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Annoyumous
07-10-04, 07:46 AM
DVD Polizei -

Are you talking about the current LaFave case or were you looking at a picture of Mary Kay Letourneau's student Vili Fualaau?

http://www.marykayletourneau.com/images/mary-vili.gif

Jack Straw
07-11-04, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Annoyumous
DVD Polizei -

Are you talking about the current LaFave case or were you looking at a picture of Mary Kay Letourneau's student Vili Fualaau?

http://www.marykayletourneau.com/images/mary-vili.gif Did Vili knock up MKL not once but TWICE? What a S.T.U.D.

DVD Polizei
07-11-04, 05:16 PM
Annoyumous,

No, that's not the kid. :)

kenbuzz
07-14-04, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Annoyumous
http://www.marykayletourneau.com/images/mary-vili.gif
Either she's got a tiny egg, or his melon is enormous!

mrpayroll
08-04-04, 11:53 AM
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3615126/detail.html?treets=la&tid=2654577325813&tml=la_9am&tmi=la_9am_1_11000108042004&ts=H

Teacher Pleads Not Guilty To More Charges Of Sex With Student

POSTED: 8:38 am PDT August 4, 2004
UPDATED: 8:57 am PDT August 4, 2004

TAMPA, Fla. -- A 23-year-old middle-school teacher pleaded not guilty to two more charges of having sex with a 14-year-old former student, her attorney said.

Written pleas were filed on Debra Beasley Lafave's behalf Tuesday to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery in Hillsborough County, said her attorney, John Fitzgibbons. She pleaded not guilty last month to similar charges against her in Marion County.

Her scheduled court appearance Thursday was waived.

In a case that garnered international attention, investigators say Lafave had sex with the boy at her Riverview town house, in a portable classroom at Greco Middle School and in the back of her sport utility vehicle while his 15-year-old cousin drove them around the Ocala area.

The teen told investigators that he and Lafave got to know each other during a class trip in May, and their sexual relationship began June 3. She was arrested June 21.


Chris

mrpayroll
08-12-04, 11:34 AM
http://www.local6.com/news/3646981/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2654577325813&tml=orlpn_12pm&tmi=orlpn_12pm_3155_10550108122004&ts=H

Woman Admits Sex With 11-Year-Old Blind Boy

POSTED: 9:43 am EDT August 12, 2004

MINEOLA, N.Y. -- A Hicksville, Long Island woman has pleaded guilty to having sex with an 11-year-old boy she tutored.

The Nassau district attorney says 45-year-old Kathy Tuifel admitted to having sex with the boy, who is legally blind. She pleaded guilty to three counts of rape and sex abuse.

She met the boy at the Hicksville Middle School where she worked as a teacher's aide.

The district attorney says Tuifel is expected to be sentenced to 6 months in jail and 10 years probation on Oct. 15. She will have to register as a sex offender.

She could have gotten 25 years in prison.

The Nassau district attorney's office says it agreed to the guilty plea and reduced sentence because the boy's family didn't want the youngster to have to testify at a trial.



Here's an obvious case of double standard. If this had been a male with a 11 year old blind girl, he would have received at least 10 years of prison time!

Chris

kenbuzz
08-12-04, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by mrpayroll
[The Nassau district attorney says 45-year-old Kathy Tuifel admitted to having sex with the boy, who is legally blind. She pleaded guilty to three counts of rape and sex abuse.

The district attorney says Tuifel is expected to be sentenced to 6 months in jail and 10 years probation on Oct. 15.

Here's an obvious case of double standard. If this had been a male with a 11 year old blind girl, he would have received at least 10 years of prison time!
Yup. Welcome to America, where it's illegal to discriminate against anyone unless they're white and/or male. :)

Seriously, though, even though the crimes are identical, our society seems to view men as agressors and women as the aggressed when it comes to rape. When a woman rapes a man, it's not as newsworthy as vice-versa. When it comes to statutory rape, society sees a woman who rapes a boy as doing him some sort of service, though if a man rapes a girl he's a low-life scum who will have to watch his rear in prison. It's clearly a double standard, but until the courts are willing to step up and apply the law fairly to everyone REGARDLESS of sex (or race) (or economic background) (or lineage) (or political alignment) (or etc.), these sort of inequities will continue.

OTOH, this was a plea-bargain.

kenbuzz
08-12-04, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by mrpayroll
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3615126/detail.html?treets=la&tid=2654577325813&tml=la_9am&tmi=la_9am_1_11000108042004&ts=H

Teacher Pleads Not Guilty To More Charges Of Sex With Student
A disturbing banner photo appeared when I linked to the referenced story:

http://images.ibsys.com/sh/sponsors/19435/multi-o-zone2004olymp-300x250-19435-06282004-170.jpg

sracer
08-12-04, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by kenbuzz
Seriously, though, even though the crimes are identical, our society seems to view men as agressors and women as the aggressed when it comes to rape. When a woman rapes a man, it's not as newsworthy as vice-versa. When it comes to statutory rape, society sees a woman who rapes a boy as doing him some sort of service, though if a man rapes a girl he's a low-life scum who will have to watch his rear in prison. It's clearly a double standard...[/B]
It's not really a double-standard because the roles of women and men in physical intimacy are different. (I provided an explanation much earlier in this thread) But I can understand why many people consider it a double-standard.

Lara Means
11-30-04, 02:08 PM
http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2004/11/041130lafave.shtml
---------------

Former teacher to use insanity plea against charges of sex with student

TAMPA - When a young Hillsborough County teacher was accused this summer of having a sexual affair with a 14-year-old student, many people's first reaction to the notorious case was, 'She's crazy.' Tuesday, Debra Lafave's attorney announced that his client would indeed be using an insanity defense.

Lafave, 24, is facing charges of lewd and lascivious behavior, stemming from accusations that the former Greco Middle School teacher had sex with the student both at school and in a car driven by the student's cousin in Ocala.

The case has garnered international attention, but since turning herself in to police in June, Lafave has kept a low profile. She was ordered to appear at today's pre-trial hearing, but did not say anything.

In her place, attorney John Fitzgibbons asked the court for a delay because of a shift in his defense tactics.

"To give the court a sense of the case, I anticipate that in the near future, I will be filing a notice of insanity defense. There is some work being done by a doctor…we have accumulated medical records," he told the judge.

Lafave's trial was originally scheduled for December 6. Prosecutors had been forewarned of the new defense tactic, but still said it could push the trial back "a couple months," possibly into next summer.


John Fitzgibbons discusses the case as Lafave and her family look on.
It was not clear, either from Fitzgibbons' comments or court documents, what the reasoning behind the move was.

"Debbie has some profound emotional issues that are not her fault. I think once anyone reads what the doctors have to say, they will understand a lot more about what happened here," Fitzgibbons said outside court, as Lafave stood silently next to him.

One factor the defense might use to invoke an insanity defense is the recent trauma Lafave's family has been through. Her pregnant sister was killed in a high-profile drunk driving accident three years ago, and Lafave was in court for that trial alongside the rest of her family, who also turned out for today's hearing.

Her soon-to-be former husband, Owen Lafave, was not there, however. Owen filed for divorce in August and told Action News previously that the case has been like "living a nightmare" for him.

Debbie Lafave also faces similar charges in Marion County.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/images/stories/2004/11/1130lafave2.jpg http://www.abcactionnews.com/images/stories/2004/11/1130lafave5.jpg

succubiss
11-30-04, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by sracer
It's not really a double-standard because the roles of women and men in physical intimacy are different. (I provided an explanation much earlier in this thread) But I can understand why many people consider it a double-standard.

... unless you're a 9-year old taking it from one of these:
<a href="http://porkdisco.com/so.html"><img src="http://img8.exs.cx/img8/3659/922153rb3.th.jpg"><img src="http://img8.exs.cx/img8/8089/592501eb9.th.jpg"><img src="http://img8.exs.cx/img8/2325/630456v9.th.jpg"></a>

DVD Polizei
11-30-04, 06:38 PM
That's not a double-standard. That's a double-chin.

conscience
11-30-04, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Lara Means
http://www.abcactionnews.com/images/stories/2004/11/1130lafave2.jpg

She gives me the hot in this pic, that crazy bitch.

mrpayroll
12-02-04, 03:20 PM
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3965981/detail.html?treets=la&tid=2654577325813&tml=la_12pm&tmi=la_12pm_6677_02000312022004&ts=H

Phone Tapes Released In Teacher Sex Case

Phone conversations between a Florida teacher and the 14-year-old student she allegedly had sex with were made public Thursday.

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1202/3965903_320X240.jpg

The boy's voice was altered to protect his identity.

Debra Lafave is charged with having a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old student she met while chaperoning a school field trip.

Police said she had multiple sexual encounters with the boy.

Portions of recorded phone conversations between Lafave and the student were released. The calls were monitored by police.

"I'm a little worried," the boy said during one call. "Why?" Lafave responded.

"I just didn't want to get you pregnant or anything. I was just thinking about it, ... how we've had sex about three times and I should've used like a condom or something," the boy said.

"You're being weird," Lafave said on the tape. :lol:


Chris

conscience
12-02-04, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by mrpayroll
"I'm a little worried," the boy said during one call. "Why?" Lafave responded.

"I just didn't want to get you pregnant or anything. I was just thinking about it, ... how we've had sex about three times and I should've used like a condom or something," the boy said.

"You're being weird," Lafave said on the tape. :lol:

That's hot.

chente
12-02-04, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by DVD Polizei
Giantrobo,

The kid is not white. Latino mix or something. :)

Latino? Orale!

mrpayroll
12-02-04, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by conscience
That's hot.

Thanx Paris! :lol:

Chris

Lara Means
12-02-04, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by mrpayroll

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1202/3965903_320X240.jpg




HOT!

LorenzoL
12-02-04, 04:42 PM
I'm sorry but this is the kind of story that make me sick to my stomach.

Delorean
12-02-04, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by LorenzoL
I'm sorry but this is the kind of story that make me sick to my stomach.

Me too. The fact these things never happen to me make me want to puke :yack:

namrfumot
12-02-04, 06:24 PM
She might be a sick mofo but damn is she hot! Check out these pics...especially at the bottom

Dont click on the actual pics unless you want a naughty suprise!

http://www.beerandshots.com/celebrities/Debra-Beasley-Lafave/debra-beasley-lafave-sex-with-14-year-old.htm

johnglass
12-02-04, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by namrufmot
She might be a sick mofo but damn is she hot! Check out these pics...especially at the bottom

http://www.beerandshots.com/celebrities/Debra-Beasley-Lafave/debra-beasley-lafave-sex-with-14-year-old.htm

You may want to post a warning that clicking on any of those pics leads to extremely hardcore porn (not featuring the hottie teacher :mad: ).

mike45
12-02-04, 07:19 PM
She could be a star in porn. Built in publicity.

Caliking
12-02-04, 10:17 PM
what is her deal...she is pretty hot! i dont understand what happened to her to make her do this. i dont think its the same as a man and a girl though. i had some stuff happen to me by a "babysitter" and it didn't scar me at all...the only thing it did was give me a story that outdoes most of my buddies adult stories.

however, i am not saying it is ok. she should be locked up for a very long time...she wont be locked up long enough. im just saying that i think the kid will be fine...i hope he will at least.

Jack Straw
12-03-04, 02:03 PM
Hey, what's up with her asking the kid to make her a "pinky promise"? in that little girl voice. That is so hot. I wonder where that came from? Is she referring to his tool or possibly her area? From now on, whenever my gf indicates that she's feeling amorous, I'm going to ask her "pinky promise"? :lol:

namrfumot
12-03-04, 03:27 PM
Pinky promise is just when you shake yer pinky fingers together and promise.

Jack Straw
12-03-04, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by namrufmot
Pinky promise is just when you shake yer pinky fingers together and promise. Ah damn, just when I thought it was getting totally hot. I think that she's got some mental problem where she was sexually traumatized at an early age, and is reverting back to that time with this 14 y/o.

conscience
12-03-04, 08:17 PM
:lol: I heard the tapes on Inside Edition (I think) and they almost made the kid sound like a chipmunk while talking by altering his voice.

Imagine Alvin the Chipmunk saying "..and I should have used, like, a condom or something".

DodgingCars
12-03-04, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Vandelay_Inds
Oh boy, 12 pages and going... when is society going to grow up, and understand there is nothing "evil", "dirty" or "sinful" about sex?? Also, if you think a 14 year old is a "child", you are living in the land of Oz.

Maybe 200 years ago, a 14 year old wasn't a child. But they are now.

mrpayroll
12-08-04, 03:39 PM
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3982088/detail.html?treets=la&tid=2654577325813&tml=la_12pm&tmi=la_12pm_6707_02000312082004&ts=H

Florida Teacher Seen On Tape With Teen Accuser
Boy Worked With Investigators On Case

POSTED: 10:53 am PST December 8, 2004

TAMPA, Fla. -- The strange case of a Florida teacher who is pleading insanity after allegedly sleeping with a 14-year-old boy gets stranger, as her ex-husband wishes the boy well and attorney release new video of the teacher.

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1207/3978768_200X150.jpg

The Florida state attorney's office has released surveillance photos showing Deborah LaFave with the 14-year-old student she's accused of having sex with.

The photos show LaFave, then 23, with the student and two other boys at an electronics store in Ocala, Fla.

The teens' faces were obscured to protect their identities.

The video shows LaFave wearing a short, white skirt with a low-cut top, walking into the unidentified store with the teens.

LaFave and the teens are seen shopping together and separately inside the store.

The former middle-school teacher has pleaded not guilty to charges that she had sex with the boy multiple times last June. LaFave's attorney indicated she will pursue an insanity defense.

Her trial is scheduled for next April.

She's charged with four felony counts of lewd and lascivious battery and one count of lewd and lascivious exhibition. Each count carries a maximum 15 year prison term.

Also, in a TV interview, her husband, Owen Lafave, talked about his wife's case. They were married less than a year when she was arrested in June.

"You know, I think it's very unfortunate. You know, he's a victim as well as, you know, I am and his family and Debbie's family as well as mine," said Owen LaFave. "My heart goes out to him. So, I hope he's doing well. I don't wish him any ill will. I wish him the best of luck."

Owen LaFave has filed for divorce.

Investigators said the boy, who worked with police and recorded phone calls between the two, claims they had sexual encounters five times, in her townhouse, the classroom and the back of her car.

Also, last week, investigators released audiotapes of the two discussing their relationship in phone conversation.


Chris

Jack Straw
01-26-05, 09:53 PM
Owen Lafave was on LKL last night for the entire hour. Sounds like he's really moved on. I figure that he should definitely garner more than a few "sympathy" dates from females viewers. My favorite part by far is when Larry introduced the "pinky promise" phone call. I had forgotten about how she repeatedly tries to get the young lad to say "pink promise". Cracked me up non-stop. I was trying to explain to my gf what an intense turn on it probably was for that 14 y/o boy. I told her to take the horniest point in her life and multiply it by 1,400, and that's how horny that kid was. Probably didn't even make it inside her the first time she declothed. I wish he could commission someone to help him write a book about his experiences.

Jack Straw
07-19-05, 02:18 PM
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB5913MBBE.html

Plea deal negotiations between Deborah Lafave and FL prosecutors broke off, which now sets in motion a game of "legal chicken" with the Florida court system and 12 jurors with her "insanity" defense. Can't wait to hear the attorney argue that she was insane not once, but on two separate occasions when she committed sex acts on the 14 y.o. Now the "victim" and his cousin will have to testify on the record the actual events that occurred or were witnessed to (in the cousin's case). This may mark the first time that "pinky promise" will have been entered into a FL court proceeding. Why do I not doubt for a second that Gloria Allred will look for a way to stick her nose in and make a buck off this case. The trial starts on Dec. 5th. I'm sure that CourtTV as well as all the night time news talk shows will be covering it wall-to-wall, and I'll be a fly on every one of them :drool:.

DVD Polizei
07-19-05, 02:20 PM
Allred's nose is so long and pointy, she dips it in ink and writes memos.

raven56706
07-19-05, 02:20 PM
damn... she is a hottie.....

Rockmjd23
07-19-05, 03:22 PM
damn... she is a hottie.....
Gloria Allred?! :eek:

mrpayroll
07-19-05, 03:31 PM
Gloria Allred?! :eek:

She needs to be disposed of... and not in a nice way!

Chris

Jazzbutcher
07-19-05, 03:39 PM
This chick is nuttier than a Planter's factory but she still gives me the hawt. :drool:

dumbass kid. what a moran. :down: I woulda killed for some tail like that when i was 14.

Oraphus
07-19-05, 05:55 PM
damn.. at 14 i would have given my left nut to have sex with pretty much just about anything... boys got some serious issues these days.

Original Desmond
07-19-05, 06:10 PM
smokin !

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.flsn10107181601.teacher_sex_flsn101.jpg

Original Desmond
07-19-05, 06:10 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.flsn10207181601.teacher_sex_flsn102.jpg

mrpayroll
07-19-05, 06:12 PM
smokin !

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.flsn10107181601.teacher_sex_flsn101.jpg

Except for those eyes (which are the most important thing to me) :(

Chris

Rockmjd23
07-19-05, 06:14 PM
Except for those eyes (which are the most important thing to me) :(

I think her eyes are her best feature :shrug:

mrpayroll
07-19-05, 06:17 PM
I think her eyes are her best feature :shrug:

I've always been partial to brown/black eyes, with hazel and green not being too bad. But blue eyes creep me out. :eek:

Chris

General Zod
07-19-05, 06:17 PM
I heard some guy on the radio this morning saying she won't go to jail because she is too good looking. "Good looking women don't go to jail", he said. Well, obviously he doesn't watch the same movies I do...

mrpayroll
07-19-05, 06:38 PM
I heard some guy on the radio this morning saying she won't go to jail because she is too good looking. "Good looking women don't go to jail", he said. Well, obviously he doesn't watch the same movies I do...

'Moving to Mature'

Chris

mapasu
07-19-05, 06:50 PM
Hot looking woman over 18 having sex with underage kid = Score!
Ulgy looking woman over 18 having sex with underage kid = Statutory Rape!\

By the way, I thought Oral sex was not sex (i.e. Clinton).

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
07-19-05, 09:10 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.flsn10207181601.teacher_sex_flsn102.jpg

damn...i never had a teacher that looked like that :(

Tommy Ceez
07-19-05, 10:24 PM
http://wizbangblog.com/images/lafave_debra_bike3.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/270/1626/320/lafave_debra_bike6.jpg Yes, thats her

She could use some crunches

Breakfast with Girls
07-19-05, 10:49 PM
http://wizbangblog.com/images/lafave_debra_bike3.jpg
Yes, thats her

She could use some crunchesYeah, fatty should put down the sandwich! FATTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tommy Ceez
07-19-05, 10:51 PM
Im talking about the total lack of ab definition...crunches do nothing to burn fat (minimal at least)

Sdallnct
07-19-05, 11:57 PM
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB5913MBBE.html



From the above link,

Fitzgibbons said the prosecution's plea offer involved ``significant prison time.'' He and his client found that unacceptable.

``To place Debbie into a Florida state women's penitentiary, to place an attractive young woman in that kind of hellhole, is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions,'' Fitzgibbons said.



Is he honestly making the arguement that since his client is a hottie she should not have to go to jail???????? I want to hear this arguement in front of a judge!

wm lopez
07-20-05, 12:17 AM
That 14 yr. kid has got to be the dumb-ass of the 21st century for turning in a hot babe like that.

Giantrobo
07-20-05, 12:59 AM
Hot looking woman over 18 having sex with underage kid = Score!
Ulgy looking woman over 18 having sex with underage kid = Statutory Rape!\




sounds about right. Any other questions?

Giantrobo
07-20-05, 01:00 AM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050718/capt.flsn10207181601.teacher_sex_flsn102.jpg


Absolutely HOT HOT HOT. And that mouth is totally sexy.

But my guess is her good looks will actually be her undoing....unless she gets an all straight male jury.

Lara Means
07-20-05, 02:42 AM
I'd crush it.

mndtrp
07-20-05, 03:29 AM
I had forgotten how hot she was. Thank you for bringing that back to my attention.

Lucky little shit.

LiquidSky
07-20-05, 07:26 AM
``To place Debbie into a Florida state women's penitentiary, to place an attractive young woman in that kind of hellhole, is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions,'' Fitzgibbons said.

Prison is exactly where she needs to be. Isn't that where adults who fuck minors usually go when caught?

Those big gals in prison are going to have a field day. Bon Appetite!

The Bus
07-20-05, 07:38 AM
That kid is an IDIOT.

mapasu
07-20-05, 09:30 AM
ThAT KID HAS TO BE THE DUMBEST FUCK IN THE PLANET. EVEN IF THE TEACHER DIDN"T LET HIM GO OR WAS BEING INTRUSIVE WITH THE KID OR WHATEVER. THIS WOMAN IS HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU KID, SHAME ON YOU! YOU HAVE DONE YOUR FELLOW MEN A MAJOR WRECK. NOW HOT LOOKING WOMEN TEACHERS WILL NOT WANT TO GET IT ON WITH UNDERAGED MALE KIDS. THUS, THE ONLY PLACE THIS'LL BE HAPPENING IS IN THEIR DREAMS. THIS WOULD HAVE GONE BY IN THE 70's & 80's WITH CHEERS AND JOY. NOW IT'S PUNISHED AND DEMONIZED BY TODAY'S STANDARDS. WHAT A SHAME!!!

Johnny Zhivago
07-20-05, 09:38 AM
^
!!!!!11!111!!11!

mrpayroll
11-22-05, 06:37 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_re_us/teacher_sex

Fla. Teacher Pleads Guilty in Sex Case

By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer
39 minutes ago

TAMPA, Fla. - A female teacher pleaded guilty Tuesday to having sex with a 14-year-old student, avoiding prison as part of a plea agreement.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051122/capt.tp10111221708.teacher_sex_tp101.jpg?x=180&y=219&sig=yhxfvJiN8Fz4xWm8TSYtAQ--
Former middle school teacher Debra Lafave leaves the Hillsborough County Courthouse Tuesday morning Nov. 22,...


Debra Lafave, 25, whose sensational case made tabloid headlines, will serve three years of house arrest and seven years' probation. She pleaded guilty to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery.

The former Greco Middle School reading teacher apologized during the hearing, saying "I accept full responsibility for my actions."

The boy told investigators the two had sex in a classroom at the school, located in Temple Terrace near Tampa, in her Riverview town house and once in a vehicle while his 15-year-old cousin drove them around Marion County.

The boy told investigators Lafave told him her marriage was in trouble and that she was aroused by the fact that having sex with him was not allowed. He said he and Lafave, a newlywed at the time, got to know each other on their way back from a class trip to SeaWorld Orlando in May 2004.

If convicted at trial in Hillsborough County, she could have faced up to 15 years in prison on each count.

The plea agreement also was designed to resolve similar charges in Marion County, where Lafave was scheduled to appear in court Dec. 8. But prosecutor Ric Ridgeway said his office wants to speak with the boy's family first.

Hillsborough Circuit Judge Wayne Timmerman said LaFave also will forever lose her teaching certificate, must register with the state as a sexual predator, may not have any contact with children including the victim, and will not be allowed to profit from the sale of her story or personal appearances.

The victim's mother said afterward that the public scrutiny had taken its toll on the family, and they just wanted to see it all end.

"If we had continued along this path, this would have followed him forever," said the mother, whose name was being withheld to protect her son's identity. "My prayer is that he can leave this behind him and go on and be a happy, healthy young man."

After Tuesday's hearing, Lafave's attorney, John Fitzgibbons, said the plea was "a fair resolution of this case." Asked how she felt afterward, Lafave said "tired."

Fitzgibbons said in July that plea negotiations had broken off because prosecutors insisted on prison time, which he said would be too dangerous for someone as attractive as Lafave. He said then that she planned to plead insanity at trial, claiming emotional stress kept her from knowing right from wrong.


I tell ya, I was born the wrong sex!

Chris

Joe Molotov
11-22-05, 06:49 PM
Debra Lafave, 25, whose sensational case made tabloid headlines, will serve three years of house arrest and seven years' probation.

She should have gotten a medal too. :up:

Silt
11-22-05, 08:35 PM
If this would have been a 25 year old male teacher...no way in hell he gets off with house arrest and probation (unless he was a priest). Good ole U.S. justice system at work again.

jessecrx
11-23-05, 01:23 AM
Coming from a guy who actually lived the whole hot teacher student fantasy I wouldn't call it abuse at all if it was consentual(student boy, teacher female)

I was 15 and was I fully aware of what I was doing and of the consequences. Now I don't know how to look at it if the roles were reversed..... all I can say is that I had the same mentality as many of you guys have now. HOT TEACHER! SCORE! It was strictly a sex thing for about 3 years. Once I reached highschool it was over.

I don't have kids yet, but if I had a son who came home and BRAGGED "hey Dad, I am gettin it on with this really hot young teachers at school!" I would laugh! Of course I would ask if HE was the aggressor in the whole thing or was she the one chasing him? There is a difference between consentual sex and pyschologically abusing your way into someone pants.....but if he felt he was in control of the situation and was man enough to have consentual sex with a female then he is man enough to face the music if they get caught. Now if he came home crying about how some teacher was sexually abusing him then you bet your ass I am going to raise hell.

There are daughters out there in their teens who are bangin guys in 12th grade, college.... sex is sex no matter how you look at it. I just hate it when parents out there act as if their kids are such angels when in reality they have already experimented with sex.

I am not saying its OK for adults to have sex with students but there is ALOT of gray area. It's not a simple case of "he adult should know better than to abuse a child."

Giantrobo
11-23-05, 04:20 AM
If this would have been a 25 year old male teacher...no way in hell he gets off with house arrest and probation (unless he was a priest). Good ole U.S. justice system at work again.

at least she didn't get 30 years like that "party mom"....

DVD Josh
11-23-05, 06:26 AM
at least she didn't get 30 years like that "party mom"....

That's because she wasn't hot. Having teh hot is like a get out a jail free card.

Mopower
11-23-05, 08:14 AM
That's because she wasn't hot. Having teh hot is like a get out a jail free card.


I think it was because as well as handing out blowjobs left and right she handed out Meth. That's a little more serious.

Shoveler
11-23-05, 10:15 AM
I think the final plea bargain was arranged when she and the prosecutor drove to the park for a little "private meeting". ;)

Joe Molotov
11-23-05, 10:51 AM
It was strictly a sex thing for about 3 years. Once I reached highschool it was over.

I hope you meant to say "left" instead of "reached". :eek:

LiquidSky
11-23-05, 10:59 AM
The former Greco Middle School reading teacher apologized during the hearing, saying "I accept full responsibility for my actions."

Should be "My vagina accepts full responsibility for her actions" :)

**********************

I think she should have at least received a few years in prison. She's a pedophile.

Silt
11-23-05, 11:30 AM
at least she didn't get 30 years like that "party mom"....


She should have got 30 years though...

The Bus
11-23-05, 11:43 AM
Has anyone beat up the kid yet? I'd at least slap him upside his head.

Trout
11-23-05, 11:54 AM
How long now before she poses nude?

parker63
11-23-05, 12:30 PM
I'm just surprised this teacher hasn't already contacted Ferris (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=443892) :D

Borst
11-23-05, 01:04 PM
How long now before she poses nude?

She can't. Anyone convicted as a sex offender can't profit from it by posing nude or whatever. They talked about it on Opie & Anthony this morning because someone brought up that she should be in Playboy soon.

Mopower
11-23-05, 01:29 PM
Apparently this happens a lot.

http://www.igossip.com/teacher.php

Jack Straw
11-23-05, 06:57 PM
Here's an interesting link. I don't think she gets the concept yet of registered "sex offender".

http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/sexual_predators/OffenderFlyer.asp?keys=54053

DVD Polizei
11-23-05, 07:02 PM
Even if she doesn't get it, women don't have the stigma of "Child Molester" attached to them like men.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
11-23-05, 10:05 PM
Fitzgibbons said in July that plea negotiations had broken off because prosecutors insisted on prison time, which he said would be too dangerous for someone as attractive as Lafave.

uhhhh...since when does a person's looks dictate whether or not they should go to jail?

Joe Molotov
11-23-05, 11:11 PM
Even if she doesn't get it, women don't have the stigma of "Child Molester" attached to them like men.

Considering she's hot, I think most guys would see it as a positive thing.

calhoun07
11-24-05, 12:12 AM
Maybe she would have had to do time if she looked like this:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5119/new0gp.jpg

Lara Means
11-24-05, 01:52 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051122/capt.tp10111221708.teacher_sex_tp101.jpg?x=180&y=219&sig=yhxfvJiN8Fz4xWm8TSYtAQ--





HOT!!!!

Giantrobo
11-24-05, 05:58 PM
She should have got 30 years though...

Yeah, sure. Whatever you say...

Giantrobo
11-24-05, 06:03 PM
uhhhh...since when does a person's looks dictate whether or not they should go to jail?



There are studies that show how attractive people get better breaks than less attractive people. There are even studies that show how thin people get favored over fat people in situations.

It's not the hard to believe.

Jack Straw
12-08-05, 08:41 PM
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=22396

LaFave's attorney reacts to plea rejection
By:Mike Deeson

Ocala, Florida - Attorney John Fitzgibbons says Debra Lafave was obviously upset by the events in court on Thursday. Fitzgibbons says that was clear from the tears in her eyes. LaFave's mother also appeared to be moved to tears because of the judge’s decision.

Fitzgibbons told me the events were "not a total surprise." Fitzgibbons says after practicing law for several years, he never counts on a judge going along with a plea agreement until it is signed, sealed and delivered.

John Fitzgibbons, Debra LaFave's attorney:
"The judge wants a psychological exam of the victim and his cousin to see what harm would come from testifying in court."

This comes despite the fact the mother of the victim does not want the case to go to trial. The judge isn't convinced it will do the boys any long-term harm. Fitzgibbons also says, "If it goes to trial, Debbie can withdraw her plea in Hillsborough."

However that is not likely to happen, because it would be a huge gamble that the insanity plea would work. LaFave also isn't facing any jail time in Hillsborough.

Meantime while the judge has jurisdiction over the case, "the Marion state attorney could end the case by dropping all the charges."

That too isn't likely, because the state attorney has to stand for re-election. That could be political suicide if the charges are dropped, even though the state attorney was not pleased with the judge's decision.
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Hot damn! Looks like the trial is back on and this story will not fade quietly into the night.

AudioWizard
03-21-06, 05:01 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11943967/

Charges dropped in teacher sex scandal
Decision in Lafave case means teacher, student won't have to testify

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 5:01 p.m. ET March 21, 2006


ORLANDO, Fla. - State prosecutors decided Tuesday to drop charges against a former Tampa teacher accused of having sex with a 14-year-old middle school student.

The decision means Debra Lafave won’t go to trial and the victim won’t have to testify.

Prosecutors announced the decision hours after a judge rejected a plea deal that would have meant no prison time for Lafave. “Quite frankly, if the allegations against the defendant are true, the agreed-upon sentence shocks the conscience of this court,” said Marion County Circuit Judge Hale Stancil.

Sources told Orlando NBC affiliate WESH-TV that prosecutors had planned for several weeks to drop the charges against Lafave, who earlier agreed to a plea deal in a second court in a case in which she lost her teacher's license and was sentenced to three years of house arrest.

Prosecutors, defense attorneys and the boy’s mother wanted to avoid trial for the boy’s well-being.

He has suffered extreme anxiety from the media attention and does not want to testify, a psychiatrist previously told Stancil. But the judge said the lack of prison time prosecutors had proposed in Lafave’s plea deal “shocks the conscience of this court.”

Assistant State Attorney Richard Ridgway later said, “The court may be willing to risk the well-being of the victims in this case in order to force it to trial. I am not.”


At a news conference in Tampa, Lafave said she has bipolar disorder, and her attorney said she is getting treatment.

“I want the world to see that bipolar is real,” Lafave said. “Not one time has the media brought up the subject of my bipolar. I challenge you to read a book or an article on bipolar illness.”

Three years under house arrest
Lafave, 25, will spend three years under house arrest and seven years on probation under the Hillsborough County sentence, where she was charged with having sex with the same boy in a classroom and her home. She pleaded guilty Nov. 22 to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery under a plea deal there.

In Marion County, she was accused of having sex with the boy in a sport utility vehicle.

“There is no one that wanted to see Debra Lafave serve jail time more than myself,” the boy’s mother wrote in an e-mail to the Ocala Star-Banner over the weekend. But she said the welfare of her son was more important.

Lafave responded on Tuesday to publicly being called a “monster” and a “predator.”

“I believe that my family know who I am and right now, my family and my friends are all that matter,” she said

melbatoast
03-21-06, 05:11 PM
It took a sexual predator to get AW to come out of hiding.

HistoryProf
03-21-06, 05:13 PM
"sexual predator" :lol:

ANDREMIKE
03-21-06, 05:31 PM
WOW what a BS story. The mother wants to protect the son..... I think the prosecuters can't make a case becasue the boy will not testify against the teacher. Furthermore, I am willing to bet that the boy was speaking out about the teacher and really enjoyed the act.

Rockmjd23
03-21-06, 05:52 PM
It's good to see the charges dropped. A girl that hot shouldn't have to do time.

mrpayroll
03-21-06, 06:03 PM
This is one part of life where women get better, preferential treatment than men!

Chris

DVD Polizei
03-21-06, 07:02 PM
Just heard about this. Anyone post a link already?

kvrdave
03-21-06, 07:08 PM
She must have been one of the hot ones.

kvrdave
03-21-06, 07:11 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1752245&page=1

The decision in the Debra LaFave case raises the question: Is there a double standard when it comes to having sex with teens?

Exhibit One: Debra LaFave. The now notorious 25-year-old middle-school teacher from Tampa, Fla., had agreed to plead guilty to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery for having sex with a 14-year-old male student almost two years ago. It was part of a plea deal her lawyers struck with prosecutors so she could avoid serving time in prison.

This morning a judge rejected the deal. This afternoon the prosecutor threw up his hands and dropped all charges.

Exhibit Two: Dang Van Dinh. Earlier this month, the Orlando, Fla., chemistry teacher was sentenced to five years in prison for having sex with a 15-year-old female student.

Comparisons to cases like Van Dinh's seemed on the mind of Tampa Judge Hale R. Stancil this morning when he rejected the plea deal prosecutors had negotiated with LaFave.

"Accepting the proposed plea agreement would undermine the credibility of this court, and the criminal justice system as a whole, and would erode public confidence in our schools," Judge Stancil wrote in an order released today.

The judge may have thought his actions would result in tougher punishment for LaFave. Instead, the case imploded.


Tabloid Fodder

The boy at the center of this case, now 15, has reportedly been overwhelmed by the media frenzy. His mother decided it would be too traumatic for him to testify against his former teacher. That left prosecutors with a much-weakened case and few options.

"The court may be willing to risk the victim's well-being in this case in order to force it to trial; I am not,'' said Chief Assistant State Attorney Ric Ridgway, when he announced that all charges against LaFave had been dropped.

That's why they offered LaFave the plea deal that would have sentenced her to three years of house arrest followed by seven years of probation. She accepted. But now, even that mild rebuke is gone.

It is almost certainly no coincidence that the woman at the center of this highly scrutinized case is an attractive, 25-year-old blonde. Her exploits with the teen have been fodder for shock jocks, tabloids and late-night TV.

Comedian Jay Leno has joked about the case regularly, usually with a punchline like: "Where were these teachers when I was in school?"

As commentators have repeatedly noted, it is hard to imagine a comedian making similar comments if the case involved a male teacher and a young female student.

And LaFave? She is not completely exonerated. Last November she pleaded guilty in the same case in another county to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery in exchange for serving three years of house arrest followed by seven years of probation.

She is clearly relieved that there will be no additional punishment but also publicly contrite. This afternoon she spoke for the first time since her arrest. She says she is "very remorseful." And, she adds, "I only pray the young man and his family will be able to move on with their lives.''

Meanwhile, former teacher Dang van Dinh has begun serving his five-year sentence.

kvrdave
03-21-06, 07:13 PM
<img src=http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/apr_debra_lafave_060309_sp.jpg>

She was the hottest one of all.

hahn
03-21-06, 07:17 PM
We have to simply start accepting the fact that there IS a double standard. The vast vast majority of sexual predators are men and so when one is a woman, people kind of go, "eh...what's the harm?" And you know, there kind of IS a point there. Yeah, she may be nuts, but neither her or the kid did anything or had anything done to them that was against there will. So you kind of have to ask - where's the crime if no one is in protest at what they did, other than society?

juanmgonzalez
03-21-06, 07:19 PM
I would make sure to attend parent teacher conferences if I had to meet her

NotThatGuy
03-21-06, 07:21 PM
<img src=http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/apr_debra_lafave_060309_sp.jpg>

She was the hottest one of all.

I would TOTALLY sleep with her at 15; hell....i'd sleep with her now....I mean, when your competition are 15 yr olds....the bar is set pretty damn low.

-p

DVD Polizei
03-21-06, 07:24 PM
We have to simply start accepting the fact that there IS a double standard. The vast vast majority of sexual predators are men and so when one is a woman, people kind of go, "eh...what's the harm?" And you know, there kind of IS a point there. Yeah, she may be nuts, but neither her or the kid did anything or had anything done to them that was against there will. So you kind of have to ask - where's the crime if no one is in protest at what they did, other than society?

I agree. It's hard to find any crime being committed.

I don't view a "Child Predator" a predator if the person is having sex with minors who WANT to have sex. It's a big difference than a person going out and forcing minors to get naked with them. All this is, is an older woman and a boy who wanted to have sex. I don't see any indication she is a "serial predator" or anything like it.

Nancy Grace is having a fit. :lol:

NCMojo
03-21-06, 07:34 PM
I think the real double standard is when a male authority figure (teacher, priest, etc.) has sex with a male teenager. Then it becomes a horrific case of abuse, doesn't it?

DVD Polizei
03-21-06, 07:38 PM
Yes. But how many boys have willingly had sex with priests. Usually, the boys tell stories of not-so-pleasurable experiences.

spainlinx0
03-21-06, 07:43 PM
We have to simply start accepting the fact that there IS a double standard. The vast vast majority of sexual predators are men and so when one is a woman, people kind of go, "eh...what's the harm?" And you know, there kind of IS a point there. Yeah, she may be nuts, but neither her or the kid did anything or had anything done to them that was against there will. So you kind of have to ask - where's the crime if no one is in protest at what they did, other than society?

Why is there a double standard when it comes to teenage girls have sex with an older teacher of their own free will? They aren't capable of making that decision, but a 15 year old boy is? I was always under the impression that supposedly girls mature faster than boys so wouldn't it be the exact opposite? Wouldn't a girl be more able to make that decision at 15? Me, I don't really care either way, but I still think it is hypocritical and lacking any sense to have this double standard.

Lara Means
03-21-06, 07:52 PM
Lets hope she does Hustler magazine now.

DVD Polizei
03-21-06, 07:57 PM
I hope she does Adult DVDs. :up:

hahn
03-21-06, 08:04 PM
Why is there a double standard when it comes to teenage girls have sex with an older teacher of their own free will? They aren't capable of making that decision, but a 15 year old boy is? I was always under the impression that supposedly girls mature faster than boys so wouldn't it be the exact opposite? Wouldn't a girl be more able to make that decision at 15? Me, I don't really care either way, but I still think it is hypocritical and lacking any sense to have this double standard.
I already explained. It's because most sexual predators are men, and so it's easy to see how an older man could impose his will against a young girl who may not be 100% willing. It's not as easy to see how an older woman, especially one as attractive as Debra Lafave, could have forced the boy to have sex. Three different times. But even in younger girl's cases, I think each case needs to be evaluated separately. If a girl chooses to do so of her own free will, she should have the choice.

The age thing is also up for debate. I recognize that we have to draw a line somewhere, but there is no logical reason that it has to be 17 or 18. It's not like there's a magical switch that flips on when someone gets to that age that suddenly makes them capable of making an informed decision. (In fact, I would argue that people get dumber about it as they get older.) The age limit is put there as a protection mechanism. However, the truth of the matter is that there are plenty of people who are willing to have sex when they're under that age. The only thing that makes this a prosecutable case is that they were in Florida. Given the EXACT same situation, if they were in Canada, it never would have made the news because it would have been legal. Can we make a real argument that due to the lower age limit in Canada, more people are somehow harmed because of being able to have sex at an earlier age?For there to be a legal justification, there SHOULD be some moral issue at stake, wouldn't you agree? That is, somebody should feel wronged, no? Otherwise we would be putting someone in jail just because it's against a law, rather than because it actually wronged someone. It's the reason I always felt the Tourneau case was poorly handled. As a society, we wasted money on putting and keeping that woman in jail. I'd like to see a good argument for why that woman deserved to go to jail other than because it was illegal.

Do we have some reason here to suspect that the 15 year old boy IS mentally incompetent or somehow disabled that he couldn't make this decision for himself? Show me ONE case EVER where a man complained that he was taken advantage of as a teenager by an older woman and who was tricked into having sex.

Lara Means
03-21-06, 08:09 PM
Who wants to bet the hot teacher agreed to sleep with the boy again for him not to testify.

RaMMaR
03-21-06, 08:35 PM
Eh, it's probable that the kid's sack finally dropped and he realized what he had.:shrug:

spainlinx0
03-21-06, 08:41 PM
Let me phrase it this way then. You're talking about guys being sexual predators. I can understand if you're talking about physically forcing a minor sexually, but here we are talking about supposedly consensual sex between two people. I understand this world says that for guys sex is nothing, and this is just a conquest, but are you trying to tell me that girls are any less into sex than guys? There are no shortage of "loose" people on either side of the gender so to paste this image that young girls are more "susceptible" to some kind of psychological trickery while young boys are always doing it without any sort of seduction from the older teacher seems wrong to me. Why is convincing your student to sleep with you, when you are an authority figure any more wrong because it's a girl or a boy?

Do you still feel it's wrong if it's a male teacher and male student? The male is considered the "predator", but it's still a male student, so where does that leave it?

covenant
03-21-06, 08:51 PM
I agree with hahn :eek:




hahn has been bringing it lately.....way to go!

hahn
03-21-06, 08:52 PM
Let me phrase it this way then. You're talking about guys being sexual predators. I can understand if you're talking about physically forcing a minor sexually, but here we are talking about supposedly consensual sex between two people. I understand this world says that for guys sex is nothing, and this is just a conquest, but are you trying to tell me that girls are any less into sex than guys? There are no shortage of "loose" people on either side of the gender so to paste this image that young girls are more "susceptible" to some kind of psychological trickery while young boys are always doing it without any sort of seduction from the older teacher seems wrong to me. Why is convincing your student to sleep with you, when you are an authority figure any more wrong because it's a girl or a boy?

Do you still feel it's wrong if it's a male teacher and male student? The male is considered the "predator", but it's still a male student, so where does that leave it?

Actually, the double standard I referred to was public perception, not in creating legislation. I would argue that there's nothing wrong with male teacher and male student either as long as there was no coercion and both parties claimed it was consensual. I don't believe I ever made the argument that if the situation was reversed, it would then be wrong. I'm simply saying that the public judgement would be different. Public judgement is often wrong.

Bottom line: I think that either the age of consent law needs to be re-examined, OR the punishment needs to be re-evaluated. Personally, I think these kinds of matters shouldn't be a legal issue. I think issues of sexual morality should be left to families, unless some kind of coercion or trauma (physical or emotional) was involved.

DVD Polizei
03-21-06, 08:59 PM
Hahn Brings It Ahn.

kvrdave
03-21-06, 10:11 PM
Egads, I will agree with Hahn as well. Blanket laws are expedient, but that doesn't mean they are right. I don't see where harm was done, especially harm that would require her to be put in jail. I honestly don't have a problem with putting age of consent at 14. I don't think most people are ready for that decision at that age, but I also don't think people should go to jail because someone, who quite possibly is mature beyond there years, agrees to sleep with them and gets caught.

If this were rape, or if there was strong evidence of the kid being pressured, that's a different story. But that isn't this story. And she's hot. :shrug:

:lol:

melbatoast
03-21-06, 10:22 PM
Show me ONE case EVER where a man complained that he was taken advantage of as a teenager by an older woman and who was tricked into having sex.

Actually there's a case out there right now about that very thing. The female teacher threatened to fail the teenage boy if he did not come to her house for what she told his parents was "tutoring" after school and have sex with her. He felt guilty for the acts after finding out that she was married with small children and told his father about it. Now they're in court. I'll see if I can come up with a link.

Seeker
03-21-06, 10:50 PM
If it was rape, I don't care if the predator is male or female, and I don't care if the victim is male or female.

They deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If it was consentual, then it depends on when we as a society decide that the act truly can be consentual. Period.

As for this case, I have no idea - that's what the whole concept of courts are for.

The Bus
03-22-06, 08:03 AM
On GMA this morning (in reference to this case) they mentioned the double standard. A "study" showed that male-on-female-student offenses resulted in "15 to 20 years jail time" for the man, meanwhile female-on-male-student offenses resulted in "1 to 3 years or probation" instead. The study apparently used data for the last thirty years or so.

The Bus
03-22-06, 08:10 AM
I don't view a "Child Predator" a predator if the person is having sex with minors who WANT to have sex. It's a big difference than a person going out and forcing minors to get naked with them. All this is, is an older woman and a boy who wanted to have sex. I don't see any indication she is a "serial predator" or anything like it.

An interesting viewpoint. I think what we as a society have decided is that minors are to be protected from such things because at that age they don't know what they want or they are too easily influenced into thinking they want something when they don't. I don't know the law for sure, but I know that penalties for sex between minors are minimal to nonexistent.

And yes, there are probably 15-year olds out there who want a sexual relationship with an adult and a small minority may be able to carry that off without any major repercussions. But honestly if it's that important, just wait a damn year (the age of consent seems to be around 16 or 17 for most states).

mrpayroll
03-22-06, 09:21 AM
And I'll bring this up again.

What is the difference between let's say a 30 year old male having sex with a 15 year old female vs. a 16 year old male having sex with a 15 year old female?

Just the age. And I would put it to you that the 16 year old male would be pressuring the 15 year old female ALOT more than the 30 year old would.

Just because the male or female is over 18 seems to put a lot of stigma when it comes to an underage person having sex.

Chris

Pointyskull
03-22-06, 09:24 AM
What is the difference between let's say a 30 year old male having sex with a 15 year old female vs. a 16 year old male having sex with a 15 year old female?

Both are fantasies that have never happened to me :(

Bandoman
03-22-06, 09:26 AM
The teacher in this case was hot.






That is all.

LiquidSky
03-22-06, 11:03 AM
The teacher in this case was hot.






That is all.

You are too old for her. :)

I say she's a weirdo for fucking a 14 year old. I don't care how "hot" she is.

mrpayroll
03-22-06, 11:04 AM
Both are fantasies that have never happened to me :(

Me too! :( :(

Chris

spainlinx0
03-22-06, 11:07 AM
On GMA this morning (in reference to this case) they mentioned the double standard. A "study" showed that male-on-female-student offenses resulted in "15 to 20 years jail time" for the man, meanwhile female-on-male-student offenses resulted in "1 to 3 years or probation" instead. The study apparently used data for the last thirty years or so.

This is really my point which I don't think I'm explaining well. I think the way penalties applied are unfair because the stereotype is that only men can be the predators. I'm not saying either of them should be prosecuted when it's consensual, just that I think it's unfair that it's assumed that guys are predators and are going to get jail time in these situations.

kvrdave
03-22-06, 11:10 AM
You are too old for her. :)

I say she's a weirdo for fucking a 14 year old. I don't care how "hot" she is.

It's called "freaky" :)

Cusm
03-22-06, 03:04 PM
I say she's a weirdo for fucking a 14 year old. I don't care how "hot" she is.


I agree with Liquid. While I do not think the boy had any problems doing this, hell it is about every boy's fantasy at this age, but a 14 y/o is not equipped emotionally or mentally for sex, especially with an adult. The teacher should know better, she may not have forced him, but I still feel she coerced her student, at the very least use her position of power to facilitate the relationship. This is not right and she should have to pay for breaking the law, especially since this seems to be a growing problem.

DVD Polizei
03-22-06, 09:05 PM
We have adults who are not emotionally equipped yet have a shitload of kids and get paid by the US government for doing so.

Where's the logic, I ask. Age is not an indicator of intelligence, emotional stability, or maturity. Legislators seem to think it is.

naughty jonny
03-22-06, 11:02 PM
You are too old for her. :)

I say she's a weirdo for fucking a 14 year old. I don't care how "hot" she is.

She's hot, but she's also pretty fucked in the head. As has been said, age is not an indicator of maturity or a good marker to show that you can deal with something emotionally. I've known some 14 year olds who are more adult than some 30+ people I know.

But it's really the only system we have. This case is considered trivial because it's every boy's fantasy to have sex with their teacher - especially one that's as hot as this one.

The flip side of this is that a lot of studies claim that girls actually achieve emotional maturity faster then boys. So if that's true - and it's cool that a 14 year old boy has the emotional maturity to sleep with his teacher then by default, a 14 year old girl should have the same "right" to sleep with her 25 year old male teacher.

We, as a society, can't have it both ways. Either this relationship (14yo boy and 25yo female teacher) is bad, or other similar aged relationships where the girl is 14 and the [male] teacher is 25 should be fine too.

Sure, the age of consent isn't the greatest system in the world. Some 14yos are "older" than 17 and 18yos when it comes to emotional maturity, but it at least draws the line somewhere. Otherwise, we should remove the age of consent completely (and I'm not sure how popular that would be).

kvrdave
03-22-06, 11:20 PM
A new law will be written with the verbage "If there is grass on the field, play ball"

naughty jonny
03-22-06, 11:46 PM
A new law will be written with the verbage "If there is grass on the field, play ball"

:lol: Will they be expected to stand and sing the National Anthem beforehand though?

riley_dude
03-22-06, 11:56 PM
I heard about this for the first time last night. To think she got off by saying she had a Bi Polar disorder is just beyond me. And then to play the Religion card in her statements goes to show you that that helps cushion the blow for people when you do something wrong.

mrpayroll
03-23-06, 01:11 AM
A new law will be written with the verbage "If there is grass on the field, play ball"

Well, what if we like a 'clean' field?

Chris

kvrdave
03-23-06, 01:33 AM
Then you go to jail for being a pedophile, you sick bastard. :grunt:

dork
03-23-06, 01:49 AM
She's hot, but she's also pretty fucked in the head.
That could also be credited to smear-proof make-up. :|

mrpayroll
03-23-06, 11:56 AM
Then you go to jail for being a pedophile, you sick bastard. :grunt:

Ooops, no! I'm meant 18 and over! That's the legal age, right?

Chris

AGuyNamedMike
03-23-06, 12:15 PM
Well, what if we like a 'clean' field?

Chris

Then we will change the rule to "If there is grass on the field, mow it, and play ball."

mrpayroll
03-23-06, 01:12 PM
Then we will change the rule to "If there is grass on the field, mow it, and play ball."

If that will keep me out of prison, then okay! :thumbsup:

Chris

Duh Vuh Duh
09-12-06, 04:19 PM
Looks like she will be on dateline tomorrow.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14499056/

Matt Lauer sits down with Debra Lafave
NBC News exclusive with the notorious school teacher to air on 'Today' and 'Dateline,' Sept. 13


Updated: 9:07 a.m. MT Aug 24, 2006
In a candid interview with NBC's Matt Lauer, Debra LaFave speaks out about the 2004 criminal case that made her perhaps the most infamous school teacher in America. LaFave, the young, attractive teacher who pleaded guilty to lewd and lascivious battery and is currently serving a sentence of house arrest, reveals new details to Lauer about the case and her sexual relationship with a 14-year-old student. Interview will air on "Today" 7 a.m. and on "Dateline NBC" 8 p.m. on Wednesday, Sept. 13.

NotThatGuy
09-12-06, 07:37 PM
hell....i had sex at 14....I had the misfortune of having a best friend in Junior High who was hung like a ****ing horse.

Uhm....ok.

*runs out of the thread*

-p

NotThatGuy
09-12-06, 07:41 PM
She then picks a boy from the school she teaches at. Why not, it's convenient.

And she performs oral sex on him. Now hold on... this kid could be her bitch. She could be making him do all sorts of things to pleasure her, as SHE'S in the position of power. Yet she chooses to pleasure HIM? She puts her career, her marriage, her reputation, and her freedom from prison on the line to get HIM off? WTF?

You are misunderstanding a key factor.....commonly people in position of power want to relinquish the power and be in the submissive role. Very often you'll find powerful public people want to be absolutely dominated in private. The more 'wrong' it is...the better it can be for certain people.

I'm not saying whether this was a valid claim or not...i'm simply pointing out a common misconception.

-p

NotThatGuy
09-12-06, 08:00 PM
Sorry, I take it back. She has UGLY eyes. I can't stand looking at her face because of that. If she had brown or hazel eyes, then she would be one hot looking blonde, but not this way.

Chris

OMG....

*bites tongue*

btw....I just noticed the date.....looks like i'm a bit late to the party. i guess it'll be a suprise how this ends...the thread just keeps going and going.....

-p

Preacher
09-12-06, 09:40 PM
If that will keep me out of prison, then okay! :thumbsup:

ChrisNot humorous. No thumbsup. Disturbing. And fucking wrong.

mrpayroll
09-12-06, 09:58 PM
Not humorous. No thumbsup. Disturbing. And fucking wrong.

And just a little late.

Chris

Preacher
09-12-06, 10:11 PM
And just a little late.

ChrisSomehow I don't believe anything has changed in 6 months. You imply that you are interested in sex with underage girls. And it's not the first time.

You could possibly consider putting your shirt on, spending less time with teenagers you appear to want to nail, and try dating someone who's more than 10 minutes into puberty.

mrpayroll
09-12-06, 10:15 PM
Somehow I don't believe anything has changed in 6 months. You imply that you are interested in sex with underage girls. And it's not the first time.

You could possibly consider putting your shirt on, spending less time with teenagers you appear to want to nail, and try dating someone who's more than 10 minutes into puberty.


Preach it Preacher!

Chris

Bushdog
09-12-06, 10:18 PM
Chris, that's sick fucking shit. You have to know it is wrong to take advantage of young girls and sexually exploit them. I suggest you start praying hard to the Lord for the strength to not be a pedophile and/or get yourself castrated.

Dead
09-13-06, 01:50 PM
Somehow I don't believe anything has changed in 6 months. You imply that you are interested in sex with underage girls. And it's not the first time. ...


He did?

Ooops, no! I'm meant 18 and over! That's the legal age, right?

Chris

DVD Polizei
09-13-06, 07:32 PM
Chris, that's sick fucking shit. You have to know it is wrong to take advantage of young girls and sexually exploit them. I suggest you start praying hard to the Lord for the strength to not be a pedophile and/or get yourself castrated.

How about men and women OVER the age of 18 who have a litter of kids take my suggestion and go to fucking school and get a GED and be financially secure before having that litter of kids or be sterilized. Oh but wait. People are immaculately and miraculously considered adults when over the age of 18. Legally, this is true, and hey, we all know how laws are always accurate and reflect the current needs of a society.

If two people wanna have sex or a relationship, that's consent in my book. Society may argue the ages, but if it is consent, that's what it is.

A 17-year old girl is hardly being exploited or taken advantage of if she wants to have sex. Far from. In fact, she's probably the most mature person between her and the "adult" person she's having sex with.

Finally, priests pray to the Lord, and look where it got them. In the pants of babes, so I wouldn't preach the Lord too much because the Church has failed God on so many levels and instances.

Preacher
09-13-06, 11:04 PM
He did?Dead, he's been pushing this idea for a long time. Veiled comments and suggestions masking an obvious interest in underage girls. It's absolutely unacceptable. But he gets away with it by only half stating his interest and if pushed he just makes fun of it.

I don't believe he's kidding in the slightest. And the constant insinuation is radiculous.

Darknite39
09-13-06, 11:28 PM
-popcorn-

paulringodaman
09-13-06, 11:31 PM
she is just so sexy

NotThatGuy
09-13-06, 11:36 PM
Dead, he's been pushing this idea for a long time. Veiled comments and suggestions masking an obvious interest in underage girls. It's absolutely unacceptable. But he gets away with it by only half stating his interest and if pushed he just makes fun of it.

I don't believe he's kidding in the slightest. And the constant insinuation is radiculous.

If nothing else it is creepy.

-p

Rockmjd23
09-13-06, 11:42 PM
Finally, priests pray to the Lord, and look where it got them. In the pants of babes, so I wouldn't preach the Lord too much because the Church has failed God on so many levels and instances.
Oh brother...

Draven
09-13-06, 11:52 PM
The fact is that yes, age-based laws can affect certain people negatively, people who are more (or less, I suppose) mature than their age. However, there has to be SOME sort of standard, and age is a pretty good indicator of maturity.

It's like speed limit laws. There are some people that could drive much faster and be perfectly safe. But the limits are where most people can drive safely, so those that can go faster just have to slow down a bit. Same thing here.

I also believe there should be NO double standard at all. If the law is violated, the punishment should be the same be it man or woman. I'm not sure why that isn't a clear-cut problem that some lawyer/judge easily fixes.

DVD Polizei
09-14-06, 12:03 AM
The fact is that yes, age-based laws can affect certain people negatively, people who are more (or less, I suppose) mature than their age. However, there has to be SOME sort of standard, and age is a pretty good indicator of maturity.

It's like speed limit laws. There are some people that could drive much faster and be perfectly safe. But the limits are where most people can drive safely, so those that can go faster just have to slow down a bit. Same thing here.

I also believe there should be NO double standard at all. If the law is violated, the punishment should be the same be it man or woman. I'm not sure why that isn't a clear-cut problem that some lawyer/judge easily fixes.

Yes, there should be a standard. But there should also be an EXCEPTION which is what US law is all about. Many laws have exceptions but when it comes to sex-related offenses, there are none or close to few. Either you are at an age or not. It's a biased legal world due to how laws are made in the first place. I mean think about it. Why is prostitution still illegal in most states. It has to do with ignorant politicians who want impose morality on the masses.

bwvanh114
09-14-06, 12:05 AM
Veiled comments and suggestions masking an obvious interest in underage girls. It's absolutely unacceptable.I don't know what his comments are or the age of the girls he is referring to, but it's possible he is from Mexico where the age of consent is 12? Then everything would be hunky-dory legally (but still creepy).

Edit, I see now his profile said LA. I have no idea what the age of consent is there.

Giantrobo
09-14-06, 01:29 AM
All I know is she looked even HOTTER in the interview. :drool:

argh923
09-14-06, 03:43 AM
All I know is she looked even HOTTER in the interview. :drool:

Pics?

dolphinboy
09-14-06, 04:15 AM
All I know is she looked even HOTTER in the interview. :drool:

I actually believed 99% of what she said and I wasn't expecting that.

When she said she thought she should have gotten jail time, that wasn't something she'd planned to say in case it came up-I felt that she really meant it.

I'm not going to read over this entire thread, but I went HS in the mid to late 80's and judge me however you want to, but, that WAS the fantasy of almost every boy my age.

Doesn't make it right that she crossed the line, but speaking for myself and a lot of my friends, and from a time that was slightly more conservative than it is today, I don't believe any of us would have had psychological damage from that kind of experience.

It's probably not fair and it's certainly not politically correct, but there really is a difference between boys and girls. I don't know why we have such a problem with understanding that.

By the way, I am a college graduate, so I had a lot of teachers and professors in my day and none of them looked remotely like her. Not even close. They shouldn't let a woman who looks like that (or better) teach in a school with boys. It's like playing with fire.

Michael Ballack
09-14-06, 06:19 AM
She did look hot in those clips I saw from the interview, and I'm not even in to most blondes. Damn, if I was 14 and had a chance at her...

DVD Polizei
09-14-06, 09:14 AM
Oh brother...

Where Art Thou?

Rockmjd23
09-14-06, 09:24 AM
:lol: :thumbsup: touche.

RunBandoRun
09-14-06, 09:26 AM
The "clean field" remark really angered me. If you want a virgin, try leaving a few around, guys. If you expect a "clean field" you'd better offer one of your own in return.

Dead
09-14-06, 09:47 AM
The "clean field" remark really angered me. If you want a virgin, try leaving a few around, guys. If you expect a "clean field" you'd better offer one of your own in return.

I believe the implication was that some men like women who are shaved, not virgins. :)

Dead
09-14-06, 09:48 AM
Dead, he's been pushing this idea for a long time. Veiled comments and suggestions masking an obvious interest in underage girls. It's absolutely unacceptable. But he gets away with it by only half stating his interest and if pushed he just makes fun of it.

I don't believe he's kidding in the slightest. And the constant insinuation is radiculous.


It's immaterial what you personally believe. You are essentially calling another member a pedophile, which would be a personal attack and also goes directly against his own comment that he meant 18+ year olds.

Now, I'd suggest that you drop the subject.

RunBandoRun
09-14-06, 09:50 AM
I believe the implication was that some men like women who are shaved, not virgins. :)

Tells you how long it's been since I had sex. :lol:

But either way, if you want some little bald thing, you'd better have the razor out for yourself too. When guys see how uncomfortable it is to have -- er, regrowth in that area -- maybe they'll understand what a pain it is to indulge that particular fancy.

NotThatGuy
09-14-06, 09:56 AM
The "clean field" remark really angered me. If you want a virgin, try leaving a few around, guys. If you expect a "clean field" you'd better offer one of your own in return.

I am sure you women can have their pick of virgin guys....just go find a D&D board. :lol:

-p

HistoryProf
09-14-06, 10:01 AM
I believe the implication was that some men like women who are shaved, not virgins. :)
or in this case, 12.

LurkerDan
09-14-06, 10:30 AM
It's immaterial what you personally believe. You are essentially calling another member a pedophile, which would be a personal attack and also goes directly against his own comment that he meant 18+ year olds.

Now, I'd suggest that you drop the subject.
you obviously have not read near as many creepy posts as Preacher has, or else you would understand where he's coming from, and wouldn't just call it "what he believes".

Dead
09-14-06, 11:53 AM
And, we're done here.