Revenge of the Sith it is!!!!

[Terrell]

Return of the Jedi DVD screencaps.

http://img48.exs.cx/img48/1663/dpSlave1.png
http://img12.exs.cx/img12/8190/dpBone1.png
http://img48.exs.cx/img48/7951/dpAckbar.png
http://img14.exs.cx/img14/9196/darthpsychotic1.png
http://img23.exs.cx/img23/5163/rotj-remaster4.png


Here's the rest. Don't want to clog the thread with large files.

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1720/rotj-remaster8.png
http://img42.exs.cx/img42/5163/rotj-remaster4.png
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/3638/rotj-remaster3.png
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6352/rotj-remaster2.png

Yes, unfortunately Hayde replaces Shaw in the ghost scene at the end of ROTJ. I don't like the change, but it's the only bad one made in my opinion.

[Jackskeleton]

You got served by 4 minutes.

[Terrell]

Yeah, maybe I ought to take this down. What do you think?

[caiman]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
You got served by 4 minutes.

It's ON!

This thread is better though

[caiman]

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/8190/dpBone1.png


You know, this screencap almost makes me glad they're remastering these films. Even as a kid I remember thinking how the Rancor monster effect looked like pure shit.

[Terrell]

It's ON!

:lol:

You got served

Isn't that also the name of a British sitcom?

You know, this screencap almost makes me glad they're remastering these films. Even as a kid I remember thinking how the Rancor monster effect looked like pure shit.

Yep, the Rancor scene has been digitally recomposited. A whole lot of stuff in ROTJ has been digitally recomposited. I must admit, I've seen it and it look incredible.

Comparison shot:

LD screencap:
http://www.artanisknarf.com/3po.jpg

DVD screencap:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dukeirot/ep3/dvd-trilogy/rotj-remaster5.png

That's a compressed divx screencap, and it still look amazing.

[bhk]

Great comparison. Thanks.

[Kal-El]

That looks niiiice.

[BizRodian]

I was hoping Naboo would look a little different by ROTJ...

[Terrell]

I was hoping Naboo would look a little different by ROTJ...

Why would it look different?

[Eplicon]

Originally posted by Terrell
Why would it look different?
A few decades would have past by the time ROTJ takes place.

[Terrell]

A few decades would have past by the time ROTJ takes place.

And? My hometown looks exactly as it did 20 years ago. Unless the war extends to Naboo, which it doesn't, I'd see no reason for it too look different. The town I live in now basically looks as it did 20 years ago, other than some new buildings and a growing population.

I understand that some people wanted a completely new scene of Naboo, but I think it links the 2 trilogies quite nicely while not making a ridiculous change. I imagine Lucas is spending a ton of money on restoring, tweaking, and making these DVD. Creating an entirely new shot on the scale of the Naboo shot would be very time consuming and expensive, especially considering he's working in Episode III night and day. Who knows. All I'm saying is it would create a bigger continuity problem if it didn't look like the Naboo from TPM. It needs to look the same, or at least very similar. Different viewpoints I guess.

[Jackskeleton]

Saw the video footage of that spirit scene.. my god.. it is true..

http://www.petridish.net/pics/15083/impossible.jpg

[Breakfast with Girls]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Saw the video footage of that spirit scene.. my god.. it is true..
(sigh...)

[Ranger]

Originally posted by Kal-El
That looks niiiice.

I agree! Can't wait for the set.

[lukewarmwater]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Saw the video footage of that spirit scene.. my god.. it is true..


What spirt scene?

[Heat]

Unless he changes it, like he did the 2nd movie.

Return of the Jedi was originally Revenge of the Jedi.

[Jackskeleton]

It's a throw back to the whole revenge of the jedi thing. Very doubtful that it will be changed. as for the spirit scene. Anakin being replaced at the end of ROTJ with Hayde.

[lukewarmwater]

Does that mean alec will be replaced with ewan?

[Kal-El]

Fine fine, I'll let you guys see it.

Last few seconds of ROTJ dvd-rip (http://www.elgarsplace.com/millenniumfalcon_rotjdvd_haydenchristensen.zip) (?)

[Ranger]

After seeing that, I'd agree that it was unnecessary to change Anakin's spirit.

[Terrell]

Does that mean alec will be replaced with ewan?

No, fortunately Alec is still there.

[tofu]

Thanks.

Although its not an utterly crucial scene, having Hayden in there looks weird.

[Terrell]

Although its not an utterly crucial scene, having Hayden in there looks weird.

Well, it's crucial enough. It's obvious they took Hayden's head and placed it on Shaw's body. They should have dressed Hayden, shot him in front of a bluescreen, and had him act out the scene. Take as many takes as it needed for him to nail the scene. But his expressions aren't what they need to be because he may not have even acted that scene out. They may have just taken another shot of his head and comped it in. Shaw played the scene perfectly. I could handle it better if Hayden actually smiled at Luke, and looked over at Obi-Wan and Yoda exactly the way he was supposed to. But he looked down at first, and then slightly looked over them.

Shaw should have been left in the scene. However, I'm giddy over all the other changes and screenshots.

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by Ranger
After seeing that, I'd agree that it was unnecessary to change Anakin's spirit.

I reserve judgement till we learn in Ep3 the origin & meaning of the Jedi spirits.

I believe Anakin is going to invent this technique:
--Nobody's done it in Ep 1 or 2
--He said in Ep2 that someday he'll make it so people don't have to die


Therefore, since we don't yet know the technique, who are we to say if the ghost should be old Anakin or young Anakin?

We do not yet know the rule about whether your spirit carries your at-death image or your final-pure (before Dark Side) image. For Ben & Yoda, these two rules would present the same result--not so for Anakin. We'll find out in May 2005, I guess.

[Eplicon]

I don't really buy into the "young" Anakin at the end of ROTJ thingy at all. I think Lucas or someone's explanation was that because Anakin "died" when he turned to the dark side, that identity remained in stasis until he became free at death?

I had thought when Jedi maintained their identity at death, they could pretty much appear in whatever way they wanted. Another problem I have of young Anakin appearing is that he still remains as a rebellious punk, long hair and all. Couldn't he have at least matured by this point (after all, he is middle aged by then) and look..."normal"?

In any event, it does not explain where Jedi get their wardrobe from in spirit form, unless it is awaiting for them in the netherworld. Otherwise, shouldn't they be nekkid?

[BizRodian]

And? My hometown looks exactly as it did 20 years ago. Unless the war extends to Naboo, which it doesn't, I'd see no reason for it too look different. The town I live in now basically looks as it did 20 years ago, other than some new buildings and a growing population.

I understand that some people wanted a completely new scene of Naboo, but I think it links the 2 trilogies quite nicely while not making a ridiculous change. I imagine Lucas is spending a ton of money on restoring, tweaking, and making these DVD. Creating an entirely new shot on the scale of the Naboo shot would be very time consuming and expensive, especially considering he's working in Episode III night and day. Who knows. All I'm saying is it would create a bigger continuity problem if it didn't look like the Naboo from TPM. It needs to look the same, or at least very similar. Different viewpoints I guess.

Well, I said I was hoping, not that it should be changed and I'm mad it isn't. I think it would have been cool if Naboo had some changes done to it because of the Empire.

[BizRodian]

Hmm, the new clip shows my problem with a lot of dubbing in movies. It's not the fact so much that it's Hayden, but the fact he now plays the part totally differently. Aw well.

[Captain Harlock]

I just think the effect looks bad. It doesn't blend well with the original footage at all.

[Ranger]

Originally posted by GuessWho
I reserve judgement till we learn in Ep3 the origin & meaning of the Jedi spirits.

I believe Anakin is going to invent this technique:
--Nobody's done it in Ep 1 or 2
--He said in Ep2 that someday he'll make it so people don't have to die

Therefore, since we don't yet know the technique, who are we to say if the ghost should be old Anakin or young Anakin?

We do not yet know the rule about whether your spirit carries your at-death image or your final-pure (before Dark Side) image. For Ben & Yoda, these two rules would present the same result--not so for Anakin. We'll find out in May 2005, I guess.

Absolutely, but honestly, I don't think the spirit trick will be explained any further in Episode III - heck, I bet we'll be having a hundred page long debate on just this one debate even after all the movies have been released. I think Lucas just wants to leave it open for debate but the ROTJ change does seem like a confusing move but who knows?

[Abranut]

Godamn, that chaps my ass. I'm just imagining Sebastian Shaw's family's disapointment at seeing this new version. Not to mention the fact that I don't want the last shot of the OT reminding me of the (IMO) vastly inferior prequels.

[Terrell]

Not to mention the fact that I don't want the last shot of the OT reminding me of the (IMO) vastly inferior prequels.

You can always not buy it! But may I ask a question? If you think the prequels are that bad, and they turn you off so much, then why do you own both prequel DVDs? Please don't tell me it was for demo purposes. There are dozens of reference quality DVDs of movies you'd probably like, that you don't have to buy movies you hate.

[Lara Means]

I'd be upset if I were Obi. Anakin turns evil and kills countless innocent jedi and for some reason he keeps his good looks in the afterlife.

btw, here are more new shots in the Jedi DVD.

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/4766/vite-sw61.jpg
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/7783/rotj-remaster1.png

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by Captain Harlock
I just think the effect looks bad. It doesn't blend well with the original footage at all.

Oh come on! It is the acting that makes this bad. The effect is perfect. If you never saw the original version then this would not be jarring at all.

I am in the camp with dissapointed with this change, maily because they didn't have Hayden parrot Shaw.

Oh well not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things...

[scott1598]

What does the "Revenge of the Sith"? title refer to? and are they really putting Hayden's image in the spirit of Anakin at the end of "Return of the Jedi" for the DVD release?

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Terrell
You can always not buy it! But may I ask a question? If you think the prequels are that bad, and they turn you off so much, then why do you own both prequel DVDs? Please don't tell me it was for demo purposes. There are dozens of reference quality DVDs of movies you'd probably like, that you don't have to buy movies you hate.

Repeat yourself much?

Originally posted by Terrell
caiman, if you don't like these films, why do you have the DVDs? Please, not the "for demo purposes" excuse. I'm sure there are many reference quality DVDs of movies that you like, that you don't have to resort to owning DVDs of movies you don't. How about an honest answer?

I'm honestly considering not buying it, but then again I'll probably cave when it's on sale somewhere. In regards to your question about me owning the prequels on dvd, I'll lead you to an explanation I gave in a earlier thread where this came up.

Originally posted by Abranut
I own them, yes. I'm not afraid to admit that. I own a lot of movies. Some I like a lot more than others. I like things about the prequels (the action scenes and not much else), and the chapters on the dvd allow me to watch the parts I enjoy.

I will see Episode 3 opening night, too. I am expecting for GL to take a dump in my mouth and call it a Sundae, but I'll see it anyway because I am a SW fan. Even though the prequels and George's endless changes to the OT have killed that love for me a little bit.

If you want to post in a forum where the prequels and GL recieve little to no criticism, why don't you spend your time in the forums at www.theforce.net? It seems that you and a number of other SW fanatics at this forum have a lot of difficulty in accepting that people have differing opinions than your own. This isn't a Star Wars site, it's a dvd site. Quit crying and deal with it.
http://www.mtbforums.com/phpbb/images/smiles/mecry.gif

[Maxflier]

What exactly are the Sith getting revenge for?

[Captain Harlock]

Originally posted by Qui Gon Jim
Oh come on! It is the acting that makes this bad. The effect is perfect. If you never saw the original version then this would not be jarring at all.

I am in the camp with dissapointed with this change, maily because they didn't have Hayden parrot Shaw.

Oh well not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things...

Well that too. But the first was my initial reaction.

[Fincher Fan]

So how is Luke meant to recognise Anakin at the end if Shaw was replaced? Fair enough it ties the good and the crap trilogies together, but what about consistency within the story (not that Lucas cares about that either these days)?

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by Abranut
Repeat yourself much?



I'm honestly considering not buying it, but then again I'll probably cave when it's on sale somewhere. In regards to your question about me owning the prequels on dvd, I'll lead you to an explanation I gave in a earlier thread where this came up.



If you want to post in a forum where the prequels and GL recieve little to no criticism, why don't you spend your time in the forums at www.theforce.net? It seems that you and a number of other SW fanatics at this forum have a lot of difficulty in accepting that people have differing opinions than your own. This isn't a Star Wars site, it's a dvd site. Quit crying and deal with it.
http://www.mtbforums.com/phpbb/images/smiles/mecry.gif

If you are calling Terrell out for repeating, then try calling yourself out. We don't need to hear that this sucks and that sucks in Every. Single. Star Wars. Thread. God damn it all give it a frigging rest. We know that many don't like the prequels, but move on already.

Cool title, and I am jazzed that by the end of 2005 the SW TV cannon less the Holiday Special will be available on DVD.

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by Fincher Fan
So how is Luke meant to recognise Anakin at the end if Shaw was replaced? Fair enough it ties the good and the crap trilogies together, but what about consistency within the story (not that Lucas cares about that either these days)?

How are Yoda and Obi-Wan to recognize the old man that appears with them? It is called suspension of disbelief. If you cannot muster it, then film is probably not a great hobby for you.

[Terrell]

It seems that you and a number of other SW fanatics at this forum have a lot of difficulty in accepting that people have differing opinions than your own

No, what we have difficulty accepting is total buttwipes taking a dump in every single SW thread. It was old 3 years ago. ckolchak and I had a very good debate, where we disagreed. I didn't mind his opposite opinion because he was stating it in a respectful manner, unlike you.

Repeat yourself much?

I didn't figure you'd be able to answer that question in any reasonable way. So thanks for the copout instead.

So how is Luke meant to recognise Anakin at the end if Shaw was replaced? Fair enough it ties the good and the crap trilogies together, but what about consistency within the story (not that Lucas cares about that either these days)?

It is totally consistent within the story. Yoda and Obi-Wan have known Anakin for much of his entire life. Anakin is Obi-Wan's padawan throughout the prequels, until he turns. So of course they would recognize him. I'm still not carried away with the change, but it makes sense from that standpoint.

[KnightLerxst]

Well. I consider myself a fairly huge SW fan...although my obsession has cooled down a bit since the prequels. I have to admit I am pretty hyped up about EPIII. The title is perfect. Hopefully this movie will be the best of the Prequel Trilogy...this is the real meat and potatos...Anakin becoming Darth.

As far as the dvd's...blah...I will buy them...I will watch them...but the changes just makes me even more glad I have the Original Trilogy and the Special Editions on Laserdisc. The Pioneer Elite still has life in it.

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by scott1598
What does the "Revenge of the Sith"? title refer to? and are they really putting Hayden's image in the spirit of Anakin at the end of "Return of the Jedi" for the DVD release?

answers to these are in the thread. Shit, just look up and you'll see Hayden's image on ROTJ.

Revenge of the sith simply is a throw back to Return of the jedi's original name which was suppose to be revenge of the jedi. Jedi's don't get revenge so it was changed. So that would assume sith get revenge. As to why? Well there is the epic struggle they have had with the jedi's for countless centuries. Perhaps some events in the past between the sith and jedi have led to this revenge. Who knows and who cares. It's a good title for crying out loud. Lucas really can never win.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Terrell


Yes, unfortunately Hayde replaces Shaw in the ghost scene at the end of ROTJ.

That's it. I will not be buying this DVD set. That, right there, was the last goddamn straw.

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by Rivero
That's it. I will not be buying this DVD set. That, right there, was the last goddamn straw.

SHOCK! :rolleyes:

[Rivero]

Originally posted by GuessWho
An

We do not yet know the rule about whether your spirit carries your at-death image or your final-pure (before Dark Side) image.

And apparently neither does Lucas. If he did then he would have cast a young actor as Anakin in the spirit shot back in '83. This is such horseshit.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Terrell
No, what we have difficulty accepting is total buttwipes taking a dump in every single SW thread. It was old 3 years ago. ckolchak and I had a very good debate, where we disagreed. I didn't mind his opposite opinion because he was stating it in a respectful manner, unlike you. How am I being disrespectful for expressing my opinion? Like I said before, you guys seem to think that attacks against the prequels are attacks against you. They're not. It has nothing to do with you or Qui Gon Jim or anybody else. Get over yourselves. If you want to hear nothing but praise for the prequels and GL, go to the www.theforce.net . Otherwise, you can't blame anyone on this board who had a different opinion than you.



I didn't figure you'd be able to answer that question in any reasonable way. So thanks for the copout instead.You can call it a copout all day long, but that's an honest answer. I don't totally hate the prequels. I have never said that I absolutely hate them. I am passionate about them because like you, I love Star Wars. I wanted to love the prequels, but that was an impossibility. There are many things about them that drive me absolutely crazy and have caused me to lose most of my respect for GL as an artist and a filmmaker. The changes to the OT are offenses that I take the most seriously, and seeing that image of Hayden in ROTJ enraged me, frankly. And I have every right to let others on this board know exactly how I feel.

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by Rivero
That's it. I will not be buying this DVD set. That, right there, was the last goddamn straw.

Five bucks says you do.

I have run across this many times in my life of being a star wars fan. People will complain to high heaven about the littlest things in anything "STUPID .000 ERROR!!!" and they will still buy it the second it's infront of their face.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Five bucks says you do.

No. I will not.

[Drop]

Rivero, you were never going to buy the discs anyway. Stop acting like you even care about what Lucas does anymore. He raped your childhood years ago, there should be no such thing as a last straw.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Drop
Rivero, you were never going to buy the discs anyway.

Yes I was. It's the original, ORIGINAL trilogy I still love. The prequels I loathe and don't own. And now Hayden F****n' Christensen closes the entire series. Jesus Christ.

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by Rivero
No. I will not.


quoted to show proof come 7 months from now when it's in your dvd folder. ;)

[RyoHazuki]

So doesnt this mean the currently banned Pants owes someone a Star Wars trilogy?

[Jackskeleton]

Pants was banned? and that would be the correct thing since it's proof that the change is there.

[Bcolon]

Originally posted by Maxflier
What exactly are the Sith getting revenge for?

This is posted on Star Wars.com:

The Sith are masters of the dark side of the Force and the sworn enemies of the Jedi. They were all but exterminated by the Jedi a thousand years ago, but the evil order continued in secrecy. They operated quietly, behind the scenes, acting in pairs - a Master and an Apprentice - patiently biding their time before they could take over the galaxy. In Episode III, they'll finally exact their revenge on the Jedi.


Makes sense to me.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Pants was banned? and that would be the correct thing since it's proof that the change is there.

He said some inflammatory things in a baby/movie theater thread and was banned by Geoff himself.

[BizRodian]

And in Episode One, Maul talks with Sidious about how they'll at last get their revenge.

[Terrell]

How am I being disrespectful for expressing my opinion?

Because you're basically trolling. That's the way I see it. If you express your opinion in a useful and respectful manner, okay. But the constant smartass remarks and the thread dumps are useless. When you come into a thread just to make a smartass remark, that's not expressing an opinion. It's trolling.

And I have every right to let others on this board know exactly how I feel.

Sure you do! But how many frickin' times do you and others need to let us know about how much you hate the Lucas and the prequels.

If you want to hear nothing but praise for the prequels and GL, go to the www.theforce.net . Otherwise, you can't blame anyone on this board who had a different opinion than you.

Repeat yourself much?

Five bucks says you do.

10 bucks says who cares? I'll be enjoying them come September, and that's all that matters.

If he did then he would have cast a young actor as Anakin in the spirit shot back in '83.

Then you'd be complaining that the young actor in ESB doesn't look like Hayden.

[candyrocket786]

Originally posted by Terrell
Comparison shot:

LD screencap:
http://www.artanisknarf.com/3po.jpg

DVD screencap:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dukeirot/ep3/dvd-trilogy/rotj-remaster5.png

That's a compressed divx screencap, and it still look amazing.

I must say this is truly amazing comparison. I personally think that these DVDs will definitely set a new benchmark for the future of film restoration. Job well done :up: :up: :D


Now I'm not going to pretend the following scene doesn't bother me...cause it does. Newsflash: There's no point in bitching about it because:

A. God, George Lucas, Lucasfilm, Fox, ILM probably do not give a shit about our opinion! Plain and simple.

B. The average person will buy anything StarWars. Plain and simple.

C. Petitions, message board rants, phone calls, letters, protests, and acts of God are pretty much insignificant to the power of George Lucas.

http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6352/rotj-remaster2.png

I personally think this was all McCallum's idea

[Terrell]

Now I'm not going to pretend the following scene doesn't bother me...cause it does.

I'm not all that enthralled with it either. But for me, it doesn't ruin the entire films.

[candyrocket786]

Originally posted by Terrell
I'm not all that enthralled with it either. But for me, it doesn't ruin the entire films.

Of course not....that's why we have the choice to chapter skip or fast forward. ;)

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Terrell
Because you're basically trolling. That's the way I see it. If you express your opinion in a useful and respectful manner, okay. But the constant smartass remarks and the thread dumps are useless. When you come into a thread just to make a smartass remark, that's not expressing an opinion. It's trolling.

Repeat yourself much?


Thank goodness you're not a mod! All these threadcraps and trolling I am guilty of would undoubtedly get me suspended or worse! :rolleyes:

That was cute the way you used my phrase there. I repeated it because you obviously are still complaining about people who disagree with you. If you're the type of person who has temper tantrums whenever a person disagrees with you, you are doomed to live quite a frustrating life. I think you would be happier posting on a site where everyone shares your opinions and you can all gush about how great George's new cut of the OT is, without the threat of any kind of dissent. If you're unhappy here, why not do the rest of us a favor and either quit complaining about people who don't share your views, or leave the forum and go post somewhere else?

kthxbye

[Barry Woodward]

What I have yet to hear about is if Hayden was replaced when Vader is unmasked as well for consistancy, does anyone know? Personally, I've been in favor of this change long before rumors of it actually happening though under the condition that the original version be preserved. I just saw the clip and it looks as though Anakin has a smug look on his face that doesn't seem appropriate for the scene or maybe it's just distortion from the small, low quality clip I viewed.

[Jackskeleton]

Vader unmasked is still the same actor, only thing to it is that they digitally fixed up the face. made the eyebrows go away and man, that difference alone makes it worlds different.

[candyrocket786]

Pics?

By the way....where the hell are all the vids and menu screen caps coming from? Did I miss something?

[Jackskeleton]

http://www.petridish.net/pics/15083/vadercompare.jpg

http://www.petridish.net/pics/15083/lightsabercompare.jpg

Where are they coming from?

Internet pirates of course. YARRRRGH!

[candyrocket786]

Holy Shit!!!! The colors!!!! :D

Hell... I can't even see Shaw's likeness in the newer shot.

I hoped they fixed that annoying blotch on the Emperor's ear.

Thanks Jack.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Abranut
He said some inflammatory things in a baby/movie theater thread and was banned by Geoff himself.

geez that sucks!

[Abranut]

I was putting it nicely. He said some really foul stuff, stuff I can't really repeat here. We're not supposed to talk about banned members though. It's the 2nd rule of dvdtalk Fight Club.l

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Abranut
I was putting it nicely. He said some really foul stuff, stuff I can't really repeat here. We're not supposed to talk about banned members though. It's the 2nd rule of dvdtalk Fight Club.l

Wait, wasn't the 2nd rule ...NOT to talk baddly about Nintendo or Lucas?

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by Abranut

That was cute the way you used my phrase there. I repeated it because you obviously are still complaining about people who disagree with you. If you're the type of person who has temper tantrums whenever a person disagrees with you, you are doomed to live quite a frustrating life. I think you would be happier posting on a site where everyone shares your opinions and you can all gush about how great George's new cut of the OT is, without the threat of any kind of dissent. If you're unhappy here, why not do the rest of us a favor and either quit complaining about people who don't share your views, or leave the forum and go post somewhere else?

kthxbye

In his defense--which I know he didn't ask me for, but I give it freely anyway cuz I got a lot of love today from seeing these screen caps and DVD Menu screens--it's not about disagreeing with him about everything. It's the constant luca$/prequel bashing in any and all Star Wars threads. Start a Star Wars thread. Any benign Star Wars thread(I say "benign" because obviously a "Star Wars and Luca$ sucks" thread is an exception) and within 20 posts or less, it pretty much degenerates into how childhoods were raped and whatnot. Frankly, it really does get tiring. Take this thread for example. What's it supposed to be about? The official release of Ep3's title and screen shots of the upcoming DVDs. Instead of focusing on the fact that Star Wars is finally coming to DVD and how freakin' great the video is looking, we're all back to the same old same old shit. I think everyone's heard it all before. Seriously, how many times does one have to give all the reasons why the prequels or luca$ sucks? Heck, just ask Rivero to e-mail you his zip file of Archived Reasons Why I Hate George Lucas and be done with it. No one's ever gonna win the other side anyway. People tell us to "get over it" because there ARE people that disagree with us. Well I say "get over it" back because no amount of bitching on an Internet Messageboard is going to make a difference to that which they're bitching about so why not just enjoy what we have?

[HighSpeedOnIce]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
http://www.petridish.net/pics/15083/vadercompare.jpg

No eyebrows = No sale!! :eyebrow: :lol:

[darqleo]

(after seeing the Hayden spirit scene with Yoda and Ben as well as the other ROTJ screenshots)

Question : Why bother keeping the puppet Yoda then? Or even puppet Jabba? I thought he was making these changes for consistency? Newer technology and all that jazz?

[Terrell]

That was cute the way you used my phrase there. I repeated it because you obviously are still complaining about people who disagree with you. If you're the type of person who has temper tantrums whenever a person disagrees with you, you are doomed to live quite a frustrating life. I think you would be happier posting on a site where everyone shares your opinions and you can all gush about how great George's new cut of the OT is, without the threat of any kind of dissent. If you're unhappy here, why not do the rest of us a favor and either quit complaining about people who don't share your views, or leave the forum and go post somewhere else?

Repeat yourself much? That makes 3 times.

In his defense--which I know he didn't ask me for, but I give it freely anyway cuz I got a lot of love today from seeing these screen caps and DVD Menu screens--it's not about disagreeing with him about everything. It's the constant luca$/prequel bashing in any and all Star Wars threads. Start a Star Wars thread. Any benign Star Wars thread(I say "benign" because obviously a "Star Wars and Luca$ sucks" thread is an exception) and within 20 posts or less, it pretty much degenerates into how childhoods were raped and whatnot. Frankly, it really does get tiring. Take this thread for example. What's it supposed to be about? The official release of Ep3's title and screen shots of the upcoming DVDs. Instead of focusing on the fact that Star Wars is finally coming to DVD and how freakin' great the video is looking, we're all back to the same old same old shit. I think everyone's heard it all before. Seriously, how many times does one have to give all the reasons why the prequels or luca$ sucks? Heck, just ask Rivero to e-mail you his zip file of Archived Reasons Why I Hate George Lucas and be done with it. No one's ever gonna win the other side anyway. People tell us to "get over it" because there ARE people that disagree with us. Well I say "get over it" back because no amount of bitching on an Internet Messageboard is going to make a difference to that which they're bitching about so why not just enjoy what we have?

Couldn't have said it better myself Kal! :)

[Terrell]

I hoped they fixed that annoying blotch on the Emperor's ear.

They did!

By the Jack, thanks for the pics! I must say though the DVD rip shot of Shaw is too blue. Sort of gives it an eerie, cold feel to the scene which I sort of like. But it's still too blue.

[El-Kabong]

Originally posted by Rivero
That's it. I will not be buying this DVD set. That, right there, was the last goddamn straw.

Thank god. Perhaps now you and all the other Luca$/SE/Prequal bashers will shut the hell up and go away and stop threadcrapping in every single star wars thread.

Good riddance to you then.

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by El-Kabong
Thank god. Perhaps now you and all the other Luca$/SE/Prequal bashers will shut the hell up and go away and stop threadcrapping in every single star wars thread.

Good riddance to you then.

While I share your sentiment, I doubt he and the others will be able to stave off threadcrapping altogether. However, there IS the ignore user function which sometimes we seem to forget is available...:D

[Rivero]

Originally posted by darqleo
(after seeing the Hayden spirit scene with Yoda and Ben as well as the other ROTJ screenshots)

Question : Why bother keeping the puppet Yoda then? Or even puppet Jabba? I thought he was making these changes for consistency? Newer technology and all that jazz?

Lucas is saving THOSE changes and more for the NEXT release of his series, the Super-Extended Definitive Director's Cut No Mas Archival Special-Editions, set to be released Christmas 2007 to commemorate Star Wars' 30th Anniversay and being sold in a brand new 7-pack DVD set with ALL 6 films and a bonus disc. See, he can make more money this way. The original versions will still not be made available since it is clear Lucas is downright ashamed of the versions that made the bastard rich in the first place.

[candyrocket786]

Originally posted by Rivero
Lucas is saving THOSE changes and more for the NEXT release of his series, the Super-Extended Definitive Director's Cut No Mas Archival Special-Editions, set to be released Christmas 2007 to commemorate Star Wars' 30th Anniversay and being sold in a brand new 7-pack DVD set with ALL 6 films and a bonus disc. See, he can make more money this way. The original versions will still not be made available since it is clear Lucas is downright ashamed of the versions that made the bastard rich in the first place.

I wonder if he'll hire new actors to replace Hamill, Fisher and Ford? Might as well replace Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor to keep it in tune with the prequel trilogy. Be cool if he makes the Imperial Walker/Hoth Battle CGI (...you know the one that took the original crew over 15 months to create). Am I forgetting anything? ;)

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by Rivero
Lucas is saving THOSE changes and more for the NEXT release of his series, the Super-Extended Definitive Director's Cut No Mas Archival Special-Editions, set to be released Christmas 2007 to commemorate Star Wars' 30th Anniversay and being sold in a brand new 7-pack DVD set with ALL 6 films and a bonus disc. See, he can make more money this way. The original versions will still not be made available since it is clear Lucas is downright ashamed of the versions that made the bastard rich in the first place.

As opposed to LOTR's multi-tier DVD release. I am sure he releases 3 versions of each film purely for the love of the fans, not money. Give me a break.

Disclaimer: I love LOTR and that was not a bash. I am a huge fan of the LOTR DVD release pattern and have no problem dipping twice on a great film. I do have a problem with some that accuse Lucas and others of doing multi releases just for money while sparing th great PJ from this same criticism. News flash: THEY ARE ALL IN IT FOR THE MONEY.

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by Rivero
Lucas is saving THOSE changes and more for the NEXT release of his series, the Super-Extended Definitive Director's Cut No Mas Archival Special-Editions, set to be released Christmas 2007 to commemorate Star Wars' 30th Anniversay and being sold in a brand new 7-pack DVD set with ALL 6 films and a bonus disc. See, he can make more money this way. The original versions will still not be made available since it is clear Lucas is downright ashamed of the versions that made the bastard rich in the first place.

Which you will NOT be buying correct? And which you're not even sure is really going to happen correct? So again I ask, do you really enjoy bitching about things that you hate so much that you have to spew it in each and every Star Wars thread? Why? Just because you can? :hscratch:

[steebo777]

I dig the Episode 3 title... it's pretty classy :)

[redinger]

Originally posted by candyrocket786
I wonder if he'll hire new actors to replace Hamill, Fisher and Ford? Might as well replace Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor to keep it in tune with the prequel trilogy. Be cool if he makes the Imperial Walker/Hoth Battle CGI (...you know the one that took the original crew over 15 months to create). Am I forgetting anything? ;)

Computer generated Chewie with comical expressions and getting stuck in wacky new predicaments?

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
http://www.petridish.net/pics/15083/lightsabercompare.jpg

If the lighsabers intersect now...

How the hell do they bounce off each other when they clash?


This doesn't make sense.

[redinger]

Originally posted by Abranut
I was putting it nicely. He said some really foul stuff, stuff I can't really repeat here. We're not supposed to talk about banned members though. It's the 2nd rule of dvdtalk Fight Club.l

But how can we not talk about it, when Geoff gives us quotes like this one:

BANNED!

DVD Talk now has no Pants.

[Jackskeleton]

nope it doesn't. so instead of complaining about han not shooting first, this should be the issue. not to mention with the lack of white in the middle of the sabers it screws up years of fan films. :p

[Numanoid]

You guys have spent a couple dozen posts arguing about whether it's OK to argue about Star Wars. If you Lucas apologists would just ignore the threadcrap Lucas-hater posts, you'd pretty much get what you want. But you insist on replying, which leads to a rebuttal, which leads to a re-rebuttal, and on and on. If you're really only interested in on-topic discussions, then why do you allow yourselves to be baited so easily?

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
nope it doesn't. so instead of complaining about han not shooting first, this should be the issue. start the online petitions!!! :lol:

my 2 cents.... i'm buying these release day asap

[Fok]

Shouldn't they replace Shaw when he's unmasked by Luke at the end of ROTJ as well? Just to keep consistancy.

[Deadman31]

they should replace Yoda with Kermit the Frog. He is a better actor.

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by Deadman31
they should replace Yoda with Kermit the Frog. He is a better actor. Nah, use Miss Piggy. That keeps Frank Oz on the payroll without adding headcount.

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by Fok
Shouldn't they replace Shaw when he's unmasked by Luke at the end of ROTJ as well? Just to keep consistancy.

Huh? The guy may have a young ghost, but his body wouldn't stay young inside the suit.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Fok
Shouldn't they replace Shaw when he's unmasked by Luke at the end of ROTJ as well? Just to keep consistancy.

With who, Hayden F***** Christensen? That would make even less sense. He didn't truly *die*, it makes sense that he would age and be an old man inside the suit by the time of Jedi. As far as the bullshit new spirit scene, I seriously doubt Lucas will even try to make sense of it. The man simply does not give a shit anymore about consistency or logic so he must figure why should we?

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by Numanoid
You guys have spent a couple dozen posts arguing about whether it's OK to argue about Star Wars. If you Lucas apologists would just ignore the threadcrap Lucas-hater posts, you'd pretty much get what you want. But you insist on replying, which leads to a rebuttal, which leads to a re-rebuttal, and on and on. If you're really only interested in on-topic discussions, then why do you allow yourselves to be baited so easily?

There shouldn't even be anything to ignore in the first place. That's the point. This crap happens EVERY FREAKIN' TIME. If I'm not interested in the topic, or if it's about something that I started hating on 7 years ago, I don't even click on the stupid thread. These people seem to frolick on padding their post count with a lather-rinse-repeat regularity when it comes to these discussions. It's the same old shit. There's nothing new in what's being said. No matter how exciting or informative the thread is, if "Star Wars" is in it, you can count on these people fouling up the discussion eventually. Do you see the same thing happen in other discussions?

Originally posted by Rivero
With who, Hayden F***** Christensen? That would make even less sense. He didn't truly *die*, it makes sense that he would age and be an old man inside the suit by the time of Jedi. As far as the bullshit new spirit scene, I seriously doubt Lucas will even try to make sense of it. The man simply does not give a shit anymore about consistency or logic so he must figure why should we?

Take this crap for example. This is probably representative of half of this guy's post count. Is this really contributing anything to the discussion? Please. :rolleyes:

[Terrell]

Lucas is saving THOSE changes and more for the NEXT release of his series, the Super-Extended Definitive Director's Cut No Mas Archival Special-Editions, set to be released Christmas 2007

Um, no!

[huh?]

Isn't this thread about the title of the 3rd chapter?

Oh, wait... no, it's a shit on Lucas and Star Wars thread....


Anyway, back on topic, I think this is the best possible name for episode 3 and I can't wait for it's release.

[Jackskeleton]

^^^

Exactly, lets keep this Episode III related. I think it's also the best possible name they could have given the film.

[Deadman31]

Revenge of the Jar-Jar would have been a better title.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by GuessWho
If the lighsabers intersect now...

How the hell do they bounce off each other when they clash?


This doesn't make sense.



Shit That Doesn't Make Sense in Lucas' Current View of Star Wars No. 56.

It seems like come September these new Special Editions Version 2.0 are just gonna kick off a whole brand-new debate on its laundry list of changes that make no sense or are completely arbitrary and inconsequential. All because of this obsessive attempt to make his films seem relevant in a technical age much different than it was in the early 80's. I cannot fathom why no one simply slaps the guy and says, "Enough!!!"

George Lucas working on his Star Wars films is like Michael Jackson working on his face. Both are trying to reach a level of perfection that is absolutely unattainable and impossible.

And the more they tinker.......the more they f*** up.

[Patman]

I think it would have been more epic if they went with:

"The Fall of the Republic"

or

"The Rise of the Empire"

Revenge is so played out a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

[El-Kabong]

You know - I think this is the title of the new series I am least happy with. Sure, when Phantom Menace was announced, I went "what the hell?" - but then it sunk in that it fit exactly with the Republic movie serial mentality that these movies are at the core.

Same with attack of the clones. I could totaly see that as the name of a chapter from G-Men vs The Black Hand or something.

Revenge of the Sith is, well - too obivous. I think something like The Creeping Terror would have been more in-line. Not that exact title, mind you, but something unexpected like that.

Oh well - I still think the retro-logo shirt kicks ass.

[JasonF]

Originally posted by Deadman31
they should replace Yoda with Kermit the Frog. He is a better actor.

Actually, here's a before-and-after shot showing the changes:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7500/SWChange01.jpg

[huh?]

Originally posted by Rivero


And the more they tinker.......the more they f*** up.

Why do you even come into these threads?

We get it, we get it... the more you post about star wars, less people listen.....

[adamblast]

I do not hate George Lucas. I do not hate the prequels. But I have no great love for them either, like I have for the *original versions* of the *original trilogy*.

I, and the thousands of people who feel the same way, have every right to express those opinions--when they are relevant to the conversation. And when they are, they are not threadcraps, whether you're tired of hearing them or not. What Lucas has done to the original trilogy is a damn shame, and that is a valid and important point, and one which will not go away--unless Lucas decides to make the originals available, which doesn't seem bloody likely.

As for all this "fanboy" vs. "hater" crap, Lucas' fans are as responsible as anyone for continuing and extending it... with all their "Lucas-Raped-My-Childhood" dismissiveness and their constant insulting of anyone who has a criticism or concern, valid or not.

[ViewAskewbian]

This thread needs more Kermit!

[SmackDaddy]

Originally posted by ViewAskewbian
This thread needs more Kermit!

http://www.orstadius.com/img/julius/jedi_master_kermit.jpg

[Jackskeleton]

and one which will not go away--unless Lucas decides to make the originals available

Last time I checked, Laser Disc and VHS were still around and not part of the last Lucas Elimination Squad's destruction. So the originals, by all account, are still available in some shape or form. Perhaps it would be a good idea that if you wanted to see the trilogy in such a pure fashion, that you may look into those formats to get your fill.

It's very easy to bitch about something compared to doing something about it. But usually doing something about it gets things done while simply bitching about it doesn't.

[adamblast]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Last time I checked, Laser Disc and VHS were still around and not part of the last Lucas Elimination Squad's destruction. So the originals, by all account, are still available in some shape or form. Perhaps it would be a good idea that if you wanted to see the trilogy in such a pure fashion, that you may look into those formats to get your fill.

It's very easy to bitch about something compared to doing something about it. But usually doing something about it gets things done while simply bitching about it doesn't. I wasn't "simply bitching" about anything, and your point is irrelevant. Yes, they are available, as obsolete, out-of-print collector's items in both abandoned and inferior formats. For the moment, at least. But we are discussing DVDs. Technologies change and move on. It's sad when important cultural icons are distorted or lost in the transition, and doubly so when there was no need for it to happen.

[GuessWho]

I can't get Crystal Pepsi or Lucky Charms without purple horseshoes anymore either.

Sometimes, product makers just stop making what we like and we have to accept the new stuff.

;)

[Rivero]

Originally posted by redinger
Computer generated Chewie with comical expressions and getting stuck in wacky new predicaments?


Yeah, I heard in the upcoming release Lucas was contemplating re-inserting a cut scene where Chewie steps out of the Millenium Falcon bathroom with a newspaper under his arm, turns to Han and gives a mighty ROAAAAARRRRR!!!!!! while a subtitle appears at the bottom saying, "Best give it another five minutes before you go in there, mate!" But alas, the scene shall remain on the cutting room floor. Maybe a future release further down the road....

[GuessWho]

90% of this thread belongs in the DVD forum as it's discussing DVD edits (vs the Ep3 title discussion as this was intended) :lol:

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by Rivero
Shit That Doesn't Make Sense in Lucas' Current View of Star Wars No. 56.

It seems like come September these new Special Editions Version 2.0 are just gonna kick off a whole brand-new debate on its laundry list of changes that make no sense or are completely arbitrary and inconsequential. All because of this obsessive attempt to make his films seem relevant in a technical age much different than it was in the early 80's. I cannot fathom why no one simply slaps the guy and says, "Enough!!!"

George Lucas working on his Star Wars films is like Michael Jackson working on his face. Both are trying to reach a level of perfection that is absolutely unattainable and impossible.

And the more they tinker.......the more they f*** up.

Come on, mods! If someone should be banned...

[Josh H]

Originally posted by adamblast
I do not hate George Lucas. I do not hate the prequels. But I have no great love for them either, like I have for the *original versions* of the *original trilogy*.

I, and the thousands of people who feel the same way, have every right to express those opinions--when they are relevant to the conversation. And when they are, they are not threadcraps, whether you're tired of hearing them or not.

And given that this is a thread that was simply announcing the title of Episode 3, talk about whether the prequels suck, whether lucas sucks, whether the SEs suck, etc. are off topic and there for thread craps.

The only thing on topic here is basically whether people like the title or not. If people want to bitch about Lucas chaning the SEs, theres the "SW DVD changes" thread in DVD talk. If they want to say episode 3 will suck, theres the "Episode three: Will it be good or bad?" thread here.

[adamblast]

Originally posted by Qui Gon Jim
Come on, mods! If someone should be banned... 'Cause you don't like his opinion??

[adamblast]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
And given that this is a thread that was simply announcing the title of Episode 3, talk about whether the prequels suck, whether lucas sucks, whether the SEs suck, etc. are off topic and there for thread craps. Not at all. The first post of this thread contains pictures from the upcoming DVD release, so that people can see the new work done on the prints. The last of these *linked* pictures contains Hayden Christiansen. This naturally led to the usual discussion of how much new work has been done, and its relative merits. The only thing off-topic here has been the complaints against those who have opinions you don't like.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by adamblast
'Cause you don't like his opinion??

Because he posts it in every SW thread, including those that aren't meant to discuss whether or not the movies suck (like this one).

That's thread crapping, doing it repeatedly is trolling.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Qui Gon Jim
Come on, mods! If someone should be banned...

:rolleyes:

That's not a thread crap. Banning is not something to be taken lightly, or reserved for people who are upset at the new direction Star Wars is taken. Rivero is as passionate about Star Wars as you are. If you're tired of reading his posts, you can just ignore them.

You're intolerance is just as annoying as him expressing his opinions.

[candyrocket786]

Originally posted by Rivero
George Lucas working on his Star Wars films is like Michael Jackson working on his face. Both are trying to reach a level of perfection that is absolutely unattainable and impossible.

And the more they tinker.......the more they f*** up.

:up: :up: I think Rivero pretty much nailed it. This shit had me rotfl (especially with the new VH-1 MJ movie coming out)

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Abranut

You're intolerance is just as annoying as him expressing his opinions.

As I just said above, the problem isn't people bashing SW, it's people bashing SW in threads not discussing whether the prequels/SEs are good.

Like this thread, it should have simply been discussion on whether people liked the title. It has nothing to do with the qualities of the prequels, whether people thing Episode 3 will be good, the SEs, etc. There are specific threads for these thigns.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by adamblast
Not at all. The first post of this thread contains pictures from the upcoming DVD release, so that people can see the new work done on the prints. The last of these *linked* pictures contains Hayden Christiansen. This naturally led to the usual discussion of how much new work has been done, and its relative merits. The only thing off-topic here has been the complaints against those who have opinions you don't like.

My bad, I though this was the other thread that was only about the title.

This thread is just titled stupidly and posted in the wrong forum.

But still, some people do need to get a life. I have better things to do that repeatedly post about movies I hate. I already wasted $ and time watching them. I may post a brief review, but then I'm done discussing that flick. But others are entitled to do what they may I guess. Maybe many posting here have less busy social calendars than me. :D

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
As I just said above, the problem isn't people bashing SW, it's people bashing SW in threads not discussing whether the prequels/SEs are good.

Like this thread, it should have simply been discussion on whether people liked the title. It has nothing to do with the qualities of the prequels, whether people thing Episode 3 will be good, the SEs, etc. There are specific threads for these thigns.

Rivero's critique is COMPLETELY relevent here! We are seeing the new changes to the original trilogy dvd release for the first time, and he was complaining (initially) about Hayden Christiansen replacing Sebastian Shaw during the last scene of the movie. If you don't think that's relevent, I suggest you look up relevent in the dictionary.

[Josh H]

See above, I though this was the other thread that just announced the title.

Not this moronically titled one posted in the wrong forum.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Qui Gon Jim
Come on, mods! If someone should be banned...

Why!?!?! He said nothing wrong? He's just not a fanboy. I just think Rivero is pissed that Lucas cant keep well enough alone with these films. Rivero, your MJ comment...DAMN CLASSIC. That's signature material. Can I use it?

Originally posted by Rivero
Shit That Doesn't Make Sense in Lucas' Current View of Star Wars No. 56.

It seems like come September these new Special Editions Version 2.0 are just gonna kick off a whole brand-new debate on its laundry list of changes that make no sense or are completely arbitrary and inconsequential. All because of this obsessive attempt to make his films seem relevant in a technical age much different than it was in the early 80's. I cannot fathom why no one simply slaps the guy and says, "Enough!!!"

George Lucas working on his Star Wars films is like Michael Jackson working on his face. Both are trying to reach a level of perfection that is absolutely unattainable and impossible.

And the more they tinker.......the more they f*** up.

[adamblast]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
But still, some people do need to get a life. I have better things to do that repeatedly post about movies I hate. I understand your frustration. But what I see is people posting about the mishandling of movies they *love*.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
But still, some people do need to get a life. I have better things to do that repeatedly post about movies I hate. I already wasted $ and time watching them. I may post a brief review, but then I'm done discussing that flick. But others are entitled to do what they may I guess. Maybe many posting here have less busy social calendars than me. :D

You just don't get it, do you? I'll use small words so you understand. WE...DON'T...HATE...STAR...WARS. In fact, I think we love Star Wars more than a lot of the people here who gobble up GL's new crap like it's a delicious all-you-can-eat crap buffet. That's the reason why we keep talking about it, bitching about it, and arguing with you people (who have to resort to patronizing tones and veiled personal attacks) :rolleyes:, is we still have hope for these movies to come out with less changes as opposed to more. Therefore when a NEW change pops up, it's starts the rage all over again. If we didn't love Star Wars, why would we be posting in these threads?

[Ranger]

WHOO! THIS THREAD IS SPICY!

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/allwall/little-richard.jpg

;)

[Abranut]

:lol: @ Ranger

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by Abranut
You just don't get it, do you?

I really don't.

I'll use small words so you understand. WE...DON'T...HATE...STAR...WARS.

Contradict yourself much? Who's being patronizing here?

In fact, I think we love Star Wars more than a lot of the people here who gobble up GL's new crap like it's a delicious all-you-can-eat crap buffet.

2-for-2. Thinly veiled--ok, not so thin--personal attack anyone?

That's the reason why we keep talking about it, bitching about it, and arguing with you people (who have to resort to patronizing tones and veiled personal attacks) :rolleyes:

See above.

is we still have hope for these movies to come out with less changes as opposed to more. Therefore when a NEW change pops up, it's starts the rage all over again.

So it's like a compulsion you mean? Ok.

If we didn't love Star Wars, why would we be posting in these threads?

I ask myself that very same question whenever I read posts like this:

Shit That Doesn't Make Sense in Lucas' Current View of Star Wars No. 56.

It seems like come September these new Special Editions Version 2.0 are just gonna kick off a whole brand-new debate on its laundry list of changes that make no sense or are completely arbitrary and inconsequential. All because of this obsessive attempt to make his films seem relevant in a technical age much different than it was in the early 80's. I cannot fathom why no one simply slaps the guy and says, "Enough!!!"

George Lucas working on his Star Wars films is like Michael Jackson working on his face. Both are trying to reach a level of perfection that is absolutely unattainable and impossible.

And the more they tinker.......the more they f*** up.

[Qui Gon Jim]

Originally posted by adamblast
'Cause you don't like his opinion??

No. Rivero stalks EVERY SINGLE SW conversation and craps all over the place. He trolls for responses from us "fanboys" and derails every conversation about SW. He said even before the DVDs were officially announced that he has no intention of buying them, yet still spreads his shit all over the place. In EVERY SINGLE SW thread. I have never seen his posts add anything to the conversation. In a nutshell, it is not this one post that puts him over the top, it is his history of posts.

I can deal with someone saying thay they don't like the prequels and debating it, intelligently. On top of that, I agree that some of the changes are unnecessary and over the top. I also don't care if the thread is about the title and then evolves into something else, but when it degenerates into the name calling (as it does every single time) it just sucks. THAT is what a threadcrap is.

[Dead]

Well, this isn't going well. Guys, if someone is causing a problem, either ignore them or report them. Going back and forth with each other isn't going to make the discussion any better.