Passion of Christ does 4.1 million copies in sales in one day.

[Mike Lowrey]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131074,00.html

4.1 Million 'Passion' DVDs Sold in One Day

Wednesday, September 01, 2004

LOS ANGELES — The second coming of Mel Gibson's (search) biblical epic "The Passion of the Christ" (search) sold 4.1 million DVD copies by Wednesday after only one day in stores.

While the figure from distributor Fox Home Entertainment is high, it's not quite a record breaker.

"Finding Nemo" (search) holds the No. 1 overall spot for one-day DVD sales with about 8 million. For a live-action movie, "Spider-Man" holds the one-day record with 7 million.

Although "The Passion" fell short of that, Fox Home Entertainment said it did inaugurate several secondary industry records.

In terms of one-day sales, Fox is describing the movie as the best-selling R-rated film of all time and best-selling non-English language film of all time. Most DVD sales trackers, however, only divide rankings between animation and live-action.

"The Passion," starring Jim Caviezel (search) as Jesus, earned more than $370 million at the North American box office, making it the year's second-most popular movie behind "Shrek 2," which earned $436.7 million.

Gibson's film was also one of the most controversial movies in years. Besides its violent depiction of the crucifixion, some Jewish organizations complained it might spark a rise in anti-Semitism by blaming ancient Jewish people for killing Christ.

"The Passion" DVD is on track to sell as well as Hollywood blockbusters such as "Spider-Man" and "The Lord of the Rings" movies, which topped out between 15 million and 18 million total disc sales, said Scott Hettrick, editor in chief of DVD Exclusive magazine.

Churches and religious groups were active in trying to promote the movie to their congregations, sometimes buying huge blocks of theater tickets for sale to parishioners. Many DVDs were paid for well in advance and picked up Tuesday.

Filmed in Aramaic and Latin, the movie was sold with English subtitles on VHS for $24.98, and English and Spanish subtitles on DVD for $29.98. Many retailers are cutting the price to $15 to $20, Hettrick said.

Since the "Passion" that went on sale Tuesday includes only the movie — no bonus features or documentaries that are common on most discs — a more fully loaded version of the DVD is likely in the future.

[Breakfast with Girls]

I wonder how many times it'll be rewatched.

[DVD Polizei]

As many times as the Bible has been re-written.

(runs out of thread)

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by DVD Polizei
As many times as the Bible has been re-written.

(runs out of thread)


aslong as it still says that slavary is all good, then it hasn't been ruined. ;)


As for sales. It doesn't take a smart person to tell you or predict that it was going to kick major ass in sales. The studio store was moving a lot of them from what the fella behind the counter was telling me. Most folks were buying it with a copy of Girl Next Door Unrated. :lol:


Good thing Fox picked it up cause it will make a nice amount of change for that distribution of the bible on dvd

[mikeporter]

the best-selling R-rated film of all time
Fox must be lying...I'm pretty sure The Matrix sold way more than 4 million copies...I'm also pretty sure Gladiator has sold more than 4. Both The Matrix and Gladiator are R-rated.

[Obey The D]

Originally posted by mikeporter
the best-selling R-rated film of all time
Fox must be lying...I'm pretty sure The Matrix sold way more than 4 million copies...I'm also pretty sure Gladiator has sold more than 4. Both The Matrix and Gladiator are R-rated.

They are refering to first day sales.

[Class316]

Have the censored subs been included?

[mikeporter]

Originally posted by Class316
Have the censored subs been included?
:D

[Josh-da-man]

In terms of one-day sales, Fox is describing the movie as the best-selling R-rated film of all time

How ironic, when you consider that one of the primary markets for this movie is the people who constantly bitch and moan about R-rated "filth."

[Artman]

Originally posted by Josh-da-man
How ironic, when you consider that one of the primary markets for this movie is the people who constantly bitch and moan about R-rated "filth."

Yes I agree. Hopefully it's caused some to rethink their position a bit. Gee... maybe not all R's are bad? :)

[darkside]

4.1 million is impressive, but I shudder at the thought of all the children that will be allowed to watch this film by the same parents that probably wouldn't let them watch a violent movie like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre a much less violent film.

I know, everyone can do what they want with their own children. However, this movie made me look away multiple times and I'm 32 and have seen real death with my own eyes. I can't even imagine subjecting my 10 year old to it, but I know tons of people that are planning on watching it with their kids.

[vhgong]

Originally posted by Josh-da-man
How ironic, when you consider that one of the primary markets for this movie is the people who constantly bitch and moan about R-rated "filth."

Yeah, that was exactly my though. I think this has to be one of the most violent movies i have seen. I won't buy the DVD coz its a movie i never want to watch again.

[Robert George]

Hopefully it's caused some to rethink their position a bit.

Now that's funny.

And naive.

[darkside]

Originally posted by Artman
Yes I agree. Hopefully it's caused some to rethink their position a bit. Gee... maybe not all R's are bad? :)

I'm sure the part of the 4.1 million that were fundamentalist Christians will be quick to rethink their ideals. Those guys are real flexible. Actually, I'm sure many of them secretly have the Showgirls boxset as well, but they will never admit to it.

[Julie Walker]

I think I will just wait for the SE :D

Also yes I think it is fucked up that some overzealous people would subject young(by young,I mean 10 and under) kids to the film since it is 'important' blah blah blah.

I can just imagine my relatives,who thought The Lion King & Aladdin were 'too scary and sexually suggestive' for us measly kids to be viewing & thus fast forward 90% of the films: sitting down thier young kids,and all the relatives to watch in awe this film without a worry over the content. Hypocrisy at it's finest :D

[gmallen]

I think no SE will be in the works. Gibson just wanted to make the movie and put it out.

[Jackskeleton]

But since this is such a huge cash cow I'm sure Fox and new market would love to do something. What better way to relive the faith and last hours of christ by seeing the making of, the behind the scenes and of course.. the deleted scenes. ;)

[LikeMiamiVice]

nah..ill just wait to maybe catch it on hbo or something..this is the type of movie that i will watch again once every few years

[matrixrok9]

This doesn't mean the DVD is a hit, it's only the first day. First day sales do not mean anything Let's wait until next month to see if it is really a hit. ;)

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by matrixrok9
This doesn't mean the DVD is a hit, it's only the first day. First day sales do not mean anything Let's wait until next month to see if it is really a hit. ;)


Ha ha ha, I can tell you that this will peak in sales come christmas and easter for those who haven't recieved it yet.

It's a hit and this is coming from someone who disliked the movie

[G-Rex]

I think I will just wait for the SE
Eh! I'm waiting for the sequel.

I mean...this one did so well. I'm sure there'll be another one.

:johnwoo:

[FatTony]

Originally posted by G-Rex
Eh! I'm waiting for the sequel.

I mean...this one did so well. I'm sure there'll be another one.

:johnwoo:
The Passion 2: Electric Boogaloo :banana:

[darkside]

Originally posted by G-Rex
Eh! I'm waiting for the sequel.

I mean...this one did so well. I'm sure there'll be another one.

:johnwoo:

I think Gibson already produced the sequel.

In it Jesus finally returns to Earth, but is constantly hounded by the Paparazzi.

I think that's it, I'm pretty high right now.

[nemein]

Originally posted by Josh-da-man
How ironic, when you consider that one of the primary markets for this movie is the people who constantly bitch and moan about R-rated "filth."

Yes because after all the R rating that was given for this film is oh so indicative of the R rating that is usually given for the other films you are talking about... -rolleyes- Even when the R rating is just for violence the context is so different that I'm sure most of them will make a distinction.

[tommyp007]

Holy Christ!!

[Nagheenanajar]

I think this is going to be huge. I mean they are selling bundle packs to churches. I don't know how well that will work, but it should help.

[cardaway]

Originally posted by darkside
4.1 million is impressive, but I shudder at the thought of all the children that will be allowed to watch this film by the same parents that probably wouldn't let them watch a violent movie like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre a much less violent film.

You have it all wrong.




It's all about restricting what others can watch. They will continue to do anything they want.

[Class316]

So no one knows if the subs are 100% uncensored?

[bareva]

Originally posted by Breakfast with Girls
I wonder how many times it'll be rewatched.

probably once a year when easter comes around...I tend to do that with my ID4 dvd :) once a year every 4th of july :) :)

[Minor Threat]

The ignorance in this thread is abysmal.

[William Fuld]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
It's a hit and this is coming from someone who disliked the movie

For someone who disliked the movie you sure have made a point to post in every single thread about it.

[Green Jello]

Originally posted by Minor Threat
The ignorance in this thread is abysmal.

Just curious, to what are you referring?

[Dabaomb]

Originally posted by William Fuld
For someone who disliked the movie you sure have made a point to post in every single thread about it.

so true but the DVD was distributed by Fox so he must post in threads about it.

[Shannon Nutt]

I mentioned this in another thread, but it's related to this one:

I'm pretty sure Matrix Reloaded sold over 4 million on its first day. Not sure of the exact number though.

[baracine]

And the sales from Jew-hating Muslim countries haven't even been tallied yet... :D

[PatrickMcCart]

It's all about restricting what others can watch. They will continue to do anything they want.

Well, people from any side like restricting what people are exposed to. Why else do you think open prayer is usually a no-no in public schools? :)



As for the sales... impressive. I do hope most of the 4.1 million were widescreen.

[freshticles]

horrible, awful, boring movie...should've been called 'kill jesus'

[nodeerforamonth]

no insert = no sale!

[Jackskeleton]

Why else do you think open prayer is usually a no-no in public schools?

Because Church and State are seperate because then you will be forcing those who may not believe to actually have to deal with the nonsense.


so true but the DVD was distributed by Fox so he must post in threads about it.

You make a valid point here. And if you notice my post in this thread are not threadcrapping. I figure that you passion lovers may actually enjoy the fact that someone who didn't like it is siding with you guys and saying it is a hit.

I don't think the meritt of the movie quality has any lasting in this thread as much as the conversation is about the dvd sales of it.

[Terrell]

should've been called 'kill jesus'

:hscratch: Um..... ah.........I believe that's what the story was about.

[baritup]

wow this DVD is going to be hge

[Mike Lowrey]

OK, two things here.

One, with regards to the violence, if you're familiar with the Stations of the Cross (ie. The Passion), you're also probably familiar with the torture Jesus went through. So seeing it on the screen only makes the "story/event" more powerful.

My mother (61) who is a member of the National Council of Catholic Women went to see it. She goes to movies fairly frequently and generally goes to chick flicks. However, with her knowledge of the Passion, she wasn't shocked or surprised by any of the violence.

Two, for those concerned about letting young children see it, it seems that most children who did see it, went away with not a horrified vision, but an all new appreciation for the suffering that Jesus went through.

I haven't seen it myself yet, but I will eventually when ever we get word on the rumorer SE. If no SE, then I'll buy the bare-bones version.

[Mike Lowrey]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Because Church and State are seperate because then you will be forcing those who may not believe to actually have to deal with the nonsense.

Show me where in the Constitution that states that Church and State are separate. I'll save you some time. It doesn't.

The only thing it states is this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

All that means is the Congress can't establish an official state religion like England did with the Church of England. In fact, it establishes the freedom of religion - not freedom from religion. It also doesn't mean that religion can't be a part of government or national policy.

It's only the Liberal idealogy who thinks it means that religion can have no part in government or in its policies.

[nemein]

<i>Mod note: Please keep the political discussion in the Other forum

Thanks
</i>

[aspikes]

I am grateful that Mel Gibson made this movie and can't express in words how much I love Jesus. Anything that promotes Christianity and converts any non-believers is great. If Mel makes a lot more money off the sales of this DVD, then good for him. He has tapped into a very large and sometimes forgotten market: The Christian. When others tap into certain markets its seen as smart business. Why the double standard is applied to Christians is hypocritical. Like it or hate it, the Christians are going to buy and support this movie along with any more Christian movies that will follow. I am excited about the possibilities. I have not purchased this DVD yet.

Oh yeah, about the "children" watching the DVD, do you not think that its the parent's decision. I mean come on. I can't believe this is being discussed in this thread. Of all the things that are on video today..... think about it........ some people are worried about children watching this movie, you're kidding right? Are the same people who are concerned about children watching this movie concern about children watching anything else or is it because that for 2000 years people have been picking up the cross and following Jesus? The crucifixion of Jesus is what this movie is all about. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that the concern here is that these children maybe converted.

There are more books written about Jesus than any other person ever. Its sad but I believe Adolf Hitler is next in line. Anyway I am not attacking anybody. This movie is very controversial and some may not like what I have written. I say to them that their or any anti-The Passion of the Christ comments do not offend me and I do not care if my comments offend them. This is America and I am happy we all can believe in whatever we want and have the freedom to express our feelings about this movie in this forum.

[Julie Walker]

Asspikes..I don't think people are 'worried' about people being 'converted' by the film.

But we are just commenting on the hypocrisy and possibly dangerous mindfucks,some overly concered people do thinking the film is 'important' & 'ok' for all too see regardless of age.

Now if a kid wants to see this film and thinks they are mature enough to handle it. Then fine,let them see it. But if a kid does not want to see it,and a parent forces them against their will to view it(pretty much a brainwashing propoganda machine). Then yes that is not a good thing and can be psychologically damaging.

See it is really simple. Wanting to see a film,means you are more likely to be able to handle the content(even if it offends,or shocks you). Meanwhile if you DON'T want to watch something with such graphic shocking disturbing material. You are more likely to have a hugely negative reaction to the material(repulsion,nerves shattered,nightmares,images stay in your head traumatizing you forever ect) and possibly fuck up your head(if at a young impressionable sheltered age). Meanwhile that reaction will be less severe if you go willingly into a film knowing what to expect.


Of course when I say 'kid'. I mean a more reasonble age like 12 or 13. The parents thinking this film is ok for under 10 year olds to see is fucked up in itself. If they can't see why,then they really are messed up in the head.

Yet that is exactly what some of these lack of common sense people screaming at their kids "This is important,he died for your sins,watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" when the film was in theaters are doing.

There were families at the showing I went to,with kids of all ages,and alot of them thought the film was too much for them to handle(with good reason). Then there were more horror stories from other people on the forum describing their experiances with nutty parents forcing their kids to the film.



Meanwhile these very same people are the same ones who scream out 'we must protect the children' against all the 'filth'(explicit content,unwholesome real life issues ect) all the time. So it is very hypocritical of them to think this film is 'ok' for the kids to watch,just because it is about Jesus.

Like the films they protest,this IS ONLY a movie people. Get over it and stop making excuses why it is more 'acceptable' to watch than any other R rated films you shelter your kids from.


The fact that some people DO intend to use the film to 'covert' people(or at least try) is telling as well. Not everyone will follow christianity...but can still believe in Jesus. So get used to it:D

I thought it was a great,very powerful and amazing film. But even I won't fall for the propoganda some people try to cram down my throats in an attempt to 'win' me over just because I liked the film.

[Joe Molotov]

Originally posted by nodeerforamonth
no insert = no sale!

It has an insert.

[Jackskeleton]

Dear Jebus, I never thought there would be a day that I actually kinda agree with Julie Walker. It is silly to say that this amount of graphics is alright simply because it is about some guy they believe in but if this was another gore filled film then they would scream against the unneeded violence.


As for church and state.. Tell that to the judge that got his ten commandments stone dragged off. It may not say protection FROM, but it really does imply that since we did come her to escape someone else religion to not just turn around and force others to convert by force to ours. I enjoy the fact that God has no place in a school. Let childern learn as they grow and make up their own mind instead of becoming sheep. (And I went to catholic school mind you)

Anything that promotes Christianity and converts any non-believers is great.

This is my issue with the film. I don't want to hear Propoganda. I also don't react well to a guilt trip. "HE DIED FOR YOU!!! FOR YOU!!!!". No, he died because he was speaking against the current system in place. Can there be something learned from his "teachings"? sure. But I'm not going to react well to a two hour guilt trip on how much one man suffered for stating what you may believe in.


But that is all getting off topic. This is suppose to be about dvd sales. Which are important and really, in the long run this record will be beat by the next big release. I'm sure Star Wars will do around, if not better numbers. Because much like christianity, there is a cult following for that as well. A lot of studios like to pimp out the first day/week's numbers because people buy what everyone else is buying. If they can promote the film on that fact they will.

Also note that not everything that has GOD's print on it sells like gold. The Left Behind book series sold like hot cakes, but the films that were made from the books don't seem to be flying off your shelves. ;)


This is America and I am happy we all can believe in whatever we want and have the freedom to express our feelings about this movie in this forum.


As am I. Just so long as the belief in your god doesn't step on the toes of my belief in no god. :)

[spainlinx0]

Originally posted by aspikes

Oh yeah, about the "children" watching the DVD, do you not think that its the parent's decision.

If the religious right would remember this, maybe we wouldn't have such a problem with their hypocrisy regarding sex and violence being allowed on screen.

[darkside]

Originally posted by aspikes
He has tapped into a very large and sometimes forgotten market: The Christian.

You're kidding me right. Christianity is a multibillion dollar industry. Even if you want to exclude legitimate churches flip around the cable dial at all the Evangelist programming and drive around and check out the Christian Book stores everywhere. Its not a forgotten market at all.

My own non religious kid even watches those damn Jesus vegetable DVDs.

I've got no problem with Mel making money with the Passion, but Jesus is not an untapped financial resource by any means. At least Mel did his movie out of his real passion for his Catholic beliefs. That guy on cable talking in tongues is just an asshole.

[Jackskeleton]

Back when I used to work on the local Public Access channels we would get 90% religious programs taped in the studio. I shit you not. I mean it is free to produce and record your own show. All you had to do was sign some papers, make an appointment to come down to the set and tape for your hour and schedule your program to air on whatever time you want and the only people who did it were the religious folk.

It's really a big market to get to but it does have it's stinkers. Those tele-evanglist and a few others to speak of.

[baracine]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/PassionChrist/Passion-more/benson.gif

[Grubert]

Originally posted by FatTony
The Passion 2: Electric Boogaloo :banana:

Nah. The Passion 2: Jesus Christ Reloaded.

[kayak99]

I'm predicting this one will sink in price faster than most. Then I'll consider buying.

[sracer]

There isn't much replay value in "The Passion of the Christ", IMO. It only evokes emotion because of the barbaric torture being exhibited. It shows HOW Jesus died... but not really WHY.

Unfortunately, this very graphic, very detailed account of His torture and crucifixion will jade viewers toward films that focus on His life and ministry... like "King of Kings" and "Jesus of Nazereth"...and "Life of Brian".

(yeah, yeah, I know... people will say that films like that are unrealistic... depicting Jesus as being fair skinned, blonde haired, and blue eyed.)

[Dabaomb]

Originally posted by Joe Molotov
It has an insert.

sale :up:

[Artman]

Originally posted by Minor Threat
The ignorance in this thread is abysmal.

I'd agree with that.

As if the sales figures couldn't have originally been placed in one of the existing Passion threads.

Lockdown mods?

[baracine]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Dear Jebus, I never thought there would be a day that I actually kinda agree with Julie Walker. It is silly to say that this amount of graphics is alright simply because it is about some guy they believe in but if this was another gore filled film then they would scream against the unneeded violence.

This film is a crass and callous manipulation of people's religious beliefs in order to skewer the Jews and fill the world with even more hatred. That - even more than its graphic violence, which is a sign of mental imbalance and therefore objectionable in itself - makes this film an atrocity, in my opinion.

And the fact that an atrocity like the Beslan (Russian) School hostage massacre is committed "in the name of God" doesn't make it any less of an atrocity. Not by a long shot.

[Brent L]

Originally posted by darkside
You're kidding me right. Christianity is a multibillion dollar industry. Even if you want to exclude legitimate churches flip around the cable dial at all the Evangelist programming and drive around and check out the Christian Book stores everywhere. Its not a forgotten market at all.

I believe he is speaking of the film industry, not other aspects of culture. It's pretty rare for a straight up Christian film to hit the mainstream.

I obviously look for that to change a bit now.

[Green Jello]

Originally posted by nemein
<i>Mod note: Please keep the political discussion in the Other forum

Thanks
</i>

What about this are you people not understanding?

[Jackskeleton]

second page seems to be lacking much political talk. It was targeted towards the seperation of church and state which hasn't been talked about anymore.

We are now talking about how the film industry is open or opposed to religious films. They don't want to touch an area that is so edgy. That is why everyone passed it up on the first place. I don't want to refer back to that old saying that "The Jews run hollywood". but you get the meaning behind it even though it isn't as true as the extreme that it sounds. But the matter is no one really wants to take the risk and I dont blame them.

[zombiezilla]

Jesus 2 : The Revenge

Jesus3 - 3D

Jesus 4 : Jesus Takes Manhattan

Jesus 5 : Dead By Dawn

Jesus 6 : The Darwinian Candidate



LOL

[Jackskeleton]

What about Jesus X ?

Jesus Vs Godzilla.

[zombiezilla]

Night of the Living Jebus

[Jackskeleton]

Ok, now now. The thread is getting derailed more so then even I can take.. and I can do my fair share of thread derailing..

So getting back to the point of this. Sales for this film are of course going to be huge and much like the film, it will peak during the religious seasons. I don't find to much replay value in it but then again I don't know how many times I'm going to watch schindlers list to many times but I do own it.

[Jason]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton

Also note that not everything that has GOD's print on it sells like gold. The Left Behind book series sold like hot cakes, but the films that were made from the books don't seem to be flying off your shelves. ;)

That's because the Left Behind movies were made by Kirk Cameron, the guy who thought that Growing Pains was "too blue".

I haven't read them, but from what I've heard, the Left Behind books are fairly interesting and well written. Let a creative team that knows what it's doing have a crack at them, and it could be a very profitable, popular franchise.

[aspikes]

Here is my opinion to some of the things written in this forum after my two cents were put in, I know this is not the right forum for them. But since others have had there say here is my two cents, again. Apology to the starter of the thread. I know this is off subject.

Julie Walker your ability to print fuck so many times does not impress me or anyone else I bet. If you are so concerned with children why don't you volunteer your time at a local homeless shelter and quit worrying about parents who let their children watch this movie. It's their right, not yours to raise their children anyway they want so long as they don't break any laws or hurt them or other people. Live and let live. I not trying to raise anybody's children and I respect everyone's right to raise their children as they see fit. In a Christian home or not. Btw Julie its aspikes not asspikes, although its very clever attacking others in this forum or name calling is not the norm however I am not offended. I almost forgot. Just because children want, does not mean they are ready or can handle the content. I could give example after example but will save every ones time. Your rational in your 4th paragraph is not logical and is absurd (to me) at best, but whatever.

Jackskeleton quote"This is my issue with the film. I don't want to hear Propaganda." Great, do not buy this dvd or watch it. Problem solved, too easy. I have a issue with pornography, so I don't watch it. If others choose to watch porn, that' their right. Live and let live. Also, you can believe in no god, its your right and I would never "step on your toes". I hope you are not offended if I pray for you.

spainlinx0 I can't agree with you more if I tried. baracine I love Jesus(he was a Jew) and I don't blame Jews for Christ's death and this film did nothing to make me hate Jews. However, I know anti-Semites may try to use this film to further their own sick ideology. Education is the best defense. True Christians Do Not blame the Jews. Your opinion of the film is your opinion and I am glad we live in America where we can have a difference of opinion.

Again I say, I am most grateful that we can all disagree with words and ideas and leave it at that. I am so glad that our Service Men and Women have given us these rights.

[Jackskeleton]

I haven't read them, but from what I've heard, the Left Behind books are fairly interesting and well written. Let a creative team that knows what it's doing have a crack at them, and it could be a very profitable, popular franchise.

No doubt about that. But as it stands, the quality is not as good as it could/should/would be and so it suffers from that. The whole industry is filled with that sort of thing. A lot of quantity and a lack of quality. I'm all up for some fiction story telling.

Jackskeleton quote"This is my issue with the film. I don't want to hear Propaganda." Great, do not buy this dvd or watch it. Problem solved, too easy. I have a issue with pornography, so I don't watch it. If others choose to watch porn, that' their right. Live and let live. Also, you can believe in no god, its your right and I would never "step on your toes". I hope you are not offended if I pray for you.

Not offended at all. I used to be a man for the church. was an alter server and was actually going to go into the whole priesthood steps for some time. Then long story short, I just walked away. I just don't believe in that anymore and that makes me feel good. I can understand if someone else believes in it and it makes them feel good. I have no right to step on their toes and tell them they are wrong to believe in that. It is all their own choice to believe and if it makes you feel good, better, happy. Then what right do I have to impose my views on the matter on you? get what I'm saying?

I would love it if those who find problems with graphic violence to simply choose not to purcahse or view it instead of condeming others on their choice to view it.

[zombiezilla]

I hope you are not offended if I pray for you.

Actually, I'm offended that you pray at all.

We're in the 21st century now, people, try to join the rest of us. Science is the one true God. Worship the science (and respect it, too) or be left in the dust.

[The Cow]

Originally posted by zombiezilla
Actually, I'm offended that you pray at all.
Yeah, i'm sure you are... How does that affect you in any way? -rolleyes-

I agree with Jack and others that this was worth a watch, but replay value is slim. His analogy to Shindler's list is right on, that's pretty much what we have here.

[Julie Walker]

Originally posted by aspikes
Btw Julie its aspikes not asspikes, although its very clever attacking others in this forum or name calling is not the norm however I am not offended.


It was a typo. I noticed it long after I posted it. That is the honset truth. No insult intended,but I am sure some will believe otherwise.


I almost forgot. Just because children want, does not mean they are ready or can handle the content. I could give example after example but will save every ones time. Your rational in your 4th paragraph is not logical and is absurd (to me) at best, but whatever.



While that may be true. At least they are willing to give something a shot,then if they can't handle it. More than likely would turn it off,which is a rational thing to do. But if they don't want to watch something and are forced to view it regardless. That can't be that healthy at all and who knows what may happen with countless exposure to(extreme mature) stuff they didn't want to watch,but were forced to?


I can use myself for example. I thought I could handle anything and have been seeing graphic films since I was 11.

When I rented Videodrome for the first time when I was about 12. I had seen other Cronenberg films before. So I thought I should check it out,not knowing what it was about,other than something about tv taking over or something. Seemed reasonable harmless,until I actually tried viewing the film.

I didn't expect the S&M graphic violence and sexual torture aspects to be apart of the film,nor knew what they were at the time. So it was a major shock to the system,that I ended up turning it off after 30 minutes. Since I was afraid of just how far the film was going and where it would lead + my parents would flip out if they saw it(since we only had one tv in the living room..and it was early in the evening!).

I did not see the entire film until 5 years later when I was 17 and rented it again, to see the whole film finally. I could handle it then and it became one of my all time favorite Cronenberg films along with Scanners & The Fly.

Now had I sat through the entire thing,despite wanting to turn it off,since the content was just too much for my naive gulible mind at the time. I could have ended up having an extreme fear of sexuality(puberty was about to hit,so scary mysterious times with no one to go to,since we are taught to be shamed of our bodies our entire lives...which is one of many reasons,I gave up on church and organized religion in general and would prefer not to bother with it,can believe in god,which I do,but don't bother with organized religion and all that jazz).

Meanwhile when I was a more mature 17 year old,open minded about sexuality and stuff. The film did not phase me so badly and I was able to enjoy the original twisted storyline.


So if someone wants to watch the film. Let them,if they don't,then don't force them to. It is really that simple and that is the main concern myself and others are expressing.

Pretty easy concept to grasp,but instead the "Why don't you let the parents decide how to raise their kids" excuse is always given. Ironic that the same people who say that and force their kids to view this film,are the same ones constantly complaining about the content of every other film out there,and telling people how to raise their kids!

Isn't that ironic,don't ya think? I guess now you know how it feels;)

:D

[The Cow]

Originally posted by Julie Walker Ironic that the same people who say that and force their kids to view this film,are the same ones constantly complaining about the content of every other film out there,and telling people how to raise their kids!

Who are forcing their kids to watch this movie? I must missed that news flash...

[PatrickMcCart]

We're in the 21st century now, people, try to join the rest of us. Science is the one true God. Worship the science (and respect it, too) or be left in the dust.

sci·ence (sns)
n.

1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to explaining a limitied class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.

[Jergen]

I wonder if people will come to regret buying this movie since this isn't the type of movie you will watch over and over. I bet we will see a bunch of used copies for sale at Blockbuster and Hollywood Video in a few months after the hype dies down.

[darkside]

Originally posted by zombiezilla
Actually, I'm offended that you pray at all.

We're in the 21st century now, people, try to join the rest of us. Science is the one true God. Worship the science (and respect it, too) or be left in the dust.

Stop with your science and all of its mountains of research, tests and facts.

We have this one poorly translated book that has been edited in ways we will never know and it says you are wrong so there.

On the topic if there still is one. I agree many of the millions that bought this did so on the hype. It will be a bargain title at some point. However, this is a film many people will bring out and watch at least once a year and its not a film that will ever just go away.

Like the film or not its an important piece of cinema.

[MorE808]

Originally posted by Jergen
I wonder if people will come to regret buying this movie since this isn't the type of movie you will watch over and over. I bet we will see a bunch of used copies for sale at Blockbuster and Hollywood Video in a few months after the hype dies down.

doubtful, the jesus freaks will revel in their clever idea of having a christmas time "passion" viewing each year and snuggle aroung the campfire until the passion 2: the resurection comes out next easter...

[Jackskeleton]

Well it's pretty clear you may see a lot of them in used stores simply because a lot of them were sold. so it would automaticlly increase those odds. any mainstream release that is purchased a lot gets a higher risk of being sold off.

But I do believe that it isn't out of regret or anything like that. I do think they will have it as a special event viewing during those religious holidays.

[Artman]

Originally posted by MorE808
doubtful, the jesus freaks will revel in their clever idea of having a christmas time "passion" viewing each year and snuggle aroung the campfire until the passion 2: the resurection comes out next easter...

I was thinking around Easter would be a better time to hold the event. :)

I'll let ya know the when/where as soon as I get the details ironed-out!

[El-Kabong]

So I wonder how the Star Wars set will stack up in one day sales vs this movie? Christ might be big, but Star Wars is bigger still.

The only thing I can see hurting sales is that 4 discs in one set = 40-50 bucks. Passion runs what - 20 bucks? Perhaps 15 on sale at the right places? 20 bucks is easy to drop on an impulse item, where 50 is not.

[QuikSilver]

Good to hear that the disc is selling well.

[DVD Polizei]

Well, as anyone knows, you MUST have a trilogy in order to be ground-breaking. So, we have two more PASSIONS to go people.

Suck it up Satan!

[LikeMiamiVice]

if it wasnt for all the hype and controversy and blah blah..this movie would have probably been lost to obscurity

[tommy28]

Originally posted by El-Kabong
So I wonder how the Star Wars set will stack up in one day sales vs this movie? Christ might be big, but Star Wars is bigger still.

The only thing I can see hurting sales is that 4 discs in one set = 40-50 bucks. Passion runs what - 20 bucks? Perhaps 15 on sale at the right places? 20 bucks is easy to drop on an impulse item, where 50 is not.

so that would be,

1,star wars
2,the beatles
3,christ


or

1,the beatles
2,star wars
3,christ

??

[Jackskeleton]

Hey, John Lennon said it, not me.

"More Popular than Jesus"
-John Lennon(March 4, 1966)

[Jergen]

Originally posted by darkside
Like the film or not its an important piece of cinema.

Only time will tell if it becomes an "important piece of cinema." Yes, it's a financially successful film, but it's still questionable if it will become an influential film. Will it influence current and future filmmakers? Will it be studied and admired in film schools the way The Passion of Joan of Arc is?

[Jason]

Originally posted by MorE808
doubtful, the jesus freaks will revel in their clever idea of having a christmas time "passion" viewing each year and snuggle aroung the campfire until the passion 2: the resurection comes out next easter...

I would think a resurrection movie would be much more spiritually uplifting and satisfying than watching him get the stuffing knocked out of him for two hours.

[darkside]

Originally posted by Jason
I would think a resurrection movie would be much more spiritually uplifting and satisfying than watching him get the stuffing knocked out of him for two hours.

I have never understood the passion play either, but reliving Jesus getting his ass kicked is a long time tradition. It has always seemed to me to just bring out more anger and sadness in people than emotions Jesus would have wanted. You know, that whole love and care about the less fortunate nonsense that JC was into. Of course that is assuming the guy in the bible even exhisted which I don't.

I totaly agree a movie about his life or resurrection would be my choice for an annual Jesus movie. Actually my choice would be MST3K Turkey Day marathon. I really miss those.

[CincinnatiGuy]

Sorry about starting that other thread! :(

Originally posted by darkside
I totaly agree a movie about his life or resurrection would be my choice for an annual Jesus movie.
I agree. The Passion of The Christ is good for showing how much Jesus suffered for our our sins, but there's also a fair amount of scripture about the resurrection.

First, there's the discovery that Jesus' tomb was opened sometime after he was placed in it, and Mary Magdalen later meeting Him and being warned by Jesus not to touch Him:
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17)
And then there's His commandment to His disciples to carry on.

The Passion ended appropriately, but The Jesus Film has a touching resurrection scene.

[sracer]

Originally posted by Jason
I would think a resurrection movie would be much more spiritually uplifting and satisfying than watching him get the stuffing knocked out of him for two hours.

I agree. That is why I suggested alternative films that DO have replay value and show the "bigger picture".

[Dabaomb]

Originally posted by El-Kabong
So I wonder how the Star Wars set will stack up in one day sales vs this movie? Christ might be big, but Star Wars is bigger still.

The only thing I can see hurting sales is that 4 discs in one set = 40-50 bucks. Passion runs what - 20 bucks? Perhaps 15 on sale at the right places? 20 bucks is easy to drop on an impulse item, where 50 is not.

Star Wars bigger than Christ? rotfl

The Passion is a movie about Christ. It's not Christ himself. Look at how many copies of the Bible are sold. It's the #1 selling book of all time and by a landslide.

Not all Christians will own The Passion but all Christians own a Bible (granted some ppl in third world countries don't own a Bible cuz of availability and financial reasons).

Star Wars is gonna be huge but cuz it's a boxset, that will definitely hurt the sales a bit.

[Jackskeleton]

five bucks says that some crappy little film beats this 4.1 million mark in the next 4 months.

I would think that another "lord" will match or beat the number. ;)

these one day sales records get broken all the time.

[DVD Polizei]

The Passion of Allah...1.5 Billion DVDs sold the first day of release. Why? Because you're forced to buy it or have your head cut off.

[CincinnatiGuy]

Originally posted by DVD Polizei
The Passion of Allah...1.5 Billion DVDs sold the first day of release. Why? Because you're forced to buy it or have your head cut off.
Don't you know it's the religion of peace? ;)

[Jah-Wren Ryel]

Hey Cinci guy, you did know that Jesus is probably in the top 5 of the muslim pantheon, right? Ohh the irony of ignorance.

[baracine]

Originally posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
Hey Cinci guy, you did know that Jesus is probably in the top 5 of the muslim pantheon, right? Ohh the irony of ignorance.

Exactly and that is why the Jew-hating radical Saudis are going to buy the "Passion" in droves, therefore making Mel a billionnaire.

[darkside]

Originally posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
Ohh the irony of ignorance.

Speaking of Muslims.

[CincinnatiGuy]

Originally posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
Hey Cinci guy, you did know that Jesus is probably in the top 5 of the muslim pantheon, right? Ohh the irony of ignorance.
Of course I know Muslims regard Jesus (al-Masih 'Isa ibn Maryam) as a prophet.

[Joe Molotov]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
five bucks says that some crappy little film beats this 4.1 million mark in the next 4 months.

I would think that another "lord" will match or beat the number. ;)

these one day sales records get broken all the time.

This isn't biggest release ever, only the biggest R-rated release ever. It'll probably get broken eventually, but I don't see much coming out in the next 4 months that would do it. Troy probably has the best chance of anything I can think of, but I don't really see it doing those kind of numbers.

[CincinnatiGuy]

Records are alright, but look at the effects this glorious film has had on people.

To me, that's more important than records. :)