I apologize if this thread is a repeat, but I didn't remember seeing it before...


So, what are the current trade rumors? As a matter of fact, where's the best place to look for them?

The biggest one I've heard so far: Cubs RHP Matt Clement to Boston for SS Nomar Garciaparra (possibly before the deadline, probably after the season)

WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Kevin Millwood
Phillies
Cardinals Jul. 9 - According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, a number of sources have corroborated the report in The Bucks County Courier Times that the Phillies and Cardinals have discussed a trade of Kevin Millwood and Placido Polanco for Matt Morris and Steve Kline.
One NL exec told Stark, "Polanco would be the key to the deal, because you figure the two starting pitchers are either a wash, or St. Louis gets the worst of it. So to make this deal, they'd have to be sure Polanco was some kind of answer."

The Phillies have been exploring ways to upgrade their rotation and add depth to an overworked bullpen. Morris, a 22-game winner in 2001 who's 9-6 with a 4.33 this year, would replace Millwood as Philadelphia's staff ace. Millwood has struggled this season (6-5, 5.07), and many believe a change in scenery would be beneficial.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Derek Lowe
Red Sox
Phillies? Jul. 9 - With the Phillies reportedly willing to deal Kevin Millwood, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark connects the dots:
Of the prospective free-agent starters out there, the only one who might need a change of scenery more than Millwood is Derek Lowe. And Lowe never pitched better, you'll recall, than he did under current Phillies pitching coach Joe Kerrigan.

There has been no indication the Red Sox have any interest in Millwood. But an assistant GM of a third team that has talked to Boston went as far as to predict that Lowe will be traded in the next month if the Red Sox can find a decent replacement.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Randy Johnson
Diamondbacks
Yankees
Red Sox
Angels?
Dodgers?
Cubs? Jul. 9 - The New York Daily News reports Johnson Has let the Diamondbacks know he'd be willing to waive his no-trade clause in order to pitch for a contender, and he reportedly prefers the Yankees. Meanwhile, reports continue to circulate that Johnson also might be willing to accept a trade to Boston, although Red Sox GM Theo Epstein told the Boston Globe recently, "There's nothing going on with Randy Johnson, zero." Epstein told the Boston Globe.
The L.A. Times, meanwhile, reports the Angels "are closely monitoring" the Big Unit's situation and "are expected to pursue Johnson vigorously if he goes on the market." The Dodgers and Cubs also have been mentioned as possible suitors.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Roger Clemens
Astros
Yankees? Jul. 9 - The New York Daily News suggests the Yankees could try to re-acquire Roger Clemens from the Astros, but Houston GM Gerry Hunsicker told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark "things would really have to get desperate" for him to consider dealing The Rocket.
"Roger has been such a story, such a draw," Hunsicker said, "that just from an attendance standpoint, I don't know how you could make a case for trading him."



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Ugueth Urbina
Tigers
Cubs? Jul. 9 - ESPN.com's Jayson Stark is hearing the Tigers have yet to make Urbina available, and some people are beginning to question the reliever's value. "Look at Urbina's day-by-day (numbers) sometime," one GM told Stark. "We're looking for a definitive upgrade on what we have. We already have guys who put up zeroes one day and crooked numbers the next."
But an executive of another team in the bullpen market says: "To me, he's the most desirable guy out there, because he's done it."

Previously, the Chicago Sun-Times reported the Cubs had been scouting Urbina, who signed with the Tigers after helping Florida win the World Series last season. The Detroit News has indicated the Tigers would listen to offers for Urbina if they can get back a position prospect or two.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Orlando Cabrera
Expos
Cubs? Jul. 9 - The Expos and Cubs are talking about a trade to bring Cabrera to Chicago, sources told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, with one source calling the deal "a good possibility." But the Cubs are understandably concerned about Cabrera's dismal numbers (.238, 23 RBI and only 11 doubles -- after three straight 40-double seasons). So this is no lock to get done.
Cabrera recently told Insider's Jerry Crasnick he turned down a long-term contract extension in the spring and plans to become a free agent in the offseason. "I have to move on with my career," Cabrera said. "There's a better future for me somewhere else, where I can establish myself and know where that team is going and try to help them win."



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jason Kendall
Pirates
Marlins Jul. 9 - ESPN.com's Jayson Stark suggests the Marlins could be looking at Kendall to improve their offensive production from the catchers' spot. Marlins catchers rank 28th in the majors in RBI (28) and slugging (.312) and are 26th in batting average (.229). Florida and Pittsburgh have had exploratory talks regarding Kendall, but neither team wants to absorb the bulk of Kendall's salary -- $38 million through 2007. However, as the July 31 deadline approaches, both sides could be more willing to give in.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Kris Benson
Pirates
Mets?
Yankees?
Phillies?
Dodgers? Jul. 9 - There reportedly are seven or eight teams actively stalking Benson, but ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports the Pirates want a young impact bat -- preferably at a corner infield position -- and that price tag is going to be tough for many teams to meet. However, GM Dave Littlefield told Stark he's getting tired of reading that his demands are "outrageous." "I've done enough deals now," Littlefield said. "Nothing is outrageous. All you have to do is say no."
Stark indicates the Mets, Phillies and Rangers have the right pieces to deal for Benson but suggests the Twins might be the best bet.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Ty Wigginton
Mets
Angels?
Reds?
Pirates? Jul. 9 - The Mets continue to dangle Wigginton in their search for pitching help, preferring to deal him rathern than one of their younger prospects, such as David Wright. ESPN.com's Jayson Stark indicates the Mets could have a match with either the Angels (for Ramon Ortiz) or Reds (for Cory Lidle or Paul Wilson). But the Reds haven't decided if they're buyers or sellers. And the Angels have been slow to decide whether they even want to move Ortiz.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Roberto Alomar
Diamondbacks
Yankees? Jul. 9 - Alomar has asked the Diamondbacks to trade him now that it's clear he can't crack their starting lineup, but there have been few teams interested. One team official told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, "Man, they'd just about pay you to take Alomar."
The New York Post reported earlier this week the Yankees are monitoring Alomar's situation, though they're very happy with Miguel Cairo and Enrique Wilson. But since the Diamondbacks are going nowhere and Alomar doesn't fit into their rebuilding plans, they will likely move him before the July 31 trading deadline. He is making $924,234 this season, which is chump change for the Yankees.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Steve Finley
Diamondbacks
Rangers
Yankees
Padres
Red Sox
Cubs Jul. 8 - Several teams are rumored to be interested in Finley, but there's no guarantee the center fielder will be moved before the trade deadline. The Arizona Republic is reporting there's a chance Finley could be given a one-year extension by the D-Backs.
"I've had lots of conversations with Steve and (Arizona GM) Joe (Garagiola Jr.) separately over the past seven to 10 days," Finley's agent, Tommy Tanzer, told the paper. "We've been kept in the loop and get the impression they (the Diamondbacks) will strongly consider every option."

Finley has a no-trade clause, and has not stated explicitly if or for whom he's willing to waive it. The Rangers, Padres, Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs are all believed to be interested.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Rich Aurilia
Mariners
? Jul. 8 - The Mariners have stepped up their efforts to trade Aurilia, the Seattle Times reported. If the team can't trade Aurilia, it may be prepared to release him and eat the remainder of his $3.1 million contract. The veteran shortstop could generate some interest from National League clubs after hitting .316 in interleague games at NL parks. In late May, there was talk that San Francisco was asking about bringing back the infielder, who was a standout for them from 1996 to 2003. But the Mariners, who signed Aurilia as a free agent in January, backed away from the deal.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Larry Walker
Rockies
? Jul. 8 - Walker would be interested in playing for a contender, though he is not asking for a trade from the lowly Rockies. "Anybody would want to play for a contender, and in a perfect world that contender would be the Rockies," said Walker, who balked at a trade to Arizona before last season. "I signed a contract to play here and until they kick me out the door, I'm here." The veteran is signed through next season with a base salary of $12.5 million and a $1 million buyout on an option for 2006. His salary this year is $12.5 million.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Carlos Beltran
Astros
? Jul. 7 - Speculation already has begun that Beltran could be traded a second time if the Astros, who acquired him from Kansas City in June, continue to fade in the NL Central and wild-card races. A number of teams were after Beltran when the Royals were shopping him, among them the Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, Marlins, and Cubs.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Russ Ortiz
Braves
Yankees
White Sox? Jul. 7 - A week after reportedly dangling Ortiz, a free-agent-to-be, in trade talks, the Braves have regrouped and decided not to deal any pieces as they eye a run at the NL East title.
The Yankees had inquired about Ortiz after reports surfaced that Atlanta had discussed dealing the right-hander to the White Sox before Chicago obtained Freddy Garcia.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Andruw Jones
Braves
Yankees
White Sox? Jul. 7 - Jones' name surfaced last week as a player the Braves might consider trading, but now the team has committed to making a run at the NL East title and doesn't plan to trade anyone.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Shawn Estes
Rockies
Giants Jul. 6 - The Giants are on the lookout for pitchers, and Estes might be on the trading block, the San Jose Mercury News reports. Estes, 31, played for the Giants in 1995-2001 and pitched in the All-Star Game in 1997, when he went 19-5 with a 3.18 ERA. The left-hander is 8-4 with an altitude-affected 5.92 ERA for Colorado after being signed to a minor league contract worth $600,000 for one year.
The Denver Post recently called Estes "a walking trade rumor" and suggested the Rockies are willing to move him, but the paper also quoted the pitcher as saying he doesn't want to be traded. "In the conversations I had with (Rockies officials) over the winter," Estes told the Post, "it wasn't about using me for a half-season. I want to be here for more than this year. I really like it."



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Nomar Garciaparra
Red Sox
Marlins Jul. 5 - If the Red Sox decide to trade Garciaparra, the Marlins would be a possible taker, reports the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. Sources told the paper that the Marlins are weighing the pros and cons of renting the former all-star shortstop for the rest of the season. The most likely trade bait for Florida would be shortstop Alex Gonzalez, or perhaps Hee Seop Choi if Nomar agreed to give first base a try. However, the Red Sox would more than likely want starting pitching (Brad Penny or Carl Pavano) in exchange for Nomar.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

John Olerud
Mariners
Red Sox? Jul. 5 - The Seattle Post-Intellingencer is reporting that Olerud declined to waive his no-trade clause after being approached by the Mariners about a trade. The Red Sox are believed to have interest in Olerud, but were not the team that contacted Seattle GM Bill Bavasi about a possible deal.
"For me to accept, it would have to be a situation where it was good for my family," Olerud told the paper. "If we were going to a place where he could go on the field to shag balls or where he could fly on the plane for road trips, that would be something I would consider."



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Danny Bautista
Diamondbacks
Rangers Jul. 2 - The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports the Rangers have had discussions with the Diamondbacks about acquiring Bautista, who is hitting .316 with 10 home runs and 48 RBI, to boslter their offense as they try to hold off Oakland and Anaheim in the AL West.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Magglio Ordoņez
White Sox
Braves?
Cubs? Jul. 2 - The Chicago Tribune suggests that if the White Sox don't trade Ordoņez in the next two months, he's likely to become a free agent and could sign with the Cubs. The team reportedly discussed the right fielder in recent trade talks with Atlanta.
According to the Tribune, Ordoņez prefers to remain in Chicago, but the White Sox have all but ceased negotiations on a new contract and have said no one on the team is untouchable. However, White Sox GM Ken Williams told the Chicago Sun-Times last week "the door is not closed (on negotiations). It's not closed on our part, it's not closed on his part. Print it."

Nevertheless, if he doesn't re-sign and isn't traded, the Tribune suggests the Cubs could decline their option on Moises Alou and use the money to make a free-agent offer to Ordoņez.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Ramon Ortiz
Angels
Mets
Orioles?
White Sox? Jul. 1 - Angels official reiterated their stance to not give away Ortiz without getting value in return, with manager Mike Scioscia telling the Orange County Register, "We can turn this thing inside and out as much as you want. We know he wants to start, but we also know when we give Ramon the ball he's going to go after hitters with everything he has and that's what's important."
Ortiz has asked to be traded after being relegated to the bullpen for the second time this season, and the New York Mets have expressed interest. However, the Mets also have indicated they don't play to give up much to get him, which makes it unlikely Anaheim will make a deal.

Angels GM Bill Stoneman told the L.A. Times earlier this week he had discussed Ortiz with the Orioles and White Sox, who reportedly offered left-handed reliever Buddy Groom and infielder Jose Valentin, respectively. "The only way we would do a deal is if it helped our club," Stoneman told the paper. "This is a guy who can help our club, whether it's in the bullpen or whether it's starting."



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Ben Sheets
Brewers
Brewers
Red Sox?
Yankees? Jul. 1 - Brewers GM Doug Melvin told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel he has been fielding calls from reporters in Boston and New York asking if the team would trade Sheets to a contender, and the answer is an emphatic, "No."
"I wouldn't trade Ben Sheets," Melvin told the paper. "He's part of what we're trying to do. There's no way I'd (trade him)."



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Kenny Lofton
Yankees
Rockies? Jun. 30 - The Yankees would like to move Lofton, who hasn't fit into their outfield rotation after signing a two-year contract in the offseason. Newsday reports the team recently discussed trading Lofton to the Rockies for Preston Wilson, who will make about $12 million next year to Lofton's $3.1 million.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Preston Wilson
Rockies
Yankees? Jun. 30 - The Yanees reportedly have inquired about Wison's availability, offering the less-expensive Kenny Lofton in return. The right-handed hitting Wilson will make around $12 million next season, the final year of his deal, compared to Lofton's $3.1 million for next season. Wilson has spent much of this season on the disabled list after undergoing knee surgery April 19.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Frank Catalanatto
Blue Jays
Red Sox?
Cardinals? Jun. 30 - Though he's currently on the disabled list with a hamstring injury, Catalanatto continues to come in trade talks. ESPN's Peter Gammons suggests the Red Sox could have interest in the left-handed hitter, and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports other trade rumors have linked Catalanatto to the Cardinals.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jamie Moyer
Mariners
Yankees?
Red Sox? Jun. 29 - Mariners GM Bill Bavasi told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that Moyer is one of three players on the roster he considers untouchable (Edgar Martinez and Dan Wilson are the others). "I have no intention to try and move Jamie," Bavasi told the paper. "There are a few (veteran) guys you want to have around. And if Freddy (Garcia) is gone, then we need to have Jamie there as a bellwether guy."
Boston and New York reportedly were interested in acquiring the veteran left-hander, and there already was speculation whether he would waive his right to veto the deal as a 10-and-5 player.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jeromy Burnitz
Rockies
Rangers Jun. 29 - The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports the Rockies are dangling Burnitz at the Rangers, but the paper indicates Texas so far is reluctant to make a big deal. Colorado also might be reluctant to part with Burnitz, who is making just $1.5 million this season and is hitting .275 with 16 homers and 48 RBI, without a sweet return.
Complicating matters if the Rockies do decide to move Burnitz is that he reportedly wants to finish his career near his home in San Diego, and the Denver Post has indicated he will retire before playing for a team in the East.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jose Mesa
Pirates
Indians? Jun. 29 - Indians GM Mark Shapiro told the Cleveland Plain Dealer, "If I thought he could help us, I wouldn't hesitate," to trade for the team's former closer, who has 17 saves (and zero blown saves) and a 2.32 ERA in 32 appearances for the Pirates this season.
Of course, Cleveland would have to get over Mesa's failure in the 1997 World Series and his running fued with shortstop Omar Vizquel. The Indians also would have to be willing to surrender something to Pittsburgh in exchange for a short-term rental on a 38-year-old closer.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Mark Sweeney
Rockies
Padres Jun. 29 - Padres GM Kevin Towers told the San Diego Union-Tribune he doesn't plan to pursue any big names in mid-season trades, but he wouldn't mind acquiring someone to bolster the team's bench. The paper mentioned the left-handed hitting Sweeney, who played for the Padres in 1998 and is batting .278 in 108 at-bats for the Rockies.
"If I could give (manager Bruce Bochy) a couple more weapons on the bench ? that would be one area I'm a little concerned with right now," Towers told the paper.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Brandon Inge
Tigers
Mariners? Jun. 29 - Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski told the Detroit Free-Press the team doesn't have any desire to trade Inge. A report out of Seattle indicated the Mariners had offered to trade pitcher Gil Meche for Inge but were rejected. "A lot of clubs have expressed interest in Brandon throughout the year," Dombrowski told the Free-Press.


WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jason Jennings
Rockies
Red Sox
Padres
Yankees Jun. 29 - Though a number of teams have inquired about dealing for Jennings, Rockies GM Dan O'Dowd told the Denver Post, "We are not going to trade Jason Jennings. None of our young pitchers are available."
The Red Sox, Padres and perhaps the Yankees have contacted Colorado about Jennings in recent weeks. Jennings has gone 5-3 with a 4.25 ERA in his past 10 starts. He posted 16 victories and was rookie of the year in 2002, but has struggled since.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Eric Karros
A's
Marlins? Jun. 28 - According to the Miami Herald, the A's contacted the Marlins to gauge their interest in acquiring the veteran Karros. The Marlins, however, did not express interest in acquiring the first baseman. A's GM Billy Beane told the San Francisco Chronicle earlier this month he understands Karros' frustration at splitting time with Erubiel Durazo and Scott Hatteberg. "The need for Eric and his contribution is going to be there," Beane said. "If he's frustrated now, it's understandable."
Three weeks later, though, it's possible Beane is shopping Karros in search of third-base help in the absence of Eric Chavez.



WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

Jacque Jones
Twins
? Jun. 25 - With a surplus of capable outfielders on the roster and Jason Kubel waiting at Triple-A Rochester, the Twins might sacrifice Jacque Jones for pitching, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports. When asked if he had any potential deals working, GM Terry Ryan told the newspaper, "None of your business." Jones will make $4.35M this season and is eligible for salary arbitration for 2005.

"WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY" would never get past my spam filter. :)

:lol: I was too lazy to pull it out.

Originally posted by Bushdog
Randy Johnson
Diamondbacks
Yankees
Red Sox
Angels?
Dodgers?
Cubs? Jul. 9 - The New York Daily News reports Johnson Has let the Diamondbacks know he'd be willing to waive his no-trade clause in order to pitch for a contender, and he reportedly prefers the Yankees. Meanwhile, reports continue to circulate that Johnson also might be willing to accept a trade to Boston, although Red Sox GM Theo Epstein told the Boston Globe recently, "There's nothing going on with Randy Johnson, zero." Epstein told the Boston Globe.
The L.A. Times, meanwhile, reports the Angels "are closely monitoring" the Big Unit's situation and "are expected to pursue Johnson vigorously if he goes on the market." The Dodgers and Cubs also have been mentioned as possible suitors.

This is all flat out lies. Johnson has not spoken to the D-backs at all about waiving his no trade clause.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
This is all flat out lies. Johnson has not spoken to the D-backs at all about waiving his no trade clause. :lol:

Originally posted by LurkerDan
:lol:

And you laugh because?

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
This is all flat out lies. Johnson has not spoken to the D-backs at all about waiving his no trade clause.

http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0429/2165787.jpg

;)

6/5 :lol:

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
And you laugh because?

Because unless you are friends with him you are just talking out of your ass like everyone else.

Originally posted by Quake1028
Because unless you are friends with him you are just talking out of your ass like everyone else.

Oh really? So we automatically give credence to the NY media when they print this kind of shit? Of course not. I'd say being in the actual city where he is, and hearing about it from more credible sources than NY newspapers that he's not going anywhere, certain doesn't make it out as though I'm talking out my ass.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0429/2165787.jpg

;)

:lol:

You are lucky we are friends, jerkoff. :)

WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

El Scorcho
Yankees?
Jul. 9 - ESPN.com's Jayson Stark indicates the Yankees could go after free agent El Scorcho. "Owning the Yankees is like owning the Mona Lisa, a player of his stature just makes me smile." Steinbrenner said Friday during a post game interview. Its unaware what the Yankees owner intentions are. ESPN's Peter Gammons compares Schorcho to "owning the Dogs Playing Poker."

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Oh really? So we automatically give credence to the NY media when they print this kind of shit? Of course not. I'd say being in the actual city where he is, and hearing about it from more credible sources than NY newspapers that he's not going anywhere, certain doesn't make it out as though I'm talking out my ass.

I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but you are awfully convinced for someone who has nothing to do with the organization at all.

The Phillies are in big, BIG trouble.

Wolfie's been hurt, Padilla's been hurt, Millwood and Myers have been sucking hard...even Milton has been knocked around quite a bit. This staff was supposed to be one of the best in the NL and it's been awful. Paul Abbott as a stopgap? Uggghh.

If they can get Morris, even though he's struggled, maybe that's something positive. Hell, I think even Derek Lowe could be productive again by getting out of Boston. The media are all over him and I think it's really affecting his mental approach to the game right now.

I'd hate to see them (the Phils) be forced to rush a guy like Gavin Floyd out of desperation, though.

yea
obviously the home team bias is more credible than the away team bias ;)

If it doesn't involve a good pitcher or a 2nd baseman, the Yankees aren't interested.

WHO'S INTERESTED THE FAT
Sidney Ponson
Co Ed Softball?
High School Varsity Team?
Tee Ball League?

Could be one of the biggest busts next to Albert Belle for the Orioles. I knew we should've gotten Vlad!

Originally posted by Quake1028
I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but you are awfully convinced for someone who has nothing to do with the organization at all.

Just as you are awfully convinced he will be traded. What is your link with any MLB organization?

Thom Brenneman has been talking about this supposed trade issue on nearly every D-backs telecast. He continues to state that not once has Randy ever asked for a trade. I have much more inclination to believe him than some sports beat writer.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Just as you are awfully convinced he will be traded. What is your link with any MLB organization?

Thom Brenneman has been talking about this supposed trade issue on nearly every D-backs telecast. He continues to state that not once has Randy ever asked for a trade. I have much more inclination to believe him than some sports beat writer.

Where did I ever say he was going to be traded? That's right, I didn't.

The only advantage of trading RJ would be to get other players and dump some salary, but whats the point in that if they aren't in the playoff hunt. Then next season AZ has no ace, lower attendance etc.

Originally posted by Luddy
The only advantage of trading RJ would be to get other players and dump some salary, but whats the point in that if they aren't in the playoff hunt. Then next season AZ has no ace, lower attendance etc.

Exactly. It would be a huge financial blow for the team. Sure, they'd dump salary, but it would be offset by the huge decrease in attendance.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
I remember watching a Los Angeles Lakers game and the announcer (Chick Hearn) said that Mark Madsen was good. Yeah we should all believe the announcers.

And you are?

Originally posted by Quake1028
Where did I ever say he was going to be traded? That's right, I didn't.

And your point is?

:lol:

Must say, this thread is a bit more entertaining than the usual ones.
:up:




On topic: Are the Bucs still looking to move Mesa?


The only news I have from the home team, is that the Indians will likely look to move Lawton if they fall more than 5 or 6 games out in the next few weeks. Not much else of tradeable value here, at least value the Indians would be willing to trade. Oh, almost forget, Vizquel is likely gone this season as well. He has basically approved a trade to most teams, including the D-Backs, Cubs, and Mariners. Not saying they all need, or want, him, but they seem to be at the top of his list.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
Midnight Vulture.

Right. We got that. Tell us who you really are.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
Right.

My point was that your argument was as weak as your team is bad.

You call some reports "flat out lies" and to back up your argument you're saying that you heard some different stories from the team announcer. Yeah. Team announcers know everything.

Wow. You really know how to create a warm welcome for yourself. We all know you are a former banned member. Just exactly who remains to be seen.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
Nice way to defend yourself and your point/argument!

What is there to defend? You are obviously right. There's no point in arguing.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
Thanks.

You're welcome. You are obviously much more in the know than all of us. We should bow to your superior intelligence.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
And my superior intelligence says:

Don't believe everything the team announcers say.

It's not just what he's saying. It is other's within the organization as well. But you only focused upon that one part of what I said. I was simply pointing out that someone closely associated with the team is being very verbal about it.

Hey, quit hijacking my thread with your near-flame wars!

I want to hear actual trade rumors, OK? They don't have to be total locks reported by MLB or ESPN, but I think that nonsense trade talks probably fall in the category of threadcrapping...

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
Who?
You have a link?

It's pretty hard to link radio/television interviews with both Jerry Colangelo and Joe Garagiola Jr. talking about it. Both have said, on multiple occasions, they have no intention of trading Randy.

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
Ah ok. So Colangelo, Garagiola and that team announcer all said that Johnson isn't gonna be traded? Cool.

Mark Grace also said it too. Oh, and I think Joe Garagiola Sr. might have also said something about it. Come to think of it, Luis Gonzalez was talking about it on his weekly radio show as well.

Do the Yankees still have a "no facial hair" policy?

Originally posted by chrisih8u
Do the Yankees still have a "no facial hair" policy?

Sheffield has a goatee, doesn't he?

And we all know Jeter doesn't have facial hair, but has a beard! Zing!

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
All very credible sources.

Oh, and I think the radio guys were talking a about it too. The new manager Al Pedrique has addressed it, but I couldn't really understand him and his accent. One of the hot dog vendors that's been there since BOB opened also told me he wouldn't be traded.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Sheffield has a goatee, doesn't he?

And we all know Jeter doesn't have facial hair, but has a beard! Zing!


:lol:


I dont know. I thought I remembered Giambi having to shave when he went to NY. But I thought they might have gotten rid of it. I was curious and didnt know where else to ask. :lol:

Originally posted by MidnightVulture
You've convinced me. Randy Johnson is going nowhere!

I also heard some janitors talking about it. They said he wasn't going to be traded. I value their opinion.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Just as you are awfully convinced he will be traded. What is your link with any MLB organization?

This is what I was replying to. You are like talking to a brick wall sometimes.

MidnightVulture is now a "guest"? Whats that mean?

Probably just verifing if he is a RBM or not.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Wow. You really know how to create a warm welcome for yourself. We all know you are a former banned member. Just exactly who remains to be seen.

Wow. I'm prophetic!

Originally posted by Quake1028
This is what I was replying to. You are like talking to a brick wall sometimes.

You question my comments and their validity. I don't have the right to do the same to you? -ohbfrank-

The Houston Astros Thread is gone, too. The best explanation i came up with about guest was

This means a person is not able to post any longer under that username but is not suspended or banned, merely "unregistered".

Thats wierd.

I swear to David Ortiz that it wasn't me.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
I swear to David Ortiz that it wasn't me.


So this guy shows up and you are convienantly nowhere around, then he becomes a "guest" and you suspicously show up??


Although he did say he doesnt follow the Sox, so I dont know what to believe. :confused: But based on his Yankee comments, he deserves amnesty.

Trust me. If I decided to terrorize the board as an obnoxious Astro-superfan, I wouldn't be giving it away by bad-mouthing Jimy Williams. I'd like to believe I'd be smarter than that.

By the way, good idea on the rumors thread, Juris. :up: The period between the AS break and the 31st is always one of the best parts of the season.

:lol:

This thread seems alot shorter now. It also looks like I'm arguing with some figment of my imagination.

:lol:

We're all a little worried about you, Def.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Wow. I'm prophetic!

Damn, I missed something....who was banned?

On topic...how close are the Red Sox trading Nomar? I believe at this point he may have to go...but I am not on the team...just going by reports...he may have worn out his welcome there.

Originally posted by Flashback
Damn, I missed something....who was banned?

On topic...how close are the Red Sox trading Nomar? I believe at this point he may have to go...but I am not on the team...just going by reports...he may have worn out his welcome there.

I really doubt he will be traded. Number 1, he will be very valuable to the club during this playoff chase. Number 2, the Sox might possibly trade him for a good starting pitcher, but a good team with a good starting pitcher wouldnt want Nomar because they would need pitching for the playoff hunt. And a bad team with a good pitcher wouldnt want him because he makes a lot of money and is a FA at the end of the year. So it would be tough to find a good deal for Nomar.

Originally posted by Flashback
Damn, I missed something....who was banned?

A new member named Midnight Vulture.

If they could work a 3 team deal, it would be the only way that he goes. And I'm not sure that you want to deal him when he's blazing hot with the bat.

IMO, Theo should start talks on an extention now. If he insists that he wants to test the free agency waters, then the club can make a decision soon. Otherwise, keep him, and if talks go nowhere, offer him arbitration. Then if he declines, at least there will be compensatory draft picks. My only fear is that one year of Nomar may cost more than the club wants to spend (given comments about a smaller payroll with Varitek and Pedro also in their walk years), and they may forgo arbitration and just let him walk for nothing. That'd be a shame, and it would be eerily reminiscent of the Fisks, Boggs, Clemens, and Vaughns in the Sox history.

The Red Sox are between in a rock and a hard place w/ Nomar. They can still get back in the race, so they need Nomar. However, he doesn't seem to interested in staying, so he may be gone for free agency with out any compensation at the end of the year. I'd try to trade his ass and get some pitching. The Red Sox showed they could do OK without him when he was injured.

My fantasy baseball hod a note by Zito saying there were rumors of him being traded to the Orioles for a 2nd baseman and relief pitcher.

Originally posted by Luddy
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY

El Scorcho
Yankees?
Jul. 9 - ESPN.com's Jayson Stark indicates the Yankees could go after free agent El Scorcho. "Owning the Yankees is like owning the Mona Lisa, a player of his stature just makes me smile." Steinbrenner said Friday during a post game interview. Its unaware what the Yankees owner intentions are. ESPN's Peter Gammons compares Schorcho to "owning the Dogs Playing Poker."

I just utilized the no-trade clause of my contract, choosing to stick to my softball team instead of watching my cornhole in the Yankee clubhouse all year.

Nomar will do more harm to the Sox than help. Right now he's the equivalent of a clubhouse cancer that will only grow as the season tires on. HIs heart isn't into playing for the Sox and probably won't be all season.

Part of the reason the Sox almost made it to the WS last year was the clubhouse commraderie (sp). They don't seem to have it as much this year.

I'd trade Normar to another team looking for some pop, for an SP or heck, even a top minor leaguer. The Sox have enough to compete without Nomar and what is he at this point, the 4th best SS in the AL? He might be 4th in the AL East behind Tejada, Jeter and Lugo.

Originally posted by DaveNinja
My fantasy baseball hod a note by Zito saying there were rumors of him being traded to the Orioles for a 2nd baseman and relief pitcher.

Umm...the Dodgers will take him for Cora and Paul Shuey.

Originally posted by DaveNinja
My fantasy baseball hod a note by Zito saying there were rumors of him being traded to the Orioles for a 2nd baseman and relief pitcher.

I'll take a chance and announce that the Mets would give up Stanton and Wiggington for Zito.

Originally posted by DaveNinja
My fantasy baseball hod a note by Zito saying there were rumors of him being traded to the Orioles for a 2nd baseman and relief pitcher. :hump:

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
This is all flat out lies. Johnson has not spoken to the D-backs at all about waiving his no trade clause. But he did just say that he'd be willing to accept a trade: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar04/news/story?id=1838530

rotfl rotfl

Originally posted by LurkerDan
But he did just say that he'd be willing to accept a trade: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar04/news/story?id=1838530

rotfl rotfl

Deftones didn't say that he wasn't open to it, just that he hadn't talked to the D-backs about waiving his no trade clause, which the article again reconfirms as he says he hasn't been approached by them asking him to waive it (and he didnt' say anything about going to them either).

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Deftones didn't say that he wasn't open to it, just that he hadn't talked to the D-backs about waiving his no trade clause, which the article again reconfirms as he says he hasn't been approached by them asking him to waive it (and he didnt' say anything about going to them either). Whatever. -ohbfrank- Perhaps you can read that I said "but he just said he was open to it."

I'm not trying to say Deftones' info was incorrect, just enjoying the humor of the situation.

Originally posted by LurkerDan
Whatever. -ohbfrank- Perhaps you can read that I said "but he just said he was open to it."

I'm not trying to say Deftones' info was incorrect, just enjoying the humor of the situation.

No need for the smiley. I was just trying to diffuse the situation before Deftone's jumped on it. He seems testy on the subject. :D

Originally posted by Bushdog
and what is he at this point, the 4th best SS in the AL? He might be 4th in the AL East behind Tejada, Jeter and Lugo.

:lol: I assume you're just talking about fielding, and even then, 1 month is no measuring stick.

You trade Nomar for the right deal. You don't trade him because you have to.

Clubhouse cancer?? Geez, I havent heard anything about Nomar being a disruption or anything to that affect. He's playing great now and I dont think you deal him unless you can get a really good SP, which wont happen.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
Clubhouse cancer?? Geez, I havent heard anything about Nomar being a disruption or anything to that affect. He's playing great now and I dont think you deal him unless you can get a really good SP, which wont happen.

I don't know, chris. He's no Julio Lugo.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
I don't know, chris. He's no Julio Lugo.

:lol:

Is this the first time ever that Julio Lugo has been mentioned on DVDTalk?

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Nomar will do more harm to the Sox than help. Right now he's the equivalent of a clubhouse cancer that will only grow as the season tires on. HIs heart isn't into playing for the Sox and probably won't be all season.

Part of the reason the Sox almost made it to the WS last year was the clubhouse commraderie (sp). They don't seem to have it as much this year.

Not that I know one way or the other, but it unless you're in that clubhouse, you have no idea of what effect he is having on it, or whether his "heart" is into it.

It's the same irrelevant speculation that Ramirez goes through. Last year, he was the "cancer" that didn't care about winning at all. Now that he's got the best offensive stats in the league, he's "having a blast just going out there and playing."

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Is this the first time ever that Julio Lugo has been mentioned on DVDTalk?

Looks like he was mentioned before. By me. :(

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=317135

Originally posted by jmaxlow
Not that I know one way or the other, but it unless you're in that clubhouse, you have no idea of what effect he is having on it, or whether his "heart" is into it.

It's the same irrelevant speculation that Ramirez goes through. Last year, he was the "cancer" that didn't care about winning at all. Now that he's got the best offensive stats in the league, he's "having a blast just going out there and playing."



Last year, Manny was a "cancer" because he wouldnt talk to the media. This year he gives interviews and the media thinks he is completely different, even though he's the same as any other year. Nomar doesnt talk to the press, so they trash him.


Nomar has played here for 8 years and hasnt been out of line once. I dont believe he's in the clubhouse being disruptive.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Looks like he was mentioned before. By me. :(

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=317135

Darkelf also mentioned him.


http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=357583&perpage=25&highlight=lugo&pagenumber=9

MD and Darkelf (RIP) are secret Lugo fans.

Originally posted by LurkerDan
But he did just say that he'd be willing to accept a trade: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar04/news/story?id=1838530

rotfl rotfl

What the ****. Are you dense?

I simply pointed out that

a) he hadn't said anything about wanting to waive his no trade clause up to the point we were last discussing it

b) the D-backs hadn't approached him about up until that point.

Go back and reread every post of mine about the subject. You'll clearly see that I pointed out both of those factors above.

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Deftones didn't say that he wasn't open to it, just that he hadn't talked to the D-backs about waiving his no trade clause, which the article again reconfirms as he says he hasn't been approached by them asking him to waive it (and he didnt' say anything about going to them either).

Wow. I'm glad other people around here pay attention to what I say. You have the situation nailed on the head exactly.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
:lol: I assume you're just talking about fielding, and even then, 1 month is no measuring stick.

You trade Nomar for the right deal. You don't trade him because you have to. No, I'm talking about this season's stats and upside. If I were building a team and also had to take contracts into account I'd be all over Lugo as value for the money.

Originally posted by Bushdog
No, I'm talking about this season's stats and upside. If I were building a team and also had to take contracts into account I'd be all over Lugo as value for the money.


And what if you didnt have to take contracts into account? He may be good value for the money, buy Lugo is not better than Nomar.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
What the ****. Are you dense?

I simply pointed out that

a) he hadn't said anything about wanting to waive his no trade clause up to the point we were last discussing it

b) the D-backs hadn't approached him about up until that point.

Go back and reread every post of mine about the subject. You'll clearly see that I pointed out both of those factors above.

You sure get worked up over the stupidest things.

Back to the topic, I'm curious as to who my favorite team, the Pirates, will unload.

Jack Wilson?
Craig Wilson?
Mesa?
Kendall?

It'll be another revolving door I'm sure.

Originally posted by Bushdog
No, I'm talking about this season's stats and upside. If I were building a team and also had to take contracts into account I'd be all over Lugo as value for the money.

This season's stats? How did Jeter do in is first month? He was tearing it up, right? Earning the hell out of that $17M, if I remember correctly. I'd say Nomar is doing damn well by comparison. And I'd like to meet the GM who'd put Lugo in that category and mean it.

If we're talking about a true frontline starter, you consider it. No one is going to be giving one of those up. If we're talking about a Kris Benson, no, you don't make the trade.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
And what if you didnt have to take contracts into account? He may be good value for the money, buy Lugo is not better than Nomar. No, but he's also healthier so far.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
This season's stats? How did Jeter do in is first month? He was tearing it up, right? Earning the hell out of that $17M, if I remember correctly. I'd say Nomar is doing damn well by comparison. And I'd like to meet the GM who'd put Lugo in that category and mean it.

If we're talking about a true frontline starter, you consider it. No one is going to be giving one of those up. If we're talking about a Kris Benson, no, you don't make the trade. Where did I say they should dump him for no one?

Also, Jeter is more than his bad start. His season stats are pretty solid overall. I know he's had more of a positive impact on his team in 2004 than Nomar has.

Originally posted by Tarantino
You sure get worked up over the stupidest things.

No. Other people do. I point out their flaws.

Originally posted by Bushdog
Where did I say they should dump him for no one?

Also, Jeter is more than his bad start. His season stats are pretty solid overall. I know he's had more of a positive impact on his team in 2004 than Nomar has.

Well, you said an SP or a top minor leaguer. Randy Johnson isn't representative of the available starters. Kris Benson and Jamie Moyer are. And I wouldn't deal a disgruntled Nomar for a 4.50-5.00 ERA starter.

The point I was making is that you are classifying Nomar as the 4th best SS in the AL East based on 28 games, vs. everyone else's 75-80. We know Jeter is better than his April, just as you know that Nomar is better than his first 20 games.

Originally posted by Bushdog
No, but he's also healthier so far.


Healthiness has nothing to do with it. Nomar is healthy now. You said he was probably the 4th best SS in the AL East, behind Lugo. Lugo is not better than Nomar.

AL East Shortstops I'd take in order:

1. A-Rod (yes I still consider him a shortstop)
2. Tejada
3. Nomar
4. Jeter

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
I don't know, chris. He's no Julio Lugo.

You GMs here are aware that Julio Lugo has a OPS this year of only .778 with only 6 home runs, right? He's got a career OPS of .778, a career BA of .286, hits an average of 10 home runs a season and averages about 45 RBIs.

Ramon backwards has a career OPS of .924 and this year so far he's got a OPS of .889. He averages about 100 RBI, 100 runs, and 25 HRs a season.

Originally posted by Aphex Twin
You GMs here are aware that Julio Lugo has a OPS this year of only .778 with only 6 home runs, right? He's got a career OPS of .778, a career BA of .286, hits an average of 10 home runs a season and averages about 45 RBIs.

Ramon backwards has a career OPS of .924 and this year so far he's got a OPS of .889. He averages about 100 RBI, 100 runs, and 25 HRs a season.

Yeah. It was tongue in cheek.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
AL East Shortstops I'd take in order:

1. A-Rod (yes I still consider him a shortstop)
2. Tejada
3. Nomar
4. Jeter


Hmmm. If I agree with this list, I will open myself up to more A-Rod jokes. So I will just point out that you forgot all about Julio Lugo.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Yeah. It was tongue in cheek.

Sorry, didn't really direct that at you specifically.

Originally posted by Bushdog
The Sox have enough to compete without Nomar and what is he at this point, the 4th best SS in the AL? He might be 4th in the AL East behind Tejada, Jeter and Lugo.

...Or Muffdog...it was just a general stat pointing-out.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
Hmmm. If I agree with this list, I will open myself up for more A-Rod.

-eek-

Originally posted by chrisih8u
Hmmm. If I agree with this list, I will open myself up to more A-Rod jokes. So I will just point out that you forgot all about Julio Lugo.

I was hoping it was implied that Lugo is in his own pantheon and thus is excluded from a list of scrubs like the 4 I listed.

According to the Cubs Board Dan Patrick reported on ESPN radio that the Cubs were in talks to send a couple of minor league pitchers to the Red Sox for Nomar. (Sound unlikely to me, but some people were saying how they could flip them to Arizona for Johnson).

There's also talks that the Cubs are looking to trade Alex Gonzalez for Orlando Cabrera of the Expos.

The Nomar talks have quieted down around here. I still doubt he will be traded. I think to get Johnson, the Sox would have to give up some prospects as well as ML ready talent.

I think the Red Sox plan is to convince Randy to come to Boston in exchange for his children being released from Curt Schilling's dungeon.



http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/archives/CS_7.12.jpg

Originally posted by Brian Gentz
According to the Cubs Board Dan Patrick reported on ESPN radio that the Cubs were in talks to send a couple of minor league pitchers to the Red Sox for Nomar. (Sound unlikely to me, but some people were saying how they could flip them to Arizona for Johnson).

There's also talks that the Cubs are looking to trade Alex Gonzalez for Orlando Cabrera of the Expos.

I have heard the Cabrera one a few times now. Never heard about Nomar, which I do not think would happen but imagine the hitting in that lineup.

Ramirez
Nomar
Sosa
Lee
Alou
Barrett
Grudz/Walker

Not in any order but wow.

I have heard that Schilling and Johnson had a rocky relationship while they were both in Arizona....


it was never released much in the public but they werent the best of friends

Originally posted by raven56706
I have heard that Schilling and Johnson had a rocky relationship while they were both in Arizona....


it was never released much in the public but they werent the best of friends

Not sure about then, but from the previous ESPN article:

Former Diamondbacks teammate Curt Schilling, Johnson's World Series co-MVP, wouldn't say whether he's lobbying Johnson to go to Boston. Schilling talks frequently with Johnson and their families planned to spend time together in Houston.

Originally posted by raven56706
I have heard that Schilling and Johnson had a rocky relationship while they were both in Arizona....


it was never released much in the public but they werent the best of friends

I've heard that too from some people, but it wasn't ever really publicized. Maybe they patched up their differences.

i say..... what the boss wants... he gets..... i 99.9% believe he is going to the Yankees.

Originally posted by raven56706
i say..... what the boss wants... he gets..... i 99.9% believe he is going to the Yankees.

I don't think so. RJ isn't a huge fan of the media. There's only a select few guys here in Phoenix that he deals with on a regular basis. Can you imagine if he had to play in NY. -eek-

no one wants Lugo because hes a woman beater

I'll guess that the Yankees will have a better chance than the Red Sox, but I think everyone needs to get out of that Boston/NY vacuum for a second. The facts are that neither NY nor Boston have the kinds of prospects neccessary to get RJ. Anaheim has quality prospects who can fill spots open from AZ's trade for Sexson right now, for example.

The days of saying "Steinbrenner wants it, so there" in regards to deadline deals are quickly going away. They don't have the farm system that they used to. Sure, he can get just about any free agent out there, but he has to have something of value, real value, to deal AZ for Johnson. An AA or AAA catcher and pitcher aren't going to cut it. Is NY ready to deal an active roster player whose name isn't Kenny Lofton or Miguel Cairo in order to get the prospects they need for a trade with AZ?

I'm not saying that they won't pull it off, but the slam-dunk mentality is misplaced here. And given Steinbrenner's dealings with Colangelo in the past, I'm guessing that the package the Yankees would have to put together would have to be a jaw-dropper. Remember, RJ is not an impending FA here. He doesn't have to be traded. So why would AZ want the crap that NY or Boston have sitting in the minors for a difference maker like Johnson?

Edit: By the way, the boss wanted Freddy Garcia and the Yankees made a play for Carlos Beltran. He didn't get them.

Looks like Frank Thomas could be done for the year. I wonder if the White Sox will deal for a bat.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
So why would AZ want the crap that NY or Boston have sitting in the minors for a difference maker like Johnson?


I can think of about 24 million reasons why. I know that the Cardinals are interested in RJ. But there are at least 24 million reasons why that won't happen. Who besides NY and Boston are willing and able to pay for the rest of his contract?

Originally posted by AndyCapps
I can think of about 24 million reasons why. I know that the Cardinals are interested in RJ. But there are at least 24 million reasons why that won't happen. Who besides NY and Boston are willing and able to pay for the rest of his contract?

Anaheim, for one. But to pay him, you have to get him. Not to rile Deftones up, but the D-Backs' last major trade is about to go down as one of the worst deals in history. If they give Randy up for this prospect cather and pitcher from NY, the money that they will lose over the next 2 years will be massive. If they'd like to clear some salary, a Finley deal makes more sense than Randy for a couple of question marks that will be ready for action in 2 years.

Anaheim has the money and the major league-ready prospects, and Moreno has never screwed over Colangelo. NY has one of those three things going for it.

According to the LA Times, the Dbacks want prospects Dallas McPherson, Casey Kotchman, and Jeff Mathis from Anaheim. I didnt see the article because you have to register and its a giant pain in the ass.


I think its safe to say that if the Red Sox traded Nomar, its because they have a deal with Johnson. I really dont expect them to give up Nomar unless its to get Randy.

Mad...you are looking at this as a 2 team deal. The Yankees or Sox can easily trade a player to another team for prospects and foward that on to AZ and still get RJ. It's really not that hard to do.

Will this happen? I have no idea. After reading RJs comments I really believe he would have no problem leaving AZ...but he could just be feeding the press junk.

I do agree that a Finely deal is easier and probably one that is in the works. Time will tell :)

Since there is no MLB thread, I'm just going to say this here. It is being reported by a Houston sportswriter on ESPN radio that Jimy Williams is gone, and it will be official after the break.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Gammons mentioned that McLane wants Don Baylor, who has the Mets hitting their butts off right now. I don't care. I just want ABJ.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Since there is no MLB thread, I'm just going to say this here. It is being reported by a Houston sportswriter on ESPN radio that Jimy Williams is gone, and it will be official after the break.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Gammons mentioned that McLane wants Don Baylor, who has the Mets hitting their butts off right now. I don't care. I just want ABJ.

:up:

I guess that trade with the Braves that involved shooting Jimy in the face fell through.

i think they will deal giambi for johnson

Originally posted by Flashback
Mad...you are looking at this as a 2 team deal. The Yankees or Sox can easily trade a player to another team for prospects and foward that on to AZ and still get RJ. It's really not that hard to do.

Will this happend? I have no idea. After reading RJs comments I really believe he would have no problem leaving AZ...but he could just be feeding the press junk.

As I mentioned in one of my mish-mash posts up there, who is NY willing to part with to get prospects in return? Kenny Lofton? Miguel Cairo? The only possibilty I can imagine is Jose Contreras, who has a fat contract and not a lot of success to show for it. Obviously, the Red Sox would probably have to part with Nomar to get quality prospects.

Again, I'm not saying that the Yankees or the Sox won't get RJ. I'm simply saying that all of the focus is on those two teams and not on more likely destinations. And when discussing Jerry Colangelo, there is no sure thing when it comes to dealing with Steinbrenner.

Originally posted by raven56706
i think they will deal giambi for johnson

Giambi is signed through '08 to a giant contract. If the D-Backs are looking to free up money, why would they want to take on a committment like that? He'll make $11M in '05, then jump to $18M in '06, followed by 2 years at $21M. Then there is a $5M buy-out in '09. That doesn't even count the $17M signing bonus that is being paid over the life of the deal.

Sorry Mad...did not read clearly enough. I would guess Colangello might have some reserve with what happened with Wells, if I remember correctly. I still think it would come down to the NYY or Sox...if RJ goes anywhere at all. Ack!!! Who knows.

Would NY ever give up Posada, Williams...maybe Lieber as well? Not sure where they stand with these guys.

Originally posted by Flashback
Sorry Mad...did not read clearly enough. I would guess Colangello might have some reserve with what happened with Wells, if I remember correctly. I still think it would come down to the NYY or Sox...if RJ goes anywhere at all. Ack!!! Who knows.

Would NY ever give up Posada, Williams...maybe Lieber as well? Not sure where they stand with these guys.

:lol: No, I'm sorry that once I get rolling, I don't organize my thoughts clearly into a post.

The current hot rumor is Nomar to the ChiSox, prospects to AZ, and Johnson to Boston. I don't buy it. I just have a hard time believing, given the difficulty of 3-team deals, that Anaheim isn't the most likely destination.

I won't put it past NY to get a deal done, and given their history, I can understand why you feel that they and the Sox have the upper hand. It's just not the NY of old with their overflowing farm system. Perhaps Contreras is the wild card here. If a team will take his salary, given the need for pitching that is always out there, he might yield some quality players for a deal with AZ.

I hope Johnson doesn't get moved, if it means going to the yankees. I would love to see him in Chicago (white sox) or boston.

There have been some rumors about a possible 3 way deal with Chicago/Boston/Arizona

Nomar to WHite Sox
Randy to Boston
Prospects etc. from white sox to Arizona

I don't see that at all, since I dont' know of any great prospects they have to trade, but I know there was talk about getting nomar earlier in the season, so maybe this could happen.

As a white sox fan not sure I'ld want Nomar, sure he's better then Valentin defensivley, but dont' see him a ton better offensively.. I woudl love to see unit in Boston, since I'm also a red sox fan.

I bet the sox will pick up Everett again, that's what they've been talking about for sometime here. Since he was here last year, stuck in Montreal, would be good fill in for Thomas..

I personally hope the sox don't pick up a bat unless it's somebody like Andruw jones, and that's mainly because I like him at center....

If you can't get a stud hitter, I would much rather have a relief pitcher or starter. With the dh opening simply rotate out guys, and let maggs rest his leg more..

Let's go Red & White sox.

Sorry to repeat the trade with sox, I see Mad Dawg
just beat me in.

I guess the White Sox rumors have at least something to do with a bizarre New York Stock Exchange site.

Heres a link to a Red Sox forum. Half way down the page there is a picture of the site.

http://p086.ezboard.com/fsonsofsamhornbostonredsox.showMessageRange?topicID=13592.topic&start=861&stop=880

This just in: The Yankees have aquired Aetna, who is hovering near the highs of its 5-week trading range, for prosects and cash.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
This just in: The Yankees have aquired Aetna, who is hovering near the highs of its 5-week trading range, for prosects and cash.

-ohbfrank-


And you said the Yankees couldnt put a big package together to get a superstar.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
According to the LA Times, the Dbacks want prospects Dallas McPherson, Casey Kotchman, and Jeff Mathis from Anaheim. I didnt see the article because you have to register and its a giant pain in the ass.

Anaheim wouldn't trade 2 of those guys together in order to get Horny Penis, let alone all 3.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
-ohbfrank-


And you said the Yankees couldnt put a big package together to get a superstar.

Hey, it's not the first time I've been wrong. Just ask my predicted AL Central Champion Kansas City Royals.

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
No need for the smiley. I was just trying to diffuse the situation before Deftone's jumped on it. He seems testy on the subject. :D


Doh!. Guess it didn't work.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
What the ****. Are you dense?

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Hey, it's not the first time I've been wrong. Just ask my predicted AL Central Champion Kansas City Royals.



I picked the Diamondbacks to win their division. Heres everyone elses predictions.


http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356714&perpage=25&highlight=predictions&pagenumber=1

god i should learn to stay out of those prediction threads

I already accidentally make myself look stupid enough as it is. I just go into that thread and compound the issue by intentionally making myself look stupid.

might trade lieber, money, and prospects for johnson

Originally posted by El Scorcho
god i should learn to stay out of those prediction threads

I already accidentally make myself look stupid enough as it is. I just go into that thread and compound the issue by intentionally making myself look stupid.


People just gloss over the times when they see last edited by.... Im just sayin.

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/archives/randy.jpg

:drool:

Their's nothing on whitesoxinteractive.com on the Nomar deal and they almost always have something before a trade.

The White Sox trade doesn't really make sense. They're paying Valentin 5 million ths season plus that will be 2 big bats that they'll lose at the end of the year.

Their's alot of talk about Carl Everett but that's about it.

Originally posted by MrX
Their's nothing on whitesoxinteractive.com on the Nomar deal and they almost always have something before a trade.

The White Sox trade doesn't really make sense. They're paying Valentin 5 million ths season plus that will be 2 big bats that they'll lose at the end of the year.

Their's alot of talk about Carl Everett but that's about it.

It's here:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=36893

But it's all based on some stock exchange chatter. The words "out of proportion" come to mind.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
I picked the Diamondbacks to win their division. Heres everyone elses predictions.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356714&perpage=25&highlight=predictions&pagenumber=1 Neat thread. Cool to see that not a single person picked the Rangers to finish higher than last place. Of course, there's still plenty of time for that :lol:

Originally posted by chrisih8u
I picked the Diamondbacks to win their division. Heres everyone elses predictions.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356714&perpage=25&highlight=predictions&pagenumber=1 Haters. -ohbfrank-

Originally posted by B.A.
Haters. -ohbfrank-

:lol: Hey, just because you drank the Kool-Aid and got lucky so far, don't take it out on us.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Since there is no MLB thread, I'm just going to say this here. It is being reported by a Houston sportswriter on ESPN radio that Jimy Williams is gone, and it will be official after the break.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Gammons mentioned that McLane wants Don Baylor, who has the Mets hitting their butts off right now. I don't care. I just want ABJ.




Peter Gammons is on ESPNews and he mentioned possible replacements. Don Baylor, Phil Garner, and *seriously* Grady Little rotfl rotfl

Originally posted by chrisih8u
Peter Gammons is on ESPNews and he mentioned possible replacements. Don Baylor, Phil Garner, and *seriously* Grady Little rotfl rotfl

*BANG*

*thud*

That last option would be a classic.

Interesting and potentially bad turn for the Mets who have been burning hot with Baylor on board.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
*BANG*

*thud*

Dont worry. If it comes down to it, Roger Clemens wouldnt have any problems with taking himself out of a crucial situation. :

Originally posted by Bushdog
That last option would be a classic.

Interesting and potentially bad turn for the Mets who have been burning hot with Baylor on board.


The Mets could not let Baylor take the job, which is what Gammons said might happen.

I wonder if you prefer a team of underachievers to take over or not. You know that if you could get a few things right, they have much more upside than what they've done.

Originally posted by Bushdog
That last option would be a classic.

Interesting and potentially bad turn for the Mets who have been burning hot with Baylor on board.

The Mets could simply choose not to let him go. I'd imagine Garner gets a long look because of his Houston connection, although this team would almost certainly reject a manager of Phil's nature much as they did Terry Collins. I also imagine myself dangling from a shower rod if the last individual gets a sniff.

How many times do I have to tell you guys, RJ isn't going anywhere. :lol:

And listen to Deftones, because he's Randy Johnson's official information guy.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
How many times do I have to tell you guys, RJ isn't going anywhere. :lol:

Dude, you're gonna eat some serious crow when Unit ends up on the Bosox.


*crosses fingers...

Originally posted by Tarantino
And listen to Deftones, because he's Randy Johnson's official information guy.

And you come into these threads because? I've seen you maybe post once in an MLB thread. Quit trolling.

I come into these threads because I'm a Pirates fan and they've got a lot to offer on the trading block.

I just think your posts are hilarious, that's all.

Originally posted by Tarantino
I just think your posts are hilarious, that's all.

Unfortunately, we can't say the same about your posts.

Originally posted by chrisih8u
The Mets could not let Baylor take the job, which is what Gammons said might happen.

I wonder what would happen with that. Would the Mets ask for compensation? Obviously it wouldn't be a top prospect or anything, but it would be hard to see him go for nothing when he seems to have turned some of the Met hitters around.

Also, I'm not sure if he is fully over his cancer yet or not either.

I personally doubt Don Baylor will get the job. He's certainly qualified though. The Houston Chronicle is speculating that Phil Garner will be hired. Grady Little wasn't mentioned, although he'd be a step up from Jimy Williams. I'm still pissed that Deirker was forced out two years ago. He was the best manager the Astros ever had.

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Unfortunately, we can't say the same about your posts.

See what I mean when I say you get worked up over the stupidest shit?

Although from this thread we can tell you love to 'battle' back and forth, this is my last reply to you in this thread, because arguing with Randy Johnson's personal advisor just isn't worth getting banned over. Seriously though, take a chill pill.

Originally posted by Tarantino
See what I mean when I say you get worked up over the stupidest shit?

Although from this thread we can tell you love to 'battle' back and forth, this is my last reply to you in this thread, because arguing with Randy Johnson's personal advisor just isn't worth getting banned over. Seriously though, take a chill pill.

Last post in this thread deserves :banana:

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
What the ****. Are you dense?

I simply pointed out that

a) he hadn't said anything about wanting to waive his no trade clause up to the point we were last discussing it

b) the D-backs hadn't approached him about up until that point.

Go back and reread every post of mine about the subject. You'll clearly see that I pointed out both of those factors above. Who is dense? Where did I say you were incorrect? :hscratch: In fact, I said you weren't just a couple of posts down: Originally posted by LurkerDan
Perhaps you can read that I said "but he just said he was open to it."

I'm not trying to say Deftones' info was incorrect, just enjoying the humor of the situation. Maybe you should read on before cursing and calling me dense! :lol:

Uh-oh Deftones...;)

From the New York Times (5 Hours ago)

July 14, 2004
Garciaparra and Johnson Linked in Talks
By JACK CURRY

HOUSTON, July 13 - The expected pursuit of Randy Johnson has officially intensified with the Boston Red Sox contemplating a two-part deal in which they would send Nomar Garciaparra to the Chicago Cubs to secure prospects and then use those young players as part of a package to acquire Johnson from the Arizona Diamondbacks.

An American League team executive, who has been briefed on the trade discussions, said the Red Sox were talking with at least one team about using Garciaparra as a chip to help land the 40-year-old Johnson, who is a five-time Cy Young award winner. And that team is the Chicago Cubs, whose farm system is rich in pitching.

Garciaparra is a longtime star in Boston, but last winter the Red Sox were prepared to replace him at shortstop with Alex Rodriguez, who was with the Texas Rangers and is widely considered the best player in baseball. The Red Sox would have sent Manny Ramirez to Texas for Rodriguez, then shipped Garciaparra to the Chicago White Sox for Magglio Ordóņez. But after the Rodriguez-for-Manny Ramirez trade talks famously crumbled, Boston ended up keeping Garciaparra, who was stung by all the maneuvering. Rodriguez, of course, ended up with the Yankees.

Now the Red Sox are trying to outdo the Yankees for another future Hall of Fame player in Johnson and they see the Cubs as a possible conduit for making it happen. If the Red Sox cannot make a deal with the Cubs, they will try the same approach with other teams. The lightly regarded Rey Ordóņez currently plays shortstop for the Cubs because Alex Gonzalez has a broken wrist. The 30-year-old Garciaparra, who missed much of this season with an Achilles' tendon injury and is in the last year of his contract, would be a huge upgrade.

Johnson said on Monday that he would be amenable to waiving his no-trade clause if it benefited the Diamondbacks and if he went to a team with a strong chance of winning a World Series title. He said there is no list of teams, but the Yankees and the Red Sox are definitely interested and the Cubs were thought to be, too, although they may now be turning their attention to Garciaparra.

Whether Johnson would accept a trade to the Red Sox is uncertain. While Johnson and Boston's Curt Schilling combined to lead the Diamondbacks to a championship in 2001, it is believed that Johnson prefers to keep the more effusive Schilling at a distance. Still, Schilling has left several recruiting messages for his former teammate.

"There's a reason why I changed my number," Johnson said. It was not clear if he was joking.

Boston General Manager Theo Epstein declined to comment about Johnson through Peter Chase, a team spokesman. Similarly, Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman said he had no conversations with the Diamondbacks on Tuesday.

Even though Mariano Rivera and Alex Rodriguez vowed to speak to Johnson during the All-Star Game festivities about pitching for the Yankees, Johnson said, "I didn't hear anything from any of those guys, so, again, that would be a rumor."

After Johnson stopped by Mike Piazza's locker before the All-Star Game to shake his hand, Piazza said, "Come to the Mets." Piazza said he made a recruiting pitch by telling Johnson that his wife would love the shopping and that his four children would enjoy the parks and museums in New York. But Johnson denied speaking to Piazza.

"I think he was being playful," Johnson said. "He didn't say anything to me."

Until now, Johnson has spent his long career playing in the relatively sedate surroundings of Montreal, Seattle, Houston and Arizona. How he would react to the more intense atmosphere of Boston or New York is not known, although he did run into difficulty Tuesday while bantering in the clubhouse with several New York-area reporters.

After Johnson checked Lawrence Rocca's press badge and noticed he was from The Star-Ledger of Newark, another reporter teasingly told Johnson to be careful because The Star-Ledger was the newspaper that the mobster Tony Soprano read in "The Sopranos.'' Rocca told Johnson the paper had a good real estate section if he needed to relocate to New Jersey.

"Now I'm not going to go there just because you guys are making a mockery of it," Johnson said, suddenly growing irate. "This is my livelihood."

Johnson told Rocca he was seeing Johnson's "dark side" and ordered him to "walk away." When Rocca did not immediately leave, Johnson told him it would be advisable to leave before he did something he regretted.

Perhaps the incident revealed that Johnson is on edge as he weighs his future. George Steinbrenner, the principal owner of the Yankees, is known to be fascinated with adding Johnson, a marquee pitcher who he sees in the same mold as Roger Clemens. Howard Rubenstein, Steinbrenner's spokesman, said Tuesday that Steinbrenner would not discuss Johnson.

Cashman spoke last week with Joe Garagiola Jr., the Diamondbacks' general manager, and the Diamondbacks said that Johnson was unavailable. The Diamondbacks would presumably include the Yankees in any kind of Johnson sweepstakes, even though New York does not currently have an abundance of minor league prospects.

The Yankees could include the Class AAA catcher Dioner Navarro and the Class AAA second baseman Robinson Cano, their two prime prospects, in a trade proposal. But the Diamondbacks would obviously want much more for their franchise pitcher and would probably wait until they got closer to the July 31 deadline before making a possible deal.

Cashman has told team officials he is confident about devising an enticing enough proposal to obtain Johnson. The Yankees are not interested in unloading José Contreras and absorbing a chunk of the $20 million left on his deal because they would be adding $24 million over the next season and a half if they snared Johnson.

Johnson is 10-7 with a 2.99 earned run average this season and has grown weary with losing with the last-place Diamondbacks. He argued with his teammate Luis Gonzalez after a botched fly ball last week and has been mostly testy with reporters who have asked trade questions.

"I'm not a nice guy," Johnson said. "I'm a mean guy."

No!!! Don't send Nomar to the Cubs!!! That means I would have to root against him and hope bad things happen to his marriage. :mad:





;)

Seriously, that would suck.

I don't even know why the cubs would get nomar..

I don't think he would put them over the top, and no way they can resign him.

Now the White Sox on the other hand ;)

Watch the cubs get nomar, and still miss teh playoffs as I predicted before the season starts.

The Cubs are about to finally have a their entire team healthy. That's about to happen. Why don't they see what they can do before going out and giving up prospects for a shortstop that has a history of bad health?

Originally posted by B.A.
The Cubs are about to finally have a their entire team healthy. That's about to happen. Why don't they see what they can do before going out and giving up prospects for a shortstop that has a history of bad health?

I agree that it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'd say that they are more in need of relief pitching than anything. There is a lot of quality middle relief out there like Ron Villone (who is quietly having a very good season in Seattle), as well as the Urbinas and Mesas that are available for late inning work. They've got a very solid line-up already, and, with that starting pitching staff, how much more pop do they need?

With Frank Thomas possibly facing season-ending surgery, the White Sox should be the team looking for a bat.

Drayton McLane and Gerry Hunsicker are meeting with Jimy this morning. Unfortunately, they declined my request to be there with a bottle of champagne.

Most of the speculation is now that they'll turn to Phil Garner. He lives just north of Houston, has dealings with the team, and is probably ready to go. Unfortunately, the last time the Astros had a fiery manager like Garner, Terry Collins, the veterans ran him out of town, so I'm not sure how they'll take to him.

Notice how all the rumors continue to come out of NY. If something was going to happen, the news would break in AZ first.

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
I agree that it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'd say that they are more in need of relief pitching than anything. There is a lot of quality middle relief out there like Ron Villone (who is quietly having a very good season in Seattle), as well as the Urbinas and Mesas that are available for late inning work. They've got a very solid line-up already, and, with that starting pitching staff, ho