Episode 3: Revenge Of The Sith

[digitalfreaknyc]

Title released today

Release date: May 19th

[bhk]

Shouldn't it be:
Epi$ode 3: Revenge of the $ith?

[digitalfreaknyc]

Originally posted by bhk
Shouldn't it be:
Epi$ode 3: Revenge of the $ith?


Well....that didn't take long, did it?

:rolleyes:

[Terrell]

Well....that didn't take long, did it?

Are you surprised? Par for the course!

I posted another thread with the title. I didn't see your post. I'll leave mine up because it's got a few surprises in it.

[Jackskeleton]

Me likes.

[bhk]

Well....that didn't take long, did it?

C'mon, I'm joking, throw me a bone.

[PixyJunket]

¿

[Terrell]

C'mon, I'm joking, throw me a bone.

To your credit, you didn't go the usual route, which is refreshing.

[Hokeyboy]

Refreshing... like a Fresca.

[digitalfreaknyc]

Originally posted by Terrell

I posted another thread with the title. I didn't see your post. I'll leave mine up because it's got a few surprises in it.

Your post has nothing to do with the title though beyond the logo.

Put the logo here if you want...put the screencaps up in the dvdforum where they belong.

[Terrell]

http://shop.starwars.com/img/products/SWGTTEP3T_img1.jpg

[Jackskeleton]

Shirt up for pre-order:
http://shop.starwars.com/Landing.aspx?ReferrerID=CJADLK-00001

[Kal-El]

I like it. A homage to the debunked Revenge of the Jedi title from before. Good that they used the same title design for it. :up: from me.

[DVD-ho78(DTS)]

Thanks for the info!

Guess we will be seeing ROTS a lot.

[UWSarge]

Here's the announcement from starwars.com

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/news20040724.html

[BizRodian]

Wow, no "What the hell??! this must be a fake title! Just like Blue Harvest!" post? With the last two titles that's what we got :)

[Kal-El]

So I guess I'll be calling the movies:

"Star Wars"
"Empire"
"Jedi"
"Phantom Menace"/"Menace"
"Clones" and
"Sith" or "Revenge"

Oh, and anybody else get a sense of deja-vu from this pic:

http://worldzone.net/art/dgm//Pics/anakinscaled.jpg

[cactusoly]

coooool !

[Original Desmond]

not bad not bad

[ILikeDVD]

I was there. What a frenzy. Hayden made a surprise appearence on stage w/ rick mc callum
Seemed like all 6000 of us ran downstairs to the starwars booth to buy the shirts.

[Groucho]

Meh.

[LorenzoL]

I like it.

After the "Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones", "Revenge of the Sith" doesn't sound so bad.

[Shannon Nutt]

George finally seems to be getting his act together. Great title!

[GuessWho]

FIRST IN SERIES - ARTICLE, ADJECTIVE, NOUN
the phantom menace
a new hope

SECOND IN SERIES - STRONG ACTION VERB SHOWING OFFENSIVE OR RETALITORY MEASURES
attack of the clones
the empire strikes back

THIRD IN SERIES - "R"VERB, "OF THE," BAD GUYS/GOOD GUYS
revenge of the sith
return of the jedi

;)

[Terrell]

I was there. What a frenzy.

Give us a report man! What did you see? What was shown?

After the "Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones", "Revenge of the Sith" doesn't sound so bad.

I think The Phantom Menace is a great title. Attack of the Clones is the worst of the six.

[Debaser]

Awesome! Maybe George Lucas didn't rape my childhood afterall??

Looks like I'll finally have a Star Wars poster in my room after 20+ years.

[ChefWinduAZ]

I think it's a great title and I am looking forward to next May.

[Captain Harlock]

After seeing that clip I have to say that other arguments not withstanding.........it just looks BAD!!

The effect just looks poor and "fake". It's a special effect so it is fake in a sense but you kind of see my point.

I like the title of the film though.

[shaggy]

Revenge of the sith is an awesome title. I also think Phantom Menace is a great title.

[bboisvert]

Yeah, great title. Really pretty much perfect.

The only one of the bunch that I've actively disliked is Attack of the Clones. Since it (a) doesn't have much to do with the film and (b) isn't even really accurate to what happens in the film.

But, even with that title, I got over my dislike pretty quickly and have accepted it.

[TomOpus]

Originally posted by Terrell
Give us a report man! What did you see? What was shown? The art director showed a series of slides of the artwork of the planet where the Wookies live. Very forestry... and they live in the trees. A couple times he said "Wait, you weren't supposed to see that. You got lucky today" :)

They showed some onset scenes.... one showed Hayden putting on the "Darth" helmet while wearing the outfit. The crowd went nuts!

Rick McCallum said they are getting the cast together for 2 weeks of reshoots. None of that involves any fight sequences. Also, the love story aspect won't be such a strong storyline. This is about Anakin "becoming" Darth.

One person asked about "What about Jar Jar?" to which Rick said "You don't have to worry about Jar Jar"... so take that for what it's worth.

They showed scenes from the many upcoming Star Wars video games. One is a FPS (can't remember the name, sorry) but in one sequence there's a split-second shot an Ewok in your sights and it gets blasted. When the lights came up, Steve Sansweet (of Lucasfilm & the moderator of the panel) said "Yes, you can actually shoot and kill Ewoks!" to which the crowded cheered loudly :)

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Debaser


Looks like I'll finally have a Star Wars poster in my room after 20+ years.

Warning! There is a direct connection to Star Wars posters up in your room and never getting laid ever again. ;)

In all seriousness, they could've called it anything. "Revenge of the Sith" is as good as "Rise of the Empire", or "Attack of the Cones II: Star Wars 3". Let's just pray it doesn't suck.

[Superboy]

Nice title. I think it fits in with the themes of the prequel trilogy while at the same time bridging the gap between the prequels and the sequels.

[Terrell]

When the lights came up, Steve Sansweet (of Lucasfilm & the moderator of the panel) said "Yes, you can actually shoot and kill Ewoks!" to which the crowded cheered loudly

At leas they can joke about it. But I won't be killing no ewoks. I luv them ewoks. ;)

Thanks for the report! By the way, was this the panel where they talked about the DVDs?

[cactusoly]

Originally posted by Abranut
Warning! This is direct connection to Star Wars posters up in your room and never getting laid ever again. ;)




I got laid this morning and I have 5 Star Wars Posters. (my wife won't let me hang them in the bedroom tho)

[Abranut]

Well, you're just proving the theory then. If you hung them in your bedroom, chances are the wife wouldn't be rushing to bring teh sex. :p

[silentbob007]

Originally posted by Groucho
Meh.

Oh sure ... Groucho can get away with it. ;)

[bsktballDude1]

Exciting news! I love the title and cannot wait until May 19.

[Patman]

I'll be waiting for that typo in a print publication:

Revenge of the Shit.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Patman
I'll be waiting for that typo in a print publication:

Revenge of the Shit.

You asked for it. :)

http://img22.exs.cx/img22/7582/s_hit.jpg

[TomOpus]

Originally posted by Terrell
By the way, was this the panel where they talked about the DVDs? Yes it was. They showed some segments of the 2.5 hour documentary on the bonus disc. One segment showed the audition tapes with actors/actresses that tried out for Leia and Luke. Cindy Williams as Leia??? William Katt as Luke??? Harrison Ford wasn't supposed to be in the movie (He was already in American Graffeti and George wanted to go with unknowns) so he would read as Han while George was auditioning the other parts. It soon became apparent that Harrison was the right person who should play Han.

The doc looks really really cool. Steve mentioned that one of the cable companies (A&E, I believe) is going to show a 90 minute version of the doc that will air a couple weeks before the DVD release.

He mentioned the great work that Lowrey Digital did on the restoration. Sounded like the negative was pretty dirty and scratched. Steve hyped that the movie looks better than ever and the DD 5.1 EX mix is awesome.

[Rogue588]

Originally posted by TomOpus
The art director showed a series of slides of the artwork of the planet where the Wookies live. Very forestry... and they live in the trees. A couple times he said "Wait, you weren't supposed to see that. You got lucky today" :)Lucky? Perhaps he meant to say you didn't have to sit through the Holiday Special to see it... :hscratch:

[FuzzyBallz]

Revenge for what?

[Jackskeleton]

For clearly killing Darth Maul. Palp had a really big soft spot for the tattoo'ed freak. :( :(

Episode I/ Never Forget

[Terrell]

Revenge for what?

Revenge for the Jedi nearly wiping out all of the Sith many, many eons ago. That's why the Sith are rare, and only two there are, a master and an apprentice.

[Debaser]

Originally posted by Abranut
Warning! There is a direct connection to Star Wars posters up in your room and never getting laid ever again. ;)

In all seriousness, they could've called it anything. "Revenge of the Sith" is as good as "Rise of the Empire", or "Attack of the Cones II: Star Wars 3". Let's just pray it doesn't suck.


Not much of a stretch to be perfectly honest.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Terrell
and only two there are, a master and an apprentice.

Quoting Episode 1...



BANNED! :p

[silentbob007]

Originally posted by Terrell
Revenge for the Jedi nearly wiping out all of the Sith many, many eons ago. That's why the Sith are rare, and only two there are, a master and an apprentice.

I believe in the Episode I novelization, the Sith could only have two members because they tended to fight and kill one another with more.

[Eplicon]

Even with the master/apprentice power structure, the Sith order has always been unstable. The master is always looking to dump the apprentice for someone better, more powerful, while the apprentice is always finding for ways to get rid of the master and take own his own apprentice. The master wants all the power to himself yet realizes in order to keep the Sith trotting along, he has to have someone at his side. And of course, the apprentice wants even more power than the one he already has. It's quite an uneasy alliance that threatens their very existence.

[FiveO]

Not a bad title at all.

Can't wait for May!

[Canadian Bacon]

:yack: horrid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Flave]

Star Wars Episode 3: ROTS :eek:

[silentbob007]

Originally posted by Flave
Star Wars Episode 3: ROTS :eek:

No no no ... ROT$ ... sheesh ... ;)

[rexinnih]

I approve of the title. Let's get to the movie now!

[BigDaddy]

Sounds good to me. I wonder what the poster is going to look like.

[Shannon Nutt]

Originally posted by FuzzyBallz
Revenge for what?

The Sith were forced to sit through back to back showings of "The Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones"...and they're really pissed!

[BizRodian]

Even with the master/apprentice power structure, the Sith order has always been unstable. The master is always looking to dump the apprentice for someone better, more powerful, while the apprentice is always finding for ways to get rid of the master and take own his own apprentice. The master wants all the power to himself yet realizes in order to keep the Sith trotting along, he has to have someone at his side. And of course, the apprentice wants even more power than the one he already has. It's quite an uneasy alliance that threatens their very existence.

Which is why when you throw a third Sith into the mix, all hell breaks loose because they all try to back stab each other. See the end of ESB and ROTJ :)

[Abranut]

Star Wars Episode III: ROTFL

[RyoHazuki]

Pants said:
Anyone who says this is legit needs to put their money where their idiot mouth is.

If the image from AICN is indeed in the final cut of the DVD that will be released in Sept. of 2004 then I will pay for your Star Wars set. If it turns out to be the same old Annikin then you pay for mine.

Any takers? I'm tired of everyone here talking like they know for sure what it will look like. Put your God Damn money where your mouth is.

Then Luka said

I'll take that bet... Under the condition that instead of you paying for my Star Wars set, you pay for a DVD set of equal or lesser value (I won't be buying the set). Also, my mouth doesn't feel like an idiot. I think it's my fingers that you would be referring to.

Then in response, Pants said:

You're on...




...you're also the only rumor monger in this thread that I respect.





Somebody owes Luka a dvd set of equal or lesser value.

[Abranut]

I think being BANNED frees a person from all pre-banning wagers and bets.

[Jackskeleton]

Well if pants doesn't fess up to the bet, Luka can contact me and I'll hook him up with a little something something.

[RyoHazuki]

You're a good man Jack.

[milo bloom]

I like it. More open to interpertation like ROTJ was.

[Get Me Coffee]

Lets bring this SW thread back to the spotlight.

[whaaat]

Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
Lets bring this SW thread back to the spotlight.
Why, because the other one got locked? ;)

[El-Kabong]

Originally posted by RyoHazuki
[BSomebody owes Luka a dvd set of equal or lesser value. [/B]

Lets wait until we see the final product in our hands before we call it. It still hasnt convinced me yet.

[Terrell]

EDIT: Pics moved to the DVD talk forum.

[Abranut]

The Jabba is a huge improvement. I'll withhold judgement until I see how they work Han walking over the tail (which always bugged me).

Any news on the Greedo scene?

Great news about the Luke scream. As long as they didn't change anything else, I will be perfectly happy with ESB (the best of the SE's, IMO).

They also better get Hayden some platform shoes! ;)

[Kal-El]

Edit:
Those are nice...can't wait to see Empire, and good news about the Luke scream if it's true.

[Abranut]

Ummmm. They're still working for me. Refresh your browser.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by El-Kabong
Lets wait until we see the final product in our hands before we call it. It still hasnt convinced me yet.

I've watched the dvd rip (with the new revamped ending including completely new cg rendered shots of Nabboo with thousands of people dancing around). You don't think it's the final product?

[Terrell]

Moved to the Star Wars changes thread in the DVD talk forum.

[Kal-El]

Ooooooh...although I really think we should start transferring all DVD-related media to the "Star Wars DVD Change?" thread in the main forum Terrell.

[Terrell]

Okee-Dokee!

[twikoff]

:drool:



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Support the Monkey/wikoff ticket, VOTE (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376846) now!

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Abranut


They also better get Hayden some platform shoes! ;)

And some arm extensions. The picture of Hayden looks like a child in a fitted costume compared to Prowse.

[El-Kabong]

Originally posted by Abranut
I've watched the dvd rip (with the new revamped ending including completely new cg rendered shots of Nabboo with thousands of people dancing around). You don't think it's the final product?

The way that George likes to tinker with the final product all the way up to the deadline, I'd say no. Probably not.

[Get Me Coffee]

Did lucas add more rebel troops in the Endor battle?

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
Did lucas add more rebel troops in the Endor battle?

Don't know but that would seriously help the battle. They had DOZENS of Rebel fighters with them on that stolen shuttle. The only one you really see fighting other than the main heroes is some measly guy who hides behind some shrapnel and gets shot.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Rivero
Don't know but that would seriously help the battle. They had DOZENS of Rebel fighters with them on that stolen shuttle. The only one you really see fighting other than the main heroes is some measly guy who hides behind some shrapnel and gets shot.

If Lucas likes going back and changing his films...Why doesn't he do something more logical and add some more damn Rebel Troops fighting on Endor. It would add so much more to the battle....it wouldn't just be attack of the forest carebears. When I was 8 I loved that battle...but know watching it...it's missing something. I was expecting more rebel troops in the first SE , nothing. Lets hope he addes them for SE 2.0

[bboisvert]

Originally posted by El-Kabong
The way that George likes to tinker with the final product all the way up to the deadline...

And, at times, beyond the deadline. See AotC (standard theatrical print vs. digital presentation).

[Shannon Nutt]

Originally posted by Get Me Coffee
Did lucas add more rebel troops in the Endor battle?

Isn't the whole point of the Endor trip to send a SMALL stealth team into the area?! Doesn't Admiral Ackbar say there was going to be a small team sent in? That's why it was so dangerous to volunteer for.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Isn't the whole point of the Endor trip to send a SMALL stealth team into the area?! Doesn't Admiral Ackbar say there was going to be a small team sent in? That's why it was so dangerous to volunteer for.

We never see those other "stealth" troops

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Isn't the whole point of the Endor trip to send a SMALL stealth team into the area?! Doesn't Admiral Ackbar say there was going to be a small team sent in? That's why it was so dangerous to volunteer for.

Right. But that's not what we're debating here. What we're asking is Where did that team go? The very first shot on the surface we see about thirty Rebels walking the terrain. Thirty. Once the battle begins every single one of them somehow just disappears except for, of course, Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids.

[GuessWho]

How about adding Wilfred Brimley & The Breakfast Club detention guy to the Endor battle?

[Jackskeleton]

The endor battle is strange. The rebels are running around on the ground. It was a pretty big battle where everyone was spread out fighting it on multiple sides. That is why you do not see them all in one formation.

Infact you do see more rebels when han sets up the trap for that one storm trooper. so to say that the rebels weren't around is fairly silly as they were. Just the main focus of the camera is to follow the lead characters.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by GuessWho
How about adding Wilfred Brimley & The Breakfast Club detention guy to the Endor battle?

I think that would require adding the actress who played Cindel as well and I think she's a bit too old now. I heard she's become a smack addict living in L.A. and sometimes does softcore porn.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
The endor battle is strange. The rebels are running around on the ground. It was a pretty big battle where everyone was spread out fighting it on multiple sides. That is why you do not see them all in one formation.

Infact you do see more rebels when han sets up the trap for that one storm trooper. so to say that the rebels weren't around is fairly silly as they were. Just the main focus of the camera is to follow the lead characters.

I guess I just wish we saw more of the rebels fighting. You know during that whole battle the only rebel troop you see is one dodging lasers behind some post...THAT'S IT! It would be cool to see maybe two more shots with Rebel Troops and see them in the background too.

[neiname]

They should have Han poke Greedo's eye out with a walkie talkie.

[Deadman31]

As long as Han pokes first.

[riley_dude]

Does they have a coherent script this time?

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by Deadman31
As long as Han pokes first.


more importantly, as long as han cops a feel first.

[Kudama]

Actually this couldn't have been a cooler title. Let's hope.

(What else can we do?)

[Jackskeleton]

Pray?

[Artman]

Here's a thought - since Vader is pretty much shot against bluescreen, and from looking at those pics - will they have to change the highlights and reflections off of his helmet/armor in order to match his surroundings?

Interesting idea, I don't know if I've read anything about them doing that on the other prequels..

[outcastja]

I'm pissed that it's going to be released during my finals week.

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by Artman
Here's a thought - since Vader is pretty much shot against bluescreen, and from looking at those pics - will they have to change the highlights and reflections off of his helmet/armor in order to match his surroundings?

Interesting idea, I don't know if I've read anything about them doing that on the other prequels..


you figure being able to create totally digital cities and light saber effects, that creating a shadow will be the very simplest of task for them.

[Kudama]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
you figure being able to create totally digital cities and light saber effects, that creating a shadow will be the very simplest of task for them.

Lamont Cranston don't cotton to 'dat!

[Artman]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
you figure being able to create totally digital cities and light saber effects, that creating a shadow will be the very simplest of task for them.

yeah of course, I was merely wondering if it was something they had to do. And i wasn't talking about shadows.

[Abranut]

Originally posted by Artman
yeah of course, I was merely wondering if it was something they had to do. And i wasn't talking about shadows.

They created digital mirror reflections on the tiled floors of Theed in Episode 1, so they should be able to do this fairly easily and with less detail (because of the curves of the helmet). It could never be too shiny in the OT, or else we would've seen the camera crew or George Lucas dropping that poor girl into the pit with the Rancor. :(

[Kal-El]

Teaser/promo posters?

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/6740/mf_episode3_comiccon_promo1.jpg

http://img5.exs.cx/img5/8884/mf_episode3_comiccon_promo2.jpg

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/9648/mf_episode3_comiccon_promo3.jpg

[Get Me Coffee]

Looks good! You know I can't wait until Sept and then May! I'm not a huge SW fan anymore..I used to be, but I just grown out of them. Lets hope SWIII works out to be the best!

[Jackskeleton]

First image is what the toy packaging is going to be like.

[JTH182]

Originally posted by bboisvert
And, at times, beyond the deadline. See AotC (standard theatrical print vs. digital presentation).


Did I hear some one say "Nipples the size of your head?"




(for those of you who missed the original theatrical print, Natalie's nipples were CLEARLY visible through her white outfit)

[Get Me Coffee]

Really?

[Joeboo835]

Wait, when could you see this? which version?

[Rivero]

Star Whores: Episode 4: A New Ho

[Cusm]

The first pic is horrible. It looks like some bad bootleg fan art. The shape of Vader's helmet and eys are all wrong. It is a nice concept, but they need to use a MUCH better artist.

[Josh H]

I believe that first pic is from early sketches/concept art of vader before ANH came out in 1977.

[Get Me Coffee]

As Jack said....the first pic you will see as the toy package.

[steebo777]

Originally posted by JTH182
(for those of you who missed the original theatrical print, Natalie's nipples were CLEARLY visible through her white outfit)
Pics? ;)

[Josh H]

Originally posted by steebo777
Pics? ;)

Would be nice, but I've never seen any. I guess since it was only in the original theatrical print (and not on the DVD) no screen caps ever got out.

A google search turns up a ton of reviews and what not mentioning her nips though. :D

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by Cusm
The first pic is horrible. It looks like some bad bootleg fan art. The shape of Vader's helmet and eys are all wrong. It is a nice concept, but they need to use a MUCH better artist.

I think it just looks like that because Vader is looking down so the perspective throws it off a bit.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Kal-El
I think it just looks like that because Vader is looking down so the perspective throws it off a bit.

Nope, that's just the way the original vader concept art looked.

Here's an example.

http://shop.starwars.com/Product/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=183

[Jackskeleton]

It's just the freak'n toy packaging.

[Josh H]

Yep, toy packaging based on the original concept art.

Pretty cool if you ask me.

[Rival11]

First let me get this out of the way: This movie must have cost a fortune to make and I don't even want to know its price tag.

Hands down the best special effects I've ever seen (with the exception of the lava surfing, they should have trimmed that a little or gotten rid of it altogether but still, it didn't bother me that much) in a film. What a treat for the eyes.

I have not read any other reviews, opinions, etc... before writing this so I apologize if I repeat some things that were beaten to death already.

Easily the best Star Wars picture out of them all. This movie had more depth and heart then the rest of the films and the last few minutes took me back to my childhood (which is a good thing) - what a great move by Lucas to show the old school uniforms, ships, etc.....very nice touch.

One of my favorite characters was Grievous (is that spelled correctly?) he was just too damn cool and you can't help but love him.

What made this movie work so well was that it stayed focused on what was to transpire and never once strayed from what viewers wanted to see. You want the full scoop and details on anakin's move to the darkside? Then watch episode III.

The movie works so well on its own that you almost don't even need the other two prequels.....of course I don't want to say too much on that as the nerd army will for sure hunt me down.

I don't know if I had an advantage watching and enjoying this film because I don't care about the wallpaper used in some of the sets and didn't mind how the voices or costumes came out, but the point is that for me, someone who isn't a Star Wars geek, It worked and blew me away both with it's special effects and how it suprised me with getting me even more involved on a deeper level with a story we already knew the end to many years ago.

5 out of 5 stars........and I mean it.

[riley_dude]

Easily the best Star Wars picture out of them all. This movie had more depth and heart then the rest of the films and the last few minutes took me back to my childhood (which is a good thing) - what a great move by Lucas to show the old school uniforms, ships, etc.....very nice touch.

You are kidding right?
Heart? Depth? rotfl

[Rival11]

You are kidding right?
Heart? Depth? rotfl

Uh, no.....why? All the others were too campy for me, this one played it great on the one issue the whole movie dealt with.

All a matter of opinion I guess but this one did it for me.

[Flynn]

I loved this film also Rival. I agree with just about everything you said there.

[FRwL]

"Star Wars Episode III will own your asses!"
Remember that? rotfl
The hype before the film , and then reality sets in.

[al_bundy]

I didn't hype myself on purpose, i didn't go see it in the theater, i didn't even buy the dvd, i rented it and I was still let down. At least I didn't buy the dvd like my boss did.

[Jason]

Uh, no.....why? All the others were too campy for me, this one played it great on the one issue the whole movie dealt with.

All a matter of opinion I guess but this one did it for me.

Dude, didn't you get the memo? Star Wars is teh suck! Luca$ raped our childhoods. King Kong is going to be the greatest movie of all time.

Get with the program already. Sheesh.

:)

[Terrell]

Rival, you know you're not supposed to like Episode III. It is a prequel. You have to agree with the other people here who think it sucks. C'mon man. You know better than that. The fact that it received good reviews doesn't matter. You should have known by saying you liked it, others would imply your opinion is stupid.

[Michael Corvin]

Rival, you know you're not supposed to like Episode III. It is a prequel. You have to agree with the other people here who think it sucks. C'mon man. You know better than that. The fact that it received good reviews doesn't matter. You should have known by saying you liked it, others would imply your opinion is stupid.

Exactly. It seems around here if you enjoyed any of the three prequels it is best to just keep your comments to yourself. Sad, but true.

[coli]

What made this movie work so well was that it stayed focused on what was to transpire and never once strayed from what viewers wanted to see. You want the full scoop and details on anakin's move to the darkside? Then watch episode III.

The movie works so well on its own that you almost don't even need the other two prequels.....of course I don't want to say too much on that as the nerd army will for sure hunt me down.


Whether you liked the Prequels or not, the above statement is so true about this one working on its own. Sure you need to see Episode I & II, but that is all they are, 4 hours of exposition, and about 5-6 plot points which set up the main course of Episode III. Someone could have told me those key points sort of like an EU book, and I would have been fully prepared for Episode III.

Did Episode III have the usual prequel problems, sure it did, but they were way less than the first two episodes, and that is why I enjoyed it. I look at the saga as 4,5,6, the story of Luke Skywalker, like it always was back when the OT movies were being released, and Episode III is prologue of key plot points I have been interested since the late 70's: The Duel, Fate of Anakins Wife, Luke & Leia being born and wisked to their foster parents, Yoda vs. The Emperor, and of course the rise of suited Darth Vader.

I got all of this in Episode III, and I have wiped my memory of the first two crappy prequels. Is this as good as the OT, for me it isn't because you don't have the key characters: Han, Luke, and Leia that made the OT so fun and enjoyable to watch, plus Lucas not letting someone else write the sceenplay and direct it showed his flaws all through the prequels. Did Lucas atleast redeem himself in what could have been a total waste of three movies? We'll see if Episode III passes the test of time like the OT, tell you in 5-10 years.

[Doughboy]

Exactly. It seems around here if you enjoyed any of the three prequels it is best to just keep your comments to yourself. Sad, but true.

I enjoyed Episode II when I first saw it and still do to this day, and I have no problem admitting it. Unlike a lot of people I know who loved it opening night and had had a change of heart and suddenly hated it by the time the DVD was released.

That said, I did not like ROTS. The first 45 minutes to an hour are solid(save for Grievous who was a complete waste of screentime), but once it arrives at that scene in Palpatine's office where the Jedi attempt to arrest him, the movie completely went to hell and I don't mean that in a good way.

If there's one mystery all Star Wars fans had wondered about since the original trilogy was released, it was how Anakin Skywalker was seduced by the dark side and became Darth Vader. Well, 22 years after Return of the Jedi I finally witnessed the answer with my own eyes and discovered that he was nothing more than a p*ssy-whipped little bitch who was willing to commit mass genocide on the slim hope that the one man in the entire galaxy he knew he couldn't trust would somehow teach him a long lost Force ability that probably never even existed to begin with.

Uh huh, sure. And as if it that wasn't stupid enough to begin with, Lucas completely dropped the ball on the execution of this idea as well. Anakin literally turns(if you even wanna call it that) in the span of what seems like 15 seconds.

And don't give me that crap about his turn beginning way back in Episode II. When ROTS begins, he's clearly a good guy whose only momentary lapse into rage is during a fight with the dude who lopped his arm off, tried to kill him and his master, and is leading the army currently at war with the Republic. That's a far cry from a psychotic mass murderer who slaughters children along with the rest of his surrogate family.

And don't get me started on the scene where Darth Vader(in the suit) speaks for the first time.

[coli]

Uh huh, sure. And as if it that wasn't stupid enough to begin with, Lucas completely dropped the ball on the execution of this idea as well. Anakin literally turns(if you even wanna call it that) in the span of what seems like 15 seconds.

And don't give me that crap about his turn beginning way back in Episode II. When ROTS begins, he's clearly a good guy whose only momentary lapse into rage is during a fight with the dude who lopped his arm off, tried to kill him and his master, and is leading the army currently at war with the Republic. That's a far cry from a psychotic mass murderer who slaughters children along with the rest of his surrogate family.

Totally agree, and that is my main sticking point with Episode III, is that I don't think Anakin ever turns? To me this doesn't link up with the OT very well when Vader says to Luke, "You don't know the power of the darkside, I must obey my master." One has nothing to do with the other.

Anakin never turned, he just followed Palpatine hoping they could save Padme, that was it, nothing more nothing less, so when Padme is dead, then what? Why does he have to obey his master? Why don't we know the power of the dark side? To me that blew the prequels as ever linking up with the OT. As I said, I enjoyed ROTS, but that should have been written and developed by Lucas a hell of alot better.

And don't get me started on Padme losing the will to live................after she just gave birth to twins. Quitter!

[Rogue588]

I have not read any other reviews, opinions, etc... before writing this so I apologize if I repeat some things that were beaten to death already.

Easily the best Star Wars picture out of them all. This movie had more depth and heart then the rest of the films and the last few minutes took me back to my childhood (which is a good thing) - what a great move by Lucas to show the old school uniforms, ships, etc.....very nice touch.

One of my favorite characters was Grievous (is that spelled correctly?) he was just too damn cool and you can't help but love him.

What made this movie work so well was that it stayed focused on what was to transpire and never once strayed from what viewers wanted to see. You want the full scoop and details on anakin's move to the darkside? Then watch episode III.

The movie works so well on its own that you almost don't even need the other two prequels.....of course I don't want to say too much on that as the nerd army will for sure hunt me down.

5 out of 5 stars........and I mean it.Well, unless you were living in a cave, I find it kinda hard to believe the first sentence. Or did you just feel the need to thrown an excuse in there in case anyone thought you were :horse:

Anyways...I hear your statements and agree with some, disagree with most. I disagree with the "depth...heart" comment. Also disagree with your comment about Grievous. Think he's "too damn cool" here? Check out the Clone Wars cartoons and you'll think he's positively buffoonish in Sith.

Coli already summed up my thoughts about Anakin's "turn".

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering....hated Clones, liked Menace.

[Rival11]

Well, unless you were living in a cave, I find it kinda hard to believe the first sentence. Or did you just feel the need to thrown an excuse in there in case anyone thought you were :horse:

Anyways...I hear your statements and agree with some, disagree with most. I disagree with the "depth...heart" comment. Also disagree with your comment about Grievous. Think he's "too damn cool" here? Check out the Clone Wars cartoons and you'll think he's positively buffoonish in Sith.

Coli already summed up my thoughts about Anakin's "turn".

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering....hated Clones, liked Menace.

No, I honestly didn't read any reviews at all for the movie - I rarely ever take a look at reviews or comments before going into a movie I'm very interested in and other times (a lot of other times) I usually check out a review or two before checking a film out for myself, but please note - I do not base my decsion to watch a movie off of the reviews I've seen before going in, I just like to see people's opinions, thoughts, etc...before checking it out for myself.

The short version: I don't want to know a damn thing about a movie I'm excited to see but most of the time (since there aren't that many movies I get pumped up for anymore) I'll read reviews, thoughts, & info before checking a film out.

Another good example of this is when I finally saw Batman Begins - didn't know a damn thing about it (other than the trailers, tv spots, and obivously the story) before seeing it. I will be doing this with Superman Returns as well.

Again, It's all a matter of taste & opinion. I thought Greivous was a cool character and part of why I liked him so much was because of him being such a coward (the scene where he tries running away from Obi-Wan made me laugh, also - the poor bastard couldn't beat him with four light sabres). I also loved his cough and thought he had a cool voice - I just really dug him.

I fell asleep during Clones and almost walked out on Menace - If it wasn't for that voice in the back of my head that said "No dude, you can't walk out on a Star Wars film, even if you aren't the biggest fan.....It's still Star Wars dude" but remember.......what I just mentioned about the other two prequels doesn't mean they sucked.

[Michael Corvin]

I enjoyed Episode II when I first saw it and still do to this day, and I have no problem admitting it. Unlike a lot of people I know who loved it opening night and had had a change of heart and suddenly hated it by the time the DVD was released.

All to common theme with the prequels. They seem to be the anti OT. Instead of getting better with age, more and more people turn on them after initially liking them.

I found Menance average, nothing more but to get me back in that universe after a long hiatus.

I really enjoyed Clones, other than some minor nitpicks like the love dialog and any scene with a character riding an animal.

I loved Sith, like most, I feel that I & II could have been condensed and Sith could have been split in two and delved more into the 'turn' of Anakin. It is flimsy, but not totally unbelievable. I mean Mace was going to kill the only person that could save the love of Anakin's life. He had already lost his mom and was willing to turn on a dime for that not to happen again. So it could have been expanded upon, but it works well enough for me.

As for sticking with the Emperor after Padme's death, where was he to go? No friends, no family, only the man who saved his life was there for him.

[coli]

As for sticking with the Emperor after Padme's death, where was he to go? No friends, no family, only the man who saved his life was there for him.[/QUOTE]


Totally agree with you that he had no where to go, but for 20 years I wondered what the line, "You don't know the power of the darkside, I must obey my master!" meant. To me that was a powerful statement by Vader in ROTJ, and I was waiting for that moment in the prequels.

All we get is some lame acted scene by Anakin, "I-I-I will do whatever you want, if you just save Padme." I always thought that Vader tried to overthrow the Emperor, and the Emperor was so powerful he put an ass wuppin on Vader to say, you better obey me, and from then on Vader respected that until he saw his son, Luke, could possibly help him take the Emperor over. To me ROTS also denegrated The Emperor's mystique, fairly or unfairly, but I held him as a much powerful person before the ROTS came out.

[John-In-VA]

I liked ROTS. Yes, it suffered from cheesy dialogue, wooden acting, etc. etc., but the things I liked were:

A. The final duel and the things Obi-Wan said to Anakin about being his brother and loving him, but then walking away to let him die because he knew that had to be done.
B. Getting to see how Obi-Wan and Yoda escaped the Jedi purge.
C. Seeing the birth of the twins.
D. Seeing Obi-Wan bring Luke to Tatooine. In fact, I remember a few years ago hoping it would end with that scene.

I think one of the biggest things I took away from all the prequels is how Yoda is so wise and powerful.

What didn't I like? I never bought into Anakin being full of fear when he was a kid("I sense much fear in you"). Also, his desperate need to save Padme from basically nothing in ROTS. Yes, I know that drove the plot, but I just didn't buy into it.

[riley_dude]

That's what the problem with the last three movies were, scenes that had no emotional or dramatic weight. Nothing to make you go, woahhh, that's how Vader turned to the dark side, he just does.
Same with Padme's death. It happened because you knew she had to die so Luke and Leia could be orphaned. She just decided to give up her will to live.
Average storytelling and execution.

[Doughboy]

That's what the problem with the last three movies were, scenes that had no emotional or dramatic weight. Nothing to make you go, woahhh, that's how Vader turned to the dark side, he just does.
Same with Padme's death. It happened because you knew she had to die so Luke and Leia could be orphaned. She just decided to give up her will to live.
Average storytelling and execution.

Two things about Padme's death. First of all, it did NOT have to happen. In fact, it contradicts Leia's conversation with Luke in ROTJ.

Secondly, if Lucas really had balls, he would've had her die due to complications from Anakin choking her. Now THAT'S a tragic ending. Not to mention a million times more believable than dying from losing her will to live.

[Dr. DVD]

My take on ROTS: one could watch it and get all of the backstory they heard about in the OT and buy into it. In ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan are obviously chums, whereas AOTC makes them look more like bickering bros. Also, you get quite a bit of Clone Wars action, Yoda kicking ass, great lightsaber duels, and of course, Darth Vader. In short, ROTS fits everything one could have wanted from the PT into one movie. If only Gl had done it for all three.

My way of watching the the saga now would be:

1)AOTC-not that bad overall
2) The Clone Wars cartoon series-this really delivers the goods IMO, and after I got used to the unique animation, I believed I was watching the actual characters.
3) ROTS
4)The OT.

FWIW, the more I think about it, the more I find TPM to be superfluous in the telling of the saga. We didn't need to see Anakin as a kid, and the romance angle with Padme could have worked with them meeting as adults and falling in love on Naboo. Basically, they could have done their romance the way almost ALL movie romances are done. In terms of his mother dying, they could have just said he was taken from home at a young age like the rest of the Jedi are, he just had an unusual connection to her from the force.

[milo bloom]

I still have to say that having your secret husband, who is the hero of the galaxy, go all kinds of crazy, might break even a strong spirit. And I also don't think Padme was that strong to begin with. She may have appeared strong, what with being Queen of a planet at 14, but that seems like something that she was forced to grow into. She obviously didn't have a normal childhood, and that can have all kinds of effects on people later in life. Anakin may have issues, but she's no perfect being herself.
I ready Dear Abby everyday, and those two seem fairly pedestrian in comparison to some of the folks in her column.

The Leia thing really doesn't bother me that much. It was a frikking retcon in the first place, and I don't see why it's not so hard to accept she's feeling some sort of sub-concious "Force echo" of sorts.

I love the ending on Tatooine, it brought it all home for being so similar to the Binary Sunset scene in ANH. I couldn't think of a better ending. Also neat is that the last line of dialogue is Threepio saying "Did you year that?" And the first line in ANH is Threepio saying "Did you hear that?"

[FRwL]

What is up with that ending-two fucks standing there no one cares about.

[milo bloom]

What is up with that ending-two fucks standing there no one cares about.


Did you even read what I wrote? It's deliberately staged to resemble the scene in ANH where Luke is standing outside the homestead watching the two suns set, and the music swells, and he goes back inside to find R2 missing... Have you never seen the discussions about how sunsets indicate changes in the Star Wars saga? ROTS plays on this by showing Owen and Lars with the infant Luke, it's the last scene before the next movie in the series, called A New Hope.

Owen and Lars are underappreciated characters. They raised a whiny brat in the middle of bumfuck nowwhere, actually hoping that he would never amount to anything, because they knew that being something had only brought pain to his father and mother. They were ruthlessly killed by the Empire for the droids, and (unintentionally) to give Luke the push he needed to get off of Tatooine.

Of all the problems folks have with ROTS, I can't fathom that scene being one of them.

[Michael Corvin]

I still have to say that having your secret husband, who is the hero of the galaxy, go all kinds of crazy, might break even a strong spirit.

Exactly. She knew from Obi that Anakin had killed almost two dozen kids. How would that make you feel carring his child (knowledge of only 1 at the time)?

[Ky-Fi]

Regarding Annakin's reasons for turning to the dark side, I have to say I thought Lucas' take on that was quite profound. From a Christian perspective, evil isn't something independant and eternal, instead it's almost always a perverted good. In Judeo/Christian thought, Satan isn't depicted as an evil, equal, eternal counterpoint to God who's been battling good forever. He's a fallen angel, who was supremely good at one time, and became twisted. Most of the things we associate with sin and evil---power, sex, pleasure, money, control, violence, leisure----none of those things are really evil in themselves, it's just the manner or the degree to which they're pursued that leads to evil. C.S. Lewis certainly worked in this theme a lot, as did Tolkien, where the use of the ring would lead anyone to evil no matter how good their reasons and intentions were for using it. Now those two were working from a Christian perspective, which I don't think Lucas really was, but he still hit a lot of the same notes. Certainly Annakin had good reasons for being angry at the sandpeople for killing his mother, but his descent into evil began when he went overboard and slaughtered them all. And, he joined Palpatine mainly out of a desire to preserve his love with Padme, and maybe also to keep the Republic together.

Now certainly people can argue that the director or actors didn't convey this very skillfully, but I think Lucas' basic idea of why Annakin turned evil is on very solid theological/philosophical ground.

[Numanoid]

Exactly. She knew from Obi that Anakin had killed almost two dozen kids. How would that make you feel carring his child (knowledge of only 1 at the time)?And how does "losing the will to live", with no other medical problems, actually cause you to die?

[Palaver]

And how does "losing the will to live", with no other medical problems, actually cause you to die?

And how do you diagnose that a doctor/medical droid? White blood cell count? OK. Blood pressure? OK. Will to live? Uh oh. The tests came back negative.