U2, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, Randy Newman and the O'Jays are among the nominees for the 2005 induction class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They are joined on the ballot by the Pretenders, Buddy Guy, Wanda Jackson, the J. Geils Band, Conway Twitty and Percy Sledge.
The Sex Pistols, the Stooges, Lynyrd Skynyrd and the late Gram Parsons were previously nominated but remain on this year's ballot.
Artists become eligible 25 years after the release of their first recording. A Foundation committee nominates eligible artists, who are then voted on by an international body of about 700 music experts. Results will be announced in December, with the induction to take place next spring.
The 2004 induction class featured Prince, Bob Seger, ZZ Top, Jackson Browne and the late George Harrison, among others.
Burnt Alive
09-14-04, 01:17 AM
:hscratch: J. Geils Band????? WTF?!? :hscratch:
Yet another year without Dick Dale on the ballot....
Wanda Jackson better get in.
Decker
09-14-04, 01:55 AM
How on God's green earth did The Sex Pistols get passed over?????
Grandmaster Flash is a bigger nominee than The Pretenders?????
Well, at least U2 will go in on a high note (appently) with a strong album just released. Can't really believe they've been around a quarter century. Damn, I'm old.
Dubya
09-14-04, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Burnt Alive
:hscratch: J. Geils Band????? WTF?!? :hscratch:
That one reeks of Jann Wenner's influence on the voting process. I'm not sure of his exact title but I know he has some big position with regards to voting. That may explain why he himself was inducted last year ;) Anyways, Peter Wolf (lead singer of J. Geils) is a good friend of his and was sitting at his table at last year's induction ceremony. To be fair John Mellencamp (who was also sitting at his table) is also a close friend of his and apparently he is not even on the ballot this year, so who knows?
I'm not really a fan of metal but the fact that Black Sabbath is not in is a farce.
wm lopez
09-14-04, 06:45 AM
O.k. I understood why Van Halen wasn't picked last time since none of the lead singers were talkin to the band and the Hall didn't want the 1st band not to show up at the Hal. But now that the group is back together what's the reason for not puttin' them in this time?
Their 1st record came out in 1978!!!!
Gil Jawetz
09-15-04, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Decker
Grandmaster Flash is a bigger nominee than The Pretenders?????
That's not shocking. They're both important but only Grandmaster Flash had a hand in changing the history of music (and culture as a whole)
For the Pistols not to be inducted the first time is ridiculous, altho they can always laugh at the fact that they will inevitably be hall of fame artists with one album under their belts!
J. Geils.. whatev.
Jason
09-15-04, 06:48 PM
I know a lot of people like him, and he'll most likely get in, but I feel it is my sacred duty to proclaim that I fucking hate Randy Newman. :mad:
And once again, where's Rush, KISS, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc...
Burnt Alive
09-15-04, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Jason
I know a lot of people like him, and he'll most likely get in, but I feel it is my sacred duty to proclaim that I fucking hate Randy Newman. :mad:
I couldn't have put that better, myself.
Obey The D
09-15-04, 07:14 PM
Once again Black Sabbath gets the shaft. :(
Gil Jawetz
09-15-04, 07:30 PM
Is Randy Newman rock in ANY way?
No Black Sabbath is a frickin joke. Once bands that ripped them off start getting in instead of them we'll have a problem.
conscience
09-15-04, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Decker
How on God's green earth did Lynyrd Skynyrd get passed over?????
You're tellin' me.
tommyp007
09-15-04, 09:02 PM
Conway twitty :up:
(seriously, I'm a big fan)
scarredgod
09-16-04, 02:26 AM
even though i like the Sex Pistols, they should NEVER go in, at least not as a band. maybe in some classic album category. sorry, a band that was together for like 2 years and made one album, and were total poseurs should not go in. theyre the punk rock spice girls.
Osiris
09-17-04, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Jason
I know a lot of people like him, and he'll most likely get in, but I feel it is my sacred duty to proclaim that I fucking hate Randy Newman. :mad:
And once again, where's Rush, KISS, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc...
I agree, WTF?
Mr. M
09-17-04, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by scarredgod
even though i like the Sex Pistols, they should NEVER go in, at least not as a band. maybe in some classic album category.
Like it or not, the Sex Pistols changed rock and roll by forcing punk rock into public consciousness.
Originally posted by scarredgod
sorry, a band that was together for like 2 years and made one album, and were total poseurs should not go in. theyre the punk rock spice girls.
-ohbfrank-
Artificial like the spice girls? Sure.
The face of a cultural movement that still echoes nearly 30 years later? Not bloody likely.
And Sabbath absolutely deserves to be inducted as well.
DonnachaOne
09-17-04, 01:01 AM
THIS THREAD MAKES ME FEEL VERY, VERY OLD
mike harnish
09-20-04, 10:28 AM
Don't remember where or when I read this--I think when they were on the ballot the first time--but I'm pretty sure the Sex Pistols have said that they don't want to be nominated and, if chosen, would refuse to participate, or refuse the induction, or something along those lines.
I'm sorry, but U2 does not belong in the Rock 'N Roll hall of fame.
If they get in then Cheap Trick should get in.
Brain Stew
09-21-04, 11:19 AM
How come Joy Divison is not in any nominations? Their first 12" came out in 78 and album in 79. It's been 25 years since the album.
bardevious
09-21-04, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
I'm sorry, but U2 does not belong in the Rock 'N Roll hall of fame.
Just curious- why doesn't U2 belong in the Rock 'N Roll HOF?
cdollaz
09-21-04, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
I'm sorry, but U2 does not belong in the Rock 'N Roll hall of fame.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Achtung
09-23-04, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Brain Stew
How come Joy Divison is not in any nominations? Their first 12" came out in 78 and album in 79. It's been 25 years since the album.
Yeah but they'll probably go in (assuming they make it) as New Order.
Captain Harlock
09-23-04, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by bardevious
Just curious- why doesn't U2 belong in the Rock 'N Roll HOF?
Because while they are "popular" they really haven't been all that influential. At least I don't hear thier influence anywhere. Someone like The Ramones never sold huge amounts of records but they kicked off the punk movement and inspire bands even today such as Green Day and the Foo Fighters. An even better example is Big Star. Alex Chilton influenced people like REM, the Replacements, Nirvana, Matthew Sweet and others (speaking of Nirvana, Kurt Cobain was quoted in a Rolling Stone interview that he always wanted to have the fame of a John Lennon but the anonymity of a George Harrison or Bun E. Carlos...).
Burnt Alive
09-24-04, 12:08 AM
U2 is a hell of a lot more influential than the J. Geils Band.
If you want to nitpick, you picked the wrong band.
Kerborus
09-24-04, 01:49 AM
Captain Harlock is way off base about U2 and he knows it. Joshua Tree is one of the most known albums the world over. U2 is the greatest rock band on the face of the planet (see sales, fan reviews, critical reviews, tour sales, etc.). Name one band that has lasted as long as U2 with the success they have had that isn't in the R&R hall of fame?
The Edge is one of the most influential guitar players that ever lived. He invented an entire sound for the guitar and it can be heard being copied EVERYWHERE. See radiohead, for example.
Bono was named the most powerful man in music last year.
I think that with that statement, you were either trying to start a flame war or are truly ignorant regarding U2 and their place in R&R history.
Gil Jawetz
09-24-04, 07:20 AM
Whether you like them or not, U2 are hugely influential. Just ask Radiohead or Coldplay, to name the first two HUGE bands that spring to mind.
Tommy_Harn
09-24-04, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
Someone like The Ramones never sold huge amounts of records but they kicked off the punk movement
Well, U2 influenced (or should I say inspired) Joey Ramone enough to the point that he was listening to "In a Little While" when he passed away.
Anybody who goes that far out of their way to criticize U2 just wants their favorite band to have the success that they do.
Captain Harlock
09-24-04, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by Kerborus
Captain Harlock is way off base about U2 and he knows it. Joshua Tree is one of the most known albums the world over. U2 is the greatest rock band on the face of the planet (see sales, fan reviews, critical reviews, tour sales, etc.). Name one band that has lasted as long as U2 with the success they have had that isn't in the R&R hall of fame?
The Edge is one of the most influential guitar players that ever lived. He invented an entire sound for the guitar and it can be heard being copied EVERYWHERE. See radiohead, for example.
Bono was named the most powerful man in music last year.
I think that with that statement, you were either trying to start a flame war or are truly ignorant regarding U2 and their place in R&R history.
I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm merely stating MY opinion.
Successful or not, I think that there are other artists/bands that have been and are MORE influencial than U2 has ever been. If we are to talk about people being "influential" then why isn't T. Rex's Marc Bolan in the Rock 'N Roll HOF? His guitar sound was mimiced, even to this day, by the likes of the Rolling Stones (most prominently on thier song "It's Only Rock 'N Roll") and on John Lennon's "New York City" (when you're influencing those two heavy hitters that's no small accomplishment). He also started the Glam Rock movement in the early 70's in the U.K. which started an entire fashion movement, and was responsible for the "look" later adopted by David Bowie, Queen, and Elton John. Also as I said with Alex Chilton and Big Star you can make a better case. The Chicago Tribune has called them "The most influential group in pop music, outside of the Beatles". You can hear thier sound and see thier song writing influecning scores of artists. But I doubt that they are ever going to be in the Rock N' Roll HOF.
And as "poweful" as Bono is, why hasn't he joined Eddie Vedder and spoken out about how Clear Channel is trying to dominate the radio industry. He's spoken out about corporate responsibility but I don't ever recall him saying a word about Clear Channel. If he is as powerful as you say then he could really change the industry.
Again it's only MY opinion. Take it with the proverbial grain of salt
cdollaz
09-24-04, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm merely stating MY opinion.
Successful or not, I think that there are other artists/bands that have been and are MORE influencial than U2 has ever been. If we are to talk about people being "influential" then why isn't T. Rex's Marc Bolan in the Rock 'N Roll HOF? His guitar sound was mimiced, even to this day, by the likes of the Rolling Stones (most prominently on thier song "It's Only Rock 'N Roll") and on John Lennon's "New York City" (when you're influencing those two heavy hitters that's no small accomplishment). He also started the Glam Rock movement in the early 70's in the U.K. which started an entire fashion movement, and was responsible for the "look" later adopted by David Bowie, Queen, and Elton John. Also as I said with Alex Chilton and Big Star you can make a better case. The Chicago Tribune has called them "The most influential group in pop music, outside of the Beatles". You can hear thier sound and see thier song writing influecning scores of artists. But I doubt that they are ever going to be in the Rock N' Roll HOF.
And as "poweful" as Bono is, why hasn't he joined Eddie Vedder and spoken out about how Clear Channel is trying to dominate the radio industry. He's spoken out about corporate responsibility but I don't ever recall him saying a word about Clear Channel. If he is as powerful as you say then he could really change the industry.
Again it's only MY opinion. Take it with the proverbial grain of salt
What the hell does any of that have to do with U2 getting into the HOF? Just because some other artist may deserve to go in doesn't mean that U2 doesn't. And the Clear Channel stuff makes no sense as it has nothing to do with music really.
dick_grayson
09-24-04, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
Well, U2 influenced (or should I say inspired) Joey Ramone enough to the point that he was listening to "In a Little While" when he passed away.
He pointed it out as he was passing away? WTF???:hscratch:
Captain Harlock
09-24-04, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by cdollaz
What the hell does any of that have to do with U2 getting into the HOF? Just because some other artist may deserve to go in doesn't mean that U2 doesn't. And the Clear Channel stuff makes no sense as it has nothing to do with music really.
It was in response to the previous statment that claimed I was trying to start a "flame war". I'm stating that there are other artists who's influence has further reach than thier's and are yet not in the Rock 'N Roll HOF. Is there a place for U2 in the Rock 'N Roll HOF? Perhaps, but there are people who most likely should be in BEFORE them.
As far as the Clear Channel issue, it has ALOT to do with music. Perhaps if Bono criticises Clear Channel that would mean he would no longer be able to get one of his records played on any of thier 1,500 radio stations across this nation of ours. And since many arenas/stadiums are operated by (you guessed it) Clear Channel Inc. they would most likely be shut out of alot of good paying gigs as well. But that's a topic for another thread.
Like I said, it's only MY opinion. We may disagree from time to time, but we can at least agree to differ.
Note: edited for spelling
Burnt Alive
09-24-04, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
Again it's only MY opinion. Take it with the proverbial grain of salt
OK, no problem. But out of all the nominees listed this year, why single out U2?
bardevious
09-24-04, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by dick_grayson
He pointed it out as he was passing away? WTF???:hscratch:
I think the meaning of the original post was quite clear- Joey Ramone was listening to the song as he passed on. Nothing ambigous about it.
dick_grayson
09-24-04, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by bardevious
I think the meaning of the original post was quite clear- Joey Ramone was listening to the song as he passed on. Nothing ambigous about it.
not at all. I get it, though.
Captain Harlock
09-24-04, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Burnt Alive
OK, no problem. But out of all the nominees listed this year, why single out U2?
Because they were the first name that jumped out on that list.
Quite frankly I don't think any of the other artists should be admitted either.
Tommy_Harn
09-24-04, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by dick_grayson
not at all. I get it, though.
Bono talked about this on the "Elevation" DVD. I assume somebody in Ramone's family told him after the fact.
Kerborus
09-26-04, 01:03 AM
If Harlock doesn't think U2 is worthy than I think we should close down the hall of fame... Perhaps he could open one in his basement and admit only the bands that he deems influential.
Despite your ramblings above (why would Bono care about Clear Channel? He lives in Ireland... And why do other people who are more influential prevent other artists from being admitted??? If this was the case, admit the Beatles and close the Hall...) you haven't shown that U2 is not qualified for the Hall.
Do some research, ask people in the know, and study your R&R history and you will see how ridiculous your opinion is.
wm lopez
09-26-04, 07:59 AM
No bitchin' about no Van Halen?
Gil Jawetz
09-26-04, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Kerborus
If Harlock doesn't think U2 is worthy than I think we should close down the hall of fame...
I agree with everything you're saying except Bono certainly does know about Clear Channel. He actually lives in NYC most of the time but the thing about Bono the activist is that he carefully picks his battles. I recently saw an interview where they asked "Why do you go to Bush functions? Why are you at the RNC?" and he said "I'm raising money for AIDS and 3rd world debt and money knows no political sides. If I can get them to help out then I'll give them face time."
None of that should impact his RRHOF eligibillity, however. And Marc Bolan, great as he was, cannot be compared to U2, who have been among the defining rock acts of 3 consecutive decades.
cactusoly
09-28-04, 01:14 AM
No Alice Cooper, No Black Sabbath, No Deep Purple, No Kiss ... this is not my Rock N Roll Hall of Fame
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