from the trailer it doesn't look too bad. the shot of the ghost on the stairs is neat.
Obey The D
08-21-04, 02:05 AM
Takashi Shimizu directed it, not Sam Rami.
asianxcore
08-21-04, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Obey The D
Takashi Shimizu directed it, not Sam Rami.
I thought Raimi was directing the remake and that Shimiza directed the original.
someone clear this up, Raimi's name is mentioned in the beginning of the trailer.
Obey The D
08-21-04, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by asianxcore
I thought Raimi was directing the remake and that Shimiza directed the original.
someone clear this up, Raimi's name is mentioned in the beginning of the trailer.
I believie Rami may be a producer. I am certain that it was directed by Shimizu.
Trigger
08-21-04, 02:58 AM
Produced by: Raimi and Tapert. That's why their names are there.
beefjerky
08-21-04, 03:00 AM
Man, these asian directors definitely need to get some freaking credit. No mention of the directors on either this or Hero. I bet Ring 2 is going to be the same. It's bad enough that a lot of the people seeing these movies don't know they're remakes.
Trigger
08-21-04, 03:04 AM
from the trailer -
http://members.cox.net/trigger/grudge.jpg
beefjerky
08-21-04, 03:33 AM
I should've said that there's no mention of the director's other than the miniscule print in the credits. The trailers try to pass off these films as though they were directed by someone else.
Jackskeleton
08-21-04, 04:38 AM
Sam is producing this under his new company.
Shot for shot looks just like the original.. I like! the original scared the shit out of me watching it alone in the dark.
I'm really up for this film as it will be some nice stuff.
movieking
08-21-04, 08:53 AM
I read somewhere that this is the first North American remake of a Japanese movie that had the same director as the original.
Lara Means
08-21-04, 11:38 AM
Sam Raimi hardly has anything to do with this movie.
Duder
08-21-04, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by beefjerky
I should've said that there's no mention of the director's other than the miniscule print in the credits. The trailers try to pass off these films as though they were directed by someone else.
From the screencap above, it looks like Shimizu's name is using the same font and size as Raimi's name. Sure, the studio is going to capitalize on name recognition, but they're hardly lying, or hiding who the real director is.
Trigger
08-21-04, 08:38 PM
yeah - he's listed twice.
eXcentris
08-22-04, 12:03 AM
Same confusion occurs when people say "Luc Besson's Taxi".
Jackskeleton
08-22-04, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by Lara Means
Sam Raimi hardly has anything to do with this movie.
Welcome to Hollywood. Please wipe your green off at the door.
Marketing is a big part of the studio life. You get a project and you pull as many big names you can that are somewhat involved. Geller is of course the big star of it. But when you have Raimi's company doing it you pull his name out also because of the spidey fame. Simple as that it will confuse folks into what role Raimi has involved in it and you sell it. Nothing wrong with it. This is one of the flagship films for his company so I doubt he has anything negative to say about that course of action.
Tarantino
08-22-04, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Welcome to Hollywood. Please wipe your green off at the door.
Marketing is a big part of the studio life. You get a project and you pull as many big names you can that are somewhat involved. Geller is of course the big star of it. But when you have Raimi's company doing it you pull his name out also because of the spidey fame. Simple as that it will confuse folks into what role Raimi has involved in it and you sell it. Nothing wrong with it. This is one of the flagship films for his company so I doubt he has anything negative to say about that course of action.
Yeah, people, haven't you been paying attention?
Quentin Tarantino presents...Hero
Jackskeleton
08-22-04, 03:47 PM
Well, let me be the first to thank you Tarantino, for making such a great film and presenting it to us..
Oh wait... not only did you not direct it? but you aren't even the same Tarantino? WTF?! oh well.. whatever will get people's butts in the seats.
Zodiac_Speaking
08-22-04, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Lara Means
Sam Raimi hardly has anything to do with this movie.
That's hardly the truth. While he isn't smothering the director, he has made numerous casting choices as well as other decisions. I've read some interesting articles in the rcent Rue Morgue and Fango issues. So, it more than just having his name attached to it.
Can't wait for this.
rabbit77
10-05-04, 03:48 PM
Bump since the commercials are now in regular rotation on TV. They're really creepy, too. The thing going down the stairs reminds me of the scene at the end of Ringu.
matome
10-05-04, 04:29 PM
Can't wait to see this!
Suprmallet
10-05-04, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by beefjerky
Man, these asian directors definitely need to get some freaking credit. No mention of the directors on either this or Hero. I bet Ring 2 is going to be the same. It's bad enough that a lot of the people seeing these movies don't know they're remakes.
Actually, the only things I know about The Ring 2 is that it's directed by Hideo Nakata and it's not a remake of the Japanese Ring 2. So there you go.
As for this, I won't be seeing it. The original did nothing for me and this looks to be the same.
cultshock
10-05-04, 05:54 PM
Looking forward to checking it out. :up:
meritocracy
10-05-04, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Suprmallet
Actually, the only things I know about The Ring 2 is that it's directed by Hideo Nakata and it's not a remake of the Japanese Ring 2. So there you go.
As for this, I won't be seeing it. The original did nothing for me and this looks to be the same.
Couldn't agree more. :up:
Brent L
10-05-04, 08:10 PM
I can't decide if I should watch the original before seeing the remake or not. :(
harosa
10-05-04, 11:03 PM
Considering they look the same in alot of scenes, and if they follow the great scares of the original i say see it in theatres first to experience the frights in a big theatre.
eXcentris
10-06-04, 10:46 AM
This looks like an exact copy of the original. Bleh...
Jackskeleton
10-06-04, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by eXcentris
This looks like an exact copy of the original. Bleh...
uh.. because it's a remake. Amazing how that whole "remake" thing works out right?
UKingdom
10-06-04, 05:11 PM
pretty creepy ass poster too
UKingdom
10-06-04, 05:12 PM
also kind of cool having the same director do it; with a bigger budget, it's a way of him maybe tweaking his original and maybe doing things he wanted to do the first time around, a la star wars special edition
Kerborus
10-06-04, 09:15 PM
I loved the original but would recommend casual fans wait for the remake. While I liked the original 'Ring' I really loved the updated, bigger budget, hollywood version of the Ring even more. I'm hoping they will do for the Grudge, what they did for the Ring.
covenant
10-07-04, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Kerborus
While I liked the original 'Ring' I really loved the updated, bigger budget, hollywood version of the Ring even more.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. Even tho the purists will think Blasphemy to even consider the hollywood version.
I watched the US version of The Ring and it haunted me for weeks there after. When I finally got my hands on the Japanese version I was less than impressed. Don't get me wrong it was a good story but it didn't scare me in the least.
In the same vein I look forward to the new version of the Grudge.
Naturally I'll also buy the original.
Is it just me, or is Japanese/Asian horror (or their entire movie industry for that matter) full of fresh ideas that we rarely get from Hollywood?
Gerry P.
10-07-04, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Shot for shot looks just like the original.. I like! the original scared the shit out of me watching it alone in the dark. It looks so close that they should have just CGI'd Sarah Michelle Gellar into the original. What a waste of millions.
Jackskeleton
10-07-04, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Gerry P.
It looks so close that they should have just CGI'd Sarah Michelle Gellar into the original. What a waste of millions.
Because Average americans would normally not want to watch a subtitled film and if he could remake it with a nice budget then I'm all for it.
Gerry P.
10-07-04, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Because Average americans would normally not want to watch a subtitled film and if he could remake it with a nice budget then I'm all for it. Those are called "Below Average" Americans.
p.s. The original didn't seem constrained by budget to me.
harosa
10-07-04, 07:45 AM
Well, "Below Average" Americans are the majority you elitist-lol. Besides, if this is more a shot for shot remake, kind of like The Ring was in places, the initial horror comes from the first viewing, you see the Japanese version first, you're more prepared for the shocks of the US version, same thing if you see the remake first and then hunt down the original release.
RocShemp
10-07-04, 11:57 AM
Is there a better trailer out there? Cos the one I saw (and don't get me started on the TV spots) didn't make me wet my pants like all of you here. I'm hoping it's just that the trailer I saw sucked cos I don't get the excitement.
Jackskeleton
10-07-04, 12:19 PM
Cos the one I saw......didn't make me wet my pants like all of you here
So those rubber pants really do work at keeping all that leakage sealed in. :o
Ju-on was a hit or miss for most folks I know. Some people were freaked out while others found it boring. I don't expect anything different from this remake. As for the "Below Average" American. Yes, because everyone was rushing out to the limited release of Ju-on: The Grudge when it was playing. See the difference? Even though this film has already been floating around and has actually been playing in theaters. By releasing it with an american star such as gellar and giving it a wider opening you have the chance of making millions. Considering it is by the same director just redoing his work, I'm all for it.
I see no wrong in this course of action.
Suprmallet
10-07-04, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by covenant
I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. Even tho the purists will think Blasphemy to even consider the hollywood version.
I watched the US version of The Ring and it haunted me for weeks there after. When I finally got my hands on the Japanese version I was less than impressed. Don't get me wrong it was a good story but it didn't scare me in the least.
In the same vein I look forward to the new version of the Grudge.
Naturally I'll also buy the original.
Is it just me, or is Japanese/Asian horror (or their entire movie industry for that matter) full of fresh ideas that we rarely get from Hollywood?
Probably the reason you preferred the U.S. version is because you saw it first. I find that with The Ring, the shock is the thing. So usually the version you see first is the one that's going to scare you. I'll just say that the Japanese one scared the living daylights out of me and anyone I showed it to before the U.S. version came out. I just found the U.S. version added unecessary complications and too many jump scares.
Considering how similar The Grudge looks, you could probably see either version first and it wouldn't make any difference.
And yes, the Japanese film industry is full of ideas that would be outright rejected by Hollywood.
harosa
10-07-04, 10:39 PM
Just got my confirmation for a screening in NYC on the 19th at midnight with Gellar in attendance. Funny thing is is that they want people to dress up as characters to get their pic taken with Gellar. I wonder if people are going to get dressed up in their drawers like the little boy.
Rypro 525
10-08-04, 12:35 AM
is there a reason why the original is rated R, while the remake is pg-13 if its supposingly shot for shot?
Suprmallet
10-08-04, 01:42 AM
I'm sure the remake isn't literally shot for shot, but there are a lot where he took it directly from the Japanese version.
Gerry P.
10-08-04, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by harosa
Well, "Below Average" Americans are the majority you elitist-lol.Or maybe I just think higher of most Americans than you do...you elitist-lol-hole. ;)
Mole177
10-08-04, 02:13 AM
imho, asian horror is a level higher than american.
harosa
10-08-04, 08:39 AM
Ive seen alot of Asian horror, and for a majority of the times they go more for atmosphere and genuine chills (which they do achieve) and drop the ball on ending the story in a coherent way. And Gerry, you were the one insulting the majority of americans because they dont want to see a subtitled film, where do you come off now as if you were thinking higher of them?
SunMonkey
10-08-04, 10:25 AM
Is this the movie that the same director has now remade three times?
Suprmallet
10-08-04, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by SunMonkey
Is this the movie that the same director has now remade three times?
Yes. And coming soon, look for The Grudge 2006, The Grudge 2009, and The Grudge 2...013.
eXcentris
10-09-04, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
uh.. because it's a remake. Amazing how that whole "remake" thing works out right?
ahem... if the difference between an "exact copy" and a "remake" is too subtle for you I'll try to help you out. :)
The Ring was a remake, Psycho was an exact copy.
Rival11
10-09-04, 12:17 PM
A tad bit off topic but for those who have seen the original:
How would you compare it to The Ring? Is there a faster pace? Is there more violence? Is it more of a "we need to set this soul free" piece? Do you have a quarter I can borrow?
Suprmallet
10-09-04, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Rival11
A tad bit off topic but for those who have seen the original:
How would you compare it to The Ring? Is there a faster pace? Is there more violence? Is it more of a "we need to set this soul free" piece? Do you have a quarter I can borrow?
It's nothing like The Ring, except the female ghost in it moves kind of like Sadako.
C.H.U.D.
10-10-04, 04:24 PM
I hope in the remake that they make Kayako (the ghost girl) more scary. My biggest problem with the original is that I didn't really find her scary, which brought the movie down for me.
I think the idea is scary, and the noises she makes are scary, but she herself, isn't scary. She just looks like a Japanese woman with grey makeup on who bulges her eyes a lot. She could definitely use some "grossing up" in the remake.
Suprmallet
10-14-04, 12:49 AM
Found this on Ring World (www.theringworld.com), and thought it was funny, because people keep making comments on how The Grudge looks just like The Ring:
"The Grudge - Not the Ring. 23 August. Several people have e-mailed to ask what relation The Grudge (the posters and trailers for which look more than a little familiar...) has to the Ring. The answer is: none whatsoever. The Grudge is a remake of the Japanese film Juon, which (despite being billed as "from the creators of Ringu," i.e. having Ring scriptwriter Takahashi Hiroshi as creative consultant and Ring 2 editor Takahashi Nobuyuki) is wholly separate. "
Jackskeleton
10-14-04, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by eXcentris
ahem... if the difference between an "exact copy" and a "remake" is too subtle for you I'll try to help you out. :)
The Ring was a remake, Psycho was an exact copy.
ahem. it's not an exact copy. saw it, liked it. I've seen the original a couple of times and while it follows the same story, it's told with slight changes that will bring new scares to anyone who saw the original and will work just fine for those being introduced to the story for the first time.
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