As you figured, I have read the script 'treatment' for Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, there were only a couple lines of dialogue, it was basically the story told in storybook form- from the beginning to the final bloody climax. If there is one thing I want you to gain from this review, it's that Freddy vs Jason vs Ash makes up for all of the mistakes in the first film (like missing Freddy kill scenes)!
I must keep this review vague, so New Line doesn't castrate me for real, and use the footage in the next Texas Chainsaw Massacre film- but I'll give you a taste of the forbidden fruits- because Mr. D wants his readers happy!
Freddy vs Jason vs Ash will be one of the greatest horror movies of all time, because the script shows that it understands the characters, the history of each backstory, the cliche's and most of all- the genre.
The most important thing that drives this amazing story is this one fact that has eluded all of our minds- the Necronomicon is in the Voorhees house! Sure you remember, it's in the basement, it appeared in Jason Goes to Hell- now it's all coming back to you, isn't it?
The movie takes place almost directly after Freddy vs Jason, when Freddy winks (yep, the wink was for a reason), the movie wasn't really over- did you really think it would be that easy after 25 years of terror? I'm not going to tell you anything more, except that this is probably one of the coolest 'comebacks' in the history of sequels.
Now Ash, how does he fit into the mix? Quite simply- he wants to destroy the Necronomicon and fulfill his destiny, which was prophesized in the Evil Dead series (the series couldn't end yet, he hasn't achieved his destiny). Well without me giving away the story, somehow Jason, Freddy and the "born under a bad sign" ass-kickin Ash come face to face to face- numerous times. The continuity is genuine and fantastic- every angle was thought out, there are NO plot holes that I can see and everything makes complete sense. It really almost seems like it was masterminded almost a decade ago.
Lets talk Ash: Hes the same old Ashley J. Williams that's been in the first three films- only he's older and sick of playing around. He's on a mission, and when he must make decisions between himself and other outside factors, he almost always chooses 'himself'- typical of Ash. He still works at S-mart and there just happens to be a new S-mart opening right by the 'new' Crystal Lake- wink wink.
Jason: He's the same kick-ass Ken Kirzinger looking Jason (a la Jason Lives, the best of the series), only there's a twist, and when you find out this twist- you are going to crap yourselves- no bull! Can you say better Friday the 13th movies in the future (no, he doesn't turn into a robot)?
Freddy: Oh Freddy is pissed this time, and we get to see more of the crazy looking demon Freddy- I'm so excited! He's tricky, cunning, and most of all sadistically funny. But this time Freddy has a new goal, which by the sound of it, is the biggest plan that he has ever concocted! You wanted a Nightmare on Elm Street movie, you got one!
One reason this movie is going to be a blast is that 2/3 of the movie looks to be as big as- or even bigger than- the battle at the end of Freddy vs Jason. The tone is even more serious, and the pace is quick. There isn't too much time explaining the history of the characters- we pretty much just get a short Ash flashback story- for the goons who've never seen an Evil Dead movie.
There is a new environment, which should quite interesting. The movie takes place around Christmas, so there's snow and ice and everyone is just so cheery!
But most of all, I love the "nods" to each franchise. There is a certain sequence that involved Ash, and the return of his cut off hand, which is by far one of the greatest ideas I've ever heard of; I yelled out loud, "NO FUC#!NG WAY!" It's so hard for me to keep this under wraps, because it is seriously so brilliant.
I promise you, I was afraid that this wouldn't work, but it does. Everything is perfectly packaged and sealed with a pretty (bloody) bow.
This is your new best friend Mr. Disgusting signing off...
Please Note: #1. Do NOT email me any questions, because this is the extent
that I can go, no further.
#2 Kane Hodder as of right now will 100% NOT be returning as Jason- and Ronny Yu is almost confirmed to direct...
Source: Spygirl, Bloody-Disgusting
VHS?
08-20-04, 03:05 PM
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=380491&perpage=25&pagenumber=2
Middle of page.
And your 1 of only a couple that like the idea from the looks of it after I posted it.
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 03:41 PM
Hockey Mask, yes... Bladed Glove, Yes... Boomstick, Probably not... (06.02)
Jason vs. Freddy vs. Ash? That's the rumor floating around this pile of clutter we call the internet.
My advice, don't hold your breath. Chances are, we'll be seeing Joanie Loves Chachi Loves Ash first.
Get Me Coffee
08-20-04, 03:47 PM
Please bring in Ash!!!!!
Fielding Mellish
08-20-04, 04:14 PM
If this were another website, I would possibly say --- PLANT!
But it isn't.
So I won't. ;)
scott1598
08-20-04, 05:07 PM
Even if it was just Freddy vs. Jason 2 without Ash I would see it because the first was just rip roaring fun! Sure, it wasn't a great movie, but it meshed two horror franchises and meshed them well imo.
It was fun and that's all it needed to be. Just reading that little thing by Wizard has me giddy. It was well written and if true seems like the next will be just as fun, if not way more with the addition of another very enjoyable character that is all about fun and good times, good times.
Fun is all I am looking for from these movies, a little excitement, but most of all some no nonsense, leave your brain at home fun and enjoyment. This already seems destined to be so...
The Wizard
08-20-04, 08:24 PM
New Line nagiotiatied with Sam Raimi to use the character of Ash, Ronny Yu will direct. This is a very new story and not an older one form like December 2003. Trust me, this will be released.
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 08:29 PM
Hockey Mask, yes... Bladed Glove, Yes... Boomstick, Probably not... (06.02)
Jason vs. Freddy vs. Ash? That's the rumor floating around this pile of clutter we call the internet.
My advice, don't hold your breath. Chances are, we'll be seeing Joanie Loves Chachi Loves Ash first.
PalmerJoss
08-20-04, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by The Wizard
New Line nagiotiatied with Sam Raimi to use the character of Ash, Ronny Yu will direct. This is a very new story and not an older one form like December 2003. Trust me, this will be released.
I seem to recall Bruce Campbell being asked about this and he replied something to the effect of "I've only heard rumors and haven't seen a script", so unless I see an official announcement I'm going on the side of skepticism.
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 08:41 PM
^^^Exactly. No point in counting eggs before you get the damn chicken.
The Wizard
08-20-04, 09:49 PM
It's don't count your eggs before they hatch, and that interview of Bruce only hearing rumors was made in like November 2003. It's been a long time. Bruce gave up on hiding that he was attached to the film about 2 months ago. Trust me this film WILL HAPPEN!
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 10:08 PM
I was taking it a step further. At this point we don't have a chicken to lay those damn eggs so we could even count them.
Bruce-campbell.com has him debunking the rumor as of 6/02
http://bruce-campbell.com/
Hockey Mask, yes... Bladed Glove, Yes... Boomstick, Probably not... (06.02)
Jason vs. Freddy vs. Ash? That's the rumor floating around this pile of clutter we call the internet.
My advice, don't hold your breath. Chances are, we'll be seeing Joanie Loves Chachi Loves Ash first.
In other words, nothing to report on our end.
Hey, what do you know.. that was this month. Trust me, if it is going to happen we need more proof other then good ol' internet rumors.
This new articles were just being rehatched simply because AVP did so well in the box office take in and the Hollywood reporter sucks for info on mondays. That is where this all comes from. The Hollywood reporter article as every online story has been using that as it's source.
If it's happening it's still not anounced and to me, that means it's still a pipe dream.
The Wizard
08-20-04, 10:12 PM
go to Bloody Disgusting or Upcominghorrormovies.com and the UHM message board.
necros
08-20-04, 10:23 PM
Bruce Campbell's own website (www.bruce-campbell.com) states that this film is flat-out not happening. Although, he could be lying just to pull a funny. Or it could be a brand new development. But personally unless I see a truly official announcement, I won't believe it.
Though, I would love to see Ash again so I do hope it does somehow happen.
monkeyboy
08-20-04, 10:26 PM
Please god no. I'd hate to see Ash pulled into that crap. I'm all for seeing more of Bruce Campbell, but give me another Evil Dead over another VS. debacle.
The Wizard
08-20-04, 10:32 PM
He was just doing that to hype you guys up or it's an old post on his webiste.
They already confirmed Campbell was lying so he could let it sneek past the fanboys because he knows if they find out they'll get the script leaked and It'll be ruined. Ash will obviously win the battle though because he is mortal and cannot be brought back if he dies....well maybe.
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 10:41 PM
OOooooh.. Ooookay. He was doing it to give us the ol' switch a roo.. -rolleyes- Give me some proof and I'll start believing such a "cool new member". till then or till it's announced I'll be one saying internet rumor.
The Wizard
08-20-04, 10:49 PM
I gave you the places to go! Scroll up the top.
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by The Wizard
go to Bloody Disgusting or Upcominghorrormovies.com and the UHM message board.
BAW HA H AHA HA HAHA HAH AH AH AHAH :LOL: You call this sources?
8/18/04
I thought I'd add this film to the UHM database since we all know it's gonna happen, it's just a matter of when, especially with New Line really backing up the idea of a sequel. With that being said, they are in talks with writer/direct Sam Raimi to try to get iconic horror-hero Ash from the Evil Dead series in the horror match-up. Personally I like the idea, because Ash is a badass character in my opinion, and he'd bring a lot of his own unique style to the film.
seems like one whack jobs colorful commentary and wishful dreaming without any shred of proof.
If you follow the paper trail from the other thread about this.
Cinescape and Chud.com both used Hollywood reporter's article as a source. Hollywood Reporter wrote the article because their monday editions are paper thin with simple weekend box office takes. So any article relating to the subject or the big event of the weekend is always a plus. In this case AVP just hit huge box office numbers and so they were looking to see what other possible VS films were in the pipe line. they look at the rumors of ASH in the next JASON VS FREDDY which where already tons of rumors for sometime now and it's not hard to write a possibility. At this point that is all their is to this.... a simple chance. Look at the news articles "Ash MAY be in the next..." "sam raimi COULD direct"
At this point it's all rumors and with Bruce flat out saying it's not going to happen any time soon on his official site, I trust that a shit lot more then some fanboy's cheap ass horror site.
I gave you a RELIABLE place to go.. Burce Campbells very own website where he debunks this. Can this happen? sure. It's a good chance it can. Is it happening right now? Hell no. it's debunked from this month. THIS MONTH. it's not that old of an update. The internet is full of lies. Do not trust every joe off the street who says he has some inside info. When it's announced it will be news. Till then it's just fanboy pipedreams.
The Valeyard
08-20-04, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by The Wizard
They already confirmed Campbell was lying so he could let it sneek past the fanboys
WHO confirmed he was lying?
Andrew
Jackskeleton
08-20-04, 11:48 PM
No man!1 dont U read betweeeeeen the Linees!?!?1 He was trying to toss us off the scent so he wouldn't get in trouble man!!!11 that sneaky sneaky bruce!
MovieMaster11
08-21-04, 01:42 AM
What i wanna know is which Rapper will be in this movie? :lol:
Mr. Cinema
08-21-04, 12:11 PM
Nooooooooo! Leave Ash out of this movie! He doesn't belong. I'd rather have the original 2 fight again.
If you're gonna add another character, then add another undead killer, like Michael Myers! I would rather see the "monsters" fight each other instead of throwing Ash in, who is just a "human being".
The only thing I have read that sounded believeable was in a magazine after F vs J came out, I believe it was Entertainment Weekly. They said the producer was wanting to get Michael Myers for part 2. PLEASE, NO ASH.
Ketamine
08-21-04, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Cinema
If you're gonna add another character, then add another undead killer, like Michael Myers! I would rather see the "monsters" fight each other instead of throwing Ash in, who is just a "human being".
But Ash is not just a human being. He walked through hundreds of demons, monster, and such without breaking a sweat. He can fit in nicely against these 2 heavy weights if done right.
DRG
08-21-04, 01:53 PM
The problem with using Michael Myers is that he doesn't bring anything new to the table. He essentially has the same strengths as Jason, but he's not as strong or invincible. He's not so much a supernatural being as Jason... he has proven hard to kill but he's not a complete zombie like Jason is. Mistake or not, at least Ash brings a different element to the mix.
clemente
08-21-04, 03:14 PM
If you're going to add a new characters, you have to make sure its one that speaks! Granted, Freddy can carry the banter for all of them....but its hard to make anything of an A/B shot between a mute Jason and a mute Michael Myers.
Rivero
08-21-04, 03:19 PM
This is the dumbest idea I've heard in some time. Leave the character of Ash out of this shit.
Rivero
08-21-04, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by The Wizard
Trust me this film WILL HAPPEN!
I hope to God you're wrong.
jaeufraser
08-21-04, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Rivero
I hope to God you're wrong.
Eh why. At worst you'll get a fun stupid genre movie with Ash on the big screen, leading to box office success and a much higher probability of Evil Dead 4 being made. On the other hand, they could not make this and we'd never see Ash again.
I mean seriously, Evil Dead movies are great but Ash is a B movie character, he'd be right at home in this silliness. And we'd get to see Ash on the big screen! I'm all for it, I thought FvJ was a fun dumb genre movie with gore and violence and titties. Good stuff.
The Wizard
08-22-04, 12:07 PM
Thank you jaeufraser!!!
I canno wait to see this movie. This is Ash's first appearence since I believe 92'
The Wizard
08-22-04, 01:11 PM
If anyone doesn't believe me on this, here is a report from CNN.
:D
that's a pretty good rewording of the Hollywood Reporter article. discussions does not mean that something will definitely be made. they've been working on the next Superman movie for a decade... true, it's heated up in recent years due to huge box office takes for most comic book films... but that does not mean that something is going to be made for certain!
don't count your chickens just yet. just because CNN reports something doesn't mean that it's true!
-di doctor-
The Wizard
08-22-04, 01:46 PM
Here is a transcript from Ash himself, Bruce Campbell.
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Bruce Campbell, who plays Ash in the various Evil Dead films, confirmed to SCI FI that there has been talks among the New Line circles to bring in "Ash" to fight "Freddy" and "Jason":
But Campbell added that nothing is imminent. "As I've been explaining to people, this wouldn't be a movie where you could just make a phone call and go, 'Let's do it,' and then it all happens," Campbell said in an interview. "You've got three franchises."
Campbell added, "[That] means you have 17 lawyers, each going, 'Yeah, look at my franchise. Yeah, look at my franchise.' So you have to get past that. Then you have to get past the question of 'how will the characters be treated?' What would you do with Ash? There's no way I'd be in it if I lost. No way. The good guy has to win, especially in that movie. You couldn't kill two whole franchises, but we could sure maim them."
Obviously, New Line won't kill off the cult hero Ash, so It looks like it will happen.
scott1598
08-22-04, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by jaeufraser
Eh why. At worst you'll get a fun stupid genre movie with Ash on the big screen, leading to box office success and a much higher probability of Evil Dead 4 being made. On the other hand, they could not make this and we'd never see Ash again.
I mean seriously, Evil Dead movies are great but Ash is a B movie character, he'd be right at home in this silliness. And we'd get to see Ash on the big screen! I'm all for it, I thought FvJ was a fun dumb genre movie with gore and violence and titties. Good stuff.
very well said!
Jackskeleton
08-22-04, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by The Wizard
If anyone doesn't believe me on this, here is a report from CNN.
:D
again, The Hollywood reporter started this up again in it's monday edition because they wanted a story that related to the success of AVP. The Hollywood Reporter is a trustworthy source. A shit lot more then your links you provided and all CNN is doing is the same thing cinescape, chud, and all the other online news outlets did... Which is report what the reporter was reporting. Still proves nothing and your point hasn't been made. Infact, you are just proving my point.
The sudden talk about this isn't because any prgress has been made towards this project. It's simply because another VS films was successful in it's opening weekend (but has now had a huge drop) and they needed a story that related to that. The talk about ASH joining the mix has been around since the day after Jason Vs Freddy was released and to this day it's still what it was back then.. Fucking lame rumors. So stop trying to suggest that all the parties have signed it in stone and that this is a go. Cause it's nothing but a pipe dream at this point.
http://www.petridish.net/pics/16602/walkaway.jpg
The Wizard
08-22-04, 04:23 PM
You just don't want to believe that it is coming out because you don't want it to ruin Ash.
Jackskeleton
08-22-04, 04:49 PM
No,
I personally don't care what they do to ash. I would watch it if it's made. But the problem is at this point in time it's nothing more them rumors. And all the "PROOF" that you are providing is as good as air in your hand. There is no proof this is happening. I already pointed out that the only reason this came back into the spot light was because AVP did a good box office opening and the Hollywood Reporter was looking for stories that related to that subject of VS films. The moment they released that then all the online news junkets jumped on it like flies on shit. CNN reworded it.
That doesn't change the fact that there is nothing new or nothing of proof that this film is in the works yet or any progressive steps to get this going have even started. The only thing that were proved was that There is interest in this. I don't see why you are standing by the fact that this is already set in stone when you post the interview with bruce saying that it's to early to tell because their is so many things involved to getting this off the ground. I've been trying to talk sense into you to realize where the paper trail of all this is coming from.. All from the reporter, which was just digging up an old article that has been around since FvJ was released but you are as stubborn as a mule and still have no proof with the lack of (reliable)sources you are citing.
Like bruce said.. DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH. know what that means?
The Wizard
08-22-04, 06:54 PM
Fine.
But I'm still gonna believe it'll happen...someday.
jaeufraser
08-22-04, 09:33 PM
Geesh who cares, rumor or not it's quite possible this might happen. Sure we don't know, but I believe this thread is for speculation and commenting on it, and also that script review which sounds fine enough to me.
Sure there's no real proof in all these stories, but the simple fact they're making the rounds gives some possibility of this film being made. With the large opening of FvJ, it'd be stupid to pretend that execs aren't at least considering this.
Jackskeleton
08-22-04, 10:20 PM
But I'm still gonna believe it'll happen...someday.
no doubt that it MIGHT happen someday. But much like AVP and FVJ, how long did those take to get off the ground? Till there is more solid proof from sources we can depend on their is far more films to worry about that are already going down the production process in getting done to look forward to.
Rivero
08-23-04, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by jaeufraser
Eh why. At worst you'll get a fun stupid genre movie with Ash on the big screen, leading to box office success and a much higher probability of Evil Dead 4 being made.
No, at worst you'll just get a stupid movie that cheapens the Evil Dead franchise and denies Evil Dead fans a REAL continuation of the story. Freddy and Jason were always garbage to begin with so it's no big deal if they keep making these video-game flicks using those franchises. But The Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 are great films(yes, great films) and bringing back Campbell this way would be an insult. Again, leave Ash out of this shit.
Rivero
08-23-04, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by The Wizard
Fine.
But I'm still gonna believe it'll happen...someday.
When you wish upon a star....
The Wizard
08-23-04, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
no doubt that it MIGHT happen someday. But much like AVP and FVJ, how long did those take to get off the ground? Till there is more solid proof from sources we can depend on their is far more films to worry about that are already going down the production process in getting done to look forward to.
Freddy vs Jason: 10 years
Alien vs. Predator: 16 Years
But now, that the Versus movies are fool proof and will pretty much become huge sucesses, at most 2 or 3 years now.
The Wizard
08-23-04, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Rivero
No, at worst you'll just get a stupid movie that cheapens the Evil Dead franchise and denies Evil Dead fans a REAL continuation of the story. Freddy and Jason were always garbage to begin with so it's no big deal if they keep making these video-game flicks using those franchises. But The Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 are great films(yes, great films) and bringing back Campbell this way would be an insult. Again, leave Ash out of this shit.
Dude. Relax, Calm down, smoke a joint.
No. If the script review is real, then I'd just shut your mouth right now. Besides Evil Dead 1 was pretty bad. The 2 sequals are gold.
Freddy and Jason are not garbage. They are on par with Ash! They are B movies characters dammit! Ash is the most likely to go into the franchise and there is nothing you can do about it. Hell! He's the only choice. Leatherface's TCM movie took place back in 73' He's either dead or at an Old Folks home by now! New Line (god forbid) doesn't want to waste cash on buying a non studio charcater like Pinhead or Michael Myers. Why pay twice as much for them when you can get Ash. The B Movie Badass! At worst he'll win the movie and kick Freddy and Jason's asses. And Freddy vs. Jason IS NOT A VIDEO GAME FLICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There will never be an Evil Dead 4!!!! Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell already said there will not be one! You cannot judge a movie before you see it either!!!!!!! Did you read the script? No.
So just stop bad mouthing Freddy and Jason. Ash is the only choice fr a 3 way VS. Movie.
Anyway, I heard a rumor on the net that if Freddy vs. jason vs. Ash does get made (crosses fingers) Then they might have Jason as a deadite, remember the book of the dead in the Vorhees house? And that would explain why he keeps coming back.
Jackskeleton
08-23-04, 04:21 PM
But now, that the Versus movies are fool proof and will pretty much become huge sucesses, at most 2 or 3 years now.
Well it was fool proof for that first weekend, but I think that seeing how fast AVP dropped from week to week it will question some folks to either how good AVP was and will also link to VS films being all that. I still think we will see a FvJ 2. But I'm a little skeptical that ASH will be included unless we hear a formal anouncement about it. There is no way production could start on this and we NOT know if Bruce is onboard.
There will never be an Evil Dead 4!!!! Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell already said there will not be one! You cannot judge a movie before you see it either!!!!!!! Did you read the script? No.
So just stop bad mouthing Freddy and Jason. Ash is the only choice fr a 3 way VS. Movie.
I do find it odd that you discount any possiblity that Evil Dead 4 could ever come to be. I say this because you are so gunho about FvJvA. To me both are just rumors. Bruce and Sam have both stated that there is no plans for evil dead 4 but if one or the other wanted to do it then they would take it from there. The important aspect that has been said is that Bruce wouldn't do it unless sam was directing. Sam is busy till 2007 with spidey 3. So the earliest possible chance to see any sign of an Evil Dead 4 is after that.
Can it happen? Yes. very much so. But is it going to happen anytime soon? No. But for you to say that FvJvA is a go and Evil Dead 4 is dead in the water is silly. I see your problem as only hearing rumors on the internet. Guess what, the internet is not a source to depend on. Especially since you got that rumor from AICN. they are terrible, terrible... TERRIBLE! :p Forget rumors. their is plenty of reliable sources to look to online and you seem to point those who run with rumors. Check out the hollywood reporter or the officia websites of those who would be involved.
Will there be a FvJ2? Yes. will it include ash? We don't know yet.
TCM movie took place back in 73' He's either dead or at an Old Folks home by now!
But the remake was considered a success. The character is still fresh in the minds of folks. Can they work him in as a VS character? If they tried.. though I wouldn't like that either.
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