There are about 10-12 active threads on this it seems at all times. I've seen about 3 new ones today.
I think a good preemptive move would be to create a sub-forum now. When its released, there'll be threads started daily on A New Hope, then on Empire Strikes Back, then on Return of the Jedi, then on the bonus disk. There will be sub threads for all of these movies. Some threads will discuss the changes, some the movie, etc. All will be threadcrapped to hell (I'll be guilty of it myself).
To prevent general threadcrappers and complainers from whining about the amount of Star Wars thread, I think this would be a good idea.
It is one of the most anticipated (if not THE most) DVDs of all time; yet it's 3 DVDs at once so naturally there is 3 times the excitement and information to discuss.
If there is a more "formal" way for me to propose this, please let me know.
matome
09-13-04, 03:00 PM
Sounds good to me.
Kal-El
09-13-04, 03:06 PM
I concur. This is STAR WARS on DVD.
Get Me Coffee
09-13-04, 03:07 PM
a subform with threads all locked.....that's what it will look like. I would say close to 90% of all Star Wars threads end up closed.
Toad
09-13-04, 03:12 PM
Hopefully this would prevent that. In my opinion, threads should be locked when there are personal attacks and/or threadcrapping (which I have been guilty of in the past).
The point of a sub-forum is to discourage bashers and crappers from entering, thereby making locking unnecessary.
100% of all Star Wars threads have been in either Movie Talk or DVD Talk, where lots of anti-Star Wars people hang out. We have yet to see what percentage would be locked if the DVDs are given their own, albeit temporary, space.
Jackskeleton
09-13-04, 03:59 PM
Thread crappers and bashers will still run wild in there discussing how their childhood was raped and they are walking funny. It will just make it easier for them to find the threads.
Toad
09-13-04, 04:12 PM
And easier for those who don't have to wade through all the Star Wars threads on the general page.
Sierra Disc
09-13-04, 05:41 PM
Please do this. I don't want to wade through 38 threads like "Is the wookie hairier in the SE than in the originals" and "What was the first thing you ate after watching your new Star Wars DVDs?"
Get Me Coffee
09-13-04, 05:56 PM
c'mon you don't like threads such as "how will you watch star wars on DVD?" ;)
What I think should happen is that a thread needs to be open for the people who love star wars blindly and star wars haters threads for those who feel "raped". This would split up the groups so each can talk about star wars in there own fashion.
I created a favorite actor/actress bashing thread which was structured in in a way where you and pin point where the hate started and vent about it. I thought it was a succuss, wasn't closed...and looking back, it was really funny.
Having these threads could reduce the clash with the fanboys with the "Lucas raped boys"
Jackskeleton
09-13-04, 06:06 PM
I think the "How will you watch star wars on dvd" is one of the dumbest threads around. Do we really need to know or even care about what the actions of each other will be around the event of watching a god damn dvd? ugh.
GET ME COFFEE, That thread already had been tried with the haters only thread and the Lovers only thread. It didn't work because it's a discussion board, not a circle jerk.
Toad
09-14-04, 03:10 PM
I appreciate everyone's input, but am surprised a moderator hasn't responded to my request one way or the other.
Sierra Disc
09-14-04, 03:58 PM
The dark side is strong in these moderators. ;)
Rogue588
09-14-04, 04:55 PM
You sure they're not suffering from a low midiclorian count..? :p
GuessWho
09-14-04, 05:34 PM
moderator$ raped the $ubforum
Get Me Coffee
09-14-04, 05:42 PM
They sure work fast with locking threads and suspending.
Kal-El
09-14-04, 05:50 PM
They're probably discussing it over with Geoff. It's different with locking threads and suspending. This isn't really something that's time-critical. We still have a week. When they learn about a problematic thread or member, it's probably almost always past the point of "redemption" so they have to act quickly.
Originally posted by Sierra Disc
The dark side is strong in these moderators. ;)
Shouldn't that be....
"Strong in these moderators, the dark side is"
;)
GuessWho
09-14-04, 11:22 PM
Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to thread locks. Locks lead to... banning.
Get Me Coffee
09-14-04, 11:46 PM
:lol: give it to those scruffy-looking nerf-herders
Jackskeleton
09-15-04, 05:03 AM
Can I just restate that making threads for haters and threads for lovers only is a terrible idea. the whole point is that it's a discussion and not a circle jerk. Folks just need to learn how to express their anger differently then "Luca$ rap3d my childhood"
Toad
09-15-04, 08:41 AM
And can I further restate that your reason is not the sole reason for creating a sub-forum (not a thread). The chief reason for doing so is that I believe the DVD Talk forum will be overrun with Star Wars threads in the coming days. A secondary reason is to deter threadcrappers.
I'm not familiar with the distinction of a thread as a circle jerk - but I do know that many times when people think they are having a "discussion" is leads to a locked thread. Which then inevitably leads to a re-opening of that thread.
Will a sub-forum stop this? No - but as I said, it may deter it. Again, that's not the chief reason. The main reason is benefit all the people who don't care about Star Wars but aren't bored enough to click on the threads. They won't be overwhelmed by the number of hypothetical threads if they're invisible.
fumanstan
09-15-04, 11:48 AM
I vote for a sub forum.
Josh H
09-15-04, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Toad
And can I further restate that your reason is not the sole reason for creating a sub-forum (not a thread). The chief reason for doing so is that I believe the DVD Talk forum will be overrun with Star Wars threads in the coming days. A secondary reason is to deter threadcrappers.
Exactly.
Threadcrappers need to be immediately suspended if they thread crap in that subforum, the mods should post a thread stating so as soon as the forum goes up.
There can be debate threads in there, where haters can say what they don't like about the movies, and others can defend them, etc.
Just suspend anyone that takes bashing outside of these threads into more general threads not actively debating the quality of the movie (which is the very definition of a thread crap).
Get Me Coffee
09-15-04, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Exactly.
Threadcrappers need to be immediately suspended if they thread crap in that subforum, the mods should post a thread stating so as soon as the forum goes up.
There can be debate threads in there, where haters can say what they don't like about the movies, and others can defend them, etc.
Just suspend anyone that takes bashing outside of these threads into more general threads not actively debating the quality of the movie (which is the very definition of a thread crap).
Wow that would make dvdtalk such a great place -rolleyes-
....
You guys just need to ignore the damn threadcrapper! :mad: You only make it worst when you engage in pointless debate with the troll. The threadcrapper leaves the shit, but you step in it and drag it through the thread.
You just need to act like the post isn’t even there. Can you do that? :hscratch:
Toad
09-15-04, 12:04 PM
Threadcrappers already take away from the fun of DVDtalk.
Josh H
09-15-04, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
Wow that would make dvdtalk such a great place -rolleyes-
Thread crapping needs to be enforced more harshly. People are free to bash SW and other movies till their hearts content--they just have to do it in the appropriate threads. That paraphrases how the thread crapping thread rule is explained in the thread in DVD talk. Too often it just goes ignored, even when posts are reported.
Review threads, threads asking whether people like the changes, etc. are the place for negative comments. Not general threads announcing what's going to be on the dvd, threads asking what people would like to see in a future re-release or any other examples you can think of where the point is not to discuss the merits of the film.
Josh H
09-15-04, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
You just need to act like the post isn’t even there. Can you do that? :hscratch:
I do totally. But threads still get pulled off topic. This is the net, the only place where a lot of people can be all macho and stand up for themselves. Thus you get people being rude and obnoxious (on both sides) and every thread gets pulled off topic, and ruined even for those of us that just ignore the losers (on both sides) as it becomes impossible to carry out an intelligent discusion in the midst of the inevitable flame wars.
That's why the mods need to step in and take care of the problem causers (on both sides) and thus allow normal discussion to flow.
Get Me Coffee
09-15-04, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Thread crapping needs to be enforced more harshly. People are free to bash SW and other movies till their hearts content--they just have to do it in the appropriate threads. That paraphrases how the thread crapping thread rule is explained in the thread in DVD talk. Too often it just goes ignored, even when posts are reported.
Review threads, threads asking whether people like the changes, etc. are the place for negative comments. Not general threads announcing what's going to be on the dvd, threads asking what people would like to see in a future re-release or any other examples you can think of where the point is not to discuss the merits of the film.
Simple solution...
JUST IGNORE THEM!
The quality of the thread goes way down once you BOTH start bitching back and forth.
Rogue588
09-15-04, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Not general threads announcing what's going to be on the dvd, threads asking what people would like to see in a future re-release or any other examples you can think of where the point is not to discuss the merits of the film. :hscratch: So, if someone were to say "I want everything that want every single thing that was CGI'd restored on a future re-release" that's considered a threadcrap?
Josh H
09-15-04, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
Simple solution...
JUST IGNORE THEM!
The quality of the thread goes way down once you BOTH start bitching back and forth.
See my post above, you edited your first post while I was responding.
Josh H
09-15-04, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Rogue588
:hscratch: So, if someone were to say "I want everything that want every single thing that was CGI'd restored on a future re-release" that's considered a threadcrap?
No that would be fine, as long as they didn't lace it with "luca$ sucks" comments.
Sue me, it wasn't the best example in the world, but you get the drift. Keep bashing comments in threads asking for opinions, and out of threads not discussing the quality of the movie.
Kal-El
09-15-04, 01:14 PM
GMC, I think the point that you're not getting is that there SHOULDN'T be anything to ignore in the first place if everyone posted where they should. Do you see the same problem in other threads? Not as much right? Because everyone knows the rules anyway. Put the words "Star Wars" in the mix though and for some reason everybody suddenly forgets it and feels the need to crap.
Get Me Coffee
09-15-04, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Kal-El
GMC, I think the point that you're not getting is that there SHOULDN'T be anything to ignore in the first place if everyone posted where they should. Do you see the same problem in other threads? Not as much right? Because everyone knows the rules anyway. Put the words "Star Wars" in the mix though and for some reason everybody suddenly forgets it and feels the need to crap.
You have NO control over other people...yes you can ban them. BUT more will reappear.
You DO have control over yourself. JUST IGNORE! The Mods will take care of it. You shouldn't worry about it.
fumanstan
09-15-04, 01:36 PM
Ignoring only goes so far. I agree we should be stricter on threadcrappers. Especially the 'ususal suspects' that we see do it on a consistant basis.
nodeerforamonth
09-16-04, 12:16 PM
Yeah, a sub-forum is NEEDED! They've done it for other major releases/movies (LOTR). It only makes sense.
PopcornTreeCt
09-16-04, 12:28 PM
I concur there needs to be a sub-forum immediately.
Sierra Disc
09-16-04, 01:20 PM
Nine threads on the front page this morning. Subforum please!
Johnny Zhivago
09-16-04, 01:35 PM
Sub-forum please. I know there's some threads over in Talk that <i>aren't</i> Star Wars related... Now, if someone could just identify those rare creatures...
ianholm
09-16-04, 01:43 PM
Now it's getting crazy. So many SW threads now. I mean come on, are we going to get threads now from everyone who gets the set early?
Obey The D
09-16-04, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Sierra Disc
Nine threads on the front page this morning. Subforum please!
:up: I was about to post the same thing as you. It's only going to get worse in the coming days. A Subforum would be a good idea.
LBCrazyFool
09-16-04, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Sierra Disc
Nine threads on the front page this morning. Subforum please!
:up: I am assuming it will at least double through the weekend...
Toad
09-16-04, 04:20 PM
Static Cling actually closed down a thread for no reason today, which I think is ridiculous. I thought threads only closed for inexusable behavior, not because there are too many threads.
If the moderators are concerned about this, they should create a subforum. I wish someone would respond in this thread; it has gone unnotced by moderators for at least 4 days.
Kal-El
09-16-04, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by LBCrazyFool
:up: I am assuming it will at least double through the weekend...
And triple by 9pm Pacific on tuesday. ;)
Jackskeleton
09-17-04, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by Toad
Static Cling actually closed down a thread for no reason today, which I think is ridiculous. I thought threads only closed for inexusable behavior, not because there are too many threads.
If the moderators are concerned about this, they should create a subforum. I wish someone would respond in this thread; it has gone unnotced by moderators for at least 4 days.
Threads are closed for many reasons. One being that discussion of the same material is already happening in another thread like it was in that one.
If you can throw your comments in an already existing thread, it saves a lot of room and is a better choice then starting up a whole new thread and clutter up the forum anymore then it already is.
Static Cling
09-17-04, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Toad
Static Cling actually closed down a thread for no reason today, which I think is ridiculous. I thought threads only closed for inexusable behavior, not because there are too many threads.
If the moderators are concerned about this, they should create a subforum. I wish someone would respond in this thread; it has gone unnotced by moderators for at least 4 days. Just because I didn't enunciate my reasons in the thread doesn't mean I didn't have a reason to close the thread. The thread in question was some guy posting about how he got his Star Wars DVDs. Woo hoo. Kind of a dead-end thread with not a lot of possibility for real discussion, in my opinion. I'd rather wait until the release date when people can discuss the discs together, instead of essentially posting "cool" or "you suck for getting them early."
I would rather close dead-end or repeat threads, which a lot of Star Wars threads have been, than make a subform when it's not necessary. Right now, there are only two or three Star Wars threads on page 1 in the Main Forum. The subforum might be necessary next Tuesday, but it's a little early to have one if we're going to have one (again, in my opinion... not speaking for Geoff or the other mods).
matome
09-17-04, 09:18 AM
:thumbsup: to Jack and Static Cling.
Toad
09-17-04, 09:33 AM
Thanks for posting Static Cling. I disagree that it's too early, and I disagree with the closing of that thread -- I stupidly tried to reply to it without realizing it was locked, wanting to ask if people had gotten the DVD at a B&M. So I think it was serving a purpose, but my opinion doesn't count and I'm cool with that.
You are right though - 2 or 3 threads on page one is certainly not a lot. But yesterday, there were 6-7. I bet in each of them someone made a comment like "oh great, another Star Wars thread" or something to that affect.
It's not a big deal one way or the other to me, but I can't see that actually making the sub-forum would be detrimental.
Anyway, thanks again for responding - I am happy that a moderator/administrator finally looked at the thread.
Get Me Coffee
09-17-04, 10:14 AM
Too early? Maybe two weeks ago it was too early. Good time now for the subforum.
Static Cling
09-17-04, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Toad
So I think it was serving a purpose, but my opinion doesn't count and I'm cool with that. It's not that your opinion doesn't count, but that your opinion isn't the only one that counts.
twikoff
09-17-04, 11:34 AM
does my opinion count?
Toad
09-17-04, 12:02 PM
Your opinion counts approximately 1/162 less than mine.
Demontooth
09-17-04, 12:18 PM
star wars is coming out on DVD?!?-wink-
Toad
09-17-04, 12:23 PM
No this is about the Special Edition release on VHS; DVD's won't become mainstream for another 2-3 years.
Toad
09-19-04, 11:31 AM
2 days.
P.S. At the time of this posting there were 8 threads on the front page of DVDTalk and I imagine about 5-6 in Movie Talk.
fumanstan
09-19-04, 12:57 PM
Yeah, i wonder why we havent gotten a response on this :)
Toad
09-19-04, 02:26 PM
Probably because I'm being annoying :(.
Kal-El
09-20-04, 05:40 PM
I hope it's not too late to retract my position on this. Based on the current trend, it'll just be a "bitching board" and I wouldn't want any part in it.
Toad
09-20-04, 06:49 PM
The thing that's funny to me is the number of non-fans who come into a thread just to rag on the fans.
Or the people who try to pretend they're not fans by referring to others as "fan boys" - a term I still don't understand. I guess I just don't use terms/words for the sole reason that other people use them. Sort of like "Joe Six Pack."
You can't win here with Star Wars; I think some of these poor people think it's actually cool or fun to be a giant pain the ass, and post nothing but smartass or negative posts. Hey - that's their problem in the end, not mine; they have to live with themselves (I'm sure they're VERY happy people) ;).
I think it's funny that so many moderators have commented in the other posts under this Forum, yet only one has here. This is supposed to be a DVD Forum; yet "name change" threads get more moderator feedback than arguably the biggest DVD release (or most important DVD release) yet. Oh well.
fumanstan
09-20-04, 06:59 PM
Maybe if you report your own post to a moderator :)
Tarantino
09-20-04, 09:22 PM
No answer on a sub-forum? Typical...
Toad
09-20-04, 09:27 PM
If you're serious, I've already tried that at least 2 times.
Static Cling
09-21-04, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by Tarantino
No answer on a sub-forum? Typical... Except for the anwer I gave on page 2 of this thread.
Toad
09-21-04, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Static Cling
Except for the anwer I gave on page 2 of this thread.
Your answer was that you opined it was necessary today. No one else has responded, which I think probably stems from the undercurrent of negativity the forum seems to have towards the movies.
Rogue588
09-21-04, 11:15 AM
:lol:
yeah. that's it...
Toad
09-21-04, 11:47 AM
Sure is.
For one example, read the thread about "I got mine today!" in DVDTalk and the outright sarcasm in its closure.
For another, read the "Audio Changes" thread.
For another, go to Movies and read the attacks and jabs at fans there.
Kal-El
09-21-04, 12:13 PM
I think it's not really inherent negativity towards the movies so much as the negativity any discussion about the movie generates.
Get Me Coffee
09-21-04, 12:16 PM
So what's the count with Star Wars Threads?
Josh H
09-21-04, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
So what's the count with Star Wars Threads?
9 on the first page of DVD Talk and 6 on the front page of Movie Talk currently.
Toad
09-21-04, 01:18 PM
Clearly it's not going to happen. That doesn't bother me, but I'm very unimpressed by the lack of response. Shows what's "really" important at DVDTalk -- threads about changing your username, and how much you can bash someone's "art."
Get Me Coffee
09-21-04, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Toad
Clearly it's not going to happen. That doesn't bother me, but I'm very unimpressed by the lack of response. Shows what's "really" important at DVDTalk -- threads about changing your username, and how much you can bash someone's "art."
DVDtalk has never been the same since late '99 and early '00...Those were the good ol' days my friends. ;)
fumanstan
09-21-04, 02:15 PM
Yeah, just thinking that we could at least get a "No its not going to happen" reply :)
Johnny Zhivago
09-21-04, 03:14 PM
Hell, there's <strike>11</strike> <strike>10</strike> <strike>12</strike> <strike>13</strike> 14 open threads on the front page... It's already the Star Wars forum.
Rogue588
09-21-04, 04:35 PM
:lol:
Toad
09-21-04, 04:45 PM
LOL very true!
I agree - it's downright rude that we didn't get a reply from someone in the capacity to make a decision.
It's passed the simple fact of me wanting it now; it's just the fact that they felt we could be ignored, like this is the release of "Good Burger" or something.
Toad
09-21-04, 04:47 PM
I even reported myself twice!
Get Me Coffee
09-21-04, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Zhivago
Hell, there's <strike>11</strike> <strike>10</strike> <strike>12</strike> 13 open threads on the front page... It's already the Star Wars forum.
rotfl
You da man! :up:
Jackskeleton
09-21-04, 05:36 PM
Fuck a star wars sub forum. I want to see a Trouble shooting forum where all the pople bitching about glitches can go.
Get Me Coffee
09-21-04, 07:10 PM
That first disc is a real screw up! First the audio and now it freezes up....what a fuck up!
Kal-El
09-21-04, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Fuck a star wars sub forum. I want to see a Trouble shooting forum where all the pople bitching about glitches can go.
You and me both. :rolleyes:
Maybe we should ask for this thread to be moved to the main page as well? Oh wait, they don't read it...nevermind. :D
dom56
09-21-04, 07:16 PM
There are too many Star Wars thread today and I don't even have mine yet. :)
Toad
09-21-04, 08:29 PM
Mine doesn't freeze; take it back.
Tarantino
09-21-04, 10:10 PM
Jesus christ, there are 13 Star Wars DVD threads on the front page of the DVDTalk forum, that's pretty damn ridiculous. Lump them all together or something, PLEASE.
Obey The D
09-21-04, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Tarantino
Jesus christ, there are 13 Star Wars DVD threads on the front page of the DVDTalk forum, that's pretty damn ridiculous. Lump them all together or something, PLEASE.
Now it's up to 14. This is getting out of hand.
AndyCapps
09-21-04, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Tarantino
Jesus christ, there are 13 Star Wars DVD threads on the front page of the DVDTalk forum, that's pretty damn ridiculous. Lump them all together or something, PLEASE.
More ridiculous than dedicating a forum to one goddamn release? People will run out of shit to talk about it soon enough.
The Valeyard
09-22-04, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by AndyCapps
More ridiculous than dedicating a forum to one goddamn release? People will run out of shit to talk about it soon enough.
You're kidding, right? People have been talking about this release BEFORE it was even announced. There'll ALWAYS be something to talk about concerning this subject.
The debates, glitch list, comparisons will go on forever. Count on it.
And 14 different Threads really is ridiculous.
Andrew
RyoHazuki
09-22-04, 01:25 AM
We can have a Return of the King sub-forum, but no Star Wars dvd or Politics sub-forum. :hscratch:
Kal-El
09-22-04, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by RyoHazuki
We can have a Return of the King sub-forum, but no Star Wars dvd or Politics sub-forum. :hscratch:
Duh. Where the hell have you been posting????
El Talon Del Monstruo
09-22-04, 10:01 AM
theres only 11 now...but now they're talking about the quality of the box that contains the DVD...this tells me theres WAY to much Star Wars talk...I come to DVD Talk for the wide variety of discussion and for new information...I don't come for Star Wars 24/7...if I wanted that i'd go to TheForce.net
Toad
09-22-04, 11:03 AM
It's not Star Wars 24/7. But on the day of its release, and those days leading to it and thereafter, there will be lots of threads.
You may not like the movies, but I find it hard to believe you can deny they're a big deal on release day.
Kal-El
09-22-04, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by El Talon Del Monstruo
theres only 11 now...but now they're talking about the quality of the box that contains the DVD...this tells me theres WAY to much Star Wars talk...I come to DVD Talk for the wide variety of discussion and for new information...I don't come for Star Wars 24/7...if I wanted that i'd go to TheForce.net
Uh, you don't HAVE to read them. You know this right?
Get Me Coffee
09-22-04, 12:20 PM
Star wars has hi-jacked DVDtalk ;) Began the Clone Thread Wars!
Green Jello
09-22-04, 12:35 PM
Good Burger gets its own sub-forum and not Star Wars. Am I missing a joke here?
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