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Geofferson
09-12-04, 07:32 PM
http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/img/homepage/episodes/season04/ep51_brenda_mom_gallery.jpg

Ruth is delighted to meet George's daughter, but worries as his paranoid "views" of the future escalate. "Star" Claire gets high off her newfound fame; Federico pleads his case to Vanessa, who delivers a verdict; David confronts a demon face-to-face; Keith considers an unlikely business proposal; and Nate comes to final blows with Barb and Hoyt.

Jamezuva
09-12-04, 09:15 PM
wow...quite a closer. Looks like George is a paranoid schizophrenic :p Russell is such a pansy the way he tried to fight back :lol:

conscience
09-12-04, 09:48 PM
Pretty low key episode (except for one storyline).

Loved Claire in this episode. Lauren Ambrose did great acting in this particular one and deserves the Emmy next year.

I have to gather my thoughts (and watch again) before I comment further.

Patman
09-12-04, 10:15 PM
Up until the final 20 minutes, I thought it was ho-hum, but then the fireworks came out.

At least they amped up the opening death, nice and gory.

Rico has to face the dissolution of his marriage, the price paid for him breaking the trust between him and Vanessa.

Claire and Billy get busy. She's turning into a serious druggie though. Her friends have been alienated by her new-found status as a "hot" artist.

Ruth has to deal with George, who is trapped in a bomb cellar both physically and mentally.

Nate gets to close the door on Lisa, though that closure exacted a high personal price in Lisa's family.

David faces his tormentor, and his father gives him the "get over your pathetic self" talk, perhaps David will heed the advice.

RobCA
09-12-04, 11:03 PM
OMG, I can't believe I was right (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=5245846#post5245846) about who killed Lisa, and why. I still think it was kinda cheesy, but they handled it well. I'm surprised there weren't any real cliffhangers, but glad, since we won't see any new episodes for a year or so. :( Rob

(edited to add spoiler tags)

Buck Turgidson
09-12-04, 11:33 PM
With this brilliant and intense finale, this show's solid fourth season went from a tie with season one into sole possession of second place, behind only the classic season two. This more than atones for the lackluster season three.

That's about the most intense thing I've seen in several years. Probably since Wallace's last scene from the first season on The Wire.

Lara Means
09-13-04, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by RobCA
OMG, I can't believe I was right about who killed Lisa, and why.

uh, what? I didn't catch that at the end.

Decker
09-13-04, 01:15 AM
Huge revalation about Lisa. wow. Very good season and a satisfying end.

Now maybe season four will see the Fisher boys climb out of their respective funks and live a little...

Gizmo
09-13-04, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by RobCA
OMG, I can't believe I was right (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=5245846#post5245846) about who killed Lisa, and why. I still think it was kinda cheesy, but they handled it well. I'm surprised there weren't any real cliffhangers, but glad, since we won't see any new episodes for a year or so. :( Rob

(edited to add spoiler tags)

Damn! I missed tonight but could NOT resist finding out what happened. I had kinda thought the same, but that character was barley shown.

nickdawgy
09-13-04, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by RobCA
OMG, I can't believe I was right (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=5245846#post5245846) about who killed Lisa, and why. I still think it was kinda cheesy, but they handled it well. I'm surprised there weren't any real cliffhangers, but glad, since we won't see any new episodes for a year or so. :( Rob

(edited to add spoiler tags)

wow, right on the money

marty888
09-13-04, 08:07 AM
Very strong conclusion - and I don't think it would have had the same impact if the season hadn't slowly led us up to this point.

Geofferson
09-13-04, 08:21 AM
Enjoyed the finale last night. Caught me off-guard a few times with the opening death scene, the vomiting scene with the former wife (:lol: ) and the final act. I hope last night's episode provided ample closure for both Nate and David. Now George on the other hand...

saoirse
09-13-04, 11:02 AM
I screwed up at one part. I'll try not to spoiler, so here goes. I thought for a second that a certain in-law was not an in-law, but a blood relative.

So I was even more shocked for a few minutes.

RockStrongo
09-13-04, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by RobCA
OMG, I can't believe I was right (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=5245846#post5245846) about who killed Lisa, and why. I still think it was kinda cheesy, but they handled it well. I'm surprised there weren't any real cliffhangers, but glad, since we won't see any new episodes for a year or so. :( Rob

(edited to add spoiler tags)

Props. ;)

BassDude
09-13-04, 12:48 PM
I just found myself thinking 'I love this show" throughtout the season finale. Nice ta see Alan Ball take charge of this one. The shots with one character in the foreground and other action in the background were beautiful, and I can never get over the lighting on this show!

Very satisfying episode, with my favorite scene being Rico coming to grips with the marriage being over and "setting up" his new living quarters. "Okay..so..this is my life now..."

So..how long do we have until Season 5? Is it a done deal yet...have they announced plans to continue? Without cliff-hangers, this could be a logical ending to the series.

Geofferson
09-13-04, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by BassDude
Without cliff-hangers, this could be a logical ending to the series.
I am wondering the same. This season finale would have been a decent series finale.

marty888
09-13-04, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Geofferson
I am wondering the same. This season finale would have been a decent series finale.


Do we really want to leave George where he is? Hmmm, actually not a bad idea!

drc
09-13-04, 04:10 PM
So, is there any chance ... ... that Nate isn't the father of Mya?

BassDude
09-13-04, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by crooksha
So, is there any chance ... ... that Nate isn't the father of Mya?

OHMIGAWD....never even thought of that...

:(

sherm42
09-13-04, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by crooksha
So, is there any chance ... ... that Nate isn't the father of Mya?

There is always this chance, but Lisa was living in Seattle when Nate and her got together. Unless she came down to California at that exact same time.

lisadoris
09-13-04, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by BassDude
Without cliff-hangers, this could be a logical ending to the series.
If it wasn't for George I would think the same thing. Somehow it seems wrong to just leave him hanging in the bomb shelter like that.

movieking
09-13-04, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by crooksha
So, is there any chance ... ... that Nate isn't the father of Mya?

That was my immediate assumption. I thought that the line where Lisa tells Nate that since Barb is only the aunt and he is the father she would have no rights was really clumsy and out of place, and put there for a reason. I figure that Barb's husband is going to be the father, which will put Nate and Barb on equal setting, as the spouses of the two biological parents

Jadzia
09-13-04, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by sherm42
There is always this chance, but Lisa was living in Seattle when Nate and her got together. Unless she came down to California at that exact same time.

Although she had already moved to LA when she pregnant-- remember Nate ran into her at the grocery store and that is how he learned that she was living in LA and that she was pregnant.

I was wondering about the timing of the affair since Hoyt said that the beach was their "special place", but that they were together before she married Nate. I was a little confused by this since she had previously lived in Seattle for so long.

ltrain
09-13-04, 06:24 PM
Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but they never exactly revealed what happened to Lisa that day on the beach did they? I was hoping for some kind of flashback that would SHOW us what happened. Great episode none the less though.

Too bad we'll have to wait awhile for any new episodes. Maybe HBO will make it up to us by releasing Season 3 a little sooner than expected...

fuzzbox
09-13-04, 08:30 PM
Maybe I'm confused, but I don't think this really solved anything...

weren't Hoyt's last words "...and then we went our separate ways"? So, did Lisa kill herself or not? I still don't think she was the type of person to commit suicide, so does that mean he was lying? Did he really kill her and then had to kill himself rather than face that he was having an affair with, and killed his sister-in-law?

just color me confused.

-jason

RevLiver
09-14-04, 07:04 AM
Great episode that just about made up for the lame plotlines earlier in the season (I hated the Edie character and the hipper-than-thou artschool kids, also Claire became too much of a drama queen this year).

Funny, back when Lisa first showed up as pregnant in L.A. and Nate eventually married her, I immediately thought, "I bet he's not even the father."

I think Hoyt did kill her, he seemed like he was lying when he said they went their separate ways.

So now Nate and Brenda will get married, Brenda will get pregnant and then Barb make Nate take a paternity test and they will find out that Maya is Hoyt and Lisa's child.

This is one incestuous group. By the time the show ends I think they will have all slept with one another's ex's.

Ralph Wiggum
09-14-04, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by RevLiver
I think Hoyt did kill her, he seemed like he was lying when he said they went their separate ways.

I'd find it difficult to believe that he'd have killed himself over just an affair even if he was caught off-guard by the confrontation. Hopefully, the writers don't pull any "paternity switcheroo" nonsense next season.

movieking
09-14-04, 01:13 PM
I am not convinced that he killed her as well. It is open to interpretation.

Fry
09-14-04, 03:03 PM
This is what i got out of it:
I think he did kill her. Didn't he say something like, "She said she didn't want to meet up anymore....I couldn't let her tell anyone about us."? That kind of sounds suspiscious, no?
And when he said, "she went her way, I went mine", maybe he meant it figuratively as in, "she went her way (death), and I went mine (leaving and living a life without her)" or something to that effect.
I don't think his suicide was spontaneous, he had his gun in the top front drawer of his desk. The whole thing was probably on his mind since it happened and he was contemplating suicide for awhile. His reason for killing himself? I'm guessing guilt, from the affiar maybe and his murdering her.
I also think that Lisa was not the type of person to kill herself, and even if she wanted to, I don't think she would go through with it because of Mya.
I'm not sure what I think about the whole "Mya's real dad" thing. Seems kinda predictable, but who knows.

Bubble
09-14-04, 07:51 PM
While I agree & disagree with some of the comments posted. I just wanted to point out, is Mya not the most adorable baby on tv in a long time. With all the death and craziness around her, there she is, a little gumdrop playing with Brenda's earing as she carried her at Claire's art exhibit.

Maybe I wouldn't be so enamored with her if I had children, but she always just seems to steal my attention from what ever else is going on in the scene.

Neeperando
09-14-04, 10:23 PM
This was a totally brilliant episode! It was only about 75% depressing, which is a way better average than most episodes, especially season finales.

I didn't get the impression that Hoyt killed Lisa. Here is the impression I got:

They met, she said now, he played her a song or whatever, and left. It could still be an accident... she went for a swim and got caught in a current, fell asleep on the beach before high tide, who knows. Whatever the case, Hoyt would have known all along that he was the last one to see her alive, but admitting that would have been admitting to Barb that he was cheating on her with her sister. So he covered it up. And then harboring that secret through the whole year of wondering and grieving and all the other shit that happened. That would have to weigh pretty heavily.

It's not totally impossible that he killed her, but I'm agreed that she definately didn't kill herself and I just don't see Hoyt just offing her for breaking off their affair. I don't think someone as kind and good-natured as Lisa could inspire that kind of passionate anger in someone.

Now what am I going to watch! The only show I watch is done! Buffy and Angel cancelled, 24 not starting until January, and who knows when the Shield starts up again! All my favorite HBO shows are months away. This is gonna be bad.

Jadzia
09-15-04, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Bubble
While I agree & disagree with some of the comments posted. I just wanted to point out, is Mya not the most adorable baby on tv in a long time.

Except for the mullet. To quote Pamela from The Apprentice: "Who cut that kid's hair?"


That opening death scene seemed right out of Dead Like Me. I was expecting to see some gravelings!

auto
09-15-04, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Jadzia

That opening death scene seemed right out of Dead Like Me. I was expecting to see some gravelings!

or a Resident Evil ripoff.

TheVelvetRope
09-15-04, 10:36 PM
According to this article, (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/13/television.sixfeetunder.reut/index.html) production on season five is set to begin in November. Hopefully, that means maybe we'll see a new season in the spring, or even earlier. :D

Decker
09-16-04, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by TheVelvetRope
According to this article, (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/13/television.sixfeetunder.reut/index.html) production on season five is set to begin in November. Hopefully, that means maybe we'll see a new season in the spring, or even earlier. :D While that would be possible, it would leave 6FU with two seasons of the show eligable in the same Emmy year. (This actually happend to 6FU before, with seasons 1 & 2 both eligable for the 2002 award. They took home a disappointing six minor awards for two season's work). For HBO's (arguably) most important property, with SaTC over and The Sopranos looking at it's final season, that wouldn't be ideal. I'm sure HBO wants to maximize 6FU's total Emmy haul and that would mean starting season five after June 1.

scarredgod
09-17-04, 02:46 AM
at this point of time, i am not believing Hoyt killed Lisa. i believe he told the truth about what happened and that they went seperate ways. if he was gonna shoot himself anyway, i think he would have put his wifes and Nates mind at rest and admitted he killed her, to stop the wondering. i think this stuff will pop up again next season.

Russell was hilarious in his pansyness, i awaited his suicide at the end of the episode too. oh well, more fun with him next season hopefully.

as for claire, i hate her more and more every week, i applaud the writers and the actress for getting such emotion out of me, even if it is disgust. well done. i have a feeling they hate "artists" too, or just see the pretentious joke they can be.

the descent of George has also been brilliant.

very good season.