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fnordboy
06-02-04, 12:37 PM
There is a Pioneer DVD Recorder with an 80gb HD built in that is coming on sale at Costco in July. It is in the latest coupon book they sent out. Unfortunately I do not have it in front of me, but from what I remember they didn't list the model number of the unit and the picture doesn't match any of the ones on the Pioneer website. To make matters worse it is a Costco.com only sale and the website doesn't have any Pioneer items that match the description on it yet.

Does anyone know what model it is? Tonight when I get home I can scan the pic in the coupon book.

If anyone does know what model it is, can you tell me how it is and does the built in HD act like TiVo (comes with basic TiVo with option to upgrade to premium) and if so would it be compatible with DirecTiVo as another box?

Thanks.

fnordboy
06-02-04, 09:26 PM
Well, here is the picture. Maybe one of you will recognize it
http://img72.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fnordboy/pioneer_dvdr.jpg

shelland
06-02-04, 09:56 PM
I saw that same coupon in the book we got tonight. The other half was going to give me cash to put towards a DVD recorder for Father's Day, and this just might be the one!

We typically aren't that impressed by many of the coupons, but this book happened to have quite a few that we were interested in!

fnordboy
06-02-04, 10:06 PM
Agreed! Some good stuff in this book.

Any idea what model that is though? I am clueless on it.

Sdallnct
06-02-04, 10:56 PM
I'm wondering if that is a typo. Pioneer doen't have anything like that at their site and several stores that have a Pioneer DVD recorder w/Tivo are in the $700 range.

fnordboy
06-02-04, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Sdallnct
I'm wondering if that is a typo. Pioneer doen't have anything like that at their site and several stores that have a Pioneer DVD recorder w/Tivo are in the $700 range.
The closest Pioneer I can find on the site that matches this one (specs not looks) is this one:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4139_37530022,00.html
MSRP of $999.

The scan is definitely of a Pioneer.... I thought maybe it was a Panasonic and they typoed...
http://img72.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fnordboy/pioneer_dvdr_close.jpg

EDIT:

Ok Amazon is selling: "Pioneer DVR-510H DVD recorder + 80GB digital video recorder" for $599, so a typical $499 price tag at costco seems possible plus the $100 off. So that might be the player, but with the wrong pic on the coupon. I don't know...

LuisL
06-03-04, 01:21 AM
wow that looks like a good deal. i'm thinking about getting one of these after i move.

meritocracy
06-03-04, 12:43 PM
If it is the Pioneer DVR-510H be aware that there is no TBC for the unit and problems have been reported (AVS Forum/Videohelp.com etc.) when attempting to dub from VHS sources. This possibly could be fixed with the new models they've announced, but if anyone's interested in picking one up they should be aware of this issue. Additionally, no, the 510H does not contain Tivo. Furthermore, the Built-in Tivo DVDR's are basically worthless IMHO as they have disabled any ability to edit from the hard drive before burning.

fnordboy
06-03-04, 03:58 PM
Ok, I got around to calling Costco up today. The model number they gave me for the item (which will be going up on their site within the month) is the Pioneer DVR-420H-S.

I did a little searching around and from what I found on AVSforum this seems to be one of the new models replacing the 510. The only difference I know that it has from the 520 is that it doesn't have FireWire (which kinda sucks, but not a deal breaker for me).

There also seems to be a 420 released in the UK, which I found here : http://www.avland.co.uk/pioneer/dvr420/dvr420.htm

It is the same model pictured in the coupon.

Anyone know any other info about the 420?? And what the "-S" signifies on the end of the model number?

BSTNFAN
06-03-04, 05:32 PM
I believe the "S" means the model is silver as opposed to black.

shelland
06-03-04, 10:51 PM
I believe the "S" means the model is silver as opposed to black.
That is indeed what it meant on my Pioneer DVD player anyway...

fnordboy
06-04-04, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by BSTNFAN
I believe the "S" means the model is silver as opposed to black.
Yeah, duh. I should have realized that :lol:

Thanks.

fnordboy
06-25-04, 10:56 AM
Costco.com now has it listed up on the site:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10043474&whse=&topnav=&cat=4477&hierPath=79*4477*

rkndkn
06-27-04, 12:30 AM
Thanks for pointing this out, fnordboy. I somehow lost my Costco booklet.

I'm seriously going to consider this if the shipping to Hawaii is not that expensive. (Just checked by doing a partial checkout, and shipping was about $47, with $23 tax. Course, the tax will drop with the $100 off during the sale. Doesn't say what method of shipping that is, though.)

Wow, just noticed that the product page says delivery will be about 6 weeks from the time of order -- maybe that will change when it's the sale week.

fnordboy
06-28-04, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by rkndkn
Wow, just noticed that the product page says delivery will be about 6 weeks from the time of order -- maybe that will change when it's the sale week.
I think it will change, I am not sure if this model is *really* out yet. Pioneer is coming out with like 3 or 4 new models, the 420 is one of them, and none of them are on the Pioneer website yet.

I am hoping that it won't take that long to ship, that would suck :(

rkndkn
07-04-04, 11:58 PM
I called Costco, as I wanted to know what the shipping method would be. They couldn't give me that information, as their vendor does the shipping out. Also, the woman's opinion was that they get inundated during sales, so expect the shipping to take LONGER. She didn't seem very sure of anything, however. :rolleyes:

BTW, the Pioneer site has the info for the 520 model up. If you download the manual, you'll find that it's the same manual for the 420 (with notations where necessary for feature differences). One feature the 520 has which isn't on the 420 is a DV in/out jack on the front. (Offhand, I don't remember seeing too many differences between them but can't easily look it up at home on the dial-up. )

fnordboy
07-09-04, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by rkndkn
One feature the 520 has which isn't on the 420 is a DV in/out jack on the front. (Offhand, I don't remember seeing too many differences between them but can't easily look it up at home on the dial-up. )
AFAIK that is the only difference.

Hopefully it won't take forever to ship, I want this recorder ASAP. :(

fnordboy
07-19-04, 11:27 PM
I ordered this tonight, says shipping is 7-10 days. Much better than the 6 weeks it said before. :)

Can't wait.

rkndkn
07-20-04, 01:21 PM
fnordboy,

I'm this close to ordering one, too. :)

fnordboy
07-20-04, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by rkndkn
fnordboy,

I'm this close to ordering one, too. :)
I read through the instruction manual on the Pioneer site (the one for the 520 is for both 420 and 520). That basically cinched it for me, seems to have everything I need in it and for a decent price, couldn't resist after that.

X
07-20-04, 02:48 PM
I had to order one myself. I'll give it a workout with tapes to test the TBC. If it's not good it goes back to Costco.

The main negatives I see are the small hard drive, -R(W) format (no +R(W)) and only optical digital out. It may only have a 2x recording speed with -RW discs and that's not great either.

X
07-24-04, 02:20 AM
I got the thing today but haven't had a chance to play with it.

It does have 4x DVD-RW and 8x DVD-R burning ability.

shelland
07-25-04, 03:14 PM
I've been wavering ever since I got the coupon book in the mail. When push came to shove (the coupon expires today), I just couldn't resist and just place my order. Can't wait to get some stuff off the ol' Tivo! :)

fnordboy
07-25-04, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by X
I got the thing today but haven't had a chance to play with it.

It does have 4x DVD-RW and 8x DVD-R burning ability.
Lucky! Mine won't be here until Monday or Tuesday. :(

shelland
07-25-04, 10:11 PM
I ordered today, and got my email invoice:

"The estimated delivery time will be approximately 8 - 12 weeks from the time of order."

rkndkn
07-26-04, 03:35 AM
I ordered mine on 7/20 and received it on 7/23. (I had to pay for UPS 2nd day since there's no ground shipping to here. ) The order was placed during the 2 - 3 day time frame when the expected delivery was 7 - 10 days (for ground) instead of the 8 weeks and more before and since.

Have done some VHS transfers, burning to DVD -Rs, and timer recordings. Everything's fine so far! :)

fnordboy
07-26-04, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by rkndkn
I ordered mine on 7/20 and received it on 7/23. (I had to pay for UPS 2nd day since there's no ground shipping to here. ) The order was placed during the 2 - 3 day time frame when the expected delivery was 7 - 10 days (for ground) instead of the 8 weeks and more before and since.

Have done some VHS transfers, burning to DVD -Rs, and timer recordings. Everything's fine so far! :)
I had no choice but Ground :( I don't know why either. On the page it said Ground or Air, but there was no place to actually change the shipping options for me (nor for a friend of mine who ordered it in this area too).

Glad to hear that it is working fine. I am a little worried that it won't be all I want it to be. I have some things sitting on my tivo waiting to be transferred over to it the second it comes :)

fnordboy
07-26-04, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by rkndkn
Have done some VHS transfers, burning to DVD -Rs, and timer recordings. Everything's fine so far! :)
How are the editing features on it?

X
07-26-04, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by fnordboy
How are the editing features on it? I'm going to be doing some editing soon so I'll let you know. From what I've seen and what I've read it appears editing is one of its strong suits.

I'm more concerned about its blanking of VHS material which I saw a couple times in a few minutes of tape playing. But then that didn't repeat when I played the same portion of tape again. I've done some large transfers so I'll be looking at that in particular to see if it's a big problem. If it is, back to Costco!

rkndkn
07-26-04, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by fnordboy
How are the editing features on it?

This is my first DVD recorder, so I can't compare it to the ease of use and features of other models. However, I found the editing features quite intuitive. After placing the titles in the "copylist", you can tell it to "erase section" and you mark the beginning and ends of commercial breaks. There is a feature called Frame Accurate which lets you go frame by frame to pick a precise editing point -- avoids the split second of commercial getting by and you can go from commercial fade outs to fade ins very cleanly.

X, I haven't yet seen any blackouts. Have you noticed them while transferring VHS through the composite connection and monitoring the input going to the hd?

fnordboy
07-26-04, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by rkndkn
This is my first DVD recorder, so I can't compare it to the ease of use and features of other models. However, I found the editing features quite intuitive. After placing the titles in the "copylist", you can tell it to "erase section" and mark the beginning and ends of commercial breaks. There is a feature called Frame Accurate which lets you go frame by frame to pick a precise editing point -- avoids the split second of commercial getting by and you can go from commercial fade outs to fade ins very cleanly.
:up: Awesome, this is exactly what I was looking for.

http://www.thorsupport.com/election/smlThorWho2.gif

X
07-26-04, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by rkndkn
This is my first DVD recorder, so I can't compare it to the ease of use and features of other models. However, I found the editing features quite intuitive. After placing the titles in the "copylist", you can tell it to "erase section" and you mark the beginning and ends of commercial breaks. There is a feature called Frame Accurate which lets you go frame by frame to pick a precise editing point -- avoids the split second of commercial getting by and you can go from commercial fade outs to fade ins very cleanly.

X, I haven't yet seen any blackouts. Have you noticed them while transferring VHS through the composite connection and monitoring the input going to the hd? I'm doing the same kind of editing now and am burning it to a DVD-RW to see how it looks.

I took a 6 hour SVHS tape and recorded it in 4 hour/DVD mode. I saw the dropouts on a different tape when I was just monitoring my connections between the tape and recorder. Since then I cleaned the tape head and haven't seen any dropouts with this different tape.

I believe you can do frame-by-frame editing without Frame Accurate on. At least that's what I'm doing and it works ok. The Frame Accurate seems to be more about keeping chapter and edit points exactly where you want them when recording to disc. But you have to record in realtime, not high speed when you use it.

rkndkn
07-26-04, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by X
I believe you can do frame-by-frame editing without Frame Accurate on. At least that's what I'm doing and it works ok. The Frame Accurate seems to be more about keeping chapter and edit points exactly where you want them when recording to disc. But you have to record in realtime, not high speed when you use it.

When I tried with Frame Accurate off, I noticed a slight jump in the point where I was trying to place the edit -- perhaps I should play with it some more. Although I DID use the Frame Accurate ON, my copylist DID record in high speed to the DVD-R (took about 15 minutes to burn 4 hrs. of material in LP mode to Fuji 4X).

X
07-26-04, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by rkndkn
When I tried with Frame Accurate off, I noticed a slight jump in the point where I was trying to place the edit -- perhaps I should play with it some more. Although I DID use the Frame Accurate ON, my copylist DID record in high speed to the DVD-R (took about 15 minutes to burn 4 hrs. of material in LP mode to Fuji 4X). My editing was very accurate with it off but I didn't need extreme precision. On page 102 the manual says "copying some edited Video mode titles will be done in real time" so I guess it varies.

shelland
07-26-04, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by shelland
I ordered today, and got my email invoice:

"The estimated delivery time will be approximately 8 - 12 weeks from the time of order."
So their email lied - got an email today saying it had been shipped. Fastest 8 weeks of my life - seemed more like a day! :D