I had read that it was coming out on Oct. 5 but then I saw this:
"Moore said he had hoped to have "Fahrenheit 9/11" out on DVD before the November election, but that the film could continue to play in theaters through year's end and into 2005. "So I don't know really what that means now in terms of the DVD," Moore said."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/25/entertainment1429EDT0023.DTL
(Let's keep this free of threadcraps)
PopcornTreeCt
07-25-04, 06:04 PM
Well the thread is gone so I might as well say something else. I think a 2005 dvd release would probably hurt its sales. I mean whomever the president is in 2005 the movie is not gonna matter anymore.
Jackskeleton
07-25-04, 06:37 PM
Well it would be an interesting move. I mean if it is still very successful in theaters it could have a very very nice theater run bringing in way more. Add a rush campaign near election time and you will get a great deal of people going back to the theaters to see this. I have talked to many folks who have never even seen a documentary or even dreamed to see one in a theater see this film because of it's media hype. If you add that near election time you can get very nice box office sales.
So perhaps throwing it on home video just yet isn't the best idea. But the only problem is.. in 2005, will people care to buy this on dvd? The president will most likely be different because of the film and folks will not want to bother buying it unless motivated to do so with a pre-november dvd release.
Peep
07-25-04, 07:00 PM
"Lost In Translation" continued to do well in the theaters when it was released on DVD.
Dead
07-25-04, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
So perhaps throwing it on home video just yet isn't the best idea. But the only problem is.. in 2005, will people care to buy this on dvd? The president will most likely be different because of the film and folks will not want to bother buying it unless motivated to do so with a pre-november dvd release.
If the President remains the same, then it could do very well with it's primary market when it goes to DVD... even if that happens to be a couple of years down the road. If Kerry wins, then I agree it may see weaker sales though.
Jackskeleton
07-25-04, 08:38 PM
If the president remains the same, then yes, the market will still be there and those not pleased with the current leadership will just have another way to vent out by buying it.
Either way, this will get good theater box office numbers come closer to election, it's all up to moore on which way he wants to go with it. Milk it in theaters a little more or go for Home Video.
marty888
07-25-04, 08:59 PM
If it stays with the October 5 date. that means it has another 12 weeks or so in the theaters before the DVD hits the streets. At that point, the financial edge would be with a DVD release - it would be a huge seller for the next 4 weeks at least.
DonnachaOne
07-25-04, 09:19 PM
Loews have an exclusive deal to show Fahrenheit 911...
Loews is owned by the Carlisle Group...
The DVD release is now being held up until the elections are over...
HMMM!!!!!!
;) Of course, I'm sure that little nugget has nothing to do with the DVD release, but I figured I'd dispel it before someone used that info as shoddy basis for a conspiracy theory...
I'm sure the DVD will be out in time. The movie's diminishing at the Box Office. It'll play through November in select theaters but its initial run will be over very soon.
nemein
07-25-04, 09:47 PM
Of course, I'm sure that little nugget has nothing to do with the DVD release, but I figured I'd dispel it before someone used that info as shoddy basis for a conspiracy theory...
If there is any conspiracy based around that I think it means it ensures the DVD will be out before Nov. After the Carlisle Group will need the extra income to dump into Bush's reelection campaign ;)
Rammsteinfan
07-25-04, 10:57 PM
I would rather wait until after elections so he can add more about it on the DVD. I would rather have more than less.
Jack Straw
07-26-04, 12:12 AM
If Moore and Miramax are politically thinking at all, they'll release it 1-2 weeks before the election and hype the hell out of it. I'm sure that with all the $$$ the movie's already made, waiting for a more opportune time money wise is not at the top of their priorities. Removing a president they don't like is.
ChrisKnudsen
07-26-04, 04:06 AM
I agree about releasing the movie two weeks before the elections and hyping it like a motha. They should also show the movie on NBC or another public broadcast the day before the election with added footage and then only announcing this two days before the election. That would be excellent.
The Cow
07-26-04, 04:53 AM
Kinda curious on this one. I saw it and do not see any repeat value at all. I can see the political folks wanting to promote it to those who haven't seen it, but is there really much of a market for the movie itself?
billy9215
07-26-04, 08:36 AM
Tempted to crap but will not.
I think they're waiting till Oscar time.
Tempted to crap but will not.
Cheers
ThatGuamGuy
07-26-04, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by The Cow
Kinda curious on this one. I saw it and do not see any repeat value at all. I can see the political folks wanting to promote it to those who haven't seen it, but is there really much of a market for the movie itself?
I think that before the election, there would be people buying it as a form of protest against Bush (not saying it's a *good* one), sort of showing a "Look how much this title is selling!" type of thing.
Me, personally, I agree with you; unless the disc had something great, I'd likely skip it.
DrOBoogie1
07-26-04, 09:25 AM
Loews is not owned by the Carlyle Group, it is owned by Onex Corp. (Canada).
The film will make more money on home video in the fall than it will in the theaters. Video will introduce it to an entire new audience and expand its reach, including its political impact.
Also, since a studio other than the one that released it theatrically just made a deal to release the video, they will want to make the maximum amount of money possible, so I see the Oct. 5 date standing firm.
The movie will be on DVD Oct. 5.
SMB-IL
07-26-04, 10:24 AM
I think in the case of "Fahrenheit", a DVD release will just be another saturation of the movie. IFC has already shown it and Moore encourages people to download it, so it seems like, other than extras and being able to tie up the DVD with election results, it will probably seee the original Oct 5th release date.
bunkaroo
07-26-04, 10:49 AM
IFC has shown it on cable?
Josh Z
07-26-04, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by DrOBoogie1
Loews is not owned by the Carlyle Group, it is owned by Onex Corp. (Canada).
Furthermore, if Loews has an exclusive contract to show the film, someone really ought to notify all the AMC, Hoyts, Showcase, and independant theaters around here that are currently playing it.
wordtoyamotha
07-26-04, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Peep
"Lost In Translation" continued to do well in the theaters when it was released on DVD.
Excellent point.
steebo777
07-26-04, 11:19 AM
I'm pretty confident the DVD will be released sometime in October.
Mistafadedglory
07-26-04, 11:40 AM
I believe that due to election laws (McCain-Feingold) this film would not be able to be advertised (DVD or Theater) after a certain date due to it's one-sided approach. I believe that I heard that somewhere.
Groucho
07-26-04, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by SMB-IL
IFC has already shown itUh, no.
majorjoe23
07-26-04, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Mistafadedglory
I believe that due to election laws (McCain-Feingold) this film would not be able to be advertised (DVD or Theater) after a certain date due to it's one-sided approach. I believe that I heard that somewhere.
I think they would just have to be careful with how they advertise it (not showing Bush or Kerry). I've heard that some of the films advertising has already been aired this way: no mention of Bush, all the focus on the war.
DrOBoogie1
07-26-04, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Mistafadedglory
I believe that due to election laws (McCain-Feingold) this film would not be able to be advertised (DVD or Theater) after a certain date due to it's one-sided approach. I believe that I heard that somewhere.
The McCain-Feingold law on campaign finance reform is not the issue; it has nothing to do with this.
The issue is whether ads for the film can be seen as political interest ads or whether they're just ads for a film. That matter will have to be decided, but not before both sides have their lawyers present their cases to the proper regulatory board.
MoviePage
07-26-04, 04:48 PM
This DVD will suck because Michael Moore is fat. And he eats a lot. And he's FAT!!!!!! Ahahaha!!!!!!!!!111
;)
JoeR63
07-26-04, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by bunkaroo
IFC has shown it on cable?
No, the poster is confused with Moore's "The Big One," which has aired a number of times on IFC in recent months. I think this was mentioned in another thread that was discussing the release of "The Big One" on DVD as well as talking about "Fahrenheit 9/11."
Dead
07-26-04, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by MoviePage
This DVD will suck because Michael Moore is fat. And he eats a lot. And he's FAT!!!!!! Ahahaha!!!!!!!!!111
;)
I *think* this was intended as a joke. Still, given the intense feelings that often arise when Moore is discussed, I'd ask that you, and others in this thread, abstain from further comments of this nature.
DonnachaOne
07-26-04, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by DrOBoogie1
Loews is not owned by the Carlyle Group, it is owned by Onex Corp. (Canada). It recently changed hands, son.
dcprules
07-26-04, 10:26 PM
I hope they don't delay this. I was gonna see it in the theater, but I'm behind enough on movies as it is (still need to see Bourne, Anchorman, and more) and was just gonna wait for DVD since it was coming out so soon. I totally agree, though, regardless of who becomes President, this movie will lose a lot of its effectiveness if it's released after November.
wolverine1028
07-26-04, 10:36 PM
I think the fairest thing to do is to release it on election Tuesday. That way, no one can complain that DVD sales of the movie will influence the voters. But there are those that already made up their minds already.
PopcornTreeCt
07-27-04, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by wolverine1028
I think the fairest thing to do is to release it on election Tuesday. That way, no one can complain that DVD sales of the movie will influence the voters. But there are those that already made up their minds already.
I think that's the best idea. That way at least Miramax could say that they didn't try to influence the vote. And if Bush wins, Moore can complain that he tried to release the DVD earlier.
MoviePage
07-27-04, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Dead
I *think* this was intended as a joke. Still, given the intense feelings that often arise when Moore is discussed, I'd ask that you, and others in this thread, abstain from further comments of this nature.
The wink indicates the joke, aimed at those who think such comments represent valid criticism of the film. But fair enough. :)
Case01
07-27-04, 03:17 AM
Why not buy Orwell Rolls In His Grave to hold you over?I highly recommend it if you liked F 9/11, this takes a look at the Media and how it works here,I wish everyone would see this:
is michael moore going to be as rich as Mel Gibson now? I mean, he had a movie which only cost $10 mil to make and only a bit more to market, and he bought it back from Disney with the help of the Weinsteins, but I'm sure he got a great deal out of it, right? Then when the dvd comes out, he's gotta be able to negotiate an even sweeter deal. Hell, maybe he'll be able to fund the next election's campaign!
Maybe in 2008 it will be Mel Gibson vs. Michael Moore?
DrOBoogie1
07-27-04, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by DonnachaOne
It recently changed hands, son.
Actually, the deal hasn't closed yet and Carlyle is not buying it all, nor is it buying it alone.
A press release:
June 23- Onex Corporation (TSX:OCX) announced today that it and Oaktree Capital Management, LLC, its partner in Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation and Grupo Cinemex ("Loews"), have reached an agreement to sell the business to a corporation formed by Bain Capital, The Carlyle Group and Spectrum Equity Investors for C$2.0 billion. Onex and Oaktree will retain the Loews interest in Cineplex Galaxy, which operates the Loews theatre business in Canada as well as Galaxy Entertainment and trades on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol CGX.UN.
Loews is the third largest movie theater chain in the global motion picture exhibition industry, with over 200 theaters and 2,200 screens worldwide. The assets being acquired include Loews' operations in the U.S., Grupo Cinemex, and its 50% interests in Megabox Cineplex of Korea and Yelmo Cineplex of Spain. Onex' share of the cash proceeds is expected to be approximately C$775 million. In addition, Onex will continue to own units of Cineplex Galaxy, which have a current market value of approximately C$105 million.
<snip>
DrOBoogie1
07-27-04, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by PopcornTreeCt
I think that's the best idea. That way at least Miramax could say that they didn't try to influence the vote. And if Bush wins, Moore can complain that he tried to release the DVD earlier.
Miramax is NOT releasing the DVD; they have nothing to do with it. And anyone who wants to make money on this thing better have it out in plenty of time for the election. It will be out Oct. 5.
Josh Z
07-27-04, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Mistafadedglory
I believe that due to election laws (McCain-Feingold) this film would not be able to be advertised (DVD or Theater) after a certain date due to it's one-sided approach. I believe that I heard that somewhere.
You probably heard that on Fox News, and it was completely false.
ThatGuamGuy
07-27-04, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Pasolini
is michael moore going to be as rich as Mel Gibson now? I mean, he had a movie which only cost $10 mil to make
True, but, unlike Gibson, he didn't have that much cash to spare to pay for it himself. So, starting off, Gibson was already way richer.
and only a bit more to market, and he bought it back from Disney with the help of the Weinsteins, but I'm sure he got a great deal out of it, right?
No, he himself didn't buy it back. I believe that the Weinsteins bought it back and sold the distrib rights to IFC and Sony, but it may have been that the Weinsteins convinced IFC and Sony to buy it off Disney. But Moore himself didn't.
Then when the dvd comes out, he's gotta be able to negotiate an even sweeter deal.
I believe that these deals are covered in the contracts before the film is released. However, in this specific case, that may not be true, as I know the DVD release was up in the air until quite recently.
DonnachaOne
07-27-04, 02:06 PM
Dr0Boogie, where are you getting your imformation? It contrasts with what I've been informed.
DrOBoogie1
07-27-04, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by DonnachaOne
Dr0Boogie, where are you getting your imformation? It contrasts with what I've been informed.
If you mean the news about Loews, Onex and Carlyle, that press release comes direct from the Carlyle Group web site, as well as research I did on the Dow Jones Newswire.
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