Should Pearl Jam be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?

[corycouger]

What do you think?

[Deftones]

Absolutely. One of the most influential bands of the early 90's.

[DJLinus]

They'll be eligible in 2016. I could see them being inducted. Who else in the class of 1991 would be worthy of a nomination?

[nightmaster]

As DJLinus said, they aren't eligible and can't be for quite some time. There are some wonderful artists out there that can't be nominated for many years to come because of the Hall Of Fame's criteria...I guess it's 25 years after releasing a recording?

[Hollowgen]

I don't see why not. Pearl Jam's really the only "grunge" band that has stuck around to be successful, prolific, and engaging. Rock 'n Roll at it's finest.

[hippochris]

YES

[Dubya]

Of course, why wouldn't they?

[Nesbit]

Without a doubt and I don't even enjoy Pearl Jam.

[Michael Corvin]

Originally posted by Hollowgen
I don't see why not. Pearl Jam's really the only "grunge" band that has stuck around to be successful, prolific, and engaging. Rock 'n Roll at it's finest.

That is because they changed. Some people bitched about it, but face it, if they kept releasing 'Ten' every two years they would have gone the way of all the other alternative acts. They have grown as artists and musicians.

[Hollowgen]

Originally posted by Michael Corvin
That is because they changed. Some people bitched about it, but face it, if they kept releasing 'Ten' every two years they would have gone the way of all the other alternative acts. They have grown as artists and musicians.

you finished my thought for me. i'll also add that i think even though they've changed, they've continued to do nothing but great rock 'n roll.

[j123vt_99]

Nirvana

Originally posted by DJLinus
They'll be eligible in 2016. I could see them being inducted. Who else in the class of 1991 would be worthy of a nomination?

[Brain Stew]

Originally posted by j123vt_99
Nirvana

They are elligible in 2014; Bleach came out in 1989.

[Tommy_Harn]

Originally posted by j123vt_99
Nirvana

My guess is that if this post were asking about Nirvana, you'd have far less of a consensus. If it were Nivana, I'd vote "No." Since its Pearl Jam, I vote "Yes."

[DJLinus]

Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
My guess is that if this post were asking about Nirvana, you'd have far less of a consensus.

I disagree. Even though I'm not a huge fan, I think that they will definitely get in. Just look at the way that the music press rides Cobain's jock. They've practically given him sainthood.

[cdollaz]

Usually you have to have popularity over a long period of time, and I just don't think Pearl Jam has held that level of popularity at this point. At some point in their career, I think they will need some time of revival or watershed comeback album to get in. Other than the first 2 or 3 albums, most people have no clue about Pearl Jam's work or what they have been up to.

I'm not bagging on them and I like PJ, but based on history, I just don't think they would get in if their career just continues to go as it has.

[Josh H]

No question. They were very influential, and are still making great music.

[Applejack]

I think they will... and they definitely should. Every album of theirs is great.

I thought about what Cdollaz said about how they haven't sustained popularity, and I don't think that matters. They always nominate those 50s bands that I have never heard of or who had one or two hits. Even though Pearl Jam isn't as big now, from their first two or three albums they probably had 10 bonafide hits.

[j123vt_99]

They still sell out every show... They lost some public view when they were fighting Ticketmaster and stopped putting out videos.. but they have been very innovative... one thing that comes to mind is releasing all the 2003 shows on CD and giving people the ability to listen to them right after the show occured. big use of technology to spread their music

Originally posted by Applejack
I think they will... and they definitely should. Every album of theirs is great.

I thought about what Cdollaz said about how they haven't sustained popularity, and I don't think that matters. They always nominate those 50s bands that I have never heard of or who had one or two hits. Even though Pearl Jam isn't as big now, from their first two or three albums they probably had 10 bonafide hits.

[Michael Corvin]

Originally posted by Applejack
Even though Pearl Jam isn't as big now, from their first two or three albums they probably had 10 bonafide hits.

Well if you want to look at it as 'hits', I believe Jeremy was their biggest hit and that only went to around No.75 on billboard that year. But I could be wrong.

[j123vt_99]

i'd like to see backup on that.. it is usually on the top 20 of alltime songs on MTV


Originally posted by Michael Corvin
Well if you want to look at it as 'hits', I believe Jeremy was their biggest hit and that only went to around No.75 on billboard that year. But I could be wrong.

[Brain Stew]

Originally posted by Michael Corvin
Well if you want to look at it as 'hits', I believe Jeremy was their biggest hit and that only went to around No.75 on billboard that year. But I could be wrong.

Dude, don't go trolling.

Daughter
Elderly Women Behind the Counter In a Small Town (?)
Betterman
Dissident

all get played on the radio all the time. The only reason the singles from VS. weren't on the Billboard charts is because they were not released as singles (in the US)

[lostatmidnight]

Originally posted by cdollaz
Usually you have to have popularity over a long period of time, and I just don't think Pearl Jam has held that level of popularity at this point. At some point in their career, I think they will need some time of revival or watershed comeback album to get in. Other than the first 2 or 3 albums, most people have no clue about Pearl Jam's work or what they have been up to.

I'm not bagging on them and I like PJ, but based on history, I just don't think they would get in if their career just continues to go as it has.

Well, they may not be popular to the drone's, the pop music masses, but they sell out every place in the world, packing the loyal fans night after night...and these are not small, claustrophic leaking roof clubs either.

Those who stopped listening after Ten and Vs. will always say such things...

Pearl Jam continues to create ambitiously artistic music on their own terms.

Will they be inducted, yes when their times comes.

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by lostatmidnight
Well, they may not be popular to the drone's, the pop music masses, but they sell out every place in the world, packing the loyal fans night after night...and these are not small, claustrophic leaking roof clubs either.

Those who stopped listening after Ten and Vs. will always say such things...

Pearl Jam continues to create ambitiously artistic music on their own terms.



You could say the same things about Rush, and they aren't in yet.

[boobietheclown]

Last Kiss was actually their highest charting hit. It was #3 I believe.

They deserve to be inducted. IMHO.

[Michael Corvin]

Originally posted by Brain Stew
Dude, don't go trolling.


huh? :hscratch:

I just remember reading in Blender, in their monthy "greatest songs of all time.." article. They covered Jeremy last year. They mentioned how high it charted(around 75) and that it was their highest hit. Maybe they meant highest original song?

You gotta think that when alternative acts like PJ & STP were popular, they still weren't as popular as acts like Boyz II Men, TLC, Janet Jackson, Celine Dion, and many others. It was still a niche genre. It was big, but not that big. I don't think it really exploded until after Cobain took his life.

[Michael Corvin]

Alright just checked here (http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-p/pearljam_main.htm)..my memory must have been quite fuzzy, or the article was wrong. Probably the former.

"Daughter" No. 39
"Tremor Christ" No. 40
"Better Man" No. 40
"I Got ID" No. 28
"Who You Are" No. 37
"Given to Fly" No. 37
"Last Kiss" No. 10

[atlantamoi]

Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
My guess is that if this post were asking about Nirvana, you'd have far less of a consensus. If it were Nivana, I'd vote "No." Since its Pearl Jam, I vote "Yes." You are joking right? Didn't even think there would be one minute of debate about Nirvana getting in. I personally don't like PJ, but don't have any issues with them being inducted one day. They did have (unfortunately) a pretty big influence on 90's rock.

[Rivero]

Originally posted by cdollaz

I'm not bagging on them and I like PJ, but based on history, I just don't think they would get in if their career just continues to go as it has.

They still make good albums, are highly influential and sell out shows to this day. I think their induction is a no-brainer.

[j123vt_99]

Your second point I think is a point in favor of Pearl Jam.. Out of those "popular" acts very few of them are still around, much less still creating good new music


Originally posted by Michael Corvin
huh? :hscratch:

I just remember reading in Blender, in their monthy "greatest songs of all time.." article. They covered Jeremy last year. They mentioned how high it charted(around 75) and that it was their highest hit. Maybe they meant highest original song?

You gotta think that when alternative acts like PJ & STP were popular, they still weren't as popular as acts like Boyz II Men, TLC, Janet Jackson, Celine Dion, and many others. It was still a niche genre. It was big, but not that big. I don't think it really exploded until after Cobain took his life.

[wendersfan]

I would hope they never make it, since I've always thought they were a pretty crappy band, but I suppose worse bands have been inducted. Nirvana, OTOH, would be a slam dunk.

[Nagheenanajar]

Pearl Jam is absolutely my favorite band. They deserve to be inducted and I'm not just saying that since they are my fave. In the beginning they were musicans now they are artists. Their music has evolved as they have grown. They will be inducted when their time comes.

[Tommy_Harn]

Originally posted by atlantamoi
You are joking right? Didn't even think there would be one minute of debate about Nirvana getting in. I personally don't like PJ, but don't have any issues with them being inducted one day. They did have (unfortunately) a pretty big influence on 90's rock.

No, not joking. I think Nirvana is one of the most over-rated bands ever. I know quite a few others would agree. They also only made a handfull of records. I'm sure there will be those who will lobby to get them in, but do they really deserve it? Its debatable.

Pearl Jam on the other hand has been making albums/touring for well over ten years. They still have a huge following.

[wendersfan]

Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
No, not joking. I think Nirvana is one of the most over-rated bands ever. I know quite a few others would agree. They also only made a handfull of records. I'm sure there will be those who will lobby to get them in, but do they really deserve it? Its debatable.

Pearl Jam on the other hand has been making albums/touring for well over ten years. They still have a huge following. Are you gonna start a petition to get the Velvet Underground kicked out of the hall of fame? How about Cream?

Longevity does not a great band make.

[Michael Corvin]

Jimi only had 4 albums. Kick his lazy-non-album making ass out!

[JonTurner]

Aboslutely, it would be assanine to think they won't be in in 2016

[Rivero]

Originally posted by Tommy_Harn
I think Nirvana is one of the most over-rated bands ever. I know quite a few others would agree. They also only made a handfull of records. I'm sure there will be those who will lobby to get them in, but do they really deserve it? Its debatable.


No, it's not. Nirvana will be inducted in 2013. End of debate.

[Michael Corvin]

Like Nirvana or not, they helped usher in a new genre of music to the mainstream and a style- grunge. It isn't often that happens. Listen to the radio today, everything is still hanging on to that thread that these bands started in the early 90's. It is easier to do that to make money than try and do something comepletely different and original.

[Brain Stew]

I think people forget how groundbreaking Nirvana and Pearl Jam were when they came out. Prior to Nevermind, Michael Jackson's Thriller was #1. I don't know about you guys, but for my friends and I, we could relate to Nirvana a lot more than we could Michael Jackson.

Yes, grunge was short-lived, and somewhat vapid, and near they end became ridiculous. But it really helped out a lot of people who couldn't stand the "plastic-fantastic" world of the 80s.

We will see, the RNR Hall of Fame Inductions should get interesting as we approach the 25th Anniversary to "Hair Metal". I will say this though, if Poison get inducted Nirvana should be instantly let in.

[Flashback]

Originally posted by Brain Stew
We will see, the RNR Hall of Fame Inductions should get interesting as we approach the 25th Anniversary to "Hair Metal". I will say this though, if Poison get inducted Nirvana should be instantly let in.

There is no way Poison will ever get in the HoF. The only hair band that I can think of that will get in is Bon Jovi.

As for PJ...not a big fan, there are some okay albums, but I can understand if they do make it. Definitely a lot more bands/artists that are deserving who have not been inducted yet.

[j123vt_99]

huh.. Thriller was released like 10 years earlier

Originally posted by Brain Stew
I think people forget how groundbreaking Nirvana and Pearl Jam were when they came out. Prior to Nevermind, Michael Jackson's Thriller was #1. I don't know about you guys, but for my friends and I, we could relate to Nirvana a lot more than we could Michael Jackson.

Yes, grunge was short-lived, and somewhat vapid, and near they end became ridiculous. But it really helped out a lot of people who couldn't stand the "plastic-fantastic" world of the 80s.

We will see, the RNR Hall of Fame Inductions should get interesting as we approach the 25th Anniversary to "Hair Metal". I will say this though, if Poison get inducted Nirvana should be instantly let in.

[Michael Corvin]

Originally posted by j123vt_99
huh.. Thriller was released like 10 years earlier

That is what I was thinking. Last I checked that and Eagles: GHv.1 were flopping back and forth for biggest album sales of all time. But I haven't heard much about it lately.

Actually PJ's Vitalogy was in the top 5 first week album sales of all time list. But alas that was before N*Sync, Britney Spears and Eminem brainwashed the public I'm betting it still may be skirting the top 10. lol. I read shit like this and it just hangs around in my head. Kinda useless stuff.

[johnbook]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Flashback
[B]There is no way Poison will ever get in the HoF. The only hair band that I can think of that will get in is Bon Jovi.

You will be eating those words in 2011 when poison yes poison will be inducted, i personally can't wait, and your point about bon jovi being the only "hair metal" band having a shot, wrong i can think of a few great bands along with bon jovi, like, motley crue,def leppard,ratt,whitesnake,twisted sister,guns N' roses and dokken all getting heavy consideration in a few years when they are eligible...

And my opinion on pearl jam getting in yea they should when there time comes, they were great in the 90's like the bands i mentioned above were great for the 80's...

[Rival11]

Definitely, still my fav band to this day :up:

[dolphinboy]

Pearl Jam-yes
Nirvana-yes
Def Leppard-yes...hopefully

[ChrisKnudsen]

Yeah, they should but not before R.e.m. or even Mudhoney who released the first real grunge single "Touch me I'm Sick." I think any band that has a great influence on rock music should be put in like Marshall Creenshaw or Love.

[Edward Aquilera]

I don't like Pearl Jam at all so no I don't think they should be admitted into the hall of fame. My friend loaned me his copy of Ten & it sounds like they just ripped off Creed.

[Hollowgen]

Originally posted by Edward Aquilera
I don't like Pearl Jam at all so no I don't think they should be admitted into the hall of fame. My friend loaned me his copy of Ten & it sounds like they just ripped off Creed.

sweet point, dude.

[Nagheenanajar]

Originally posted by Edward Aquilera
I don't like Pearl Jam at all so no I don't think they should be admitted into the hall of fame. My friend loaned me his copy of Ten & it sounds like they just ripped off Creed.


How dare you compare Pearl Jam to Creed? Creed has got to be one of the most no-talent ex-bands ever formed. Anyways how can PJ sound like Creed. Ten came out 13 years ago and Creed formed maybe 5-6 years ago.

[Flashback]

Originally posted by johnbook
[QUOTE][B]
You will be eating those words in 2011 when poison yes poison will be inducted, i personally can't wait, and your point about bon jovi being the only "hair metal" band having a shot, wrong i can think of a few great bands along with bon jovi, like, motley crue,def leppard,ratt,whitesnake,twisted sister,guns N' roses and dokken all getting heavy consideration in a few years when they are eligible...


I do not know if you are joking or not ;)

GnR I do not consider a hair band and may make it. All the others? I can't see it. No way no how...if they did make it I would be speechless. Only way Coverdale gets in is through Deep Purple and that's if they even consider him a major part of DP.

[atlantamoi]

Originally posted by johnbook
You will be eating those words in 2011 when poison yes poison will be inducted, i personally can't wait, and your point about bon jovi being the only "hair metal" band having a shot, wrong i can think of a few great bands along with bon jovi, like, motley crue,def leppard,ratt,whitesnake,twisted sister,guns N' roses and dokken all getting heavy consideration in a few years when they are eligible...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Brain Stew]

Originally posted by Michael Corvin
That is what I was thinking. Last I checked that and Eagles: GHv.1 were flopping back and forth for biggest album sales of all time. But I haven't heard much about it lately.

They didn't have SoundScan until the early 90s when Nevermind came out. Because of that, Billboard went by the number of units shipped to retailers.

Once SoundScan was created, a more real-time Billboard chart could be created.

[cdollaz]

Twisted Sister, Ratt, and Whitesnake in the RRHOF!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[Rivero]

Originally posted by johnbook
[QUOTE]
[B]You will be eating those words in 2011 when poison yes poison will be inducted, i personally can't wait, and your point about bon jovi being the only "hair metal" band having a shot, wrong i can think of a few great bands along with bon jovi, like, motley crue,def leppard,ratt,whitesnake,twisted sister,guns N' roses and dokken all getting heavy consideration in a few years when they are eligible...

Dude, get some new taste.

[benedict]

<small>Originally posted by Flashback
Only way Coverdale gets in is through Deep Purple and that's if they even consider him a major part of DP. </small>Before the [very successful] USA "makeover" Whitesnake had more of a heavy blues sound. Coverdale's 1977-released <A HREF="http://www.purplerecords.net/northwinds/northwinds.htm" target="_blank">first album</a> on leaving Deep Purple doesn't really have anything of his later MTV period about it.

[Flashback]

Originally posted by benedict
<small> </small>Before the [very successful] USA "makeover" Whitesnake had more of a heavy blues sound. Coverdale's 1977-released <A HREF="http://www.purplerecords.net/northwinds/northwinds.htm" target="_blank">first album</a> on leaving Deep Purple doesn't really have anything of his later MTV period about it.


Yes...I do know that...in fact Coverdale (imho) is a very good singer. There was definitely a make over due to the times but early Coverdale/Whitenake is still a great spin every now and then. Even though there are a couple of songs I like during the MTV time (some were actually old songs rehashed) it's a shame that he is only known as 'the dude with the chick on the Jaguars.'

[Flashback]

Sorry 2x post