Having watched both the original and special edition I must say that the special edition trilogy is much better than the original trilogy. The pacing is much better, it looks much more realistic and some scenes add more depth to the characters like the one with Jabba.
The reversed stereo mix is weird, but in no way changes anything about the movie.
And Greedo shooting first or Han shooting first doesn't make a damn difference to me I don't know why everyone is crying about that so much.
Overall, the special edition kicks the original's arse.
KnightLerxst
09-27-04, 01:50 PM
I hope you are wearing asbestos pants.
brianluvdvd
09-27-04, 01:54 PM
Hey...I don't care if people like the new versions better than the old ones. I just wish the original versions were available. Enjoy.
jiggawhat
09-27-04, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by KnightLerxst
I hope you are wearing asbestos pants.
Locked and loaded.
Fok
09-27-04, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by brianluvdvd
Hey...I don't care if people like the new versions better than the old ones. I just wish the original versions were available. Enjoy.
I agree that both versions are great and we need the choice.
Josh H
09-27-04, 02:12 PM
I like them as well. I wish greedo didn't shoot at all (but the new scene with them shooting at the same time is much better) and the Jabba scene is pointless, but neither bother me enough to impair my enjoyment of the movies.
The other changes I really like, especially the touched up and new special effects. I just wish they'd touch everything up (i.e. Luke's lightsaber changing colors in ANH).
FunkDaddy J
09-27-04, 02:13 PM
Yeah, I have no problem that anyone might prefer the new cuts. If you like these versions better, you're in the majority, I guess.
I'd just like to have nice DVD versions of the films I originally fell in love with. I can enjoy these new DVDs for what they are, but I can still feel regret and frustration and occasionally anger for what could have been. Oh well.
Shannon Nutt
09-27-04, 03:34 PM
Doesn't make any difference if the SE's are 100 times better than the originals - from a film history perspective, fans and students of cinema deserve to have the originals available on a quality format such as DVD.
MJKTool
09-27-04, 03:38 PM
I prefer the SE additions as well......except the ROTJ dance number at Jabba's palace. Thats the only thing that bugs me. Everything else is great.
KnightLerxst
09-27-04, 03:48 PM
Cleaned up fx. Good...especially during the first Death Star battle.
Greedo...better in this version...I can overlook it.
Cutting out the magnesium flares on Imperials...very stupid.
Rammsteinfan
09-27-04, 04:30 PM
I think Empire has the best changes/additions.
KnightLerxst
09-27-04, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Rammsteinfan
I think Empire has the best changes/additions.
IMO the only thing that needed to be cleaned up in that movie was matte lines and a few messed up fx shots.
Everything else was perfect.
TylerDurden_73
09-27-04, 05:02 PM
Neither version is flawless...there should be a choice.
DavidH
09-27-04, 06:07 PM
I prefer the SE additions as well......except the ROTJ dance number at Jabba's palace.
That scene definitely bugs me the most. I don't mind the other additions so much.
jiggawhat
09-27-04, 07:49 PM
The only change I don't think works is adding Hayden at the end of ROTJ. Since both Yoda's and Obi-wan's ghosts are when they are old. It makes sense to make Anakin an old ghost.
darkside
09-27-04, 07:59 PM
Don't really care which version people prefer. I just want both available. I like the new SE better than the '97 version minus all the ANH audio screw ups.
fumanstan
09-27-04, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by jiggawhat
The only change I don't think works is adding Hayden at the end of ROTJ. Since both Yoda's and Obi-wan's ghosts are when they are old. It makes sense to make Anakin an old ghost.
The explanation thats been posted a few times that makes sense to me is that Anakin appears young because thats when he was still a Jedi. I'm fine with that.
jim_cook87
09-27-04, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by fumanstan
The explanation thats been posted a few times that makes sense to me is that Anakin appears young because thats when he was still a Jedi. I'm fine with that.
That explanation does not work. Anakin could not have become one with the Force and appeared as a Jedi ghost if he had not redeemed himself (regaining his Jedi status) by turning his back to the Dark Side and saving Luke in the end. Anakin died a Jedi.
It also makes no sense for Anakin to appear to Luke as a ghost he would not recognize.
calhoun07
09-27-04, 11:40 PM
Lucas really should have tried to figure out a way to get Han to not walk on Jabba's tail. It just takes me out of the scene. And I could also live without the dance sequence in ROTJ. Other than that, I think the SEs are tremendously entertaining and I love them, but the only thing I wished is that we actually got MORE changes (not to piss off the fans, but to add to the movie, like the Biggs/Luke scene on Tatooine) and that we also got the original cuts. I know if Lucas gave us the original cuts on DVD, all the bad buzz about the changes would fall off the face of Internet message boards. At least most of it would.
fumanstan
09-28-04, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by jim_cook87
That explanation does not work. Anakin could not have become one with the Force and appeared as a Jedi ghost if he had not redeemed himself (regaining his Jedi status) by turning his back to the Dark Side and saving Luke in the end. Anakin died a Jedi.
It also makes no sense for Anakin to appear to Luke as a ghost he would not recognize.
That's fine, but personally i think thats just nitpicking details, especially since i don't know any, nor do i care for any of the specifics regarding the requirements for becoming a ghost. Maybe Anakin redeemed himself but doesn't regain his Jedi status. Shrug.
Also, i don't think it would be too hard for Luke to know who the person is. It seems that he can feel who his family is within, like Leia and Vader as his father. Again, just a small change thats no big deal at all to me.
ENDContra
09-28-04, 05:25 AM
Well I didnt like the Anakin replacement scene simply because while Obi-Wan is smiling and happy, the young Anakin looks kinda pissed. In fact, I think most of the changes I dont like are in ROTJ. First of all, all of the music changes in Jabbas Palace stink...the original music fit in much better. There seems to be a "lets see how many weird creatures we can pack into this movie" take on things as well, and I really dont like how the Sarlac makes me think of Little Shop of Horrors. The celebrations scenes at the end is the only time in the entire trilogy that someone who has limited their Star Wars universe to those three films would say "what the hell is that?"...plus being completely CGI in a movie that is still mostly real sets is kinda distracting...it has this "Hey look, this is a new scene!!" feel to it.
Feathers McGraw
09-28-04, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Jason Bovberg
Yeah, I have no problem that anyone might prefer the new cuts. If you like these versions better, you're in the majority, I guess.
I completely disagree. I think time has shown the vast majority is in the "don't care" category, where they'd buy it anyways. There's only a small minority in the "won't buy the SE" and "won't buy the OT" categories.
If he'd released the original, just cleaned it up, sales would have been exactly the same.
Rivero
09-29-04, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by jiggawhat
Overall, the special edition kicks the original's arse.
You're obviously just trying to start shit for the sake of starting shit. I'd chew you out but someone who posts this is obviously not serious.
MJKTool
09-29-04, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Rivero
You're obviously just trying to start shit for the sake of starting shit. I'd chew you out but someone who posts this is obviously not serious.
Why the hell would he be trying to start shit? Guess what.... not all people have the same opinion as you. And your opinion doesnt make you *right*. Holy shit! Get over yourself already!
mjlukich
09-29-04, 03:08 PM
Re: Re: The Special Edition trilogy is better than the original trilogy!
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Originally posted by Rivero
You're obviously just trying to start shit for the sake of starting shit. I'd chew you out but someone who posts this is obviously not serious.
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Originally posted by MJKTool
Why the hell would he be trying to start shit? Guess what.... not all people have the same opinion as you. And your opinion doesnt make you *right*. Holy shit! Get over yourself already!
I think what Rivero is getting at is that the odds of someone who is enough of a fan to seek out and post in a dedicated Star Wars forum actually preferring the SE's over the originals are very slim. Sure, there are probably plenty of Joe Sixpack types who think that the golly-gee whiz-bang factor of the added special effects automatically make the SEs superior. But then those people are the ones who buy the fullscreen sets, and they don't generally post in forums.
Josh H
09-29-04, 03:19 PM
No Rivero just doesn't respect others opinions, especially when it comes to star wars, and is just coming of a suspension for just that reason.
MJKTool
09-29-04, 03:29 PM
Oh brother.
I love how you purists think your opinion has to be correct and everyone who disagree's with you is a "joe sixpack, full screen lovin idiot"
Well golly gee wiz mjlukich, this beer drinkin redneck has about 2 <strike>fullscreen</strike> foolscreen dvd's in his collection of about 250 and I's prefer tha Special Erditions!
jiggawhat
09-29-04, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Rivero
You're obviously just trying to start shit for the sake of starting shit. I'd chew you out but someone who posts this is obviously not serious.
First off -- you are wrong. I don't make posts to start shit. Look at my history of posts and look at your history of posts. You will see the difference.
Second of all, I was hoping people who actually liked the new special edition would post in with their comments. Obviously, this isn't the case.
And if anyone is making a post to start shit it's you.
Anyway, I really liked new changed trilogy compared to the old one. There really aren't that many changes that warrant the kind of attention that these movies have gotten. The only one I had a problem with is putting Hayden at the end of ROTJ out of respect for the original actor. However, the changes do not bother me and they actually make sense in some cases.
jiggawhat
09-29-04, 05:48 PM
It's a good thing I got those asbestos pants on.
tacomantt
09-29-04, 07:54 PM
Good Burger is better than the Trilogy - old or new.
darkside
09-29-04, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by tacomantt
Good Burger is better than the Trilogy - old or new.
Hell Ya! :banana:
Give it up for the Good Burger: Criterion Collection.
Dead
09-29-04, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Rivero
You're obviously just trying to start shit for the sake of starting shit. I'd chew you out but someone who posts this is obviously not serious.
Are you trying to get banned? Given that you were very recently suspended for threadcrapping, I would highly suggest that you think twice about making any other post that even remotely resembles a threadcrap.
naitram
09-30-04, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by jiggawhat
Locked and loaded.
Originally posted by jiggawhat
It's a good thing I got those asbestos pants on.
Ok, I'm not trying to "threadcrap" or whatever you call it, because this is an open forum and anyone can have whatever opinion they want.
But when you say that you wanted people to post in here who also like the SE's better, but then you make comments like the ones I quoted, you really come off sounding like you want people to disagree with you and get in your face about it, creating (another *sigh*) big drama thread.
I just think the persecution of the guy who said jiggawhat was trying to "start shit" is a little unjustified, as there have been 2 taunting posts by jiggawhat already in here.
My opinion, delete it if you want.
jiggawhat
09-30-04, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by naitram
Ok, I'm not trying to "threadcrap" or whatever you call it, because this is an open forum and anyone can have whatever opinion they want.
But when you say that you wanted people to post in here who also like the SE's better, but then you make comments like the ones I quoted, you really come off sounding like you want people to disagree with you and get in your face about it, creating (another *sigh*) big drama thread.
I just think the persecution of the guy who said jiggawhat was trying to "start shit" is a little unjustified, as there have been 2 taunting posts by jiggawhat already in here.
My opinion, delete it if you want.
First off, I am not going to let some random guy/girl start making accusations about what he/she "thinks" I said. I am not the type of person to let that go on.
Second, those comments were in direct reference to the second post. Obviously, you must have missed that. Or did you take those quotes to make your opinion a little more valid. What was the first post I made?
The Special Edition trilogy is better than the original trilogy!
Having watched both the original and special edition I must say that the special edition trilogy is much better than the original trilogy. The pacing is much better, it looks much more realistic and some scenes add more depth to the characters like the one with Jabba.
The reversed stereo mix is weird, but in no way changes anything about the movie.
And Greedo shooting first or Han shooting first doesn't make a damn difference to me I don't know why everyone is crying about that so much.
Overall, the special edition kicks the original's arse.
Hmmm... Doesn't look like a taunting post to me. Or does it? I guess Rivero thought that.
Like I said, I don't post to start shit. You can look at my history of posts. You won't find anything.
Yes, you do have an opinion, however, whether it's the right one is for everyone else to decide.
Rivero
09-30-04, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by jiggawhat
First off, I am not going to let some random guy/girl start making accusations about what he/she "thinks" I said. I am not the type of person to let that go on.
Second, those comments were in direct reference to the second post. Obviously, you must have missed that. Or did you take those quotes to make your opinion a little more valid. What was the first post I made?
Hmmm... Doesn't look like a taunting post to me. Or does it? I guess Rivero thought that.
Like I said, I don't post to start shit. You can look at my history of posts. You won't find anything.
Yes, you do have an opinion, however, whether it's the right one is for everyone else to decide.
I never said your post was "taunting". Maybe I over-reacted, but Star Wars tends to bring that out from me. Always has. It's called passion so fuck it, I say. Anyways, I'm sure I don't have to tell you that these are three of the most beloved movies ever. You create a thread with "the Special Editions kick the original version's ass!" then you damn well better be able to back that up with some valid reasons.
How exactly is "the pacing much better"? Footage has been added to these films, not taken so that assessment makes no sense. Extraneous, unneeded footage at that.
How does the new Jabba scene "add more depth to the character"? The scene didn't reveal anything we already didn't know. We already knew there was a bounty on Han's head, no reason to reiterate the obvious. If anything it took away from Jabba. Not only did it ruin the reveal in Jedi of this gangster who we've been hearing so much about throughout the films but it makes him look like an innocuous, pathetic pushover. Solo taunts him and walks on the slug's tail without batting an eye. THIS is the character Solo has been afraid and running from for so long?? Over the course of two movies? "If I don't pay off Jabba the Hutt I'm a dead man". THis is the guy that convinces Solo to eschew his General title on Hoth and leave his friends? The scene also doesn't do much for Boba Fett, gratuitously dropped in as a bone to Fett fans. It just makes him look like Jabba's bitch, some guy who's always at his side at every waking moment ready to receive his next assignment.
As for the Han/Greedo debacle: Lucas says he doesn't want Han to look like a "cold-blooded murderer". Greedo was there to kill Han. He shoots.....and misses FROM TWO FEET AWAY. I don't need to add anything else. The complaints are more than justified.
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