, that's not a fair complaint.
highdef
10-11-04, 10:45 AM
It is a fair complaint when a film is HD-originated and not presented that way.
steebo777
10-11-04, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by highdef
It is a fair complaint when a film is HD-originated and not presented that way.
Word.
Maxflier
10-11-04, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the info.I liked this one a lot and will gladly pick up the DVD in Jan.
Defiant1
10-11-04, 12:51 PM
I hope Paramount adds a feature on all the techinical how-did-they-do-that stuff for this movie. It's quite remarkable what was accomplished.
Big Worms
10-11-04, 12:54 PM
Awesome!
RockStrongo
10-11-04, 01:09 PM
I had no interest from seeing the trailers. But, after hearing the reviews, I want to see it. I will pick it up!
Thanks,
bboisvert
10-11-04, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Defiant1
I hope Paramount adds a feature on all the techinical how-did-they-do-that stuff for this movie. It's quite remarkable what was accomplished.
This is one film that virtually REQUIRES those types of extras on DVD. I don't think Paramount will disappoint.
Dazed
10-11-04, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by acostigan
Sorry, what's "24P" ?
Thanks,
-AC
24 Frames per second Progressive Scanned (ie the same frame rate as film and none interlaced, ie every line is drawn in sequence rather than doing the odd lines then filling in the even lines later.)
Iron_Giant
10-11-04, 01:42 PM
Saw it in the theater, I enjoyed it very much becuase it was different and had the "Old Time" feel to it.
But, I can see how it did not do well in the Boxoffice.
A great rental and a good buy if you like that kind of movie.
king3style
10-11-04, 02:36 PM
<i>Mod edit: :crap: like this is not allowed. Please read http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=235044 for more info.
Thx
nemein</i>
AGuyNamedMike
10-11-04, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by king3style
Highly overated movie.
Yay, a threadcrap! :crap:
Thanks highdef, I enjoyed this in the theater and will welcome it to my collection.
Superman07
10-11-04, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by highdef
When displayed on my DLP home theatre system, I'm confident that image quality will far exceed the current theatrical release.
Execpt DLPs are whorrible.
If you haven't already seen the movie there is lots of fast paced action and many explosions - I'm sorry, but your DLP will not be able to handle that. You're going to have a very blocky picture.
As for the movie, I enjoyed it, but not as much as I was hoping for. Hopefully the dvd will have deleted scenes and perhaps an extended cut.
I saw Sky Captain and Wimbeldon on he same weekend and enjoyed Wimbeldon much more.
H.E Pennypacker
10-11-04, 02:56 PM
I wasn't really interested to see this in the theater but I will grab it as a rental at least.
JustInsane
10-11-04, 03:01 PM
I got to see a DLP screening of this movie and for the style Sky Captain is going for, it felt a lot better on film.
RockStrongo
10-11-04, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Superman07
Execpt DLPs are whorrible.
If you haven't already seen the movie there is lots of fast paced action and many explosions - I'm sorry, but your DLP will not be able to handle that. You're going to have a very blocky picture.
Hmm...I have a 61inch DLP set and fast action movies look wonderful (all Star Wars and all Pixar look great).
I do not know where you got your info. :hscratch:
highdef
10-11-04, 04:17 PM
Agreed, ROCKSTRONGO, just chalk that comment up to an illinformed DLP basher.
eau
10-11-04, 04:23 PM
Doe it mean the DVD is best viewed on a DLP HDTV than on a LCD HDTV (or plasma, whatever)? ;)
Superman07
10-11-04, 06:08 PM
How on earth does what I said leave me as an "uninformed DLP basher"?
What I said was based on numerous hours of research and observation.
I won't argue for a second that DLP are incapable of rendering high resolution images. What I do not think they can do well is render high paced images without leaving blocky biproducts from previous frames. I think this is attributed to a delay between the signals and the osscilation of the mirrors along with the color wheel.
Similarly, I do not see plasmas having the same problem, as they are simply charing a gaseous body directly instead of going through additional mediums to render the final product.
And if Star Wars may look good on a DLP. I saw a few seconds at the store, but that isn't enough to give a fair analysis. Only thing I can say is the blacks weren't black enough.
However, I suggest you visit this thread again in Jan an give tell us how Sky Captain was on your DLP. I truely hope it does look great. I just don't think it will. Besides, the feel the film is trying to convey also will probably not help - but I think somebody already mentioned that.
highdef
10-11-04, 06:38 PM
My Runco DLP front projector looks as good as any DLP cinema projector. Blacks are deep and the overall image integrity is outstanding. Shy of DVD delivering an HD image, my upconverted disc images look superb.
One closing footnote, I create 24P HD images for a living and use Texas Instruments DLP technology on a regular basis for exhibition and have not encountered any of the blocking associated with fast-moving images that you've mentioned. Sorry, but the DLP you must be referencing are cheap, low-end consumer projectors incapable of rendering properly black levels. So far as plasma is concerned, it doesn't hold a candle to my Runco projector. Plasma simply put sucks.
Mr. Salty
10-11-04, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by highdef
When displayed on my DLP home theatre system, I'm confident that image quality will far exceed the current theatrical release.
I hope that this answers your question?
Unless your source is D-VHS, I doubt it. If you're watching a DVD, the downconverted 480p image won't look as good as the original 1080p that has been transferred to film.
highdef
10-11-04, 06:40 PM
Forget about consumer D-VHS as I play HD-CAM original masters in full 1080P and they look incredible. DVD looks as good as it possibly can upconverted with my Denon player.
Superman07
10-11-04, 07:24 PM
Personally, I don't consider a $3500 projector to be "cheap, low-end" commercial grade.
However, I could be wrong; in which case I would appreciate you informing of what else there is out there instead of turning this into a dlp vs plasma thread.
C.H.U.D.
10-11-04, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by king3style
Highly overated movie.
How can a movie that underperformed at the box office and has yet to really find an audience be overrated?
highdef
10-11-04, 08:09 PM
Superman07, this thread was a street date alert for SKY CAPTAIN. $3,500 is not a cheap projector, but it isn't the commercial grade found in DLP cinemas and high-end front projector home systems. All that I am saying is that my $20,000 DLP front projection system looks as good as any DLP cinema system. No insult to your equipment, just a clarification of consumer goods vs. commercial equipment.
king3style
10-11-04, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
How can a movie that underperformed at the box office and has yet to really find an audience be overrated?
Point Taken. I guess I should explain myself. Due to the huge ad campaign that ran for this movie, I was quite aware of it coming out. I was blown away by the previews, because how new and fresh the movie looked. This peaked my interest and after reading more positive reviews from critics and imdb users, some even calling it the beginning of the next big triology, made my anticipation grow even more. So personally this movie was hyped up for me, and after seeing it, I agree the movie had a new fresh style to it that was very creative, however, the story and the characters I found very uninteresting. Don't mean to thread crap, just my opinion.
Mr. Salty
10-11-04, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by king3style
Don't mean to thread crap, just my opinion.
Yet you did. Maybe you can show some self-restraint next time and post such comments in the appropriate thread.
me12321
10-11-04, 09:06 PM
I'll definitely be picking this one up, and I'll probably end up seeing it at least once more while it's still playing in theaters.
It's not incredibly deep and doesn't have the best acting 'EVER' but it's just so much fun. A very refreshing movie experience, in my opinion.
Dead
10-11-04, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by king3style
Don't mean to thread crap, just my opinion.
In the future, please try to keep from making comments that are unrelated/contrary to the purpose of the thread.
Thanks.
king3style
10-11-04, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by Dead
In the future, please try to keep from making comments that are unrelated/contrary to the purpose of the thread.
Thanks.
Okay, Im sorry. I read the policy on threadcraps and fully understand now.
Gerry P.
10-12-04, 12:41 AM
One of the best movies this year.
I hope we get an SE that features a color transfer as well as the director intended monochrome transfer.
Fok
10-12-04, 12:48 AM
Yep going to pick this up :)
wolverine1028
10-12-04, 01:15 AM
I wasn't impressed when I saw it at the theaters. Movie bombed at the box office. Only $33 mil so far. Definitely costed more than $33M to make the film. I'll probably wait until it shows up in some 2 for $15 deals.
Superman07
10-12-04, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by highdef
$3,500 is not a cheap projector, but it isn't the commercial grade found in DLP cinemas and high-end front projector home systems. All that I am saying is that my $20,000 DLP front projection system looks as good as any DLP cinema system. No insult to your equipment, just a clarification of consumer goods vs. commercial equipment.
And I appreciate that. I was not aware there was such a wide range in the DLP line.
If you have a chance and wouldn't mind PMing me I'd appreciate if you could pass along some information or some links for me to read.
As you will find there are indeed many grades of DLP equipment.
Any further questions, feel free to post here.
steebo777
10-12-04, 08:59 AM
I thought this was a discussion about Sky Captain? ;)
Maybe this should be moved to DVD Hardware.
highdef
10-12-04, 09:04 AM
All future discussions should be restricted to SKY CAPTAIN and not its theatrical or future DVD presentation. My last posting should give all readers enough info regarding DLP, both theatrically and commercially, to fully appreciate 24P HD originated presentations.
C.H.U.D.
10-12-04, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by wolverine1028
I wasn't impressed when I saw it at the theaters. Movie bombed at the box office. Only $33 mil so far. Definitely costed more than $33M to make the film.
It cost about $40M to make. Not that much more.
pagansoul
10-12-04, 01:47 PM
Since it was all done on blue and had no location shots plus the actors are not in the 'paid way too much to make the movie worth it' grade it was made at a very reasonable price. Between the theatre and DVD sales they will double their investment (I believe). I read somewhere the creators wanted to make a 'home movie' using a G5 that was good enough for the theatre. :)
Josh Z
10-12-04, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Superman07
Execpt DLPs are whorrible.
If you haven't already seen the movie there is lots of fast paced action and many explosions - I'm sorry, but your DLP will not be able to handle that. You're going to have a very blocky picture.
Wow, you know even less about DLP technology than you do about spelling and grammar.
The Valeyard
10-12-04, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
It cost about $40M to make. Not that much more.
Are you sure about that? I had read online and in a magazine (either Entertainment Weekly or Starlog) that the budget was closer to $70 million.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I was just curious.
Andrew
steebo777
10-12-04, 03:14 PM
From Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=skycaptain.htm):
Production Budget: $70 million
Marketing Costs: $35 million
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $33,932,601 96.5%
+ Overseas: $1,229,997 3.5%
It will still make that easily. So no, the movie is not considered a 'bomb'.
Gerry P.
10-12-04, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by The Valeyard
Are you sure about that? I had read online and in a magazine (either Entertainment Weekly or Starlog) that the budget was closer to $70 million.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I was just curious.
Andrew From Ebert's Current Answer Man column:
"Q. As a free-lancer for the Seattle Times, I recently interviewed Kerry Conran, the writer-director of "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow," and when we discussed the film's budget, he quoted a figure -- off the record -- which was far below the $70 million that's been quoted in literally dozens of reviews and articles.
While I'm familiar with the ego-soothing spin strategies that studios use to inflate a film's budget, in the case of "Sky Captain," wouldn't it make more sense if Paramount had actually boasted about the film's relatively modest budget, since it represents a digital milestone?
Jeff Shannon, Lynnwood, Wash.
A. I heard the budget was not a million miles away from $38 million, which is the advertising budget for some films in that genre. So "Sky Captain" will win back its cost and turn a profit, despite a relatively tame reception at the box office. Many readers tell me I liked it more than they did, and accuse me of being blinded by its style, as if there's a surplus of style in today's movies."
The Valeyard
10-13-04, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Gerry P.
From Ebert's Current Answer Man column:
"Q. As a free-lancer for the Seattle Times, I recently interviewed Kerry Conran, the writer-director of "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow," and when we discussed the film's budget, he quoted a figure -- off the record -- which was far below the $70 million that's been quoted in literally dozens of reviews and articles.
While I'm familiar with the ego-soothing spin strategies that studios use to inflate a film's budget, in the case of "Sky Captain," wouldn't it make more sense if Paramount had actually boasted about the film's relatively modest budget, since it represents a digital milestone?
Jeff Shannon, Lynnwood, Wash.
A. I heard the budget was not a million miles away from $38 million, which is the advertising budget for some films in that genre. So "Sky Captain" will win back its cost and turn a profit, despite a relatively tame reception at the box office. Many readers tell me I liked it more than they did, and accuse me of being blinded by its style, as if there's a surplus of style in today's movies."
Well straight from the horse's mouth (sort of).
Thanks, Gerry!
C.H.U.D.
10-13-04, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by steebo777
From Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=skycaptain.htm):
Production Budget: $70 million
Nope. More like $40 million.
highdef
11-02-04, 06:02 AM
Bad news to all...Paramount has bumped SKY CAPTAIN until February 1st. Who knows, maybe they've decided to include a DTS track? Probably not but we can dream, can't we?
aintnosin
11-02-04, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by highdef
Bad news to all...Paramount has bumped SKY CAPTAIN until February 1st. Who knows, maybe they've decided to include a DTS track? Probably not but we can dream, can't we? That's only one week, probably not enough time for that. I think there was another big release announced for the same week and they didn't want to compete.
audiomixer
11-04-04, 02:52 PM
I just saw the film last week at a screening and REALLY enjoyed it.
This film got a bad rap. All of this talk about "no plot"...let's talk about "Day After Tomorrow"!
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