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General Zod
10-08-04, 02:48 PM
Wow.. can you imagine if this had been a republican that said this?

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http://pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1097227258250840.xml

Sen. Vince Fumo issued an open apology yesterday to the gay community for his use of the word "faggot" in a name-calling tirade on the state Senate floor late Wednesday.

Fumo hurled the epithet several times at Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Jubelirer, R-Blair, and Majority Leader David "Chip" Brightbill, R-Lebanon, after the Senate Republicans moved to stifle debate on a number of Democratic amendments to their slots bill.

According to witnesses, Fumo stormed over to the GOP leaders during a break in proceedings and accused them of breaking a pledge that he and his colleagues would be permitted to present their amendments. Fumo used the term several times before the exchange ended. It was not captured on tape.

Later, the Philadelphia Democrat acknowledged to reporters that he had lost his temper and "made a mistake" in his choice of words.

Yesterday, Fumo phoned Mark Segal, the publisher of the Philadelphia Gay News. According to a press release issued by his office, he apologized for "a very unfortunate word choice. ... I am especially sorry about using the term because it is not the way I feel in my heart toward gays."

The expression of remorse was not meant for his Senate colleagues, Fumo staffers said.

"He feels that the error he made was in using a term that is regarded as derogatory toward gay people," Fumo spokesman Gary Tuma said. "He does not regret getting into an argument with Senators Jubelirer and Brightbill."

Fumo's apology was accepted by Segal and other gay rights advocates.

"Vince is the kind of guy, when he gets angry colorful things come out of his mouth," said Segal, who considers himself a friend of Fumo's. "But he is also the No. 1 supporter of gay and lesbian issues in the Pennsylvania Senate ... and deeds speak louder than words."

Others, including Jubelirer, were in a less-forgiving mood.

Jubelirer, a member of the state Senate for 30 years, said Fumo's outburst was one of the worst he'd ever seen. He said Fumo owes a direct apology to his colleagues.

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an expert on political communication at the University of Pennsylvania, agreed.

"The people we elect are supposed to be role models, and they're supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard than everybody else," she said. "Not a lower standard."

Nor does Fumo get a pass because of his animated personality. "Name-calling like that isn't appropriate in any venue, but there have to be expectations for what is appropriate language for a deliberative body," she said.

Senate rules regarding order and decorum generally apply to floor debates, and the body was in recess when Fumo lashed out.

The chamber's Ethics Committee investigates complaints into illegal or unethical activities by members. "It is something that we may need to discuss," Jubelirer said. "This should never happen."

Fumo was angry over his being blocked from debating an amendment that would broaden a proposed ban on lawmakers having financial interests in gaming businesses. Fumo wanted the ban to prohibit all family members, including adult children, from deriving income from a gambling enterprise.

In theory, the amendment would affect Jubelirer's son, Jeff, who handles public relations work for Philadelphia businessman Manny Stamatakis. Stamatakis is interested in applying for a license to operate a freestanding slots parlor in Philadelphia.

Republicans said they curtailed debate in part because Fumo's amendment -- which included a more-expansive definition for "immediate family" than the law Fumo helped to negotiate this summer -- was "mean-spirited, and intended to embarrass people."

Fumo ended his statement yesterday by suggesting Jubelirer and Brightbill "owe an apology to the people of Pennsylvania for failing to confront the issue of legislators' relatives being able to enrich themselves through gambling."

The slots bill, passed on a 49-1 vote, moves to the House.

nevermind
10-08-04, 02:51 PM
what a niggardly apology -ohbfrank-

nemein
10-08-04, 02:52 PM
:lol:

dick_grayson
10-08-04, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by nevermind
what a niggardly apology -ohbfrank-

Nice try using the adjective "niggardly" to fish for people thinking it has something to do with race. ;)

Shoveler
10-08-04, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by nevermind
what a niggardly apology -ohbfrank-

I agree, but that's a queer way to put it. ;)

Mutley Hyde
10-08-04, 02:56 PM
I don't appreciate the negative connotation you're implying with fishermen. :grunt:

Shoveler
10-08-04, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by dick_grayson
Nice try using the adjective "niggardly" to fish for people thinking it has something to do with race. ;)

Fixed. :D

dick_grayson
10-08-04, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Shoveler
Fixed. :D

yes, you're right.

RevLiver
10-08-04, 03:10 PM
Sometimes I wish US politics would feature some of the brawls we see in the parliaments of our friends in East Asia. Imagine the fun!

Groucho
10-08-04, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by RevLiver
Sometimes I wish US politics would feature some of the brawls we see in the parliaments of our friends in East Asia. Imagine the fun! I'm sure a gay time would be had by all!

RevLiver
10-08-04, 03:16 PM
You owe me $5 for setting that up for you.

dork
10-08-04, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by General Zod
Wow.. can you imagine if this had been a republican that said this?

I tried. In my imagination he looked something like this:

http://premierespeakers.com/photos/2708.jpg

dork
10-08-04, 03:20 PM
By the way, in case anyone's confused: This is Pennsylvania state politics. Fumo is a state senator (and a major load).

CRM114
10-08-04, 03:21 PM
Who calls someone a faggot that is older than an 8th grader?

Well, there are some on this forum that don't mind calling women "whores" either.

Thor Simpson
10-08-04, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by General Zod
he apologized for "a very unfortunate word choice. ... I am especially sorry about using the term because it is not the way I feel in my heart toward gays."
Whew. If, in his heart, he felt that gays were like <i>republicans</i> that really <i>would</i> be offensive to gays.

Thor Simpson
10-08-04, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by CRM114
Who calls someone a faggot that is older than an 8th grader? Um... gay people? I guess it's like blacks using the N word or something.

Tracer Bullet
10-08-04, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Thor Simpson
Um... gay people? I guess it's like blacks using the N word or something.

Um... what? I have never heard this.

CRM114
10-08-04, 03:44 PM
Yeah really. I never heard that either.

But my point was that we can all think of words to call people when we are pissed. Jackass. Asshole. Prick. Dick. But faggot just seems like a schoolyard word that kids use before they fully understand the social ramifications of using such a word.

I suppose I'm just projecting my values on others...

JasonF
10-08-04, 03:48 PM
If you can think of a slur against gay people, by and large, the gay community will embrace it and make it their own. I've heard my gay friends call each other everything from queers to faggots to homos.

kvrdave
10-08-04, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by JasonF
If you can think of a slur against gay people, by and large, the gay community will embrace it and make it their own. I've heard my gay friends call each other everything from queers to faggots to homos.

That explains the Dixie Chicks calling their fans "whores" now.


Just for CRM :D

Myster X
10-08-04, 04:11 PM
Come on now!
Girlie men is more derogatory than faggot.

Trigger
10-08-04, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by CRM114
Who calls someone a faggot that is older than an 8th grader?

half the people on Xbox Live who are from the midwest and are planning on joining the Army so they can go kill people from another country. "faggot" is pretty much one of the main staples of their vocabulary.

dick_grayson
10-08-04, 04:30 PM
Yeah, Eminem uses it all the time. According to him, it doesn't have anything to do with gay people....it's just an insult.

nevermind
10-08-04, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
half the people on Xbox Live who are from the midwest and are planning on joining the Army so they can go kill people from another country. "faggot" is pretty much one of the main staples of their vocabulary.

you couldn't be any more specific?

Groucho
10-08-04, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
half the people on Xbox Live who are from the midwest and are planning on joining the Army so they can go kill people from another country. "faggot" is pretty much one of the main staples of their vocabulary. Hmm...they usually call me "n*gger."

Trigger
10-08-04, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
Hmm...they usually call me "n*gger." I get that one alot too with the handle "Trigger" they cleverly change the T to an N. So smart these kids.

Venusian
10-08-04, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
I get that one alot too with the handle "Trigger" they cleverly change the T to an N. So smart these kids. nrigger?

brizz
10-08-04, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by dork
By the way, in case anyone's confused: This is Pennsylvania state politics. Fumo is a state senator (and a major load).

Yes, and apparently there's quite the uproar in Big Beaver.

kvrdave
10-08-04, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Venusian
nrigger?

:lol:

Stooooopid.

:lol:

kvrdave
10-08-04, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by brizz
Yes, and apparently there's quite the uproar in Big Beaver.
<img src=http://www.beavis-butthead.ru/pictures1/laugh.jpg>

Trigger
10-08-04, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Venusian
nrigger? -rolleyes- Here's a few dots for you to connect...

Tracer Bullet
10-08-04, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by JasonF
If you can think of a slur against gay people, by and large, the gay community will embrace it and make it their own. I've heard my gay friends call each other everything from queers to faggots to homos.

I've never heard of this... but I'm not up on my gay community lingo, either. Mostly, I've heard ***.

Edit: You can probably guess what I wrote there.

JasonF
10-08-04, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by brizz
Yes, and apparently there's quite the uproar in Big Beaver.

You wouldn't expect there to be a big gay community in Big Beaver ...

Don't forget to tip your waitresses, folks!

DRG
10-08-04, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by CRM114
Who calls someone a faggot that is older than an 8th grader?

My thoughts exactly. Why not just call him "gaywad" while he's at it?

wmansir
10-08-04, 06:34 PM
I elected you people to try to get a little legislation passed, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!

nevermind
10-08-04, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by wmansir
I elected you people to try to get a little legislation passed, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!

http://course1.winona.msus.edu/pjohnson/h140/studentsf01/blazingsaddles/blazin5.jpg

Thor Simpson
10-08-04, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by DRG
My thoughts exactly. Why not just call him "gaywad" while he's at it?
rotfl!