Fahrenheit 9/11 trailer out!

[Kal Varnsen]

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

EDIT- Better Link: http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/fahrenheit_911/

[whynotsmile]

i'll be there.

[Groucho]

Is there a downloadable version? I can't get this streaming crap to work.

[Kal Varnsen]

Originally posted by Groucho
Is there a downloadable version? I can't get this streaming crap to work.
Are you using the large quicktime? Try the small or medium quicktime.

[Trigger]

I don't see his films in the theater and I normally hate Michael Moore, but I'll be there on opening night.

[Groucho]

I eventually got the small quicktime to work. Good trailer. I'm looking forward to this one.

[shaggy]

This will probably be entertaining, but I wish MM actually believed enough in his message, to just show the truth and not twist things and put things out of context. Are there actually people believe his films are fact based?

[Groucho]

Originally posted by shaggy
This will probably be entertaining, but I wish MM actually believed enough in his message, to just show the truth and not twist things and put things out of context. Are there actually people believe his films are fact based? Interesting thoughts. I think you're the first person to post those things about Michael Moore.

[GmoneyOwnsYou]

This is great, after seeing the trailer, I will definatly be going to see this. Moore is a savior, Bush's approval ratings are lower than ever, this film should bring them down even more. The liberals will win the battle to take America back.

[shaggy]

Originally posted by GmoneyOwnsYou
The liberals will when the battle to take America back.

Thats the saddest thing I've ever heard. Do people actually believe US foreign policy was different under Clinton? or a Democrat would have handled post 9/11 any differently? whyy do Americans hate themselves so much? Why not make a movie that shows the people who are actually guilty, like the terrorists. Bush didn't cause 9/11 or anything thats happened since.

[Jackskeleton]

"let the mighty eagle soar!!! Like it never soar before". Ah man, I remember that clip back in the day. Looks freak'n good. I'll be there opening night. All the fuss will turn this film into a huge success.

[beefjerky]

Wow, I didn't know trailers for documentaries could be good. I loved the end.

[RyoHazuki]

I'll see it. Not pay for it but I'll see it. I'd like to at least know what I'm crapping on when the local punk rockers at my high school start bitchin.

I really didn't like the clip at the end. It was just put there for people to say "Wow look how insensitive Bush is! What an evil bastard." No matter where he goes reporters are asking him questions. Just because he was playing golf while they were asking him questions doesnt mean he is Hitler.

[Shannon Nutt]

I'll be there. Can't wait to see the footage (not in the trailer) of Bush sitting around AFTER he had heard about the second plane in NYC. Kerry doesn't even need to campaign...he could just give out tickets to this movie.

[Jaymole]

Great trailer!

Thanks for the link.

[Tafellappen]

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
I'll be there. Can't wait to see the footage (not in the trailer) of Bush sitting around AFTER he had heard about the second plane in NYC. Kerry doesn't even need to campaign...he could just give out tickets to this movie.

I know! He should've freaked out in front of those children! Especially since he had an excellent idea of exactly what was happening!

[al_bundy]

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
I'll be there. Can't wait to see the footage (not in the trailer) of Bush sitting around AFTER he had heard about the second plane in NYC. Kerry doesn't even need to campaign...he could just give out tickets to this movie.

that's what worker bees are for. The President is not supposed to appear stressed out in public, no matter what happens. If the secret service would have grabbed him and ran it would have looked really bad.

[Groucho]

Bush should have pulled a "George Costanza" and knocked kids out of the way rushing out of the room.

Seriously, I've seen the footage and he acted exactly as any other president would have in that situation. And I'm not a "Bush Supporter" by any means.

[Shannon Nutt]

Originally posted by Tafellappen
I know! He should've freaked out in front of those children! Especially since he had an excellent idea of exactly what was happening!

Well, I think he should have left, instead of hanging around for a photo op. It's like Nero fiddling while Rome burned...

You're right about having an excellent idea what was happening...with all those warnings he ignored, plus his close ties with the Saudis.

Somehow, I don't think President Roosevelt kept his schedule when he got the call that Pearl Harbor had been attacked.

[majorjoe23]

Originally posted by shaggy
Thats the saddest thing I've ever heard. Do people actually believe US foreign policy was different under Clinton? or a Democrat would have handled post 9/11 any differently? whyy do Americans hate themselves so much? Why not make a movie that shows the people who are actually guilty, like the terrorists. Bush didn't cause 9/11 or anything thats happened since.

Since neither of us have seen the movie, neither of us have a very informed opinion at this point. But I believe Moore is going to be making the case that the Saudis were responsible. Of course, he'll add in that they're friends with the Bushs.

[Chrisedge]

I will so be there opening night.

[marty888]

Originally posted by shaggy
Bush didn't cause 9/11 or anything thats happened since.

No, he didn't cause 9/11 ....... but prove to me that the invasion of Iraq was someone else's decision.


And if he hasn't caused "anything that's happened since", then what the hell has he been up to since moving into the White House? Is he that ineffective as you say?

[Tafellappen]

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Well, I think he should have left, instead of hanging around for a photo op. It's like Nero fiddling while Rome burned...

You're right about having an excellent idea what was happening...with all those warnings he ignored, plus his close ties with the Saudis.

You could say the same exact thing about Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. Where should he have gone to?

Somehow, I don't think President Roosevelt kept his schedule when he got the call that Pearl Harbor had been attacked.

I agree, he probably ran out of the room when he found out. ;)

[brizz]

-notrolls-

[CRM114]

Kudos to Michael Moore to have the BALLS to make this film.

[majorjoe23]

Originally posted by brizz
-notrolls-

Brizz, I have to ask since it's often hard to tell in the Moore bashing/defending threads: Who do you consider the troll here?

[wmansir]

Perhaps he is refering to Moore himself?

[brizz]

Originally posted by majorjoe23
Brizz, I have to ask since it's often hard to tell in the Moore bashing/defending threads: Who do you consider the troll here? uhm, lets see, it's a thread letting people know a trailer is up.....and yet we have:
Are there actually people believe his films are fact based?
Thats the saddest thing I've ever heard. Do people actually believe US foreign policy was different under Clinton? or a Democrat would have handled post 9/11 any differently? whyy do Americans hate themselves so much? Why not make a movie that shows the people who are actually guilty, like the terrorists. Bush didn't cause 9/11 or anything thats happened since.
Just because he was playing golf while they were asking him questions doesnt mean he is Hitler.
Perhaps he is refering to Moore himself? i.e. Moore is a troll! how clever!! -ohbfrank-


all uncalled for partisan threadcrapping bullshit....it's soooo tiresome. we get it, conservative people don't like Michael Moore. They think everything he says is a lie. they think anyone who likes him is an idiot. They continuously convict him for saying and doing things he hasn't said or done - and then criticize everyone else for not listening to them. We have heard it ad infinitum and i'm ****ing tired of it. LET IT GO!!!!

[RyoHazuki]

We can crap on every worthless trailer that falls out of Hollwood's ******* and on to the internet but if I make a comment about a clip used in a Micheal Moore trailer then I am threadcrapping. Good job.

[dick_grayson]

awesome trailer. very powerful. I can't wait to see it. (I especially love saying this because it'll drive the trolls nuts)

[majorjoe23]

Originally posted by RyoHazuki
We can crap on every worthless trailer that falls out of Hollwood's ******* and on to the internet but if I make a comment about a clip used in a Micheal Moore trailer then I am threadcrapping. Good job.

First, you're admitting that these are thread craps. Secondly, when most people comment on trailers, they say things like "The SFX look bad," "Jake Gyllenhall can't act his way out of a paper bag" not "Jake Gyllenhall is a fat lefty zealot who blows goats."

[Jaymole]

Actually RyoHazuki did comment on part of the trailer so I wouldn't call his post a threadcrap.

If people can comment (both good & bad) on just the trailer itself , then that's fine. If they are just going to post general comments about Michael Moore then they should go post elsewhere.

[RyoHazuki]

Originally posted by majorjoe23
First, you're admitting that these are thread craps. Secondly, when most people comment on trailers, they say things like "The SFX look bad," "Jake Gyllenhall can't act his way out of a paper bag" not "Jake Gyllenhall is a fat lefty zealot who blows goats." I never said these were threadcraps although a few of them are. I said we threadcrap on other trailers but then my comment, which was not a threadcrap, gets quoted and bitched about as if it were a threadcrap.

[Groucho]

I think that RyoHazuki's first post was not a crap, and perfectly on-topic for the subject at hand.

However, to suggest that Moore was saying "Bush = Hitler" by showing the clip was going a bit over the top. Ironically, it's the kind of thing that Moore gets accused of all the time.

[brizz]

which was my point by only quoting that part of the post....it was unnecessary, inflammatory, and spurious.

- Jackie Childs

[majorjoe23]

I wasn't actually saying that RyoHazuki was threadcrapping, but I probably good have been clearer.

[Groucho]

Originally posted by majorjoe23
I probably good have been clearer. :whofart:

[majorjoe23]

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner Danol today. What come you guys no DVD with Cheers?

[chanster]

Funny how Michael Moore twists even humorous things into something sinister

That Bush quote was from a New York Memorial Dinner, attended by Al Gore as well. It wasn't a fundraiser. Both candidates poked fun at themselves.

You want to know what Al Gore said at the event:

The vice president, who spoke first, started right off making fun of his tendency to exaggerate and his boast that he invented the Internet. "The Al Smith Dinner represents a hallowed and important tradition, which I actually did invent," he deadpanned.

http://cny.org/archive/ld/ld102600.htm

Joking about his oft-repeated debate promise to keep Social Security in a "locked box," he said if he's elected he'll put "Medicare in a walk-in closet," NASA funding in a "hermetically sealed Ziploc bag" and will "always keep lettuce in the crisper."

But please continue your ramblings and continue to get your history through Michael Moore.

[Rivero]

I will be seeing this opening night with my friends and several family members.

<s>Take THAT you religious right-wing too-old-to get-it-up Republican corporate ass-puppet bitches! :)</s> -<i>please refrain from these kinds of attacks</i>

Smell the stench of defeat!

[Iron_Giant]

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Well, I think he should have left, instead of hanging around for a photo op. It's like Nero fiddling while Rome burned...

You're right about having an excellent idea what was happening...with all those warnings he ignored, plus his close ties with the Saudis.

Somehow, I don't think President Roosevelt kept his schedule when he got the call that Pearl Harbor had been attacked.
I am not sure about the timing, but I not sure about it not being an accident until the 2nd plane hit. I was only shocked that such a thing could happen and I was hoping that everyone would get out OK. When the 2nd plane hit, I knew it was terrorism. So, maybe the Pres thought the 1st plane was "only" an accident, then I could see why he did not leave at the first second he heard.

And about the "vacation time" the president was on after he was in office, is the president ever on vacation - NO. He has a flying mobile office in Air Force One, he has an entire staff that goes with him, he is in constant contact with everone in Washington, anyone in the White House staff knows how to contact him at anytime...he is never on vacation - he can never take a day off from being the president. The only time he can take a day off is if he is injured or if he is having some kind of operation that puts him out.

<b>If I work 10 hours (does not include lunch, holidays, vacations, sick days, personal time off...) a day for 6 days a week = about 240 hours a month.
On average there are 720 hours in a month.
240/720 = 33% working per month
So, that means I am "Vacationing" 66% of my year. If I include time off, then I would only be "Vacationing" about 70% of my year.

And when I vacation, I do not have to take my work with me - well, sometimes I do.</b>

Once again, MM does not present the true facts in his movies so he can prove the points he wants to.

I think I will skip the movie like I skip BFC.

[Tafellappen]

Originally posted by Rivero
I will be seeing this opening night with my friends and several family members. Take THAT you religious right-wing too-old-to get-it-up Republican corporate ass-puppet bitches! :)

Smell the stench of defeat!

You have to be joking, right?

[Chrisedge]

Originally posted by Iron_Giant
And about the "vacation time" the president was on after he was in office, is the president ever on vacation - NO. He has a flying mobile office in Air Force One, he has an entire staff that goes with him, he is in constant contact with everone in Washington, anyone in the White House staff knows how to contact him at anytime...he is never on vacation - he can never take a day off from being the president. The only time he can take a day off is if he is injured or if he is having some kind of operation that puts him out.

I agree the Presidents vacation is not like yours/mine vacations, but he is still on "vacation" and compared to other presidents, Bush Jr. has taken more "vacation" than any other president.

I will be there June 25th.

[Kicker_of_Elves]

It's Rivero, he is never joking.

[Dr. DVD]

Rock on! I'll see it opening weekend.

[Dr. DVD]

Originally posted by chanster
But please continue your ramblings and continue to get your history through Michael Moore.


Better him than Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O'Reilly.

[Tafellappen]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
Better him than Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O'Reilly.

Nope, all of them are the same.

[brizz]

Originally posted by chanster
Funny how Michael Moore twists even humorous things into something sinister

That Bush quote was from a New York Memorial Dinner, attended by Al Gore as well. It wasn't a fundraiser. Both candidates poked fun at themselves.

You want to know what Al Gore said at the event:

The vice president, who spoke first, started right off making fun of his tendency to exaggerate and his boast that he invented the Internet. "The Al Smith Dinner represents a hallowed and important tradition, which I actually did invent," he deadpanned.

http://cny.org/archive/ld/ld102600.htm

Joking about his oft-repeated debate promise to keep Social Security in a "locked box," he said if he's elected he'll put "Medicare in a walk-in closet," NASA funding in a "hermetically sealed Ziploc bag" and will "always keep lettuce in the crisper."

But please continue your ramblings and continue to get your history through Michael Moore.

From what I can tell....he isn't twisting anything...it's a short clip in the trailer of Bush saying the uber-rich are "as I like to call you, my base." I don't much give a shit where he said it. He said it....why does it matter if it was at a fundraiser or not? Is Moore claiming it was? no. This is a perfect example of taking something small and turning it into some grand misrepresentation and bag of lies....it's nothing of the sort....at least you could just wait until the movie is out and take a look for yourself before you start making shit up about it.

It's akin to his "sure would be easier if i was a dictator" comment....no one cares if he was joking or what context he said it in....it comes off as incredibly arrogant and makes him look exactly as his critics paint him....when or where he said is ultimately irrelevant...

[Jepthah]

I will see the movie and try to judge it on its own merits--as a MOVIE.

I'm sure the right-leaning people will be working over time to pick it apart, analyze it and discredit it frame-by-frame as soon as they can. And quite frankly, I think they're welcome to and are doing a service to all of us for their effort.

[Binger]

Originally posted by brizz
From what I can tell....he isn't twisting anything...it's a short clip in the trailer of Bush saying the uber-rich are "as I like to call you, my base." I don't much give a shit where he said it. He said it....why does it matter if it was at a fundraiser or not? Is Moore claiming it was? no. This is a perfect example of taking something small and turning it into some grand misrepresentation and bag of lies....it's nothing of the sort....at least you could just wait until the movie is out and take a look for yourself before you start making shit up about it.

And you havn't seen the movie either, so you don't know if Moore is going to edit the shit out of any comment and take them out of context. He has been known to do it in the past. Let me ask you, as you defend Moore's BS, if he does take comments out of context and he does edit the shit out of these clips to spin the material to his own agenda, will you come back here and apologize for accusing someone of trying to "make shit up" about Moore? Probably not.

[Binger]

Originally posted by GmoneyOwnsYou
The liberals will when the battle to take America back.

Not if they can't spell win.

[gross@iastate]

Originally posted by chanster
Funny how Michael Moore twists even humorous things into something sinister

That Bush quote was from a New York Memorial Dinner, attended by Al Gore as well. It wasn't a fundraiser. Both candidates poked fun at themselves.

You want to know what Al Gore said at the event:

The vice president, who spoke first, started right off making fun of his tendency to exaggerate and his boast that he invented the Internet. "The Al Smith Dinner represents a hallowed and important tradition, which I actually did invent," he deadpanned.

http://cny.org/archive/ld/ld102600.htm

Joking about his oft-repeated debate promise to keep Social Security in a "locked box," he said if he's elected he'll put "Medicare in a walk-in closet," NASA funding in a "hermetically sealed Ziploc bag" and will "always keep lettuce in the crisper."

But please continue your ramblings and continue to get your history through Michael Moore.

I agree. That clip and the golfing clip are taken out of context to make Bush look like a "bad" person who caters to the rich. Kerry, Gore and every other politician cater to the rich. Except for maybe Ralph Nader. Moore isn't going to show you all the facts, only what he wants you to see. Moore tends to sensationalize everything, since the truth is too boring for him. Sensationalism sells and it's what people want to watch.

[GmoneyOwnsYou]

Originally posted by Binger
Not if they can't spell win.

Hey, Its called a typo. I was typing fast. Hey, if the Bush administration put as much thought into this war as you did my spelling. We might have done better in Iraq and might actually "win" this unjustified war. Sadly they havent. There's three things you need for war...

1. An immanent threat.

2. Overwelming forces (trying to take over an entire country with 142,000 troops is not gonna cut it)

3. An exit strategy.

None of which have applied to this war. Face it people, Bush is a joke. Or should I say Captain Corsicough. Dont know what corsicough is? It's a syndrome, look it up. Im pretty sure Bush has corsicough syndrome.

[badger1997]

Those who contend that maybe Bush didn't realize America was under attack while he was reading in that classroom are missing the fact that when he was told in the classroom, it was the second plane that had hit, not the first.

In fact, he claimed to "remember" watching the first plane hit the towers on television before beginning reading to the class. Which of course was not possible because footage of the first plane hitting the towers was not available that soon after the attacks.

So count me as one person who finds it disconcerting he didn't hand the book off to somebody else and leave the classroom (not running and screaming, but politely excusing himself) because something more important was happening beyond its walls.

[RyoHazuki]

Originally posted by GmoneyOwnsYou
Hey, Its called a typo. I was typing fast. Hey, if the Bush administration put as much thought into this war as you did my spelling. We might have done better in Iraq and might actually "win" this unjustified war. Sadly they havent. There's three things you need for war...

1. An immanent threat.

2. Overwelming forces (trying to take over an entire country with 142,000 troops is not gonna cut it)

3. An exit strategy.

None of which have applied to this war. Face it people, Bush is a joke. Or should I say Captain Corsicough. Dont know what corsicough is? It's a syndrome, look it up. Im pretty sure Bush has corsicough syndrome. This is totally off topic and does not belong in this thread. Please try to stay on topic.

[chanster]

From what I can tell....he isn't twisting anything...it's a short clip in the trailer of Bush saying the uber-rich are "as I like to call you, my base." I don't much give a shit where he said it. He said it....why does it matter if it was at a fundraiser or not? Is Moore claiming it was? no. This is a perfect example of taking something small and turning it into some grand misrepresentation and bag of lies....it's nothing of the sort....at least you could just wait until the movie is out and take a look for yourself before you start making shit up about it

Are you kidding me? We do know that he has already twisted in the trailer so people don't know it it was a roast - a roast where politicians have been making fun of themselves for years. Its not like it was a secret video where Bush really admits who his constituency is.

If you want to sit there and say "Well he did say it," I suggest that all of the comments that presidents have made at press club roasts, dinners like this are now fair game. You see where that goes? If it was a joke (and it was judging from people and reports from there) it deserves to be labeled as a joke.

Never the less, I will hold final judgement until the movie, but I am pretty sure that it will get twisted.

Some people, like CRM, are already posting it in other threads as evidence. Its a joke. Politicians come there to make fun of themselves and raise money for a charitable cause. Good gried

And what exaclty am I making up? I just reported it was a roast, and AL Gore was there making ridicoulous comments. Thats the context.

[wmansir]

Too late chanster, the dems already declared the self-deprecating jokes at these events as fair game earlier this year. Remember how Bush mocked and degraded the efforts of our fine fighting men by making a joke about not finding WMDs?

[majorjoe23]

Reading through this thread, I find plenty of comments that are embarassing to both the liberals and conservatives making them. What this thread has succeeded in doing is making me embarassed to be a member of either political party.

[shaggy]

Originally posted by marty888
No, he didn't cause 9/11 ....... but prove to me that the invasion of Iraq was someone else's decision.


And if he hasn't caused "anything that's happened since", then what the hell has he been up to since moving into the White House? Is he that ineffective as you say?

I meant terror related. I get tired of people who think the terrorists have a point or our policy is why they do what they do. Terrorists are psychos, plain and simple.

[BigDaddy]

I can not get the trailer to load anyone getting it to work?

[RyoHazuki]

The quicktime one doesnt seem to be working but Media Player one works fine.

[Jam Master Jay]

I'm getting 404 errors on the Quicktime and WMP versions, seems to not be there anymore.

[Ephemeral_Life]

Originally posted by Binger
Let me ask you, as you defend Moore's BS, if he does take comments out of context and he does edit the shit out of these clips to spin the material to his own agenda, will you come back here and apologize for accusing someone of trying to "make shit up" about Moore?

There are many claims of Moore using images misleadingly (as in Bowling for Columbine, where if I recall correctly, some folks claimed he used a clip of Charlton Heston from some nonrelated event while talking about a convention near Littlewood).
Doing things like this is common practice in documentaries.... When Hitler is being talked about, for instance, shots are frequently shown of him in some parade or speech that didn't have anything whatsoever to do with the topic.

While I like his films, I think he is (or hires) pretty terrible editors, I feel like he tries too hard to instill feelings into his viewers rather than letting them form their own opinions (double-bias, if you will), but then I don't blindly believe or follow what some guy tells me on TV or in a movie. Sadly, too many of the people I know just puke back the crap hey are fed from both sides of the political spectrum no matter how ludicrous it is.

[jaeufraser]

Originally posted by Ephemeral_Life
There are many claims of Moore using images misleadingly (as in Bowling for Columbine, where if I recall correctly, some folks claimed he used a clip of Charlton Heston from some nonrelated event while talking about a convention near Littlewood).
Doing things like this is common practice in documentaries.... When Hitler is being talked about, for instance, shots are frequently shown of him in some parade or speech that didn't have anything whatsoever to do with the topic.

While I like his films, I think he is (or hires) pretty terrible editors, I feel like he tries too hard to instill feelings into his viewers rather than letting them form their own opinions (double-bias, if you will), but then I don't blindly believe or follow what some guy tells me on TV or in a movie. Sadly, too many of the people I know just puke back the crap hey are fed from both sides of the political spectrum no matter how ludicrous it is.

Well you hit it on the nose what Moore does. Granted, practically every docu maker does it, using editing to make their point. But because Moore hits such controversial topics and is so well known, he's picked on for it. Not to mention he is kind of extreme, often times showing things and doing things in his films that make...well no point really except to make people feel what he wants them to...which is ok, but doesn't work for me in this type of piece. I prefer more objective looks, so I'm no Moore fan (I don't think he's evil...I just don't agree with his politics, and anyone who doesn't agree with his politics isn't really going to enjoy his work as much) but I still respect what he does. But not all of it. I watched that Charleton Heston interview...where he badgers Heston and then starts walking around leaving a picture of some dead girl on his lawn. So what point did that scene make? Nothing really, except being rude to his host and trying to make that the non reaction of Charleton meant something...whereas any person who let someone in their house and was treated like that would act the same way. It's there type of things that annoy me about Moore. As someone said before, while he does make some decent points here and there, I feel his films are filled with far more sensationalism than facts, which works I suppose for some, but does little for me.

Nonetheless, I still take my hat off to Moore...he's really made an impact with filmmaking, and in many ways made the documentary format something more viable than it used to be. And regardless of how I view those films, that is something that has to be admired. Well...at least I do.

[LuisL]

i like his "sensationalist" movies. i can't wait to see this one as well. "no facts", huh, he backs up everything he says, you are always more than welcome to research it as well.

and as for the person who has never seen his films, you should've just said no comment instead of opening your ignorant mouth because you obviously know nothing of the films, as you clearly stated.

go see the movie and be prepared to have your eyes opened to the plague of america that is bush.

[Jackskeleton]

Can we please keep the political crap away from the film discussion, sure what is relating to the clips is great and all but a lot the side babble is what gets all the moore threads to page 7 and locked without any real discussion. .. can't we all just get along?

[Chew]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Can we please keep the political crap away from the film discussion, sure what is relating to the clips is great and all but a lot the side babble is what gets all the moore threads to page 7 and locked without any real discussion. .. can't we all just get along?

I think that's a little impossible given the premise of the film.

[Binger]

Originally posted by GmoneyOwnsYou
Hey, Its called a typo. I was typing fast. Hey, if the Bush administration put as much thought into this war as you did my spelling. We might have done better in Iraq and might actually "win" this unjustified war.

Actually I put about a second of thought into your spelling and that may be generous. It's not like it was a code that needed deciphering. By the way, there should be a comma between the words spelling and we in your sentence above, not a period. Now lecture on about the "evil" Bush administration and our savior Michael Moore. :rolleyes:

[Binger]

Originally posted by jaeufraser
Well you hit it on the nose what Moore does. Granted, practically every docu maker does it, using editing to make their point. But because Moore hits such controversial topics and is so well known, he's picked on for it.

But Moore does not make documentaries. He makes self-congratulatory, propoganda pieces. He never, and you have to admit this, never stays objective or presents a balanced view of the issues. He comes in from one side (the left one) and beats you over the head over and over with his version of the issue at hand. He has no interest in giving people the facts and letting the public make an informed decision over a topic, he wants you to fall in line with his, overly extreme, line of thinking. This does not qualify him as a documentary filmaker, it's more on par with a political spin doctor.

[BigDaddy]

Due to overwhelming demand, the Fahrenheit 9/11 trailer will be down temporarily.


I would like to see it. :(

[Cardiac161]

I may be a minority here but I would like to watch this movie due to it being the Cannes Film Festival winner.

I just saw the 2nd prize winner which was the Korean entry OLDBOY, and it was well-deserved of the accolades.

[Verbal Gorilla]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Can we please keep the political crap away from the film discussion, sure what is relating to the clips is great and all but a lot the side babble is what gets all the moore threads to page 7 and locked without any real discussion. .. can't we all just get along?

The idoit democrats can't even get quicktime to work properly. How can we expect them to run a country! Vote Bush!!

[RyoHazuki]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Can we please keep the political crap away from the film discussion, sure what is relating to the clips is great and all but a lot the side babble is what gets all the moore threads to page 7 and locked without any real discussion. .. can't we all just get along? I agree. Please stop.

[Binger]

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Can we please keep the political crap away from the film discussion, sure what is relating to the clips is great and all but a lot the side babble is what gets all the moore threads to page 7 and locked without any real discussion. .. can't we all just get along?

So you want us to stop talking politics in relation to a political film?

[TheCurse9]

You can still watch the trailer by going to http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/fahrenheit_911/

[RyoHazuki]

Originally posted by Binger
So you want us to stop talking politics in relation to a political film? It is going beyond "relation" to the film. This thread is for discussion of the film and the trailer. There are several thousand Micheal Moore is an asshat/genius threads in the otter if you want to talk politics.

[inri222]

Screenshots:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/special/f911-screenshots.php

[Binger]

Originally posted by RyoHazuki
It is going beyond "relation" to the film. This thread is for discussion of the film and the trailer. There are several thousand Micheal Moore is an asshat/genius threads in the otter if you want to talk politics.

But the problem is that to discuss the film/trailer is to discuss politics. There are no special effects, no plot and no actors. The only thing to discuss about the trailer are the clips that included. Clips that are political in nature. The trailer is one self serving political propoganda piece and I think that discussion of politics is very appropriate when discussing this project. It is, after all, a political propoganda piece.

[Dr. DVD]

What's the music they play in the preview? I really like it!

[PopcornTreeCt]

I hope Michael Moore's next film is about the evil cigarette companies raking in huge profits at the expense of peoples' lives. Or wait, maybe a story about those poor urban kids who can't get into college because of their grades...or is it because they are..."urban"?

[Goldblum]

Originally posted by wmansir
Perhaps he is refering to Moore himself?

:lol:

[RyoHazuki]

Originally posted by PopcornTreeCt
I hope Michael Moore's next film is about the evil cigarette companies raking in huge profits at the expense of peoples' lives. Or wait, maybe a story about those poor urban kids who can't get into college because of their grades...or is it because they are..."urban"? His next film is about how evil the American healthcare system is. Its called Sicko. Im dead serious.

[Goldblum]

Originally posted by Jam Master Jay
I'm getting 404 errors on the Quicktime and WMP versions, seems to not be there anymore.

It's a vast right-wing conspiracy! :eek:

[J-Dubya]

looks great

[Binger]

Originally posted by PopcornTreeCt
I hope Michael Moore's next film is about the evil cigarette companies raking in huge profits at the expense of peoples' lives. Or wait, maybe a story about those poor urban kids who can't get into college because of their grades...or is it because they are..."urban"?

Maybe we'll get lucky and his next film will be about suicide and at the end he will take the plunge for his art.

[johnglass]

I think I'll wait for the DVD. I consider myself an average person (politically speaking), although I guess my views lean more to the right. I wasn't offended at all by what I saw in the clip. I also can't understand why anyone would listen to what this guy has to say, seeing him drive around the White House in his truck ranting on the bullhorn, and employing obvious sabotage attacks on politicians- he looks like a lunatic!

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Binger
Maybe we'll get lucky and his next film will be about suicide and at the end he will take the plunge for his art. Wow. Just wow. "I don't agree with Moore's views, and I want him to DIE." Scary stuff...and I thought the poster who said Moore was going to Hell was extreme.

[PopcornTreeCt]

Originally posted by johnglass
I think I'll wait for the DVD. I consider myself an average person (politically speaking), although I guess my views lean more to the right. I wasn't offended at all by what I saw in the clip. I also can't understand why anyone would listen to what this guy has to say, seeing him drive around the White House in his truck ranting on the bullhorn, and employing obvious sabotage attacks on politicians- he looks like a lunatic!

I feel the exact same way. I didn't find anything offensive in the trailer, found to be even funny at times "We don't even read the bills" but anytime these activists start doing nutty things like Moore ranting on the bullhorn or those crazy kids and those truth commericals, it just totally puts me off. Can't you act normal and make a point at the same time?

[haliedoeshebron]

Can't you act normal and make a point at the same time?

Not usually if you want people to take notice.

[Dr. DVD]

Again, trailer music at the end?

[spainlinx0]

Why is Moore even being criticized for the editing in the trailer? Did he edit the trailer himself? Isn't that usually the job of other people?

[Groucho]

Generally, trailers are not edited by the filmmaker...or even approved by them! Occasionally, however, the filmmaker will get involved to some degree. I don't know which was the case with Fahrenheit 9/11.

[Luther Heggs]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
Again, trailer music at the end?

Just a guess, but it sounded to me like I'd Love to Change the World by Ten Years After?

[badger1997]

Originally posted by Binger
Maybe we'll get lucky and his next film will be about suicide and at the end he will take the plunge for his art. You know, it's always nice when somebody says something like this. First because it reminds me of how small some people can be and secondly because it means there is one less opinion out there I have to consider.

I mean, I can understand not liking a person and hating the viewpoints they have, but wishing they would kill themselves because you don't like them? You really need to switch to decaff my friend.

[badger1997]

As for Bush's line in the trailer, it seemed fine to me. It was obviously something he said in jest (if Moore had wanted it to seem serious he could have easily had the laughing in reaction taken out), but something that many people feel is actually true of the president. Until we see how it is used in the actual movie (which I know some of you would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to, so I know that's not going to happen) we should reserve judgment as to how Moore is using the clip.

The thing about Moore that I really find interesting is how his movies have that tendency to cause people to make up their minds about the movie and decide what they are trying to say without even seeing them. I've heard enough people rip on Bowling for Columbine for being "anti-gun" and for gun control and whenever I hear or read that, I know I am in the presence of someone who hasn't even actually seen the movie.

[Chrisedge]

I did notice he made a few changes to the trailer. Additional logos at the begining, and I don't remember him having subtitles on the shot of the Saudi through the chain link fence.

I double checked, the titles are only on the new Windows version. Have at it MM bashers. HE CHANGED THE TRAILER, LIES

[Frank TJ Mackey]

i'm there

[Dr. DVD]

Can't wait!

[kcbrett5]

Originally posted by majorjoe23
"Jake Gyllenhall is a fat lefty zealot who blows goats."

Has this been confirmed or is this just another one of Moore's allegations?

[kcbrett5]

Originally posted by Groucho
Wow. Just wow. "I don't agree with Moore's views, and I want him to DIE." Scary stuff...and I thought the poster who said Moore was going to Hell was extreme.

There is no hell. Its like saying "Go to Krypton". It has no meaning. Hell is nothing more than a vulgar fiction invented by religious zealots to scare the population into acting moral and donating more money to the church to save your soul.

[RyoHazuki]

Oh my god, this thread already has enough crap flinging without turning this into a relgious debate.