Aliens vs. Predator rated PG-13? [Archive]

freudguy

07-23-04, 12:33 PM

I agree that excessive violence does not make a movie a good one but how in the hell can they show a chestburster doing it's thing without an R-rating? Like I said, it was the way these creatures killed that helped make them original and popular. Predators either blow a hole through you with a shoulder cannon or cut you up with a variety of instruments and usually leave you hanging like a gutted deer. Try cutting the Predator movies down for a lesser rating and see if they are as effective.

The MPAA may be a little more lenient than it was a couple years ago but it is in no way close to how liberal they were in the 80's.

Granted, most of the violence probably comes from the two alien species going at it so maybe it earned PG-13 status due to a lot of green blood being spilled instead of the red variety. Plus, I bet there are a lot of cut-aways just as the humans bite it that saves it from the R-rating.

Gyno Rhino

07-23-04, 12:33 PM

Sounds like a movie begging for an unrated crazy cut on DVD.

Then again, it may suck either way. We'll see.

Morf

07-23-04, 12:39 PM

Call me crazy, but I'll reserve judgement on the film until I actually see it!

kneijst1

07-23-04, 12:45 PM

well, for instance, take watching either of the Predator films on cable tv(ignoring the commericals and it being full frame for a second). Lots of the gore is obviously cut out, or cut away scenes which are just as bad. A recent example is the new King Arthur movie. That film was begging to be more violent(and supposedly the directors cut is), and it really hurt the movie but doing cutaway shots, not showing swords actually hit people or blood coming out, etc. etc. Film ratings do matter, and when films get trimmed down just to obtain a lower rating, it may semi-help the box office, but it definitly hurts the actual film more times than not.

NitroJMS

07-23-04, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by freudguy
Granted, most of the violence probably comes from the two alien species going at it so maybe it earned PG-13 status due to a lot of green blood being spilled instead of the red variety. Plus, I bet there are a lot of cut-aways just as the humans bite it that saves it from the R-rating.

Ah, the Star Trek VI "rule." You can show buckets of blood, as long as it isn't red or human.

mmconhea

07-23-04, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Morf
Call me crazy, but I'll reserve judgement on the film until I actually see it!

Not only are you crazy, but you obviously don't belong on an internet forum.

rennervision

07-23-04, 01:41 PM

I remember seeing the PG-13 Willard remake on DVD. Although I liked it, when I saw the unrated deleted scenes I realized how much better the movie could have been. The sanitizing of the violence and the language really removed a lot of the impact from the original scenes. So I would say this info about AVP does not bode well.

iggystar

07-23-04, 02:14 PM

I'm usually one who doesn't think the rating matters, but this the theme of Aliens and Predator lends itself for an R rating. We're not talking a Spiderman or I-Robot here. I just seems there will be lots missing from the movie.

Abob Teff

07-23-04, 02:36 PM

One of the worst things to happen to the film industry, IMO, was the PG-13 rating. Basically if you are going to make a mainstream movie (particularly action or sci-fi) the studios try to contract for a PG-13 so that they can capture the teeny bopper dollars. PG-13 is simply a way of hedging the bets.

I do agree that to respect its predecessors, this film should not only have gone after an R, but gone after the NC-17 and bartered down to an R (and I don't say that very often).

However, fruedguy has a point, violence and gore has a lesser impact on the MPAA if it is not human, and the humans are far outnumbered here, so there may be a little hope. I guess we'll have to wait a few more weeks . . .

Jackskeleton

07-23-04, 02:45 PM

I don't care about ratings, and it's realistic violence that is the main factor in the rating. Since these are sci-fi violence then it may still be very gory but still be able to fit in as pg-13. Reserve your hate till after you see it.

freudguy

07-23-04, 03:16 PM

No one is saying they hate it already. It's just not a good sign. This may be the biggest kick-ass movie I've ever seen.....but my expectations have been lowered. However, I do have hopes that it is a great movie so it reinvigorates both licenses instead of driving that last nail into their respective cinematic coffins.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that was turned off after I heard that King Arthur was being trimmed for a PG-13. As for the gore, there won't be any if it's PG-13 unless it's creature on creature like I mentioned above. Graphic violence is expected from a movie derived from these two genre staples. It just seems to me that the "bite" would be taken away from the ferocity of the aliens/predators if it doesn't go for at least a "soft R".

I don't mean this in a smart-ass way but can anyone name a PG-13 flick with even mild amounts of gore?

P.S. Please do not think that I equate good cinema with violence and gore. If AvP works without graphic violence, kudos to Anderson and I will more than happily buy the DVD.

candyrocket786

07-23-04, 03:28 PM

PG-13 and the words Alien or Predator should never be used in the same sentence....ever!!!!!

What this means for me:

No human impalement
No removal of any human skin
No removal of human spines
No human beheadings
No severing of any human body parts (via laser blast)
No human cauterized injuries (via laser blast)
No visible human brains (via laser blast)
No graphic, human chest burster scene

Basically, no fun....But I'm still going to see it, regardless.

Numanoid

07-23-04, 03:34 PM

Considering that many times a film will make more on home video than during its theatrical run, is it possible that the studios purposely reduce the theatrical rating in order to generate more interest in the inevitable "Director's" or "Unrated" DVD release?

chanster

07-23-04, 03:37 PM

There can be all types of Alien on Predator violence, because they aren't human. Who cares? The humans in the movie are an excuse to have the damn movie anyway. All the cool shit is going to be the two "bugs" going at it.

Although I would have liked to see an R movie.

fryinpan1

07-23-04, 04:06 PM

This just lets them release theatrical and unrated DVDs. This movie will be a trailer for the unrated DVD.

matome

07-23-04, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by candyrocket786
PG-13 and the words Alien or Predator should never be used in the same sentence....ever!!!!!

What this means for me:

No human impalement
No removal of any human skin
No removal of human spines
No human beheadings
No severing of any human body parts (via laser blast)
No human cauterized injuries (via laser blast)
No visible human brains (via laser blast)
No graphic, human chest burster scene

Basically, no fun....But I'm still going to see it, regardless.

My feelings exactly, except I won't support it in the theater and hope for an unrated DVD. It's a shame we have to aim all movies at the kiddies to try to pull in a bigger profit. Bring in the family for a fun night at the movies with perhaps two of the most bloodily violent creatures in movie history, toned down for your six year old to enjoy! -ohbfrank-

kantonburg

07-23-04, 09:26 PM

My thing is who cares what the movie is rated. I don't care if it's rated G as long as it's a good movie.

Tarantino

07-23-04, 09:40 PM

You're missing the point. The rating is a big deal for this movie, considering the characters and why they're popular in the first place. Cutting people in half, stringing skinned bodies from the ceiling, impalement, aliens bursting through chests, tearing people apart...all things that make the Predator and Alien movies worth watching (lets face it, no one watched these movies for their immaculately crafted Oscar robbed scripts)...and all things that we probably won't see in this flick.

Robert

07-23-04, 10:03 PM

[devil's advocate] If FOX wants to make a profit from AvP, a PG-13 is a no-brainer.[/devils advocate]

Artman

07-23-04, 10:05 PM

Yeah I'm a little dissapointed, but really I just hope the movie is good. No doubt there'll be an unrated DVD as well. Personally while I love my fair share of monster mayhem, I really don't need to see people being skinned, beheaded, etc.. besides, this way I might take my dad to see it (if reviews are decent)

I prefer more alien/aliens violence rather than alien3 violence, but that's just me.

matome

07-23-04, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Tarantino
You're missing the point. The rating is a big deal for this movie, considering the characters and why they're popular in the first place. Cutting people in half, stringing skinned bodies from the ceiling, impalement, aliens bursting through chests, tearing people apart...all things that make the Predator and Alien movies worth watching (lets face it, no one watched these movies for their immaculately crafted Oscar robbed scripts)...and all things that we probably won't see in this flick.

Bingo! Oh, you forgot Teri Weigel's energetic penthouse scene in Predator 2 :D

jaeufraser

07-23-04, 11:03 PM

I'm sorry but the without the gore and violence, what is left to hope for? I know Paul Anderson's "style," and I don't really like it. His writing isn't very good. So we have two awesome creatures duking it out but no skinning, no chest cursting, no blowing off limbs.

Seriously...a rating doesn't make a movie. But imagine Alien cut to pg-13. Yeah, you'd have to cut out the chest bursting scene. So much more.

Yeah pg-13 Alien vs. Predator. This is a horror/action violent franchise. How in hells name do you make it pg-13 without making a movie nothing like its predecessors?

Brent L

07-24-04, 02:33 AM

I wrote this film off a while ago, almost as soon as I started to finally read confirmed information on the project. I don't see too much of a chance that this will be a good film, R rating or not.

Ranger

07-24-04, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by fryinpan1
This just lets them release theatrical and unrated DVDs. This movie will be a trailer for the unrated DVD.

Pretty likely this will be the case.

funkyryno

07-24-04, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by BrentLumkin
I wrote this film off a while ago, almost as soon as I started to finally read confirmed information on the project. I don't see too much of a chance that this will be a good film, R rating or not.

I'll second that after seeing the trailer. It looks almost like a straight-to-video movie.

Off course, I'll reserve final judgment until I see the final, but I'm not too hopeful of it living up to my expectations.

Jackskeleton

07-24-04, 05:46 AM

Got to love the internet. Filled with E-tough guys, furries, and people who will bash a film simply because of a rating.

Well I wrote of Dawn of the dead before I ever gave it a chance and I loved it. after that I've given anything a chance. Now Predator is something near and dear to me. As a kid I wore out 2 tapes of predator watching it constantly. I loved Predator and I loved alines. When you mix the two it's complete happy land for me. Though I was very much in doubt about it all when the first signs of this film came about and then you know what, I just let myself enjoy what this is.

Now if you are going to nit pick about the rating before you ever see it then you will walk into it hating it. If you want to do that fine, be my guest, but don't start trying to make logical faults of a film you haven't seen based on what you believe will not be in the film.

OMG!!!11111 THEY WONT HAVE A PREDATOR RIP OUT SOME1'S SKULL!!11111 WHAT EVAR WILL U DO?????!!?!?!?!1111

from the looks of things it doesn't seem like the predators are hunting the humans regardless. So no skull ripping is needed from them. Remember, they are using them as bait for the aliens. their big prize in the film is killing alines.

So Sci Fi Creature vs Sci Fi Other creature means that it will be unrealistic violence. It can see be pretty gory, but since it's two objects that do not represent reality, then perhaps, just perhaps they can get away with a little more on that rating.

Abranut

07-24-04, 06:17 AM

I understand your point, Jack...but I ask you this: Why not demand the best from the studios? Why settle for a cheapening of a brand just to make more money? The Alien and the Predator series were forged on blood and guts. Jason X wasn't a good movie, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining because of the gore. If they bumped Jason X down to a PG-13, and had Jason just been running amok knocking people unconciouswith a two-by-four, it would've been a shittier movie without question.

Aliens are scary as shit because they will explode out of your chest.

The Predator is badass because he'll skin your ass faster than you can say "Sexual-Ty-ran-o-saurus!"

I don't want to see these guys have a PG-13 pillowfight. I wanna see the only thing that I really loved about the original films as a kid. Being scared shitless and endless gore.

Frank TJ Mackey

07-24-04, 06:21 AM

I figured this would happen after seeing "this film is not yet rated" in all the commercials.

That can only mean they are making cuts for a PG-13 and haven't gotten it yet.

This will be on video before you know it.

candyrocket786

07-24-04, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Abranut
The Predator is badass because he'll skin your ass faster than you can say "Sexual-Ty-ran-o-saurus!"

:lol: :up:

candyrocket786

07-24-04, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
OMG!!!11111 THEY WONT HAVE A PREDATOR RIP OUT SOME1'S SKULL!!11111 WHAT EVAR WILL U DO?????!!?!?!?!1111

from the looks of things it doesn't seem like the predators are hunting the humans regardless. So no skull ripping is needed from them. Remember, they are using them as bait for the aliens. their big prize in the film is killing alines.

So Sci Fi Creature vs Sci Fi Other creature means that it will be unrealistic violence. It can see be pretty gory, but since it's two objects that do not represent reality, then perhaps, just perhaps they can get away with a little more on that rating.

Still...nothing really beats a really good old skull or spine rip.

Hell..... imagine if the original Predator was rated PG-13
You definitely would not have seen "exploding chest" (via laser blast) or Carl's Weather's last stand.

Those scenes (plus a few others), the visual effects and finally Stan Winston's brilliant creature effects truly made the film a classic in the Sciene Fiction realm.

freudguy

07-24-04, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Got to love the internet. Filled with E-tough guys, furries, and people who will bash a film simply because of a rating.

Well I wrote of Dawn of the dead before I ever gave it a chance and I loved it. after that I've given anything a chance. Now Predator is something near and dear to me. As a kid I wore out 2 tapes of predator watching it constantly. I loved Predator and I loved alines. When you mix the two it's complete happy land for me. Though I was very much in doubt about it all when the first signs of this film came about and then you know what, I just let myself enjoy what this is.

Now if you are going to nit pick about the rating before you ever see it then you will walk into it hating it. If you want to do that fine, be my guest, but don't start trying to make logical faults of a film you haven't seen based on what you believe will not be in the film.

OMG!!!11111 THEY WONT HAVE A PREDATOR RIP OUT SOME1'S SKULL!!11111 WHAT EVAR WILL U DO?????!!?!?!?!1111

from the looks of things it doesn't seem like the predators are hunting the humans regardless. So no skull ripping is needed from them. Remember, they are using them as bait for the aliens. their big prize in the film is killing alines.

So Sci Fi Creature vs Sci Fi Other creature means that it will be unrealistic violence. It can see be pretty gory, but since it's two objects that do not represent reality, then perhaps, just perhaps they can get away with a little more on that rating.

Whoa, ease up there, Jack. If people want to hate it already, let them. I simply pointed out the fact that I fear they have taken the edge off of these properties by the rating. In some cases, the rating DOES make the movie. The R-rated Pearl Harbor was more realistic and a lot of people agree it was a better edit.

I haven't written it off yet, some have. If they do and it's a great movie, they lose. Most of the responses here so far have been like me, lowered expectations....but not hate.

Sunday Morning

07-24-04, 10:25 AM

pg13?

one less genre film to see this year.

mookyman

07-24-04, 10:28 AM

None of the earlier films in either series would have worked as PG-13s, period. It's not so much the gore itself as the tone the violence sets - the chestburster scene in the original alien creates an almost unbearable tension for the rest of the film the first time you see it, because once something so outlandish and grotesque has happened, you have no idea what will happen next.

Remember when Peter Jackson tried for a PG-13 for The Frighteners but got an R? There wasn't any worse violence in that than in LOTR, but the MPAA said it was too intense. It makes me worry that they have no such concern with AvP.

Mr. Cinema

07-24-04, 10:43 AM

All 4 Alien movies are Rated R and both Predator movies are Rated R.

However, when you combine an R-Rated Alien series with an R-Rated Predator series, you get a......PG-13 movie?

I'll still be there because I'm a fan of both franchises.

Josh H

07-24-04, 11:09 AM

I'll definitely wait and catch this on DVD now. Being a Paul Anderson film I was skeptical to begin with (hated everything he's done except Event Horizon). I'll save my $6.50 and rent it for a couple bucks.

Rivero

07-24-04, 11:30 AM

PG-13?

Reason No. 28 to avoid this movie like a herpes-infested hooker.

Abob Teff

07-24-04, 01:07 PM

I am on the "R" side of this argument, but some of the logic here is all wrong. Mookyman has it right . . . it isn't that I don't want a PG-13 rating just so that I can see buckets of blood spilled down the camera lens. Quite the opposite actually. I think that movies that go "more blood just for the sake of gore" are trying to cover up the fact that they have nothing more to offer. Example, I think that Kill Bill would have been a much better film with less of the cartoony blood. The over the top tone of the violence/gore is very distracting from the overall tone of the movie. Some people love the gore, I personally loathe the fact that the horror industry has all but disappeared into the splatter fests of crap that are released these days.

So why do I want an R rating? Like Mookyman said, it isn't about the gore, it is about the tone of the movie. Much like the fact that you can get away with the F-bomb in a PG-13 depending on its tonal usage. A PG-13 means that the intensity of the film will be robbed away. I suppose that the Predator and Alien flicks were rather gory, but you know what? I don't recall them that way because the violence and the gore were used in furtherance of the story not to cover up the fact that the story was poorly crafted. A PG-13 rating indicates that the suspense level will be cranked down a notch in a series that is built on its intensity.

rexinnih

07-24-04, 02:02 PM

Looks like it'll be a wait until the unrated DVD to see this one.

Kicker_of_Elves

07-24-04, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Fox Studio Plant
Got to love the internet. Filled with E-tough guys, furries, and people who will bash a film simply because of a rating.

Well I wrote of Dawn of the dead before I ever gave it a chance and I loved it. after that I've given anything a chance. Now Predator is something near and dear to me. As a kid I wore out 2 tapes of predator watching it constantly. I loved Predator and I loved alines. When you mix the two it's complete happy land for me. Though I was very much in doubt about it all when the first signs of this film came about and then you know what, I just let myself enjoy what this is.

Now if you are going to nit pick about the rating before you ever see it then you will walk into it hating it. If you want to do that fine, be my guest, but don't start trying to make logical faults of a film you haven't seen based on what you believe will not be in the film.

OMG!!!11111 THEY WONT HAVE A PREDATOR RIP OUT SOME1'S SKULL!!11111 WHAT EVAR WILL U DO?????!!?!?!?!1111

from the looks of things it doesn't seem like the predators are hunting the humans regardless. So no skull ripping is needed from them. Remember, they are using them as bait for the aliens. their big prize in the film is killing alines.

So Sci Fi Creature vs Sci Fi Other creature means that it will be unrealistic violence. It can see be pretty gory, but since it's two objects that do not represent reality, then perhaps, just perhaps they can get away with a little more on that rating.

Fixed ;)

Jackskeleton

07-24-04, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Abranut
I understand your point, Jack...but I ask you this: Why not demand the best from the studios? Why settle for a cheapening of a brand just to make more money? The Alien and the Predator series were forged on blood and guts. Jason X wasn't a good movie, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining because of the gore. If they bumped Jason X down to a PG-13, and had Jason just been running amok knocking people unconciouswith a two-by-four, it would've been a shittier movie without question.

Aliens are scary as shit because they will explode out of your chest.

The Predator is badass because he'll skin your ass faster than you can say "Sexual-Ty-ran-o-saurus!"

I don't want to see these guys have a PG-13 pillowfight. I wanna see the only thing that I really loved about the original films as a kid. Being scared shitless and endless gore.

Now the chest poppers are one thing, but I doubt that there will be many inplantations shown in this film. And as for the blood and gore. Remember folks, Aliens bleed acid, Predators bleed Green kool aid. Since this will be a fight between those two with the humans involved as bait you really don't have the screen flowing with the blood of the humans all to much. So Realistic violence will be at a different scale opposed to aliens bursting and predators getting cut up.

The gore in the past films was more towards the creatures vs the humans. Now I may collect my pay check from this company, but I still have my own views on it and I don't get paid to kiss ass to any of their projects. Take a look at the things I've said about this franchise mix when it was in pre-production. Just feel that it could really turn out to be a fun film.

You wont see Predator and aliens having a pillow fight, you will see aliens being popped, but in doing so it's not the same level of violence counted as say a chest burster seeing the light of day.

Seantn

07-24-04, 02:51 PM

If they bumped Jason X down to a PG-13, and had Jason just been running amok knocking people unconciouswith a two-by-four, it would've been a shittier movie without question.

Nothing can make Jason X a shittier movie. It pretty much scraped the bottom of the barrell. I'm a Friday the 13th fan, but that movie.... It looked like they stole the sets from Andromeda...You could smell the canadian bacon coming off of the film...

candyrocket786

07-24-04, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Now I may collect my pay check from this company, but I still have my own views on it and I don't get paid to kiss ass to any of their projects. Take a look at the things I've said about this franchise mix when it was in pre-production. Just feel that it could really turn out to be a fun film.

Jack,

What exactly do you do for a living? :confused:

Seantn

07-24-04, 08:19 PM

You didn't know?

He is Paul Anderson. It's a fairly well known thing among the regulars on this board.

Jackskeleton

07-24-04, 08:23 PM

OH NOES!111 The secret is out of the bag! :p

Nah, I'm just part of the production crew on many random fox projects around the lot.

Zodiac_Speaking

07-24-04, 10:13 PM

I didn't want to bleieve it but during America's Most Wanted there it was, Rated PG-13 on my screen.

nnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOooooo!!!!!!!

Original Desmond

07-25-04, 03:40 AM

sucks ! too many films are PG 13 now !

Abranut

07-25-04, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by jonpeters
I didn't want to bleieve it but during America's Most Wanted there it was, Rated PG-13 on my screen.

nnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOooooo!!!!!!!

:down::down::down::down:

Catch 21

07-25-04, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Now the chest poppers are one thing, but I doubt that there will be many inplantations shown in this film. And as for the blood and gore. Remember folks, Aliens bleed acid, Predators bleed Green kool aid. Since this will be a fight between those two with the humans involved as bait you really don't have the screen flowing with the blood of the humans all to much. So Realistic violence will be at a different scale opposed to aliens bursting and predators getting cut up.

The gore in the past films was more towards the creatures vs the humans. Now I may collect my pay check from this company, but I still have my own views on it and I don't get paid to kiss ass to any of their projects. Take a look at the things I've said about this franchise mix when it was in pre-production. Just feel that it could really turn out to be a fun film.

You wont see Predator and aliens having a pillow fight, you will see aliens being popped, but in doing so it's not the same level of violence counted as say a chest burster seeing the light of day.

Jack is right. Last i checked it's Aliens vs Predator, Not Aliens and Not Predator. Ratings is based upon on human violence not Cgi vs puppets.

Seantn

07-25-04, 08:26 AM

Last i checked it's Aliens vs Predator

Actually, it's Alien vs Predator... No 's'! :)

Tarantino

07-25-04, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Catch 21
Jack is right. Last i checked it's Aliens vs Predator, Not Aliens and Not Predator. Ratings is based upon on human violence not Cgi vs puppets.

I doubt you could have an alien F'ing a predator, or a predator cutting off heads with acid spilling everywhere and cop a PG-13 rating...but wait, it isn't humans!

The violence will be super toned down. Lame.

Deftones

07-25-04, 01:39 PM

Well this sucks. I was looking forward to this, and now I'm not as much. :(

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Tarantino
I doubt you could have an alien F'ing a predator, or a predator cutting off heads with acid spilling everywhere and cop a PG-13 rating...but wait, it isn't humans!

The violence will be super toned down. Lame.

You'll be pretty surprised that if it is a sci fi creature then you can really get away with the head chopping action and other things of that nature. LOTR: TT had head chopping action. Episode II had an arm chop off with a fantasy weapon. It's not something to rule out just yet.

DVD Smurf

07-25-04, 04:29 PM

I really liked Event Horizon, and better horror film IMHO... I might actually see this film, who knows it might be an American version of Yimou Zhang's Hero. :)

Zodiac_Speaking

07-25-04, 04:43 PM

I'm a violence whore. I must get a few R-rated films in a month otherwise I go crazy.

No vilonce in AVP makes Jon go something, something.
Crazy?
Don't mind if I do!

Seriously, ratings don't mean nada, but, and its a big but, its Aliens and Predator and its rated PG-13? But I'm stoked to see it nonetheless.

jaeufraser

07-25-04, 06:52 PM

You know some of you guys are saying a pg-13 movie can have alien on apredator violence and get away with that. Let's get real...what movie, in our existence, got a pg-13 and reaches the type of violence we're talking about? None really...none at all.

The pg-13 just means that this is a sanitized action flick. And considering how Anderson isn't IMO a very good action director, or writer, that doesn't bode well for this film. Pretty much the only thing I was looking forward to was some kick ass ALien and predator action. That involves gore, not rapid cutaways.

I'll still watch this cause I love these characters. but everything points to this thing sucking and being a cheap imitation of the movies it's copying. I mean Predator 2...shitty movie but at LEAST it had some gore. And Paul Anderson is right about even in his directing abilities as Stephen Hopkins. Ahhh oh well. I didn't care for Event Horizon, but I was at least hoping for that Paul Anderson to make this movie.

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 07:03 PM

what movie, in our existence, got a pg-13 and reaches the type of violence we're talking about? None really...none at all.

Already mentioned some:

Star Wars: Episode II.. Guy gets arm SLICED completely off. Alien creatures get zapped and exploded. Head decapitated

Star Wars Episode I: Man gets sliced completely in half.

LOTR: Fellowship of the ring Man gets shot with arrows. Beast gest sliced a good one

LOTR: The Two Towers: People fall to their death, impaded, sliced, spliced, etc.

LOTR: Return of the King: Decapitated heads flung at people, Beast heads sitting around.

Jaws - PG film and look at the bush, the blood and the gore. ;) We're gonna need a bigger example.

Indiana jones and the temple of doom: Heart anyone? SNAKES or Snacks? you decide. ;)

I think a lot of you are taking this PG-13 rating a bit to far in screaming bloody murder. This is not the end of the world. Just deal with it. Go check it out for yourself and then you can bitch and moan all you want about the what should of, could have, and would have been of this franchise which I'm pretty sure will at the very least be entertaining regardless of the lack of human skulls.

freudguy

07-25-04, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton

I think a lot of you are taking this PG-13 rating a bit to far in screaming bloody murder. This is not the end of the world. Just deal with it. Go check it out for yourself and then you can bitch and moan all you want about the what should of, could have, and would have been of this franchise which I'm pretty sure will at the very least be entertaining regardless of the lack of human skulls.

Ok, odds are we will. In the meantime, I think we will still discuss what a bad omen this rating is. If that's ok with you, that is ;) No, it's not the end of the world. But it could be the end of two franchises I enjoy.

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 07:22 PM

I would suggest that a worse omen is that it's reviewer screening is so close to opening night. But that would only add fuel to your fire. I'm just saying.. If you were going to bitch about anything... that would be the thing to bitch about. ;)

freudguy

07-25-04, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I would suggest that a worse omen is that it's reviewer screening is so close to opening night. But that would only add fuel to your fire. I'm just saying.. If you were going to bitch about anything... that would be the thing to bitch about. ;)

Point taken ;)

jaeufraser

07-25-04, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Already mentioned some:

Star Wars: Episode II.. Guy gets arm SLICED completely off. Alien creatures get zapped and exploded. Head decapitated

Star Wars Episode I: Man gets sliced completely in half.

LOTR: Fellowship of the ring Man gets shot with arrows. Beast gest sliced a good one

LOTR: The Two Towers: People fall to their death, impaded, sliced, spliced, etc.

LOTR: Return of the King: Decapitated heads flung at people, Beast heads sitting around.

Jaws - PG film and look at the bush, the blood and the gore. ;) We're gonna need a bigger example.

Indiana jones and the temple of doom: Heart anyone? SNAKES or Snacks? you decide. ;)

I think a lot of you are taking this PG-13 rating a bit to far in screaming bloody murder. This is not the end of the world. Just deal with it. Go check it out for yourself and then you can bitch and moan all you want about the what should of, could have, and would have been of this franchise which I'm pretty sure will at the very least be entertaining regardless of the lack of human skulls.

I'm sorry but those examples are exceedingly tame compared to any of the Alien or Predator movies. Star Wars? Come on, get real. Those movies don't even come close to the violence and intensity of these flicks. LoTR is about as violent as you can get for pg-13, but even THAT doesn't reach the level of intensity (in terms of presented violence, not necessarily emotional impact so let's not do that comparison) of your average R rated violent movie. Not even close. There's an enormous difference between the two. Trying to say the pg-13 still allows them to do all those things we love about these characters is flat out insane. You MIGHT be able to get away with some of the things shot in ways where you can't really see them. But come on! Why would you want that? I know you're trying to defend this, but a pg-13 on this is just pathetic. That'd be like making a pg-13 Romero Dead movie. Could you see that happening also? Sure, it COULD be done. But it's stupid. You know the gore at pg-13 is pretty light.

No no no. Pg-13 on this movie is a death knell for it. It might make money, but it won't be any good. I was holding out hope but it just died. Oh well. That's the second franchise Anderson mucked up that I had high hopes for. And I thought Resident Evil was way too light on the gore. Geesh!

Zodiac_Speaking

07-25-04, 09:01 PM

Simple resolution: get rid of the MPAA.

Then all movies will be uncut & unrated. :)

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 09:12 PM

I'm sorry but those examples are exceedingly tame compared to any of the Alien or Predator movies. Star Wars? Come on, get real. Those movies don't even come close to the violence and intensity of these flicks.

Sorry, I'm not here to be your little dancing monkey. Examples were asked for, examples were listed. If they do not please you then I couldn't give a rats ass. They are there, so they don't fit your exact needs or win you over. Tough cookie. I'm not going to dance to entertain you when I tried. People may feel better screaming at a broken car. Screaming at the broken car wont do jack shit to make it start running again.

Just for crying out loud, there is SOOOOO much more you can bitch about Alien Vs Predator for. SOOOO MUCH, and the best you guys are doing is a stupid ratings? I'll ask you this, If PG-13 is the death Knell for films then why the hell are so many PG-13 films successful?

Like I said, there is a lot of "Should have been, Could have been, would have been" going on here when you whiners haven't even seen the god damn movie yet. WTF? seriously man. If the film sucks then you have a reason to bitch to high heavens on how it was the destruction of two franchise, but till then for crying out loud take this internet bitching to AICN cause that is what it's sounding like in here.

You know, I though Resident Evil was a piece of crap. Not because of a lack of gore, but because of a lack of zombies and a lack of relation to the video game. When it comes to Alien Vs Predator I have only two things that have to be there and I'm positive I will enjoy it.

A.) does it have an/or more then one alien? YES
B.) Does it have an/or more then one Predator? YES

both are checked so to me, I'm going to watch it. If it sucks I'll bitch about it afterwards. Till then it's meeting my requirements

But since we are on the subject of gore:

How much gore was in Alien? Not much really, it was more suspense then anything else. You got to see very little gore. Sure you saw a lot of milk like material when a robot went nuts. You also got to see a chest burster, which by all accounts could still very well make it into a PG-13 rating because of the Sci Fi violence which was exampled in Arm slice in Episode II.

Aliens. You had a bit more, but not all that much graphic gore. You had half dead people and another chest burster. You had offscreen deaths the majority of the time and another robot get sliced in half. Over all, besides the language it may very well be tame when it comes to gore

Alien3 , again another suspense film. Sure you had the fan accident but that wasn't really much to do with an alien more so with human accident. :p Over all tame on the gore if you ask me.

Alien Res. This was more strange gore. You had baby alien sucked through a hole. that was pretty messy. other then that a lot of off screen killing.

Now for the predator side:

Predator 1. Besides the skinning of the people, it wasn't all that gore filmed. You had the laser slice through a governors chest, but even that wasn't as gory as a lot of stuff now a days. A skull here and there which can still happen.

Predator 2. This one got it's rating because of the sex scene, nudity and drug use if you ask me. alot of the gore was just typical. I really didn't see all that much gore compared to more gun play and drug use and sexual content.

Over all both franchises don't resort to pointless gore in order to get it's entertainment across. I'll say this again.. IT'S ALIEN VS PREDATOR.. ALIEN VS PREDATOR. ALIEN VS PREDATOR. meaning humans aren't the Predators main target on this hunt. They are the wild boars of the field while the hunter is trying to catch lions. Get the picture? They may get in the way, but the predators main focus is the alien. Meaning you will see a lot of popping aliens (Something that those R ratings on alien wasn't put in for) and you will see a lot of green bleeding predators (another thing that wasn't the reason an R rating was given to predator franchise). Humans may be killed, but it's not going to be something extreme or over gory.

It's not stupid to do, and it can be done without the need for extreme gore, which both franchise haven't had to resort to in any part of the past. Does it suck that two R rated franchises are going to be combined to make a PG-13 film? sure, it doesn't sound all that great, but you know what... IT HAPPENED AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKED TILL AFTER YOU'VE SEEN IT.

so perhaps that the clue to see it before it becomes the dead horse you become so used to beating.

Abranut

07-25-04, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I'll ask you this, If PG-13 is the death Knell for films then why the hell are so many PG-13 films successful?

Just because a movie makes money (as PG-13 films tend to gross more), doesn't mean that it's a good movie by any means. The studios have found a formula that makes them more money: slashing content to widen their available audience (increase ticket sales).

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 09:31 PM

I'm sorry, but that's like saying "Just because something sells, doesn't mean people like it." No, that's exactly why it's selling.. PEOPLE FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER LIKE IT JUST ENOUGH TO BUY IT!

I'm as artsey as the next guy and I visit the local indie theater as much as possible, but even I know that in this industry, you can't expect to hit that niche market only and still make a good living. Those formulas are there for a reason and they have been there for some time for a reason.. Because they work. If they didn't, then they would have been changed to the next formula that does work.

You ever think about this possible scenerio. Fox makes this franchise to fit a pg-13 audiance by adding just enough content and gore that would reach the peak of Pg-13. this will then gather a new crowd that will enjoy what they saw. A taste for the two franchises and then from there they will look into both series and become a new fan?

Does this alienate the older fan? To some degree you get a little of what made the franchise so good to you. But on the other hand you have two successful franchises combined together in an event that we have been waiting to see for some time.

Now don't get me wrong, I want a good film as much as the next guy, but I'm realistic enough to realize that this industry, much like any business is about one thing above all else. Making a profit. Doing a circle jerk for the fans doesn't always pay the bills, especially if you make it so that only the fans of the two franchises will enjoy the film. You have to allow your film to be able to be enjoyable by both those fans AND new comers.

In this day and age with the internet being the shield that many hide behind to post their Movie Poop shoot-ish reviews and comments it's no surprise you get a lot of responses like this. The age of Internet Tough guys is all around us.

Just remember, at the end of the day, the film needs to make $$ to be successful. The critics, the public, everyone could say that it sucks, but if it makes money then it is a success in the minds of the studio.

Besides, this a freak'n popcorn flick. Enjoy it for what it is for crying out loud. Stop thinking what Could have been, should have been, would have been and start enjoying what is. Till you've seen WHAT IS, then you really shouldn't be bad mouthing it so much and especially not bad mouthing based on some rating you still do not know why it was given it.

mookyman

07-25-04, 10:26 PM

Ok, Jack, as you seem to be defending it now more on business than artistic terms, let's look at the grosses for the previous films:

In Millions:
ALIEN - $80 (Adjusted, roughly $170)
ALIENS - $85 ($145)
ALIEN 3 - $55 ($70)
ALIEN: RESURRECTION - $48 ($50 - Not a big difference here, I know)

PREDATOR - $60 ($100)
PREDATOR 2 - $30 ($40, again, not a big difference)

So let's see, two series where the well-liked entries sold enough tickets to pass century mark today, and even the panned ones have a tidy profit. All, apparently, despite the R. So I strongly doubt the PG-13 will even make much of a difference.

I wouldn't call you a shill, Jack. That's an overstatement. But you sure do sound like a guy who works for the studios.

mookyman

07-25-04, 10:28 PM

Oh, and I wouldn't really consider either the Alien or Predator series to be party of the "artey niche market."

freudguy

07-25-04, 10:33 PM

Alright, Jack. Quit patronizing us. I'm not some "internet tough guy". I'd say any of my previous statements to Paul Anderson's face.

No, there wasn't inordinate amounts of gore in the Alien & Predator flicks. What was there was startling at times.

Frankly, and no offense, I don't care that you are in the business. I have been a movie fan for years, long before the internet. I know about the business to a certain degree.

It is the majority opinion in this thread that Paul Anderson watered down the nature of these beasts to achieve a crowd-friendly rating. Though the Nightmare on Elm Street & Friday the 13th movies were much more violent, one can still make the case that a PG-13 version of Freddy vs. Jason would suck sh__ out of a squirrel's ass.

I really don't care what anyone else thinks. I think 20th Century Fox & Paul Anderson MAY have dropped the ball. If I see it and I'm wrong, great. But being a genre fan, and knowing how the business works sometimes, I doubt I will be pleased.

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 10:54 PM

I wouldn't call you a shill, Jack. That's an overstatement. But you sure do sound like a guy who works for the studios

My employment to fox has been known for a while. But I have no reason to shill for them on this film or any. My views have been my own regardless if I work for them. Hell, I complain a lot about them. Infact, I'm not sure you will find someone who bitches more about fox then me. Have it be Fox News (Fair and balance, AM I RITE?) or crap films like Garfield or the crappy marketing on Girl Next Door. I complain a lot about fox because I'm on the inside and look out. No no, the reason I jump on the defensive is I just grow tired of the over use of ratings as the sole reasons films are bashed. If you have noticed any of my post in the past you would see the moment that the items of MPAA and Censorship is brought up, that button is pressed and pressed hard.

Take a look at the past AVP threads. I really got pissed about Paul's direction and the situation that they placed the aliens and predators in. I was really opposed to that.

You will also notice how the predator and alien franchises mean to me, not for any business standpoint, I have nothing to gain, but as a special thing for me as I have loved these series since I was a wee lad.

Freud, I think my comments were more harsh because of the tone jaeufraser responded to me when he asked for examples and I gave some.

The exchanges between me and you have been pretty good and I do understand where you are coming from.

As for standpoint on what Fox has to gain. They have two franchises that have had cult status for a while. Success with video games and comic books on these two, but the film scene for both have been lowering and lowering in the past. They want to bring some blood back into it. By marketing it to a younger or larger group, they can sink in a lot more new comers to the two franchise and hope to shoot for more sales all around. Makes sense to me.

My only factor is I get to see aliens and predators in action again on the big screen.

Infact the only connection I have to this film on the fox studio is I get to rape the promotions department for all the goods I can. other then that, I have no connection to it, nor do I get a cent of what it makes. So shill? Nah, just a combination of annoyed that the Ratings game came into play when clearly there is a lot more you can bitch about this film for.

I, myself am just happy to see new blood in these two series. Hopefully it leads to more projects. Namely ones without Paul Anderson at the helm.

mookyman

07-25-04, 11:03 PM

I'm not talking about censorship in this case, nor do I think anyone here really is. I'm talking about Fox having no cojones.

jaeufraser

07-25-04, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
My employment to fox has been known for a while. But I have no reason to shill for them on this film or any. My views have been my own regardless if I work for them. Hell, I complain a lot about them. Infact, I'm not sure you will find someone who bitches more about fox then me. Have it be Fox News (Fair and balance, AM I RITE?) or crap films like Garfield or the crappy marketing on Girl Next Door. I complain a lot about fox because I'm on the inside and look out. No no, the reason I jump on the defensive is I just grow tired of the over use of ratings as the sole reasons films are bashed. If you have noticed any of my post in the past you would see the moment that the items of MPAA and Censorship is brought up, that button is pressed and pressed hard.

Take a look at the past AVP threads. I really got pissed about Paul's direction and the situation that they placed the aliens and predators in. I was really opposed to that.

You will also notice how the predator and alien franchises mean to me, not for any business standpoint, I have nothing to gain, but as a special thing for me as I have loved these series since I was a wee lad.

Freud, I think my comments were more harsh because of the tone jaeufraser responded to me when he asked for examples and I gave some.

The exchanges between me and you have been pretty good and I do understand where you are coming from.

As for standpoint on what Fox has to gain. They have two franchises that have had cult status for a while. Success with video games and comic books on these two, but the film scene for both have been lowering and lowering in the past. They want to bring some blood back into it. By marketing it to a younger or larger group, they can sink in a lot more new comers to the two franchise and hope to shoot for more sales all around. Makes sense to me.

My only factor is I get to see aliens and predators in action again on the big screen.

Infact the only connection I have to this film on the fox studio is I get to rape the promotions department for all the goods I can. other then that, I have no connection to it, nor do I get a cent of what it makes. So shill? Nah, just a combination of annoyed that the Ratings game came into play when clearly there is a lot more you can bitch about this film for.

I, myself am just happy to see new blood in these two series. Hopefully it leads to more projects. Namely ones without Paul Anderson at the helm.

hey I wasnt' trying to be rude or put you down. I just lvoe these characters and am just pissed off about the rating. It just means this is NOT the film I expected. But those examples you gave don't really represent R rated violence on the levels of these films at all. Sorry if I insulted you, wasn't meant to be an attack on you, but come on...ratings do sometimes mean something.

Nonetheless, while I agree success for this film would be great if it lead to more films, I don't think pg-13 is a good idea whatsoever. I've never seen a movie pg-13 that was like an Alien or Predator...that level of gore and violence just has never been met. The Star Wars and Indiana Jones and LoTR aren't good examples because they aren't at that level of violence. Not even close at least not the films I saw.

But truth is...if this pg-13 watered down movie does well, what does that mean? it means we'll see more for sure. But do you really think it'll lead to the movies we want to see? or just a series of watered down half ass Alien/Predator movies worse than the first and rated at most pg-13? You're in Hollywood...you know how it goes.

And while its success could bolster more films, it doesn't change the fact I wanted this film to be good. And well...it's not going to. You seem to realize that, and while I'll prolly end up seeing it cause these creatures still look badass and I want them to do well, I know now not to expect more than pure mediocrity. Which is lame. Beyond lame

Again, sorry if I came off rude but for us fans who wanted this to be decent, the pg-13 does represent the fact that it for sure will not be the movie we wanted.

Tarantino

07-25-04, 11:17 PM

I think all of you should just bow down to Jack.

I'm not thrilled about the lack of balls from the studio and unless it gets really good reviews, I'll probably wait for this one on DVD...but come to think about it, I'd have probably waited for DVD on this one anyway.

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 11:19 PM

Ratings sometimes do mean a lot. But when we are talking about Paul Anderson, he's one of those to go by the book and get hired again for what he does best.. Buckle under the studio's wishes on what they want him to do.

Now trigger will support this, But I'm far from a fan of Paul's work. OOOOoooh, how I hate the guy. But just because a PG-13 film succeeds, doesn't mean that we will see a zerg rush of more PG-13 films. infact, I'm pretty sure fox will pimp out an "unrated" version of the film when it's in the DVD scene. The sales of these Unrated films hasn't caused more unrated films to hit theaters. Nope, it's cause a lot of studios to try to market that Unrated tag when its in the secondary market. That's why you see Universal pimp out every other film with an Unrated tag on it. :p

Another reason I'm in the camp now that is "Watch it before you bitch about it" is because of how much crow I ate with Dawn of the Dead. Anyone on the boards during the year prior and the few months after would tell you that I ate massive crow on that. I bitched so much about it during production and then I caught a sneak preview and bam.. I loved the film. since then I try not to bitch about a film because I know if given a chance, it can entertain me.

So I'm no shill, I'm just someone who wants to enjoy the entertainment piece created. I love films. So much that I made it my career. :p

Sunday Morning

07-25-04, 11:19 PM

Studios suck more nowadays then they did a couple of decades ago. May the suck go away. May the movie gods shed their light upon us in these dark days, oh thee lord.

Mr. Cinema

07-25-04, 11:46 PM

Did anyone even read my post earlier?

Okay....all the aliens killed humans in all 4 of the movies and got an R rating for each. All the predators killed humans in all 2 of the movies and got an R rating for each. aliens AND predators kill humans in this movie and it gets a...... PG-13 rating.

WHY?????????????????? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE????????????????? I mean, are the aliens and predators more polite killing the humans this time? are they doing it in a politically correct way this time around?

candyrocket786

07-25-04, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Cinema
Did anyone even read my post earlier?

Okay....all the aliens killed humans in all 4 of the movies and got an R rating for each. All the predators killed humans in all 2 of the movies and got an R rating for each. aliens AND predators kill humans in this movie and it gets a...... PG-13 rating.

WHY?????????????????? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE????????????????? I mean, are the aliens and predators more polite killing the humans this time? are they doing it in a politically correct way this time around?

Maybe the red blood was replaced with black tar in AVP. There could very well be some scenes in B&W :D

Jackskeleton

07-25-04, 11:54 PM

aliens AND predators kill humans in this movie and it gets a...... PG-13 rating

More like:

Alien wants to harvest humans while predator is killing aliens (and trapping humans for bait).

Did anyone even read my post earlier? Puppet vs Puppet = Fantasy Violence.

I also suggested other reasons for the ratings in the franchise. Language for one thing in both predators. As well as Human vs Human violence between street crimes and a mad rush on gorrillas (Stick around?) In predator 2 you had sexual content and drug use. Those factor into it.

Alien franchise.. Language for the most part, some graphic detail, sexuality in Alien ? eh, some minor things here and there.

Again, it's ALIEN VS PREDATOR. Humans are just the bait for one to get the other. Why kill your bait if the hunter knows it likes it moving? Predator wont be doing much of the human killing, Aliens wont be doing it either since that's the nature of aliens. Harvest. Bring back the live human to create MORE aliens. A dead human is worthless to them, so they kill only when needed.

God, I feel like such a nerd.

vinhj

07-26-04, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by mmconhea
Not only are you crazy, but you obviously don't belong on an internet forum.

:lol:

ChrisKnudsen

07-26-04, 06:40 AM

jesus christ, guys i haven't seen any of the Aliens or Predetor movies but you guys just keep on talking about all these awful gore scenes. Learn how to use spoiler tags before someone who hasn't seen these classics come to this forum, for christsakes.

harosa

07-26-04, 07:22 AM

You didnt think these movies had violence in them? I havent read any specific descriptions so far.

ianholm

07-26-04, 08:38 AM

My god, these movies have been around for twenty+ years with six films between them. I don't think it's necessary to have spoilers about humans getting killed.

Rypro 525

07-26-04, 10:40 AM

rated pg-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore

so either they really pushed the pg-13 movie, or because these are creatures fighting, they were more leniant

Jackskeleton

07-26-04, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by harosa
You didnt think these movies had violence in them? I havent read any specific descriptions so far.

I put some details on what happened in them, but you figured if someone lived under a rock long enough to miss out six movies and two completely different franchises that they would be smarter then to post in a thread several pages into it based on both franchises.. well you would wonder atleast. :whofart:

bhk

07-26-04, 01:44 PM

I don't like the "group of scientists" and the guy that got sliced in a million pieces in Resident Evil going in. It should be a military group going in with someone like Arnold or Vasquez leading. Other than that, it looks interesting. Probably wait for the DVD cause our local theater isn't that great.

rennervision

07-26-04, 02:07 PM

Well, let's face it. The fact that it's rated PG-13 is hardly the biggest indicator this movie will stink up the place. How about the fact that there hasn't been a single Alien or Predator movie since 1987 that was actually great? I mean, you would think in almost 20 years someone could have come up with a worthy entry in this series, but this apparently has proven to be an impossible task.

(Disclaimer: Of course, this does not take into account that "Alien Resurrection" is so bad it succeeds in making "Alien 3" look like a masterpiece. I'm also ignoring the single greatest moment of "Predator 2," as matome pointed out - Teri Weigel. :up: )

jaeufraser

07-26-04, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by rennervision
Well, let's face it. The fact that it's rated PG-13 is hardly the biggest indicator this movie will stink up the place. How about the fact that there hasn't been a single Alien or Predator movie since 1987 that was actually great? I mean, you would think in almost 20 years someone could have come up with a worthy entry in this series, but this apparently has proven to be an impossible task.

You're absolutely right. The pg-13 rating isn't what did it. When I heard Riddick was pg-13 I didn't think "oh no this will suck even though Pitch Black was R."

But...since Alien V Predator first off, is written and directed by Paul Anderson, I had little faith this could be good anyway. And all I had left was a hope that somehow these creatures would look cool despite the director, and we'd get some awesome death scenes. Apparently not.

I mean even if it is gory for the alien on alien action (which I highly doubt it's actually that gory, come on, it's pg-13, I doubt we're going to see Predators ripped in half left and right) it's still lame that we won't be getting any human gore of any worth. I mean...that's just lame.

Let me put it this way...Predator 2 wasn't that good, Alien Ressurection was awful. But you know what at least made Predator 2 ok? Well, it had Predator and some cool gory scenes. Yeah, that was about it. This time we'll get a Paul Anderson action movie with these characters without the gore. Blah.

yecul

07-26-04, 03:46 PM

The rating itself isn't the reason the movie will be mediocre. It's the fact that they had/have low expectations for the movie and want to pander to the largest possible audience.

The premise/story doesn't sound very good. The director has a history of making movies (most) people don't like.

I love the Predator and Alien franchises (despite some stinkers). This could have been a fantastic movie with the right premise and execution. Now it'll probably end up being crap. Maybe it'll still work out and be good, but I wouldn't expect it.

Nevertheless, I'll be right there opening weekend.

jaeufraser

07-26-04, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by yecul

Nevertheless, I'll be right there opening weekend.

God that's the worst part. So will I. They could probably make a Holocaust musical starring Liza Minelli and the Alien and Predator directed by Uwe Boll and I'd still watch the damn thing. Dammit. Fox.

Dr. DVD

07-26-04, 05:23 PM

Maybe if all we get is a bunch of Predators and Aliens slicing and dicing on each other then a PG-13 is deserved. Also, they can get away with a lot of violence in a PG-13 nowadays, just not sex and nudity. I wouldn't be surprised if we get at least one chest burster scene and heaven knows how many Predator slicing off alien heads scenes.

adamblast

07-26-04, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by candyrocket786
PG-13 and the words Alien or Predator should never be used in the same sentence....ever!!!!!

What this means for me:

No human impalement
No removal of any human skin
No removal of human spines
No human beheadings
No severing of any human body parts (via laser blast)
No human cauterized injuries (via laser blast)
No visible human brains (via laser blast)
No graphic, human chest burster scene

Basically, no fun....But I'm still going to see it, regardless. I thought you might like to know that the Department of Homeland Security now has you on their list. :)

yecul

07-26-04, 05:46 PM

It's not just about slicing and dicing. You have to find the characters compelling/interesting/sympathetic, the storyline has to work, etc. You can have all the blood and guts, but if it's meaningless it won't matter.

However, when you have two incredibly violent species fighting with a pretty brutal one in the middle there's inherantly going to be R rated violence taking place. So, unless 1) there isn't much violence, 2) said violence takes place offscreen, or 3) it's incredibly watered down, it's just hard to imagine a picture like this getting a PG-13.

Imagine if Freddy vs Jason was PG-13. It goes against the genre and that's why I have a problem with it.

God that's the worst part. So will I. They could probably make a Holocaust musical starring Liza Minelli and the Alien and Predator directed by Uwe Boll and I'd still watch the damn thing. Dammit. Fox.

Well, yes and no. If the reviews are mixed, then I will see it right away because it's a genre I love and there's a good chance I would enjoy it. If the reviews are universally terrible, then I'd wait or rent.

Rammsteinfan

07-26-04, 06:54 PM

Its finally on the offical site today. Hehe slime and gore.

http://www.avp-movie.com/images/legal.jpg

QuiGonJosh

07-26-04, 07:28 PM

if its rated PG13...well thats the last straw...F**K THIS MOVIE!!!

matome

07-26-04, 09:52 PM

"slime and gore" :lol:

A quick kinda off-topic question: The Predator 2 credits list Elpidia Carrilo (the chick from the original) in the movie. Where the hell is she in it?

DonnachaOne

07-26-04, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by matome
"slime and gore" :lol:

A quick kinda off-topic question: The Predator 2 credits list Elpidia Carrilo (the chick from the original) in the movie. Where the hell is she in it? Archive footage that Gary Busey shows Danny Glover.

matome

07-26-04, 10:23 PM

Ah! Thanks.

vhgong

07-26-04, 10:24 PM

PG-13 for Aliens vs Predator gave me the impression that the movie is bargain bin material at Walmart for 4.99. Just doesn't sound serious enough to do it justice.
Sh*t, the more i think of this , the more i think of how crappy Mortal Kombat was.

Jackskeleton

07-26-04, 11:07 PM

Looks like you don't realize that this forum is rated PG-13 for language since you can say SHIT now and not be censored. Imagine what this film can get away with on that same rating. ;)

vhgong

07-26-04, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Looks like you don't realize that this forum is rated PG-13 for language since you can say SHIT now and not be censored. Imagine what this film can get away with on that same rating. ;)

I seriously hope you are right about the movie. I really do.

meharry2003

07-26-04, 11:58 PM

This complete and utter crap! I can't believe this, I used to be indifferent when it came to Paul W.S. Anderson, but now he has gone too far!

My Theories:

1. They did for later they can release an R-Rated or Unrated DVD version so they can make more $$$$

2. They did this to make more money from teens. More teens can go see it if it's PG-13. But, many adults will not go to see it because of it's crappy PG-13 rating.

3. Paul W.S. Anderson is an idiot.

I think it's number 3!

THIS PISSES ME OFF!!!!

Jackskeleton

07-27-04, 12:07 AM

2. They did this to make more money from teens. More teens can go see it if it's PG-13. But, many Elitist will not go to see it because of it's crappy PG-13 rating.

Fixed

Your average movie goer doesn't care what the rating is unless it is higher then what they can get into. Once you reach a point where you aren't stopped by some rating to watch a film, you really don't notice.

gcribbs

07-27-04, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Fixed

Your average movie goer doesn't care what the rating is unless it is higher then what they can get into. Once you reach a point where you aren't stopped by some rating to watch a film, you really don't notice.

It does depend. If the movie was shot as an R rated movie and then cut down to PG-13 it may suffer.

I think King Arthur would have done better BO with an R rating than it did with a PG-13 rating. I liked the movie ,but many people did not like the cuts that reduced the violence.

It just depends how it was filmed.

Mr. Cinema

07-27-04, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Your average movie goer doesn't care what the rating is unless it is higher then what they can get into. Once you reach a point where you aren't stopped by some rating to watch a film, you really don't notice.

Unless they know that both the main characters featured were each in all R-rated movies before this one. And they begin to wonder why putting both in the same film would all of a sudden make this movie less scary, graphic, and violent....according to the rating.

I think the average movie goer would be pissed if Freddy vs Jason or the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre were both rated PG-13. Why? Because all of their predecessors were rated R!!!!

Jackskeleton

07-27-04, 12:42 AM

again, your average movie goer doesn't pay attention to directors, producers, or even studios for that matter. The only reason they will even care about film ratings is if they are a parent looking at what the content their childern are going to watch or they are under that age limit to get through the door. Once you past that age you really don't pay attention to those things.

Now, do we have any indication that it was filmed as an R and watered down at any point during filming? I don't have anything that points me that direction off the top of my head.

This is just one thing internet users like us who are aware of every little fart any best boy or boom mic operator cuts loose because of constant internet updates. The general public really doesn't care.

I'm not saying that it is a good thing, nor that it is a good sign of the film. But to me, it's not something that is an auto death knell like most of you are stating. For those signs that it will not be the second coming of jesus on the screen that us predator and alien fans are expecting after years of waiting, you can simply go to other MAJOR factors that are bad signs. Saying that I'm going to go to the theater with an open mind. enjoy what I watch and then if it's that good, see it on the lot another time.

A rating is not a automatic death for a film. Riddick was enjoyable and that wasn't R (correct me if I'm wrong)

Brent L

07-27-04, 12:47 AM

It isn't just the rating that is the problem. A simple rating means next to nothing to the average casual filmgoer, I agree with that. However, what does matter is the result of said rating, as has already been said.

The main group of people who will go see this film will be fans of the other Alien and Predator films from the past. If, after the opening weekend, word gets out that it's a lot tamer than the former films, missing a lot of the vital parts which were in the older films that was able to exist because of the higher R rating, many people might hold off from going to see this one. Some may never watch it at all.

The rating itself, the writing, means nothing. The result of said rating means everything.

Jackskeleton

07-27-04, 12:59 AM

It's going to be missing a lot of the vital parts the rest of the franchise has had by default of the story itself.

Aliens are not in space or on a colony of some sort. they are on earth. That in itself is going to be strange that people will just have to deal with.

Lacking from this from the rest of the franchise series is going to be some sex appeal. sure predator didn't have anything of that nature, but predator 2 did. Pred 2 also had drug use and a lot of street gun fighting. Predator 1 had a lot of gorilla battles and suspense. This seems to be a straight run and gun type of film. Only the guns will be a bit less then what the franchise of predator has had.

Aliens has always had a futuristic look, either that or an industrial look of H.R. Gigers design. This will be set in a pyrimad. While it offers some sort of maze like feel, it will still be a big change.

I think the real meat and potatos that fans of the franchise are coming into this film for is the simple fact that it has aliens and it has predators and they are going to go at it.

Now lets be fair. a Hard R would make it that this film not be open to a lot of new folks walking into this franchise (How many new folks walked into Freddy vs jason?), it would stick AvP into a niche market even more so. With video games of the franchise appealing to the age of computer gamers, those of which might be young. I think that is why Fox decided to make this a PG-13 film.

Was that the best choice? No, I will say that. But will it kill any possible chance that this film is enjoyable? No way. A lot of folks just automaticlly assume PG-13 = terrible. That is not the best way to look at films. Can the film possibly have some of the stuff the franchise has been known for because of the rating? Yes, it could try. Dont expect tons of gore, but then again, both franchise haven't been known for gushes of blood in the past, I don't see why it's known for that now?

Brent L

07-27-04, 01:07 AM

Eh, I don't think the setting is going to matter all that much. From the trailers that I've seen it looks pretty fitting for all of the characters involved. The dark and gritty areas and the such. I just don't see how the exact content in this film will be able to match what we've seen in the past from both franchises.

We'll get gore, slime and gore mind you (hahaha), but it will mainly just be between the two monsters.

I'm obviously going to see it, but I'm not going in it expecting "Aliens vs. Predator". I'm going in it expecting just a new film. It does hurt me that I feel that I need to go in it looking at it like that though.

Jackskeleton

07-27-04, 01:13 AM

When I first heard about the setting, I nearly gave up on it.

Earth = aleins .. BLAH, the whole point of the franchise was to make sure that the aliens never got to earth. Now they are here... blah blah

Predators weapon = they get some sort of ninja star blade.. blah, their blades are 3x longer. BLAH BLAH

No Marines = BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Paul Anderson = BLAH BLAH BLAH

Now about the gore. I didn't think we were ever going to get much human gore. this is Aliens Vs Predator after all. ;) Aliens want humans to be alive to create more of their kind. they take them back to the queen alive if possible. Predators want the humans there to create more aliens since that is what they are hunting. I suppose I just tossed that out the window from the get go. :p

Kicker_of_Elves

07-27-04, 01:50 AM

Honestly Jack, i think Paul Anderson is worth about 7-10 Blahs. He's the main reason i am not excited to see this film.

I'll still go see the movie but i'm keeping my expectations at an all time low, and that sucks cause i really love these characters.

DonnachaOne

07-27-04, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by kicker_of_elves
Honestly Jack, i think Paul Anderson is worth about 7-10 Blahs. He's the main reason i am not excited to see this film. I'll see your "blah"s and raise you twelve "ugh"s.

I'm actually looking forward to release day more than the film itself. I'm going to come into work and sell tickets with a little alien sticking out of my chest, bloodied and writhing.

Oddly enough, that won't even be in the film now. :rolleyes:

Jackskeleton

07-27-04, 02:13 AM

You see a predator catch a chest buster in his hand, I'm willing to bet that you will see them in the film. ;)

duff beer

07-27-04, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by mmconhea
Not only are you crazy, but you obviously don't belong on an internet forum.

:lol:

Jackskeleton

07-31-04, 01:41 AM

if there is any reason to hate this film, it's not for the pg-13 rating..

there is worse things:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=242

i'm still there because it's free on the studio lot..

jaeufraser

07-31-04, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
if there is any reason to hate this film, it's not for the pg-13 rating..

there is worse things:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=242

i'm still there because it's free on the studio lot..

You know though...I think most of us had little hope this would be a good movie because of Paul Anderson. If anything we were just hoping for some good Alien v Predator action and some good ol death and gore stuff, like any B movie monster movie should have. Cause I don't think anyone was expecting anything better.

But oh well. Now with the pg-13 we know even that isn't true. And that review pretty much states lots of humans get killed in the movie...so it's pg-13 not just cause it's alien on alien, but because they jsut don't bother to show the human deaths. What a shame. I mean...this could've at least been a terminator 3 quality popcorn flick! But oh well.

Trigger

07-31-04, 06:15 AM

I don't care what it is rated.
I like Paul W.S. Anderson.
I will go see it regardless.
That review was discouraging (and spoileriffic), but I can't condemn a movie I haven't seen.

Jackskeleton

07-31-04, 06:23 AM

I'm with you trigger.

though I still disagree with the Paul W.S. anderson, but shit, I'll give it a try simply because I have dreamed of aliens and predators on the big screen fighting for ages.

Trigger

07-31-04, 06:30 AM

I think the original Alien might have gotten a PG-13 if not for the boobage... I think the MPAA is pretty loose on blood and gore, but pretty stuffy when it comes to boobies. It's like, what if they just threw in a boob shot in AvP to get an R rating? Would you complainers be all excited about it? Who cares if it's pg-13? It doesn't mean you can only see it if you're 13 years old. Being R rated doesn't make it a better movie either. I mean, I can see where some of you are coming from somewhat - you want to see lots of blood and gore and death on screen. I can respect that. But to not see it because of the rating is silly. It's Aliens vs Predators vs Humans... there will be blood and gore... and slime. Don't worry. I'm more concerned with whether it'll be entertaining and good than if there's gonna be 5 gallons of red syrup or 4 gallons.

Jackskeleton

07-31-04, 07:41 AM

wow trigger.. we agree on something.. I think this is the sign of doom. :p

I agree. predators R rating comes from hanging upside down skinned humans and the amount of Human vs Human violence. Predator 2 came from sex, drugs and language.

if there is something to worry about here is the story. if it screws up with your enjoyment of aliens fighting with predators. and a rating isn't going to effect that side at all. so no worries. enjoy yourself and yes, the story is going to suck. lets just hope the action is good.

jaeufraser

07-31-04, 10:48 PM

I think many of you guys are way overestimating what a pg-13 movie can show. Alien could be a pg-13 rating? Sure, if you cut out all the language, the chest bursting scene, the flashes of nudity, and some more gore. Sure.

And let's be real here...people are pissed at the rating because we know what it means. Does anyone here honestly think it's pg-13 due to artistic intent? I mean seriously?

Everyone knows it pg-13 at studio request to reach a larger audience. Everyone knows it's pg-13 and directing by Paul Anderson. It's pg-13 cut down from what had to have started out as an R concept. What we'll get is flashy editing, quick cutaways and very fleeting views of slime and alien gore, and barely any blood and real death.

Let's be real...the pg-13 was just the cherry on top of an already crappy sounding movie. And there's a reason the pg-13 on this film is causing an uproar and not for the Riddick movie. Because that's what these movies are. We know the pg-13 is not a move that was done to make a better movie. So it's not just that it's pg-13 (though I'll be honest I think you're nuts if you think they could make a hard gory violent alien predator movie on pg-13...I've never seen one that is, even LoTR is fairly tame in comparison to R films) but more importantly it just represents what Fox is doing to this movie. They hired a hack to begin with, then this. THAT"S why everyone is so pissed. Gore was all we had left to hope for...at least for me.

Jackskeleton

07-31-04, 10:51 PM

due to artistic intent

Artistic intent? This is Paul Anderson we are talking about. Art is the farthest thing possible to say when mentioning him.

For all those who scream against the rating, I have to wonder if you really think more gore = better movie.

Did I ask for a hard core gore alien vs predator movie? No, I'm asking for a GOOD alien vs predator movie. Gore doesn't come into play when you speak of an alien or a predator. Not much gore involved in green glow in the dark paint and acid.

Because that's what these movies are

that's what the franchise was because of other outside elements which were pretty clear NOT going to be in this film.

If you are pissed about fox hiring a hack to begin with then jump on that. but the moment it's a bitch feast about the MPAA and how the ratings are a piece of crap then you step into the grounds of something else.... atleast to me.

jaeufraser

07-31-04, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Artistic intent? This is Paul Anderson we are talking about. Art is the farthest thing possible to say when mentioning him.

For all those who scream against the rating, I have to wonder if you really think more gore = better movie.

If you are pissed about fox hiring a hack to begin with then jump on that. but the moment it's a bitch feast about the MPAA and how the ratings are a piece of crap then you step into the grounds of something else.... atleast to me.

Well Jack...let's try to have some perspective, this is a thread about the rating of this movie. I think most of us are just stayign on topic. If we just came in here and ranted about how awful Paul Anderson is, wouldn't that be...better for another thread? I'm sure we all did that to death. What you have here is the death knell for this movie. With Paul Anderson in charge, nobody was expecting anything but B movie junk. But you know what, we were at least hoping for some decent carnage. I don't know why it bothers you that so many are pissed at this rating. I mean this is a thread about the rating! And this type of movie being pg-13, well, would any in their right mind actually say it's a GOOD thing?

Does gore make a better movie? No, not necessarily. But when the only hope left anyone has for the movie is some nice special effects and some good ol carnage, what is left now? Honestly, I wasn't expecting anything better than Freddy vs Jason after WS got hired, but I figured we'll at least get some fun gore and crap like that movie. Seriously it's fairly obvious why everyone is pissed. This is a movie that just should be rated R to begin with. There's no logical reason within the realms of what people want to see in this movie that would justify this rating, except for the financial ones. But nobody here gives a crap about that. When we have a thread about Alien vs Predator, I'm sure the hate will be directed towards Paul Anderson. But in a thread about the rating of this movie..well...I imagine most people are going to talk about (and in this case rightly blast) the rating for being representative of a watered down stupid movie.

And maybe it sounds lame, maybe uneducated, but I ENJOY gore. While the first two Alien films and the first Predator are great for many reasons, I happend to love the extreme gore scenes. The chest bursting scenes? Carl Weathers with his arm chopped off? Skinned bodies? Acid burned faces? I love it. I didn't expect this film to have those better qualities of filmmaking like those films, but I at least figured it could match up in terms of action and gore. When that's all that's left to hope for, and the rating shows that won't be in the movie, why wouldn't we be bothered by the rating?

Jackskeleton

07-31-04, 11:47 PM

But when the only hope left anyone has for the movie is some nice special effects and some good ol carnage, what is left now?

A lack of RED gore doesn't mean that there will be a total lack of gore in the sense that we were expecting from aliens fighting predator. as for special effects. I'm still pretty sure people are pleased that they did not resort to CGI and instead, used puppetry and animtronics for the movement of the alien and predators.

what's this last hope crap anyways?

Eh, I'll still watch it simply because it's aliens fighting predators. if it sucks, then I will say it sucks. but not till I atleast watch it.

jaeufraser

08-01-04, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton

what's this last hope crap anyways?

Well I think you and I both agree Paul Anderson is a shitty director. So I was hardly expecting this movie to be good. But I was hoping for some good gore and alien scenes. I can enjoy a piece of junk movie for certain things, but there's little left here to interest me. That was my "last hope crap," as you put it, for this movie. Maybe I shouldn't have said anyone, but I know I speak for many people who agree with me.

Jackskeleton

08-01-04, 12:52 AM

I suppose I just don't associate Aliens or Predator with the typical GORE that comes with most horror. I'm not a fan of senseless gore for the sake of having it. never really cared for a lot of the horror films because of that. Predator was never really about gore. Aliens was more about deep space horror. not much gore in Alien. Aliens had very little gore and a lot of off screen killings.

I'm sure we could sit here and proclaim that we are speaking for however many other people who think they are right.. But just because a group of morons screams that the sky is purple, it does not make it so. Lets just stick to speaking for ourselves and our own taste.

I'm still on the stance that I will wait to see the film before I pass judgement. It may be total crap, it may be enjoyable. Damning it now will do no good for anything except add fuel to the flames of this witch hunt.

And if it does turn out to suck, You know the forum will be the first one I let know. ;)

Goldberg74

08-02-04, 11:49 PM

I was quite surprised to that this film was rated PG-13...

... I wonder how many people will bring their 5 year-olds to this one now?

Can't wait to see it! :up:

Kicker_of_Elves

08-03-04, 11:35 PM

from superherohype.com

In addition to the "based on characters created by" credit Alien creators Ronald Shusett and Dan O'Bannon will receive on "AVP" alongside Predator creators Jim and John Thomas,Shusett and O'Bannon will also share a "story by" credit with Paul W.S. Anderson. This is because Anderson apparently copied and pasted 40 pages of unfilmed material from the original Alien's screenplay into the new "AVP" movie.

So, in addition to the respective franchises' "based on chracters created by" credits, the new "AVP" film's credits will read "story by" Anderson, Shusett, and O'Bannon...Written and Directed by Paul W.S. Anderson

What the hell?

Tarantino

08-04-04, 01:40 AM

This movie is going to suck. Flat out.

Jackskeleton

08-04-04, 02:14 AM

Eh, it has aliens

it has predators..

If you're a fan of the franchise combination you must have played and enjoyed the capcom arcade scroller where the humans and predators work together..

it's going to be enjoyable for what it is.

Kumar J

08-04-04, 02:47 AM

I am with you on this Jack!

wmansir

08-04-04, 03:13 AM

I'm a big Aliens franchise fan, I can even stomach most of Aliens: Resurrection. I'm also fan of Predator and have grown to like Predator 2, which I didn't care for initially. But Paul W.S. Anderson just doesn't do it for me. Unless I hear very strong word of mouth, which doesn't look likely, this one will probably wait for video (unless I'm bored and there's nothing else to see).

Dr. DVD

08-04-04, 09:15 AM

I can't believe that a PG-13 rating for AVP would fuel so much argument. It's just a rating!!! Sheeez!!!

FWIW, I think this occurs before both franchises begin their storylines. If that's true, maybe the Predators decide hunting Aliens is too hard and this is why they decide to hunt humans?

steebo777

08-04-04, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Eh, it has aliens

it has predators..

If you're a fan of the franchise combination you must have played and enjoyed the capcom arcade scroller where the humans and predators work together..

it's going to be enjoyable for what it is.
My thoughts exactly. Boobies in the movie would've made some icing though :)

fumanstan

08-04-04, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Goldberg74
I was quite surprised to that this film was rated PG-13...

... I wonder how many people will bring their 5 year-olds to this one now?

Can't wait to see it! :up:

We know Big Quasimodo will! ;)

ENDContra

08-04-04, 03:36 PM

Why does it matter what its rated? This movie shouldnt have been made in the first place.

Jackskeleton

08-04-04, 03:56 PM

o_O

and why is that? Two franchises that have been in the VS stage for a decade already.

jaeufraser

08-04-04, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
o_O

and why is that? Two franchises that have been in the VS stage for a decade already.

Which seriously raises the question..which so much rich background on thee versus series...why in God's name does this take place in Antartica!

Damn this could've been so good. Space marines, aliens, predators, violence, mayhem. It could've made a great genre movie. Then...they hired Mr Anderson. At least the movie looks nice. But Anderson's look isn't bad, his movies are. I have to say most of his films look good from their previews. Another reason I have zero faith in this film.

Jackskeleton

08-04-04, 04:32 PM

Damn this could've been so good. Space marines, aliens, predators, violence, mayhem. It could've made a great genre movie. Then...they hired Mr Anderson. At least the movie looks nice. But Anderson's look isn't bad, his movies are. I have to say most of his films look good from their previews.

I agree completely.. but I'll stillw atch it.

jaeufraser

08-04-04, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I agree completely.. but I'll stillw atch it.

Yeah so will I. I mean...even though I've done a fair amount of bitching (cause I surely had hopes this could've been something good) with these two characters even if it's awful it'll be watchable. I've watched Resurrection and Predator 2 many a time, and for some reason I doubt even Paul Anderson could make a film that is worse than Alien Resurrection. Something about these characters...

Of course, they could have Alien and Predator having a tea party bagging on Halle Berry and I'd prolly watch it.

Brent L

08-05-04, 01:40 AM

Check this out everyone.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/alienvspredator.html

Something about this just rubs me the wrong way.

candyrocket786

08-05-04, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by BrentLumkin
Check this out everyone.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/alienvspredator.html

Something about this just rubs me the wrong way.

Looks like a goddamn wrestling match. There's also something off about the creature sound effects and the musical score.

Jackskeleton

08-05-04, 02:13 AM

Looks like a goddamn wrestling match.

I didn't see any people's elbow, so I'm still hopeful at enjoying it. :p

Kicker_of_Elves

08-05-04, 02:55 AM

The Predator looks like a mini godzilla.

harosa

08-05-04, 06:15 AM

That was a hot fight scene, I hope its not the best one in the movie but still a cool scene, the Alien CG shots looked nice.

PalmerJoss

08-05-04, 06:29 AM

It looked like 2 guys in rubber suits for most of the fight, except for the end where the Alien just looks like a rubber doll. I don't imagine the rest of the film will be much different.

Caliking

08-05-04, 12:03 PM

ummm....is that the new power rangers movie?

Brent L

08-05-04, 12:39 PM

That's about what I was thinking also, lol.

Jackskeleton

08-05-04, 12:45 PM

It looked like 2 guys in rubber suits for most of the fight

People were bitching about a possible CGI filled film and were happy at one point to have it 2 guys in rubber suits. So what's the problem now?

riley_dude

08-05-04, 02:10 PM

The rating doesnt bother me it's the rock sountrack playing during the commercials that does.

Josh H

08-05-04, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
People were bitching about a possible CGI filled film and were happy at one point to have it 2 guys in rubber suits. So what's the problem now?

I think a lot of people don't realize that non-CGI special effects don't automatically equal good special effects.

I don't care how something's done it just has to look good to me. There's great CGI and great costume/makeup/minatures etc. and crappy effects with each method. It just depends on how well done they are.

chanster

08-08-04, 06:59 PM

Its really hard to judge due to the crappy streaming aspects of the fight. The predator looks bad, he doesn't have stature of the original predator, but I guess there will be several types of predators in this movie..so who knows?

yecul

08-08-04, 07:33 PM

People were bitching about a possible CGI filled film and were happy at one point to have it 2 guys in rubber suits. So what's the problem now?

It's all about having good FX. To me, it's irrelevant whether the effects are CGI or real... if we're talking this flick, the Hulk, etc... so long as they're good. They'll mix it up in this movie, but IMO, it wasn't terribly good. Hopefully all the predators don't look that way and the alien wasn't so hot either.

Note - I never complained about the potential FX in the movie, one way or the other before.

Dr. DVD

08-08-04, 09:10 PM

Like I said earlier, the fight had some high level slicey dicey violence. I wouldn't be surprised if the death toll among aliens and predators in this movie is beyond reason, but because it ain't humans being wasted it gets a PG-13, and therefore must suck. ;)

What's also interesting is that this movie is giving us fans quite a bit of what we have always wanted to see in both series.

1) Aliens on earth: check
2) More bad a$$ looking Predators: check
3) Aliens fighting the Predators: check

Yet, it's all for naught because of a PG-13? Go figure.

freudguy

08-12-04, 01:42 PM

Well, one person that has seen the film talks about the PG-13 rating in the Horror Channel website forum (http://www.horrorchannel.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3741).

Here's a snippet:
"Now...about the PG-13 rating, which I tried so hard to ignore: IT SHOWS!!! God, does it show! Most of the violence in this film is not directed towards Aliens or Predators...but HUMANS. When it's time for a chestbursting or a tongue-death, all we get is a typical cut away. Gone is the colorful profanity that was so much fun to listen to. Even the token "ugly muther*****er" line gets cut off half-way through. This is exactly what we all feared: A franchise film that looks and feels as if it were made for little kids. I'm not saying an R-rating would've automatically made this good (far from it)...but it would've at least given us some fun carnage. "

Looks like my fears were realized from this person's point of view.

C-Mart

08-12-04, 04:13 PM

I can't believe I read this whole thread. There was so much repetition in the arguments.

In regards to things like the "tongue-death" how many of those actually were shown on-screen in the Alien series? I can only remember 1 and I think it was in Alien 3. Most of the other times all we see is a human head, then pan to the alien and the tongue shoots out. We all know what happens, but we almost NEVER see it. Chestbursting on the other hand... well as Jack pointed out we see a the Predator grab the burster in the trailer, so we should get to see at least 1 of those scenes.

But you know, I don't care how bad the movie is, as long as it ends with a restrained Predator with an Alien egg right in front of him... that or it happens IN the movie. (I have no idea how it ends, this is just something I hope for, hence no spoiler.)

Time to throw in Alien... I wonder if I can squeeze in the whole series today? I don;t have either of the Predator movies to watch.

Jackskeleton

08-12-04, 04:29 PM

Thank you C-mart. I've been saying this for the longest time. I don't see why people are relating the franchises with extreme gore.

As far as I can remember, the majority of all the deaths in the franchise were really cut away from. There are only a very few that are actually shown to full gory detail.

bareva

08-12-04, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Gyno Rhino
Sounds like a movie begging for an unrated crazy cut on DVD.

Then again, it may suck either way. We'll see.

I agree. if so wouldnt be a bad idea.

jaeufraser

08-12-04, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Thank you C-mart. I've been saying this for the longest time. I don't see why people are relating the franchises with extreme gore.

As far as I can remember, the majority of all the deaths in the franchise were really cut away from. There are only a very few that are actually shown to full gory detail.

Well, let's be real here. That's sorta true for Alien (though every film had at least a couple very gory shots including chestbursters and such) though if you made any of the Alien movies pg-13, they'd be quite different movies. Predator was hardly a cut away event. In fact Predator was quite gory, with spines being ripped out, arms being shot off, skinned bodies and more. nonetheless these films ALL have moments of extreme gore. Alien could be pg-13, but that would involve cutting out perhaps the most famous scene from the movie. Doesn't really work does it?

Nonetheless Jack I don't understand why you argue against us who wish for an R rating. Everything including reviews (like the one right above) indicates this film is a watered down mess. I think a little gore and carnage would make it more entertaining. After Paul Anderson was signed, I think most people lost hope but for a gory carnage filled popcorn flick. This IS a monster movie with more human deaths than the original Alien or Predator. I mean it's fine that you dont' care about gore and don't think it adds anything to a monster flick like this, but a lot of us do.


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