Yesterday on ESPN I heard someone mention "The Larry Bird Rule" and also the mid-level exception. I'm not sure what these are.
Are there simple explanations for these and also are there other "popular" rules like these?
chrisih8u
07-09-04, 07:54 AM
You should be able to find most answers in the official rule book.
Some other misunderstood rules:
The balk rule, the infield fly rule, and the tuck rule. -wink-
Red Dog
07-09-04, 08:52 AM
Most people probably don't understand the NFL salary cap.
chrisih8u
07-09-04, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Red Dog
Most people probably don't understand the NFL salary cap.
Thats certainly me. But I think most people in the NFL are just now starting to fully understand it. -wink-
devilshalo
07-09-04, 09:32 AM
MLB
Saves. I always thought that you had to, in the very least, face the tying run?
Game in question:
5/6/04 - Gagne gets the save but the Dodgers win 9 - 4. :confused:
chrisih8u
07-09-04, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by devilshalo
MLB
Saves. I always thought that you had to, in the very least, face the tying run?
Game in question:
5/6/04 - Gagne gets the save but the Dodgers win 9 - 4. :confused:
He must have come into the game when it was a 3 run or less lead.
Suppose Gagne come into the game in the 8th inning when the score was 5-4 and got them out of the inning. Now if the Dodgers got 4 runs in the 9th and Gagne finished the game, he would get the save because he entered the game when they were winning by 3 runs or less and then finished the game.
Red Dog
07-09-04, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by devilshalo
MLB
Saves. I always thought that you had to, in the very least, face the tying run?
That's probably what it should be. ;)
3 ways to earn a save.
1) Pitch the last 3 full innings and protect the lead.
2) Come in with the tying run on base, at the plate, or on-deck, hold the lead, and finish the game.
3) Pitch the 9th with no more than a 3-run lead, protect that lead, and finish the game.
kantonburg
07-09-04, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by chrisih8u
You should be able to find most answers in the official rule book.
Some other misunderstood rules:
The balk rule, the infield fly rule, and the tuck rule. -wink-
The Larry Bird rule is in the rule book?
Red Dog
07-09-04, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by kantonburg
The Larry Bird rule is in the rule book?
Yeah - Dr. Naismath put it right after the rule that says the peach basket must be 10 feet off the ground. ;)
weargle
07-09-04, 12:18 PM
You'd be amazed what you get when you google Larry Bird rule.
Bushdog
07-09-04, 12:21 PM
work safe?
Jeremy517
07-09-04, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Bushdog
work safe?
The pictures are fine. Racist and obscene words are being used on one of the links.
devilshalo
07-09-04, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by chrisih8u
He must have come into the game when it was a 3 run or less lead.
Suppose Gagne come into the game in the 8th inning when the score was 5-4 and got them out of the inning. Now if the Dodgers got 4 runs in the 9th and Gagne finished the game, he would get the save because he entered the game when they were winning by 3 runs or less and then finished the game.
Well, the game was an away game (@ FLA). In the 8th inning the score was 9 - 4. Looks like, from the <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=240506128">box score</a>, that Gagne pitched to 1 batter. Even if B. Falkenborg loaded the bases, there's no chance to tie for the Marlins unless they would count the guy in the ondeck circle? :confused:
Jeremy517
07-09-04, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by devilshalo
Well, the game was an away game (@ FLA). In the 8th inning the score was 9 - 4. Looks like, from the <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=240506128">box score</a>, that Gagne pitched to 1 batter. Even if B. Falkenborg loaded the bases, there's no chance to tie for the Marlins unless they would count the guy in the ondeck circle? :confused:
Red Dog rule part 2: Come in with the tying run on base, at the plate, <b>or on-deck</b>, hold the lead, and finish the game.
Copenhagen
07-09-04, 12:33 PM
The game log show he came in with the bases loaded which would be a save situation.
Jeremy517
07-09-04, 12:35 PM
As for the infield fly rule, it is actually really simple. The only two infield fly situations are bases loaded, and runners on first and second. If you can't remember that, just think that the rule comes into play when two or more baserunners can be forced out (not including the batter). The rule is there to keep the fielding team from dropping the ball on purpose to get a double play.
First and third doesn't count, since the runner at third can't be forced out. Second and third doesn't count, since neither runner can be forced out.
When the rule is called, the batter is automatically out, and the runners are free to either stay at their base or try to advance.
Mordred
07-09-04, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Jeremy517
As for the infield fly rule, it is actually really simple. The only two infield fly situations are bases loaded, and runners on first and second. If you can't remember that, just think that the rule comes into play when two or more baserunners can be forced out (not including the batter). The rule is there to keep the fielding team from dropping the ball on purpose to get a double play.
First and third doesn't count, since the runner at third can't be forced out. Second and third doesn't count, since neither runner can be forced out.
When the rule is called, the batter is automatically out, and the runners are free to either stay at their base or try to advance. I understand the infield fly rule, but what I don't understand is how the umpire signals this. It's my understanding that it isn't an automatic thing, it's up to the umpires discretion to call it, but I've never seen any kind of signal made.
Copenhagen
07-09-04, 12:43 PM
It may just be shouted out in lieu of an actual signal.
Red Dog
07-09-04, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Mordred
I understand the infield fly rule, but what I don't understand is how the umpire signals this. It's my understanding that it isn't an automatic thing, it's up to the umpires discretion to call it, but I've never seen any kind of signal made.
I believe it is the 2nd base umpire's call to make and he signals by putting his arm up in the air.
Bushdog
07-09-04, 01:02 PM
illegal defense is the correct answer. Close this puppy down, it can't be beat. :D
El Scorcho
07-09-04, 01:11 PM
The illegal defense thing can be understood by watching Shaq. Sure, it isn't called, but it can be understood at least. ;)
das Monkey
07-09-04, 01:49 PM
Yeah, I dropped by to say illegal defense too. Of course, you may get a more consistent answer to that than charges or travelling.
das
John Richmond
07-09-04, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
The illegal defense thing can be understood by watching Shaq. Sure, it isn't called, but it can be understood at least. ;)
I thought that was the 3 second rule? Oh, that's Shaq on offense. Nevermind.
jr
John Richmond
07-09-04, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by kantonburg
Yesterday on ESPN I heard someone mention "The Larry Bird Rule" and also the mid-level exception. I'm not sure what these are.
Are there simple explanations for these and also are there other "popular" rules like these?
This page will explain most of your NBA CBA questions.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
kantonburg
07-09-04, 10:59 PM
wow.....I'll have to digest that tomorrow.
RJainMJ
07-10-04, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Red Dog
3) Pitch the 9th with no more than a 3-run lead, protect that lead, and finish the game.
Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think the pitcher has to pitch the entire 9th inning. He could come in with 2 outs in the 9th inning with no body on and a 3 run lead, get the guy out, and earn the save....I think.
TaTTooD
07-10-04, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by RJainMJ
Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think the pitcher has to pitch the entire 9th inning. He could come in with 2 outs in the 9th inning with no body on and a 3 run lead, get the guy out, and earn the save....I think.
yeah..youre right
BrewCrew
07-10-04, 07:52 AM
No, the pitcher would have to pitch the entire inning. He can't come in with a three run lead in the ninth with no one on and two outs and still get a save.
chrisih8u
07-10-04, 08:13 AM
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